[03:11] <francisk> is there a way to change the color of the color and appearance of the kde system bar
[03:11] <francisk>  is there a way to change the color and appearance of the kde system bar
[05:10] <valorie> wow, such patience
[06:33] <sebastian_> a
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:38] <walter__> hello i have a probloem
[07:38] <walter__> problem
[07:41] <walter__> if i play minecraft my desktop is often freeze and then show The graphical interface has been restarted
[07:42] <valorie> hi walter
[07:43] <walter__> hi sorry for my bad english
[07:43] <valorie> can you start the game from the commandline, so you can see the output?
[07:43] <walter__> ok how i do this
[07:43] <walter__> command
[07:44] <valorie> usually just like "minecraft &"
[07:44] <valorie> in a konsole
[07:45] <walter__> [3] 4689
[07:45] <walter__> [2]   Exit 127                minecraft
[07:45] <valorie> wow, not very helpful
[07:46] <walter__> yes
[07:46] <valorie> how did you install the game?
[07:47] <walter__> there is not probleme with game they are problems with that sometimes its freeze and then works i think it a problem with my  graphical interface
[07:47] <valorie> hmm, looks like Ubuntu has "minetest" in the archive
[07:48] <walter__> wait
[07:48] <valorie> does anything else freeze your computer?
[07:48] <walter__> yes
[07:48] <walter__> how send pictures
[07:48] <walter__> here
[07:48] <valorie> ah, so it isn't a problem with the game
[07:48] <valorie> !paste
[07:48] <walter__> thx
[07:50] <walter__> http://imgur.com/a/lAzPA the problem is in the bottom
[07:50] <walter__> right
[07:51] <walter__> Work area effects have been restarted due to the reset graphic
[07:51] <valorie> yeah
[07:52] <valorie> I've not seen something like that before, but it is definately in kwin, because it says so
[07:52] <valorie> kwin is part of plasma, so I would ask about this in #plasma
[07:53] <valorie> most of the developers are in Germany, and it's the weekend, so it might be pretty slow
[07:54] <valorie> or, you could post on the KDE forum
[07:54] <walter__> thanks
[07:54]  * valorie is about to head to bed too
[07:54] <valorie> sorry I could not help, walter__
[07:54] <valorie> best of luck!
[07:55] <walter__> you have tried that's very friendly
[08:24] <shane_> hey
[08:41] <walter__> hi
[08:58] <soleil> hi
[09:07] <acheronUK> !ask
[09:44] <mattpalermo> Hello all!
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[09:47] <mattpalermo> :)
[09:47] <mattpalermo> valorie: Are you here today? I have a question about accessability and I saw that you have a blog post about KDE accessability.
[09:49] <acheronUK> will be about 2 or 3 am where valorie is I think
[09:49] <mattpalermo> Ah ok. Well she is probably asleep then.
[09:50] <mattpalermo> A blind person came on here the other day asking for help with Kubuntu. It was then that I realised how difficult it is to use without sight.
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:19] <mattpalermo> Hello!
[14:54] <ThePCMedicInIA> I have just recently switched from the GNOME3 desktop environment to the KDE/Plasma de as well as upgraded from 16.10 to 17.04.  The Wikipedia entry for Kubuntu states: "If "Desktop effects" are desired, a supported GPU is required."
[14:55] <ThePCMedicInIA> My system has an NVIDIA GT 218 (GeForce 210) graphics card.  Is its GPU still supported?
[14:56] <DarinMiller_> Hi ThePCMedicInIA
[14:58] <DarinMiller_> I recommend installing NVidia's proprietary driver.  The Driver Manager in System Settings should detect the correct driver.
[14:59] <DarinMiller_> ThePCMedicInIA: If Driver Manager fails to detect the driver, install the driver from the terminal: sudo apt install nvidia-340
[14:59] <ThePCMedicInIA> That makes sense to me as well.  And immediately after installaton, when that was recommended that is what I did.  But it caused so many issues with the desktop environment's behavior that I tried switching back to the generic driver as an experimentr. And the problems went away
[15:00] <ThePCMedicInIA> Now the:  What would that lead you to think?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ThePCMedicInIA:  yes i have the same card, it uses the nvidia-340 driver as DarinMiller_ states
[15:02] <ThePCMedicInIA> Also:  The question that I asked was:  Is the GPU used by NVIDIA's GeForce210 card series still supported by this latest iteration of Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[15:02] <BluesKaj> yes as a legacy driver
[15:02] <BluesKaj> works fine here
[15:03] <ThePCMedicInIA> OK.  So I think the answer to my original question is Yes.  It is still supported in 17.04 AND that the optimal driver to use is the one provided by NVIDIA.  Correct?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> yes it will be listed in system settings>driver  manager
[15:05] <DarinMiller_> BluesKaj: you have not issues with 17.04, NVidia 210 and the 340 drivers?  My issues was km-server crashes when resuming from sleep.
[15:05] <ThePCMedicInIA> But that begs one last question:  The driver updater provides a choice between 2 NVIDIA provided drivers.  Of those, should I choose the 'Legacy' driver or the 'Latest and Greatest' driver?  Or should I just try one and if it doesn't work that great use the other?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller_:  no issues here, but I use suspend
[15:06] <DarinMiller_> suspend = sleep, yes?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> what's the latest-greatest driver, ThePCMedicInIA?
[15:07] <ThePCMedicInIA> Honestly, I don't remember.  It is the one 'recommended' by the driver manager
[15:08] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller_:  suspend or hibernate in the kmenu/leave option , i use suspend
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ThePCMedicInIA:  hang on let me check , this might take a few mins
[15:09] <ThePCMedicInIA> Sorry BluesKaj, what are you talking about?  I do not know that much about the KDE/Plasma environment
[15:10] <DarinMiller_> ThePCMedicInIA: Normally is use the recommended driver (340) but with recent releases, I had to revert to using the 304 driver.  But BluesKaj is successfully using the 340 driver with the 210 card.
[15:11] <DarinMiller_> BluesKaj:  Did you enable the Nvidia ppa?  I had trouble with my older hw with and without the ppa on the 340 driver using, thus I used the 304.
[15:11] <ThePCMedicInIA> OK DarinMiller!  I'm going to switch to the 304 driver then since the 340 caused my system issues before
[15:12] <ThePCMedicInIA> Thank for your help and recommendations.  I'll see you again soon I suspect
[15:13] <DarinMiller_> Heading out for the day (bathroom remodel time).  TTYAL.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ok back on kubuntu...been trying out debian in a dul boot and sometimes I orget where I am :-)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> and forget how to spell
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok DarinMiller_ have  fun :-0
[15:21] <weastie> Hey!
[15:23] <weastie> I'm on the newest version of kubuntu. Whenever I enter in a video game (cs:go or dota) the rest of my desktop fucks up. Like, if I switch workspaces while in the game.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> weastie:  workspaces like actitvities?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> weastie:  and no "f" words please, not necessary
[19:10] <sputnik0> hello, I have a question: On Kubuntu 17.04 I can't get palm detection to work, the options for it are greyed out. Does this have anything to do with Kubuntu using libinput and not synaptics?
[19:16] <dajomu1> Hi, have anyone successfully installed mariadb on kubuntu 17.04
[19:41] <dajomu1> anyone here? cannot see any conversation
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[19:43] <valorie> dajomu1: this is a help channel
[19:43] <valorie> do you need help with something?
[19:43] <valorie> hi acheronUK
[19:44] <dajomu1> valorie: yes, I need help with a mariadb installation/conf
[19:44] <valorie> uh
[19:44] <valorie> well, ask, it's possible I can help
[19:44] <dajomu1> valorie: Please have a look at the following output.
[19:44] <dajomu1> sudo systemctl enable mysql
[19:44] <dajomu1> Synchronizing state of mysql.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
[19:44] <dajomu1> Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable mysql
[19:44] <dajomu1> Failed to enable unit: Refusing to operate on linked unit file mysql.service
[19:45] <dajomu1> I want digikam to use mariadb, but this is stopping me
[19:45] <valorie> if you want to use mariadb, why are you enabling mysql instead?
[19:46] <dajomu1> I followed an installation instruction
[19:47] <dajomu1> https://websiteforstudents.com/wordpress-beginners-installing-mariadb-ubuntu-17-04/
[19:48] <valorie> have you uninstalled mysql?
[19:48] <dajomu1> I do not have mysql installed
[19:49] <valorie> ok
[19:49] <valorie> having not done this myself, I don't have any special insight
[19:50] <dajomu1> I installed mariadb, but since it is kinda based on mysql I believe it uses "mysql" in order to work with programs that expects mysql
[19:50] <valorie> so: you can ask this in #ubuntu, where there are a lot more people
[19:50] <valorie> dajomu1: correct
[19:50] <dajomu1> I tried that, but no response so far
[19:50] <valorie> as the tutorial says, one should be able to just drop it in
[19:50] <valorie> ah
[19:50] <valorie> the other suggestion is to try #digikam
[19:51] <valorie> that will be a much smaller channel though
[19:52] <dajomu1> valorie: #digikam sent me to ubuntu as well :)
[19:52] <valorie> this isn't really a kubuntu question
[19:52] <valorie> ha
[19:52] <valorie> well, it's a huge channel, and is your best bet
[19:53] <valorie> I suggest using a pastebin for your error messages though
[19:53] <valorie> !paste
[19:53] <valorie> err, output
[19:54] <dajomu1> I was expecting someone at #Kubuntu was using digikam/maridb and that they would face the same issue. Especially since I have a fresh installation
[19:54] <valorie> one thing - when initializing mysql, I used return rather than a password
[19:54] <valorie> this was for amarok
[19:54] <dajomu1> I do not think that is the issue
[19:55] <valorie> well, mariadb was quite popular for awhile
[19:55] <dajomu1> not anymore?
[19:55] <valorie> seems like people don't care as much these days
[19:55] <dajomu1> maybe I should try to install mysql then
[19:56] <valorie> for awhile it seemed like database wars
[19:56] <valorie> nosql, etc.
[19:56] <dajomu1> yeah
[19:56] <dajomu1> I really don't care either. I just want things to work
[19:56] <valorie> same here
[19:57] <dajomu1> I installed Picasa on my windows PC and it just works. I do not have to worry about DBs
[19:58] <valorie> is picasa still a thing?
[19:58] <valorie> I thought they replaced it with the rather horrible google photos
[19:59] <valorie> which also works, but not enjoyably
[19:59] <dajomu1> you can still use it on the desktop, but there is no integration with google photos
[19:59] <valorie> I've used it in linux, but that was quite awhile ago
[20:00] <dajomu1> Since Google is ditching it I am trying to replace it with digikam, but I have having to mess with DBs and linux issues
[20:00] <dajomu1> I have = I hate
[20:01] <valorie> well, digikam has lots of loyal users who love it
[20:01] <valorie> I've not taken the time to organize my photos
[20:01] <dajomu1> too bad
[20:01] <valorie> really should....
[20:01] <dajomu1> yeah. I tried the google photos way, but found out that it just too messy
[20:01] <valorie> I've set up digikam but had no problem with a db
[20:02] <valorie> it just worked
[20:02] <dajomu1> It worked for me on earlier distros, but not anymore
[20:02] <valorie> hmmmm
[20:02]  * valorie installs
[20:03] <dajomu1> I found an old bug on fedora which I have to study a bit more. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1014311
[20:03] <dajomu1> ubottu: just beat you by a nanosec :)
[20:03] <dajomu1> ohh
[20:06] <valorie>  is there some reason you didn't want to use Sqlite?
[20:06] <valorie> that's the default
[20:09] <dajomu1> Sqlite tends to slow down when you have a large collection.
[20:09] <dajomu1> I am not too updated, but I think >100k items and it starts to slow down
[20:10] <dajomu1> items includes tags, metadata, etc
[20:10] <valorie> ok
[20:36] <chucky35768> bye bye
[20:42] <laceja> I'm trying to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, using muon updater but, it keeps crashing.  There's nothing reason given in the error message.  I've insured everything is up to date. Help!
[20:47] <acheronUK> 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrades are advised against
[20:48] <acheronUK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[20:48] <acheronUK> "Upgrade from the 14.04 LTS is still problematic. Please install a fresh copy of 16.04.2 after running a backup of all your data. "
[20:48] <petro> polari, do you know it?
[20:50] <laceja> No. is there a website?
[20:50] <petro> can anyone help me with a vpn problem?
[21:58] <amundsen> hi
[21:59] <amundsen> i'm trying to use amule in kubuntu 17.04 but it crashes when opening
[21:59] <amundsen> does anyone know how to solve this?
[22:04] <valorie> huh, amule
[22:04] <valorie> !info amule
[22:05] <valorie> amundsen: open it in the commandline, and see if the output gives you some clue
[22:05] <valorie> that isn't Kubuntu software
[22:05] <valorie> haven't heard about it for yonks
[22:05] <acheronUK> amazed it still exists!
[22:06] <amundsen> it's very useful when you can't find something in torrent networks
[22:06] <sputnik0> Hello
[22:08] <sputnik0> Question: I'm using kubuntu on a Dell XPS13 and can't seem to get palm detection to work. Searching online has led me to believe this is due to libinput being used and the gui not supporting all the features yet
[22:08] <sputnik0> Does anyone know where the libinput configs are kept on Kubuntu 17.04?
[22:09] <valorie> configs are in ~/.config
[22:09] <valorie> or possibly ~/.local
[22:09] <sputnik0> Cool thanks, checking it out now
[22:22] <sinthetek> I need to know how to enable netbook workspaces in kubuntu 17.04. Not seeing the option anywhere in system-settings
[22:24] <sinthetek> seems like google searches are becoming less and less relevant as time progresses for some reason... i used to be able to quickly find solutions to all of my problems and questions within a couple of minutes
[22:25] <sputnik0> the problem is with everyone trying to "game the system". SEO breaks relevance imho.
[22:27] <acheronUK> sinthetek: netbook plasma shell was dropped by KDE in plasma 5. no longer exists
[22:30] <sinthetek> sputnik0: i'd be inclined to agree except that most of the first results still point to official project pages. if you include the google itself as one of those gamers then yeah, you're prob right. i think it disregards how many keywords are present in a given page when sorting results or something
[22:30] <sinthetek> prob to make the algorithm faster or something
[22:31] <sinthetek> acheronUK: ahh yeah, i guess that would explain why i can't find much on it then. thanks
[22:34] <valorie> sinthetek: if you right-click the plasma menu button, you can try out the alternates
[22:34] <valorie> one of them is much like netbook used to be
[22:35] <valorie> everything is touch-ready now, so there really wasn't a need for it anymore
[22:46] <sinthetek> valorie: my kde vocab is a bit rusty. is that the menu button in the top right corner? would the shells/layouts be listed under 'activities'?
[22:48] <valorie> uh, my button is in the bottom left, but you can put the panel where ever you want
[22:48] <valorie> and put the icons where ever you want
[22:49] <valorie> plasma symbol is like stacked dots and >
[22:50] <valorie> anyway, right-click and one of your options will be Alternatives
[22:50] <sinthetek> ahh okay, i think it was called something else last i used kde on the reg (but maybe i'm just off)
[22:51] <valorie> right, it used to be the K
[22:51] <valorie> since the branding has changed, now it uses the Plasma logo
[22:51] <valorie> KDE is the community
[22:51] <valorie> long time ago I think we used to put our Kubuntu logo there
 lonnnngggg ago lol
[23:15] <valorie> yup, before I was part of the team