[06:40] <ducasse> morning all
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[08:37] <ducasse> hi lotus! how are you today?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse great here, and you?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: day off, and round2 of the roof here
[08:38] <ducasse> good, thanks. are they finishing the roof today?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah the second part
[08:39] <ducasse> and no rain today? :)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, we lucky today is the only sunny one, next week rainy forecast
[08:42] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: nice weather here too, blue sky and sunny.
[08:43] <ducasse> plan for the day: pay bills :-/
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:44] <ducasse> it has to be done, but it's just depressing :)
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah, much?
[08:45] <ducasse> not more than i can handle, it's just sad to see so much money disappear so fast :)
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah, you said norway was expensive, does that count for house rent also?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> years ago i recall norway invited foreign ppl to come to live in norway in free houses right?
[08:49] <ducasse> can't remember that, but housing costs are pretty expensive.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cant you save money by changing provider/water/electricity etc?
[08:54] <Ben64> what
[08:54] <Ben64> i wanna move to norway for a free house
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: we saved like 50% on switching internet provider and cheaper gas/electricity
[08:55] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: don't need to, really :) electricity cost isn't that bad.
[08:55] <Ben64> my electric bill was $75 last month : /
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: thats rather good right?
[08:57] <Ben64> it's expensive
[08:57] <ducasse> housing is cheaper in the us than here, afaik
[08:57] <Ben64> only going up from here
[08:57] <Ben64> temps rising
[09:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: another user in #u having problems with ath9k driver on zesty... seems to be common.
[09:27] <immu> ducasse: hi
[09:32] <ducasse> \o
[09:33] <immu> ducasse: how u doing
[09:34] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[09:45] <immu> ducasse: good
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah had a few wifi issues lately on zesty on different chipsets
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> ducasse, Ben64 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2997012/Yours-just-FIVE-PENCE-Norwegian-holiday-home-comes-island-private-beach-stunning-views-need-renovations.html
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[10:16] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: lol
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:16] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that is _remote_ :)
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop
[10:17] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: getting materials and equipment to do it up out there is going to cost a fortune in itself
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> good news for blueskaj
[10:19] <ducasse> kde as default will probably never happen, i think, but it's not really an issue as long as all the flavors exist
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah dont think so neither
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> im getting this after i installed kubuntu-desktop: https://hastebin.com/uxuxitewan.sql
[10:30] <ducasse> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> lemme try
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> dpkg error
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:04] <daftykins> \o wb
[11:04] <ducasse> \o
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey daftykins, ducasse
[11:11] <EriC^^> hey daftykins ducasse BluesKaj
[11:12] <ducasse> wb EriC^^ :)
[11:12] <EriC^^> thanks ducasse
[11:12] <EriC^^> :)
[11:12] <daftykins> \o
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: seen this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/petition-kde-plasma-ubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-mate-desktop
[12:54] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Why would they make Ubuntu run KDE? What is the point in having Kubuntu and Ubuntu if they both run the same stuff.
[12:55] <lordievader> I'd rather see a combination of force than doing the same thing in parallel.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: its working now, and just testing out stuff here
[12:56] <ducasse> never going to happen, but if it did, kubuntu would just cut the 'k' from the name.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> don't think it's gonna happen , too many kde haters out there
[13:00] <BluesKaj> and some of them on the ubuntu council have issues with JR
[13:01] <ducasse> is he the guy that was fired as lead?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://imgur.com/a/Oo1sh
[13:02] <lordievader> Yeah, he was pretty much bullied away.
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> perhaps a w1ndows rat infiltrated to make ubuntu ugly
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> to gain popularity
[13:11] <BluesKaj> the main perp doesn't seem to be around anymore or hr changed his nick ...wish I could recall it, think I'd recognize it if it was listed
[13:12] <immu> BluesKaj: how are your adventures going on?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> pretended he was a nice person , but he plotted against JR and promoted false accusations against him
[13:16] <BluesKaj> immu:  what adventures?
[13:17] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i didn't follow that thing at all, just read the news that the lead was asked to resign and a lot of people were unhappy about it.
[13:17] <immu> distro ones BluesKaj?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> well, I'm on Kubuntu 17.04 atm and have Debian Stetch on another partition...tried fedora 25 gnome 3.22on the laptop,  very smooth on default Wayland, but gnome is gnome so I dumped it
[13:23] <immu> did you try neon kde ? BluesKaj
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yeah a few months ago, but it wasn't anything special in my estimation
[13:25] <immu> its based on LTS so nope for me to . blur
[13:25] <BluesKaj> there's lot of arch type hype around neon, but it didn't do much for me...your experience may be different tho
[13:25] <immu> BluesKaj:
[13:28] <immu> what are you thoughts on manjaro kde . BluesKaj
[13:30] <ducasse> manjaro - "arch done the wrong way"
[13:31] <immu> ducasse: why so? and what do you use as your prefered distro?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> immu:  I have opnion about manjaro...haven't tried it
[13:31] <BluesKaj> no opinion
[13:33] <ducasse> immu: it's arch set up so the user "shouldn't" need to understand what's going on underneath, which contradicts the entire point of arch
[13:34] <immu> is kubuntu still a official flavour of Ubuntu
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[13:37] <immu> i am always gravitated towards ubuntu
[13:37] <BluesKaj> yeah once you've installed arch via the shell , then you have just an ordinary OS which doesn't really do anything much different than other OSs. it's a competent OS there's no doubt , but after all the work to install it I'm left with the conclusion , ok now what? is that all there is?  :-)
[13:39] <ducasse> you sort of assemble it piece by piece to do whatever you want it to do :)
[13:39] <immu> Ok ducasse BluesKaj but as said i am always gravitated towards Ubuntu, no matter distro, it works so well for me
[13:43] <ducasse> i use ubuntu on everything except my desktop, it works well on pretty much anything
[13:43] <immu> ducasse:  why not on desktop, because of unity?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-release-date
[13:46] <ducasse> immu: i need very recent versions of certain packages, and i need to self-build a number of things. i also like knowing exactly how everything is configured.
[14:15] <immu> brb
[14:53] <immu> BluesKaj: back
[14:55] <immu> its so quite in here?
[15:12] <nicomachus> immu: it's almost always quiet in here
[15:13] <nicomachus> nautilus tells me I have 322.1 GB free, but my indicator applet in the menu bar only says 299.94GB.... hmmm...
[15:19] <ducasse> gigabyte vs gibibyte
[15:20] <nicomachus> huh
[15:20] <nicomachus> what's a gibibyte
[15:20] <nicomachus> am I missing a joke?
[15:20] <ducasse> https://techterms.com/definition/gibibyte
[15:21] <EriC^^> those terms really sound stupid
[15:21] <ducasse> 322 gigabyte = 299.88586902603 gibibyte
[15:22] <nicomachus> what
[15:22] <nicomachus> the
[15:22] <nicomachus> actual
[15:22] <nicomachus> crap
[15:23] <ducasse> when you buy a disk, the size is actually specified in gibibytes. saves the manufacturers money and makes your disk smaller than what you though you were getting.
[15:23] <nicomachus> why does my indicator applet use a different unit of measurement than the rest of my machine?
[15:25] <ducasse> it's silly, but that's how sad things are now.
[15:25] <EriC^^> they should make 1 unit for it
[15:26] <EriC^^> SI is bibyte right?
[15:26] <ducasse> yes, they made that 'the standard'.
[15:31] <EriC^^> it can get pretty confusing, especially in linux tools
[15:31] <EriC^^> parted is in GB, df in GiB, etc
[15:32] <ducasse> "si - because idiots don't know how to multiply by 1024." ;)
[15:33] <EriC^^> isn't it the opposite?
[15:33] <EriC^^> 1 kebibyte is 1024bytes , and 1 kilobyte 1000bytes?
[15:34] <ducasse> _now_, yes, but a kilobyte has been 1024 bytes for all of my life.
[17:58] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[17:58] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ :)
[23:36] <blackflow> Any ideas what's the point of the new ubuntu server installer? What was wrong with the debian text mode installer?
[23:37] <daftykins> oh they ruined that now too? oh dear
[23:37] <daftykins> if it's on 17.xx releases then it's moot, LTS all the way
[23:38] <blackflow> No, but seriously, I thought Unity was lessons learned in the NIH no-no. I guess learning is hard.
[23:39] <blackflow> was anything wrong with the debian installer?
[23:41] <daftykins> i suppose only the mandatory DHCP attempt approach grated with me over the years
[23:42] <blackflow> that's easily fixable
[23:43] <daftykins> well, changed... fix implies there's a flaw
[23:43] <daftykins> anywho, not seen what the new take is
[23:43] <blackflow> here's a preview: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install
[23:43] <daftykins> ta
[23:48] <daftykins> yep that looks like reinventing the wheel
[23:49] <tsimonq2> I think it's a poor naming choice.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> sub-iquity...
[23:50] <daftykins> heh i wasn't sure if it was a legit name or the guy was claiming it as the inferior version of ubiquity ;D
[23:50] <tsimonq2> It's apparently legit.
[23:51] <tsimonq2> I will add that dash whenever I reference it until someone gets the clue. :D
[23:54] <blackflow> subnihquity :)