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| alan_g | alan_g_ | 09:18 |
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| Son_Goku | alan_g: hey | 11:11 |
| alan_g | ? | 11:11 |
| Son_Goku | so I'm once again trying to bring Mir up on Fedora | 11:11 |
| Son_Goku | interestingly, the biggest problem now is that it can't find capnproto | 11:11 |
| Son_Goku | apparently, there's a Debian-specific change that you guys are depending on (Debian added CMake things to the autotools build, but different ones from what upstream Provides) | 11:12 |
| Son_Goku | the Fedora package only has pkgconfig stuff | 11:12 |
| Son_Goku | I also found out I can't build patched libinput and mesa for Fedora 26, since the patches don't work on libinput 1.7.0 and Mesa 17 | 11:12 |
| alan_g | Son_Goku: that's interesting, but I'm not really set up to investigate that | 11:13 |
| Son_Goku | I figured, but since you were interested a few weeks ago, I figured I might as well tell you now | 11:13 |
| anpok_ | Son_Goku: I thought about changing mir to not require those additional symbols... should be simple change.. I think about proposing that this weekend.. | 11:14 |
| Son_Goku | anpok_: that'd be great | 11:15 |
| alan_g | Son_Goku: yes, I'd like to know and can help if (for example) you can put together a PR | 11:15 |
| Son_Goku | alan_g: I'm already investigating how to fix gmock, since it can't find it on Fedora | 11:15 |
| alan_g | Son_Goku: I just put up an MP to use cmake-extras for finding it | 11:16 |
| anpok_ | also I have seen Marius is working on a wayland backend platform driver.. wl client support will be way more work | 11:16 |
| alan_g | (dunno if that works on fedora) | 11:16 |
| Son_Goku | that would be very cool | 11:16 |
| anpok_ | but I guess more important than the other changes | 11:16 |
| Son_Goku | alan_g: cmake-extras, as in CMake's own FindGTest.cmake? | 11:17 |
| Son_Goku | because if so, then yes, that helps a lot | 11:17 |
| alan_g | Well FindGMock | 11:17 |
| Son_Goku | right | 11:17 |
| Son_Goku | we offer the compiled library, since Google Mock guys lifted that silly requirement to only do sources quite a while back | 11:17 |
| Son_Goku | at least two years ago, I think | 11:18 |
| alan_g | Yeah, I just noticed a couple of days ago | 11:18 |
| Son_Goku | it took a while to convince juliank the same thing, and then we fixed it for apt | 11:19 |
| Son_Goku | so apt now builds on Fedora too :P | 11:19 |
| Son_Goku | apparently, the only platform where the "only sources" thing matters is Windows :) | 11:20 |
| Son_Goku | because compilers have vastly different ABIs there | 11:20 |
| Son_Goku | ah, I see Android support is toast now | 11:21 |
| Son_Goku | that will simplify things in my spec file | 11:21 |
| alan_g | Yeah, even between compiler options on Windows | 11:21 |
| Son_Goku | yeah... | 11:21 |
| * Son_Goku shudders | 11:22 | |
| Son_Goku | I'm part of a game development project, so I'm keenly aware of how broken the Windows platform is | 11:22 |
| Son_Goku | people there have Stockholm Syndrome about the Windows development environment :/ | 11:22 |
| Son_Goku | they don't realize it can be better | 11:22 |
| alan_g | *I* made money out of Windows for years, but it was horrid to work on | 11:22 |
| Son_Goku | yeah | 11:23 |
| Son_Goku | the only reason people endure it is because the Linux Desktop hasn't taken off yet :( | 11:23 |
| Son_Goku | ONE DAY!!! :D | 11:23 |
| * alan_g is hoping never to go back | 11:23 | |
| * Son_Goku is hoping the same | 11:23 | |
| Son_Goku | the job I had before my current one, I had to develop for embedded systems from Windows | 11:24 |
| Son_Goku | that's a whole new level of pain | 11:24 |
| Son_Goku | there was no technical reason I couldn't do it from Linux, I was just forbidden to because "we already paid for the Windows licenses, so we should use them" (their words) | 11:24 |
| anpok_ | in a few weeks I will probably work for a linux based product.. but I fear the development systems will all run windows.. | 11:25 |
| * alan_g shuts out the bad memories | 11:25 | |
| Son_Goku | anpok_: you're leaving Canonical? | 11:25 |
| anpok_ | yes | 11:25 |
| alan_g | anpok_: at least on Windows 10 you'll have "Bash for Windows" | 11:25 |
| Son_Goku | alan_g: it's a very poor substitute | 11:25 |
| Son_Goku | most things are subtly broken in horrifying ways | 11:26 |
| alan_g | Better than cygwin | 11:26 |
| Son_Goku | ironically, no | 11:26 |
| alan_g | Really? | 11:26 |
| Son_Goku | while performance is certainly better, Cygwin preserves Linux primitives better | 11:26 |
| Son_Goku | Windows things bleed into LXSS and cause odd issues | 11:26 |
| alan_g | But it could never do fork() right | 11:27 |
| Son_Goku | well, technically, now Cygwin could do fork() correctly | 11:27 |
| Son_Goku | since there's a brand new syscall to do it | 11:27 |
| alan_g | Thanks for the warning | 11:28 |
| Son_Goku | alan_g: one fun issue: the text encoding of paths was messed up :( | 11:40 |
| Son_Goku | I went NUTS trying to figure out what was wrong in an app built and running in LXSS, and when it came to that, I was rather upset | 11:40 |
| alan_g | I remember having problems with paths in cygwin - it worked except when it didn't | 11:41 |
| Son_Goku | path literals were always screwy in cygwin in the old days | 11:41 |
| Son_Goku | but latest versions don't seem to have issues | 11:41 |
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