=== oerheks is now known as Oerheks === JanC is now known as Guest10980 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [06:40] morning all [08:36] morning guys [08:37] hi lotus! how are you today? [08:37] hey ducasse great here, and you? [08:37] ducasse: day off, and round2 of the roof here [08:38] good, thanks. are they finishing the roof today? [08:38] ducasse: yeah the second part [08:39] and no rain today? :) [08:39] ducasse: no, we lucky today is the only sunny one, next week rainy forecast [08:42] lotuspsychje: nice weather here too, blue sky and sunny. [08:43] plan for the day: pay bills :-/ [08:43] lol [08:44] it has to be done, but it's just depressing :) [08:45] yeah, much? [08:45] not more than i can handle, it's just sad to see so much money disappear so fast :) [08:47] ducasse: yeah, you said norway was expensive, does that count for house rent also? [08:48] years ago i recall norway invited foreign ppl to come to live in norway in free houses right? [08:49] can't remember that, but housing costs are pretty expensive. [08:54] ducasse: cant you save money by changing provider/water/electricity etc? [08:54] what [08:54] i wanna move to norway for a free house [08:54] ducasse: we saved like 50% on switching internet provider and cheaper gas/electricity [08:55] lotuspsychje: don't need to, really :) electricity cost isn't that bad. [08:55] my electric bill was $75 last month : / [08:57] Ben64: thats rather good right? [08:57] it's expensive [08:57] housing is cheaper in the us than here, afaik [08:57] only going up from here [08:57] temps rising [09:01] lotuspsychje: another user in #u having problems with ath9k driver on zesty... seems to be common. === JanC is now known as Guest18582 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [09:27] ducasse: hi [09:32] \o [09:33] ducasse: how u doing [09:34] good thanks, and you? [09:45] ducasse: good [10:10] ducasse: yeah had a few wifi issues lately on zesty on different chipsets [10:11] ducasse, Ben64 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2997012/Yours-just-FIVE-PENCE-Norwegian-holiday-home-comes-island-private-beach-stunning-views-need-renovations.html [10:15] !info firefox [10:15] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 53.0+build6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 47104 kB, installed size 111977 kB [10:16] lotuspsychje: lol [10:16] hehe [10:16] lotuspsychje: that is _remote_ :) [10:17] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop [10:17] lotuspsychje: getting materials and equipment to do it up out there is going to cost a fortune in itself [10:17] good news for blueskaj [10:19] kde as default will probably never happen, i think, but it's not really an issue as long as all the flavors exist [10:20] yeah dont think so neither [10:29] im getting this after i installed kubuntu-desktop: https://hastebin.com/uxuxitewan.sql [10:30] sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [10:30] lemme try [10:31] dpkg error [11:02] Howdy folks [11:04] \o wb [11:04] \o [11:05] Hey daftykins, ducasse [11:11] hey daftykins ducasse BluesKaj [11:12] wb EriC^^ :) [11:12] thanks ducasse [11:12] :) [11:12] \o [11:13] Hi EriC^^ [11:55] hey BluesKaj [11:55] BluesKaj: seen this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop [12:34] !info ubuntu-mate-desktop [12:34] ubuntu-mate-desktop (source: ubuntu-mate-meta): Ubuntu MATE - full desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.154.1 (xenial), package size 3 kB, installed size 16 kB [12:54] lotuspsychje: Why would they make Ubuntu run KDE? What is the point in having Kubuntu and Ubuntu if they both run the same stuff. [12:55] I'd rather see a combination of force than doing the same thing in parallel. [12:55] lordievader: its working now, and just testing out stuff here [12:56] never going to happen, but if it did, kubuntu would just cut the 'k' from the name. [12:57] don't think it's gonna happen , too many kde haters out there [13:00] and some of them on the ubuntu council have issues with JR [13:01] is he the guy that was fired as lead? [13:02] ducasse: http://imgur.com/a/Oo1sh [13:02] Yeah, he was pretty much bullied away. [13:03] perhaps a w1ndows rat infiltrated to make ubuntu ugly [13:03] to gain popularity [13:11] the main perp doesn't seem to be around anymore or hr changed his nick ...wish I could recall it, think I'd recognize it if it was listed [13:12] BluesKaj: how are your adventures going on? [13:13] pretended he was a nice person , but he plotted against JR and promoted false accusations against him [13:16] immu: what adventures? [13:17] BluesKaj: i didn't follow that thing at all, just read the news that the lead was asked to resign and a lot of people were unhappy about it. [13:17] distro ones BluesKaj? [13:22] well, I'm on Kubuntu 17.04 atm and have Debian Stetch on another partition...tried fedora 25 gnome 3.22on the laptop, very smooth on default Wayland, but gnome is gnome so I dumped it [13:23] did you try neon kde ? BluesKaj [13:24] yeah a few months ago, but it wasn't anything special in my estimation [13:25] its based on LTS so nope for me to . blur [13:25] there's lot of arch type hype around neon, but it didn't do much for me...your experience may be different tho [13:25] BluesKaj: [13:28] what are you thoughts on manjaro kde . BluesKaj [13:30] manjaro - "arch done the wrong way" [13:31] ducasse: why so? and what do you use as your prefered distro? [13:31] immu: I have opnion about manjaro...haven't tried it [13:31] no opinion [13:33] immu: it's arch set up so the user "shouldn't" need to understand what's going on underneath, which contradicts the entire point of arch [13:34] is kubuntu still a official flavour of Ubuntu [13:34] !flavors [13:34] Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [13:37] i am always gravitated towards ubuntu [13:37] yeah once you've installed arch via the shell , then you have just an ordinary OS which doesn't really do anything much different than other OSs. it's a competent OS there's no doubt , but after all the work to install it I'm left with the conclusion , ok now what? is that all there is? :-) [13:39] you sort of assemble it piece by piece to do whatever you want it to do :) [13:39] Ok ducasse BluesKaj but as said i am always gravitated towards Ubuntu, no matter distro, it works so well for me [13:43] i use ubuntu on everything except my desktop, it works well on pretty much anything [13:43] ducasse: why not on desktop, because of unity? [13:44] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-release-date [13:46] immu: i need very recent versions of certain packages, and i need to self-build a number of things. i also like knowing exactly how everything is configured. [14:15] brb [14:53] BluesKaj: back [14:55] its so quite in here? [15:12] immu: it's almost always quiet in here [15:13] nautilus tells me I have 322.1 GB free, but my indicator applet in the menu bar only says 299.94GB.... hmmm... [15:19] gigabyte vs gibibyte [15:20] huh [15:20] what's a gibibyte [15:20] am I missing a joke? [15:20] https://techterms.com/definition/gibibyte [15:21] those terms really sound stupid [15:21] 322 gigabyte = 299.88586902603 gibibyte [15:22] what [15:22] the [15:22] actual [15:22] crap [15:23] when you buy a disk, the size is actually specified in gibibytes. saves the manufacturers money and makes your disk smaller than what you though you were getting. [15:23] why does my indicator applet use a different unit of measurement than the rest of my machine? [15:25] it's silly, but that's how sad things are now. [15:25] they should make 1 unit for it [15:26] SI is bibyte right? [15:26] yes, they made that 'the standard'. [15:31] it can get pretty confusing, especially in linux tools [15:31] parted is in GB, df in GiB, etc [15:32] "si - because idiots don't know how to multiply by 1024." ;) [15:33] isn't it the opposite? [15:33] 1 kebibyte is 1024bytes , and 1 kilobyte 1000bytes? [15:34] _now_, yes, but a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes for all of my life. [17:58] hi pauljw [17:58] hey EriC^^ :) [23:36] Any ideas what's the point of the new ubuntu server installer? What was wrong with the debian text mode installer? [23:37] oh they ruined that now too? oh dear [23:37] if it's on 17.xx releases then it's moot, LTS all the way [23:38] No, but seriously, I thought Unity was lessons learned in the NIH no-no. I guess learning is hard. [23:39] was anything wrong with the debian installer? [23:41] i suppose only the mandatory DHCP attempt approach grated with me over the years [23:42] that's easily fixable [23:43] well, changed... fix implies there's a flaw [23:43] anywho, not seen what the new take is [23:43] here's a preview: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install [23:43] ta [23:48] yep that looks like reinventing the wheel [23:49] I think it's a poor naming choice. [23:49] sub-iquity... [23:50] heh i wasn't sure if it was a legit name or the guy was claiming it as the inferior version of ubiquity ;D [23:50] It's apparently legit. [23:51] I will add that dash whenever I reference it until someone gets the clue. :D [23:54] subnihquity :)