[03:59] good morning to all [04:04] hey EriC^^ Bashing-om Ben64 [04:04] hey lotuspsychje [04:05] how's it going? [04:05] great here [04:05] installing different flavors [04:05] but nothing suits me :p [04:05] gnome,plasma,mate [04:06] lotuspsychje: Been a good day here in main . active and interesting :) [04:06] :D [04:07] lotuspsychje: " nothing suits me ' when all else fails . KISS -> xfce . [04:08] Bashing-om: well for me, i like xubuntu but for my customers i need something little more eyecandy and intuitive [04:09] unity [04:09] lotuspsychje: KDE for eye candy .. huh ? [04:10] EriC^^: yes! [04:10] Bashing-om: lags to much here on an ssd... [04:12] lotuspsychje: SSD here if finally performing well . But I must say it is but marginally faster than a core install on a spinner . [04:15] Bashing-om: nice to hear! what did you think solved it? [04:17] ARA errors . setting nuios raid enabled ( AHCI ) ; system puking all over it's self I will say is the nouveau driver . [04:17] ATA* [04:18] kk [04:19] lotuspsychje: I have begun to uncross My fingers . system seems stable ! [04:24] !yay [04:24] Glad you made it! :-) [04:27] lotuspsychje: Only 6 months efforts by all parties concerned !! [04:34] morning baizon [04:34] hi lotuspsychje [04:34] well that was a short trip for me :D [05:13] ... will install kubuntu today :D [05:16] baizon: was horrible for me :p [05:16] baizon: tested gnome,plasma,mate.. [05:17] im on manjaro right now, but i dislike the update-policy [05:17] there its... when the dev is in the mood to upgrade, hes making it :) [05:20] lotuspsychje: hey [05:21] damn amazon, i have to wait for my new cpu :( [05:24] grrr [05:25] !cve [05:25] baizon: out of stock or delivery lags? [05:25] out of stock [05:25] 1 month waiting time [05:27] what cpu [05:27] Ben64: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X [05:28] good, was gonna be disappointed if you got a non-ryzen [05:28] for only 235€ [05:28] :) [05:29] ~204.17€ here [05:31] jesus [05:31] they sold out so much or something? [05:32] i guess [05:36] ok, im out installing kubuntu 17.04. Wish me luck :D [05:42] the ubuntu server got real slow for me [05:43] it's at 89% , do you think i should just close it and start again? aria2c would continue? [05:44] aria2c continues if it can [05:44] not all servers support it [05:44] i think it's ubuntu's server, it took forever to load the main page rightnow [05:45] or my connection maybe? [05:45] san fran had a big power outage [05:45] could be affecting internet stuff [05:50] hmm i tried another d/l to see how it would go, and it opened another terminal d/l the same 89% together [05:50] didn't know it would do that, i wonder if it will work together correctly, the 2 are d/ling simultaneously right now [06:08] morning ducasse [06:09] wont take long for wakeup tea now :p [06:14] can takes no more . G nite \o [06:15] hiya lotus :) [06:15] just missed bashing-om :) [06:19] lotuspsychje: ping? [06:25] lol [06:25] waky waky [06:25] :) [06:26] new server installer - bad news to start the day with :( [06:29] aw [06:30] whenever canonical decides something is broken and the way to fix it is to make their own, i typically never like the end result :) [06:31] well, we'll see i guess. maybe it will support zfs for root. [06:31] So, not upstart better than sysvinit, nor lightdm over gdm, or ubiquity? [06:40] upstart was nice, as was lightdm, ubiquity i have no special fondness for. i admit i haven't used it that much, as i always use the images that has the debian installer. [06:41] Good morning [06:41] morning lordievader [06:41] morning EriC^^, lordievader [06:41] morning ducasse o/ [06:41] Hey EriC^^, ducasse [06:41] How are you both? [06:42] good here, thanks, you? [06:42] me fine, thanks :) hope all is well? [06:42] Doing good here too :0 [06:44] hey lordievader morning [06:51] i think i screwed up [06:52] one aria2c is showing 99% the others 98%, i dont think it integrated them and kind of multithreaded [06:52] EriC^^: oh? [06:53] the last 1% is taking forever, 7mins remaining [06:53] something is wrong with the ubuntu servers or my connection, trying to download 17.04 [06:54] ducasse: I think lightdm is pretty nice, would be great if they could move away from the CLA.. Debian's installer can actually have a graphical side, working with squashfs' too. [06:54] i wonder if i can truncate the last part since it multi-downloaded and let it continue [06:55] 10mins remaining, might as well make some coffee in this time :) [06:58] DalekSec: yes, i've tried it. lightdm is probably the nicest dm still being maintained, i only wish dm-tool received more attention. [07:00] wow [07:00] lotuspsychje: youre right [07:00] baizon: horrible? [07:00] Hey lotuspsychje, how are you? [07:00] great lordievader [07:00] :) [07:01] lotuspsychje: its like hell and heaven compared to manjaro [07:01] all themes are broken [07:01] software center crashing all the time [07:02] and im using it for 2 min now [07:02] its so scrambled... [07:03] it feels like an late alpha/early beta [07:03] yeah [07:03] unfinished [07:03] plasma? [07:03] very much [07:03] ducasse: kubuntu [07:03] ah. [07:04] i guess i try another distro then [07:04] i think to install 17.10 alpha2 gnome/wayland and heavy bugout every day [07:05] lets make gnome rock again lol [07:05] kde is stable, i had no issues at all on manjaro [07:05] we are a community right, we can influence this [07:05] but on kde everything is broken [07:05] baizon: What version of Kubuntu are you running? [07:06] lordievader: 17.04 [07:06] Hmm, never had any issue with that version. [07:06] Ran nicely on my test box from the release of 16.10 till now. [07:06] lordievader: i tested xenial kubuntu-desktop, same experience as baizon [07:07] What kind of issue were you two having? [07:07] laggy overal system [07:07] lordievader: applications crashing, theme broken, login screen broken [07:07] first boot black screen [07:07] and thats 4 min into the system [07:07] sluggy working overall.. [07:08] Hmm... did you voice this in #kubuntu-devel? They might be able to fix these kind of issues. [07:09] If they are not aware it will not be fixed (unless they notice it themselves). [07:10] if it does those kind of things by default on an ssd... [07:10] doesnt sound too good [07:12] gnome was a lil bit faster [07:13] There is not a baloo going haywire? [07:13] but still not like unity speed [07:13] unity is "to old" [07:14] im planning to bug out 17.10 real heavyly.. [07:14] devs wont sleep anymore [07:14] i already did with 17.04 :D [07:14] I do agree that Kubuntu is slower from, say, a custom Plasma desktop. But that seems to be *Ubuntu policy. Throw as much software on there until it barely runs. [07:15] bbl shower [07:19] ehhh, even the usb creator isnt working [07:22] now my locale is broken :/ [07:30] the md5sum checks out! :) [07:31] EriC^^: doing a fresh install? [07:32] ducasse: no just trying it out in a vm :) [07:33] right, have fun :) [07:34] lordievader: seen this? http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Server-New-Install [07:35] ducasse: hi, you didn't say which distro are you using? [07:35] ducasse: Nope, havent. Wonder why we need a new installer though. [07:36] * lordievader rarely uses installers these days [07:41] lordievader: that's what i'm wondering, too. i would assume it would be less effort to just extend the existing debian installer... [07:43] For example... [07:44] I guess that is a no no in Linux world. Either you fork or you don't do it at all. [07:53] and preferably you don't fork either ;) [07:54] Yeah, a new wheel is better. [07:54] Because this one is square! === JanC is now known as Guest51396 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [08:24] omfg [08:26] themes are working perfectly now :) [08:26] wow, this distro is nice :) [08:30] baizon: which distro are you using [08:30] Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor (800MHz) • Memory: 7.6 GiB Total (6.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.3 TB / 2.1 TB (772.9 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD790 Host Bridge • Uptime: 12m 33s [08:36] baizon: thanks how can i do the same [08:37] immu: https://antergos.com/try-it/ [08:38] ducasse: are non-ubuntu related osEs are allowed to be here discussed [08:39] immu: yes they are [08:39] * This is a channel for high quality on-topic non-support discussions about Ubuntu [08:39] so thats why i asked and wondered :) [08:40] immu: we're usually not very strict in here :) [08:40] ducasse: cool ;) [08:41] Does that mean it is time to promote Gentoo? :P [08:41] Gentoo are for Legends [08:43] ducasse: how can i get a kernel with BFQ in it ? [08:43] noop deadline [cfq] are the current present ones [08:43] and when was the switch was made to cfq from deadline [08:44] ducasse: please enlighten us :) [08:44] Wasn't bfq planned for 4.11? [08:45] Don't see the option for 4.10. [08:46] At least simply grepping for 'bfq' doesn't give results. [08:46] lordievader: 4.12 [08:46] Ah, 4.12: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BFQ-Queued-Linux-4.12 [08:47] Well, the newest release if 4.11-rc7, so I guess you just have to wait ;) [08:49] so we would have to wait for 17.10 to get 4.12 [08:50] cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler [08:50] mine is using CFQ, which is strange as earlier it was switched to, Deadline [08:51] Not necesarily, there is a kernel ppa. Or you compile your own kernel. [08:51] Compiling your own kernel is not supported, but it works fine. [08:51] i had done that long long time ago [08:52] lordievader: any guide for it [08:52] ubuntu frendly [08:52] Back when I still had Ubuntu virtual machines running, they all ran a much newer kernel than the version originally had. [08:53] http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/11/bfq-loads-programs-extremely-fast-under-heavy-disk-io-workloads-ubuntu/ [08:53] immu: A guide for compiling a kernel? It is quite simple. Download the source, configure using 'make menuconfig', build 'make -jX', install 'make install && make modules_install'. [08:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel [08:54] lordievader: thanks [08:54] They seem to build a package for it. [08:54] http://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/commit/?h=for-next&id=aee69d78dec0ffdf82e35d57c626e80dddc314d5 [08:55] check this commit, it highlights the benefits of using a bfq enabled kernel [08:57] Interesting charts :) [08:57] i like your IRC nickname lordievader [08:58] Hehehe, thanks :) [08:59] https://liquorix.net/#features lordievader you check this one or used [09:01] lordievader: check and tell me [09:02] Nope, never have. [09:02] The default kernel suffices for me. [09:02] Sure, I optimized it a bit for my system. [09:05] damn, my system is broken now :( [09:05] thanks kubuntu :/ [09:09] see ya all later [09:11] baizon: Broken how? [09:11] Doesn't boot? [09:11] it boots, everything is fine [09:11] just the damn theme is broken now and i have to reset [09:12] The breeze theme? [09:12] yes [09:13] task switcher is gone [09:13] Is this a new profile? [09:13] no [09:13] Could you check if a new user has the same issues? [09:15] no, only for me [10:19] Hiyas all [12:33] hi BluesKaj [12:33] re the idiot in #u, he's been doing this for ages now. [12:35] Hi ducasse, heh, i was just teasing ikonia about it :-) [12:35] you might remember him as 'dreaman' [12:36] yeah, vaguely [12:37] i don't understand why he's putting so much effort into it, must be a kid with no life :) [12:38] BluesKaj: i got a present today, a 1gb wd external drive :) [12:39] itb, obviously [12:39] 1tb - argh. [12:40] ok , nice, an enclosed esata to sata/usb drive? [12:42] usb3, a wd passport ultra. [12:42] ok, even nicer :-) [12:44] just wiped it and put a filesystem on it, was thinking of using it for backups of /home. [12:45] the small format size are handy. much lighter and less bulky [12:46] yup, I have the same on my outboard, just in case [12:50] yes, it's nice and small. handy format if i need to take it with me. [17:18] hi all [17:19] ducasse: hi BluesKaj [17:19] hi immu [17:19] \o [17:19] how are you? [17:19] hi EriC^^ i am good how are you all [17:20] i'm good [17:20] * ducasse is p***ed off! [17:20] ;) [17:20] haha, why? :D [17:20] nvm :) [17:21] ok :) [17:21] hi EriC^^ i am good and how do you express in that manner ducasse [17:21] immu: it was just a joke :) [17:22] hence the ;) [17:22] where are you from immu ? [17:22] from India, currently residing in UAE [17:22] aha cool [17:23] you all, ducasse BluesKaj EriC^^' [17:23] immu: i'm from lebanon [17:23] ducasse: yeah i got the joke, but in IRC how do you express in such style like you did [17:23] oke cool place [17:26] so whats happening , any fancy news? [17:27] i removed unity eight from my system [17:27] Yay, i am not pregnant :-D [17:27] oO [17:27] Oerheks: congrats? [17:27] ( if i was, i would be the 1st man on earth, no?) [17:28] Oerheks: if you are she, then its understandable [17:28] stewie got pregnant in an episode of family guy [17:28] it didnt look very fun [17:29] creepy [17:30] Well i am 49 years old, and not wearing a diaper like stewie.. [17:31] hmm [17:34] Oerheks: otoh you have the benefit of being a living human being. the wrong kind of human being for that to work, but still ;) [17:37] immu, i am living in the Netherlands, btw [17:39] thats also a nice place [17:41] One of the few members here, it has been a long time ago i met the others.. [17:41] met any one physically [17:41] i'm in norway, and we actually have nice weather today [17:42] immu, not one of these bunch here .. [17:45] EriC^^: how are the fish, btw? [17:54] * Oerheks eating a bowl of yoghurt with proper music > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC-8P5Rgdbw [17:59] * Bashing-om still in the morning coffee stage ( as I was real late arising !) [18:07] hmm [18:13] hmm [18:13] mmh? [18:17] ducasse: i flushed them down the toilet a while ago [18:18] ah :) [18:27] ducasse, 0/ <- Norway here too [18:29] * Mr_0 needs to make some food bbl , but "hi" anyway :) [20:13] good nite all === pauljw1604 is now known as pauljw