| ochosi | so since it was mentioned by flocculant in -ot, i've been chatting up Trevinho regarding indicators and their future and he told me that it was currently undecided | 08:37 |
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| ochosi | it's possible that they will decide in the next meeting/s how that is going to continue | 08:37 |
| ochosi | meanwhile i've noticed they've been exploring indicator-application extensions for gnome shell | 08:37 |
| Unit193 | Thanks for letting us know... | 08:38 |
| ochosi | so we should probably follow their next meeting minutes a little | 08:38 |
| ochosi | or ping them again in a week or two | 08:38 |
| flocculant | ochosi: their meetings are usually at a time I'm active so will actively idle | 08:39 |
| ochosi | my personal feeling is that we may be able to live without many of them, but indicator-application will be hard to replace | 08:39 |
| ochosi | flocculant: thanks, cool! | 08:39 |
| ochosi | we have a potential replacement for -sound with the pulseaudio plugin | 08:39 |
| flocculant | and anything I see that could affect us I'll ping or forward to us | 08:39 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ack - have had a little play with that lately | 08:40 |
| ochosi | and then there's only -messages which we ship by default | 08:40 |
| ochosi | flocculant: and what's your feeling/feedback? | 08:40 |
| flocculant | it works | 08:40 |
| ochosi | (also, we can easily patch that up a little, the code is not overly complex or long) | 08:40 |
| flocculant | but mostly music playback I'm using alsa and ofc all the pulse stuff stops while I'm playing music | 08:41 |
| flocculant | though I might revert to pa now I've worked out how to stop it downsampling | 08:42 |
| ochosi | the main downside of the pulseaudio plugin is that it doesn't have playback control | 08:42 |
| flocculant | right - but I never use thatanyway | 08:42 |
| ochosi | so mpris support would have to be patched in, and that's probably not a small effort | 08:42 |
| flocculant | biab | 08:43 |
| Unit193 | -application, that's for displaying indicators. But most, if not all, fall back to a tray icon so that doesn't seem like a big deal either. | 08:46 |
| ochosi | Unit193: while that is true, the trayicons have some downsides (scaling and usability mostly) | 08:48 |
| ochosi | so yeah, it's not like we'll lose a lot of functionality, but some convenience and usability | 08:49 |
| Unit193 | Amusingly, I'm forcing dropbox to use the icon because it's more useful. Indicators have no mouseover support, icons do. | 08:49 |
| Unit193 | It'd certainly be a bummer to lose them, but lightdm.... Yikes. | 08:57 |
| ochosi | i thought lightdm's future was secured? | 09:02 |
| flocculant | not sure that's the case, but more people are pro-keeping it than not from the m/l discussion | 09:04 |
| flocculant | sigh - can't remember why I've got 2 volume indicators when using the pa plugin | 09:05 |
| flocculant | oh suddenly I only have 1 | 09:08 |
| Unit193 | All 5 have been accpeted now. \o/ | 09:08 |
| Spass | speaking about indicators, sometimes the icons are duplicated in the notification area - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7S1VVV0Q4OUlDVXc | 09:08 |
| flocculant | or 2 | 09:08 |
| Spass | is it a known issue? | 09:08 |
| flocculant | transmission does that as well | 09:09 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-dict, xfce4-genmon-plugin, xfce4-mount-plugin all might need some going over. | 09:09 |
| Unit193 | Spass: Fixed whisker is in AA. | 09:09 |
| Spass | mostly it's ok, sometimes just one of these icon are duplicated, sometime both, very random | 09:09 |
| flocculant | Unit193: are these in ppa or in repo? | 09:09 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Repo proper, as of right now. Got a notification. | 09:10 |
| Spass | Unit193: ok thanks for the info, I hope the bug with scrolling will be fixed too, fingers crossed | 09:11 |
| flocculant | ok cool - I'll check out later | 09:11 |
| flocculant | Unit193: as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel | 09:11 |
| flocculant | I'll think about that | 09:11 |
| flocculant | also happy to test from git as well | 09:13 |
| flocculant | bbl - clock tells me I'm late :p | 09:13 |
| flocculant | Unit193: got those now - installed genmon and mount | 17:10 |
| ochosi | flocculant, Unit193: what up with those two? | 17:17 |
| flocculant | ochosi: nothing up as such - just 2 plugins extra in repo now, so I grabbed them to check them out | 17:38 |
| flocculant | ochosi: and also note to unit earlier - which counts for you and bluesabre "as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel" | 17:39 |
| flocculant | but not thought about it more than that yet :) | 17:39 |
| akxwi-dave | a page on x.org would be nice under QA .. where we can add these things | 17:55 |
| akxwi-dave | xubuntu.org that is | 17:55 |
| flocculant | was thinking of a pad or wiki.x.o tbh | 17:56 |
| flocculant | or even the dev tracker notepad - that's there already | 18:02 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r507 xfwm4-compact: Enlarged button images for better spacing and... (by RalphBike) | 18:03 | |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r508 Reference plank theme in readme... (by Simon Steinbeiß) | 18:03 | |
| flocculant | Unit193 ochosi - though I've no clue what the genmon thing does :D | 18:03 |
| ochosi | flocculant: it monitors anything ;) | 18:26 |
| flocculant | oh - ok :) | 18:27 |
| flocculant | Unit193: you told me back a while - why would I have 2 volume notifications? got the xfce pulse plugin, hidden sound in indicators and removed ind-sound | 19:42 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: I did? That seems like a logical reason you'd have two. And not really used all the things I listed, but some are going GTK3. | 20:11 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: And that's to say, you want us to note all uploads we do somewhere other than here? | 20:18 |
| flocculant | Unit193: only if they need specifically checking/testing etc | 20:20 |
| flocculant | an re vol notification - not sure where the other is coming from now :) | 20:31 |
| ochosi | flocculant: could you check for me what happens with a gtk2 panel and right-clicking a window group of >1 windows? i get broken icons for maximize all, minimize all and close all | 21:36 |
| ochosi | and i'm wondering whether that is really my doing or whether those icons were never there | 21:37 |
| flocculant | just booting vm | 21:37 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 21:37 |
| flocculant | ochosi: you mean window buttons > window grouping > always? those icons? | 21:40 |
| ochosi | yes | 21:40 |
| ochosi | in the context menu of a group | 21:40 |
| ochosi | so when right-clicking it | 21:40 |
| flocculant | yep - on 17.04 vm I have icons for minimize and maximize and close (all) | 21:41 |
| ochosi | weird, i can't even find those icons in my installation | 21:42 |
| ochosi | supposedly it's stuff like wnck-stock-maximize | 21:42 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/IvIFmGf.png these I hope :) | 21:43 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:43 |
| ochosi | i presume your gtk3 panel also still has those..? | 21:43 |
| flocculant | cool - we're almost in sync then on what we mean when we say things :D | 21:43 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:43 |
| flocculant | nope - I just rebuilt the gtk3 thing to see the lock hamdles | 21:43 |
| ochosi | so in gtk3 the icons are gone..? | 21:45 |
| flocculant | yea | 21:45 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 21:45 |
| ochosi | oh hey, evening bluesabre | 21:45 |
| flocculant | ochosi: don't forget that I am AA now with our zesty ppa's | 21:45 |
| bluesabre | how's it going ochosi and flocculant? | 21:45 |
| flocculant | cos bluesabre is lagging :D | 21:46 |
| ochosi | flocculant: that shouldn't make a difference | 21:46 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: all goot here :) | 21:46 |
| ochosi | hehe, he *is* ! | 21:46 |
| bluesabre | goot to hear | 21:46 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok - just wanted to to be sure you knew :) | 21:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: busy with the panel mostly, other than that busy with work and life ;) | 21:47 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: always ahead of the game, huh? | 21:47 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: :p | 21:47 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you? | 21:49 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: keeping 2 running this cycle just in case change to gnome causes us issues - 1 will be a logout behind, got aliases to chroot and update set up to make that easy | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not bad, was without a monitor for a few days, so lagging behind on AA | 21:50 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 21:50 |
| bluesabre | that and playing the new Zelda, who has time for anything? :D | 21:50 |
| ochosi | huhu | 21:50 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:51 |
| ochosi | flocculant: what does the handle style look like in gtk2 again for the taskbar? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | sorry, i should probably do this with a docker instance myself instead of pestering you all the time... | 22:09 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:09 |
| flocculant | I couldn't get that docker thing working | 22:10 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/wIUIYka.png 48px | 22:10 |
| flocculant | oh hang on? taskbar? | 22:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, sry, taskbar, not panel | 22:11 |
| flocculant | wth is the taskbar :) | 22:11 |
| ochosi | the "window buttons" plugin | 22:12 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:12 |
| flocculant | oh right | 22:12 |
| ochosi | not sure why there is that naming mismatch | 22:12 |
| ochosi | i presume it's historical | 22:12 |
| flocculant | ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/N1FPM4f.png id you can see the handles you have awesome eyes ... | 22:14 |
| flocculant | I turned labels off there btw | 22:14 |
| ochosi | that's gtk2? | 22:14 |
| ochosi | crazy stuff. that really doesn't work with dark panels at all | 22:14 |
| flocculant | that's 17.04 | 22:14 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I saw you talking about the panel backup doodah a while back - is 'when I use the backup doodah, it doesn't close the panel prefs' something you thought about? | 22:17 |
| flocculant | ochosi: 17.04 is gtk2 isn't it? | 22:18 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:18 |
| flocculant | I got sooo confused last cycle lol | 22:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: it has to, since it restarts the panel to achieve what it does | 22:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: oh yea - didn't think about that :) | 22:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: should it then shutdown prefs for some panel plugin you might have open - what if that plugin is no longer in the panel? | 22:19 |
| flocculant | or is that 'scratch that itch yourself' territory :p | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: probably, but not sure if there is a great way to do that | 22:23 |
| flocculant | ok - well it's great as it is then :D | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: we can have it make you log out when done | 22:23 |
| flocculant | ok | 22:23 |
| * flocculant installs a pad of paper and pen | 22:24 | |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: We gonna sru xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: sure thing | 22:37 |
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