[08:37] so since it was mentioned by flocculant in -ot, i've been chatting up Trevinho regarding indicators and their future and he told me that it was currently undecided [08:37] it's possible that they will decide in the next meeting/s how that is going to continue [08:37] meanwhile i've noticed they've been exploring indicator-application extensions for gnome shell [08:38] Thanks for letting us know... [08:38] so we should probably follow their next meeting minutes a little [08:38] or ping them again in a week or two [08:39] ochosi: their meetings are usually at a time I'm active so will actively idle [08:39] my personal feeling is that we may be able to live without many of them, but indicator-application will be hard to replace [08:39] flocculant: thanks, cool! [08:39] we have a potential replacement for -sound with the pulseaudio plugin [08:39] and anything I see that could affect us I'll ping or forward to us [08:40] ochosi: ack - have had a little play with that lately [08:40] and then there's only -messages which we ship by default [08:40] flocculant: and what's your feeling/feedback? [08:40] it works [08:40] (also, we can easily patch that up a little, the code is not overly complex or long) [08:41] but mostly music playback I'm using alsa and ofc all the pulse stuff stops while I'm playing music [08:42] though I might revert to pa now I've worked out how to stop it downsampling [08:42] the main downside of the pulseaudio plugin is that it doesn't have playback control [08:42] right - but I never use thatanyway [08:42] so mpris support would have to be patched in, and that's probably not a small effort [08:43] biab [08:46] -application, that's for displaying indicators. But most, if not all, fall back to a tray icon so that doesn't seem like a big deal either. [08:48] Unit193: while that is true, the trayicons have some downsides (scaling and usability mostly) [08:49] so yeah, it's not like we'll lose a lot of functionality, but some convenience and usability [08:49] Amusingly, I'm forcing dropbox to use the icon because it's more useful. Indicators have no mouseover support, icons do. [08:57] It'd certainly be a bummer to lose them, but lightdm.... Yikes. [09:02] i thought lightdm's future was secured? [09:04] not sure that's the case, but more people are pro-keeping it than not from the m/l discussion [09:05] sigh - can't remember why I've got 2 volume indicators when using the pa plugin [09:08] oh suddenly I only have 1 [09:08] All 5 have been accpeted now. \o/ [09:08] speaking about indicators, sometimes the icons are duplicated in the notification area - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8qh4-wxxEZ7S1VVV0Q4OUlDVXc [09:08] or 2 [09:08] is it a known issue? [09:09] transmission does that as well [09:09] xfce4-dict, xfce4-genmon-plugin, xfce4-mount-plugin all might need some going over. [09:09] Spass: Fixed whisker is in AA. [09:09] mostly it's ok, sometimes just one of these icon are duplicated, sometime both, very random [09:09] Unit193: are these in ppa or in repo? [09:10] flocculant: Repo proper, as of right now. Got a notification. [09:11] Unit193: ok thanks for the info, I hope the bug with scrolling will be fixed too, fingers crossed [09:11] ok cool - I'll check out later [09:11] Unit193: as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel [09:11] I'll think about that [09:13] also happy to test from git as well [09:13] bbl - clock tells me I'm late :p [17:10] Unit193: got those now - installed genmon and mount [17:17] flocculant, Unit193: what up with those two? [17:38] ochosi: nothing up as such - just 2 plugins extra in repo now, so I grabbed them to check them out [17:39] ochosi: and also note to unit earlier - which counts for you and bluesabre "as far as things coming up that need some testing - we need somewhere to note that rather than in channel" [17:39] but not thought about it more than that yet :) [17:55] a page on x.org would be nice under QA .. where we can add these things [17:55] xubuntu.org that is [17:56] was thinking of a pad or wiki.x.o tbh [18:02] or even the dev tracker notepad - that's there already [18:03] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r507 xfwm4-compact: Enlarged button images for better spacing and... (by RalphBike) [18:03] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r508 Reference plank theme in readme... (by Simon Steinbeiß) [18:03] Unit193 ochosi - though I've no clue what the genmon thing does :D [18:26] flocculant: it monitors anything ;) [18:27] oh - ok :) [19:42] Unit193: you told me back a while - why would I have 2 volume notifications? got the xfce pulse plugin, hidden sound in indicators and removed ind-sound [20:11] flocculant: I did? That seems like a logical reason you'd have two. And not really used all the things I listed, but some are going GTK3. [20:18] flocculant: And that's to say, you want us to note all uploads we do somewhere other than here? [20:20] Unit193: only if they need specifically checking/testing etc [20:31] an re vol notification - not sure where the other is coming from now :) [21:36] flocculant: could you check for me what happens with a gtk2 panel and right-clicking a window group of >1 windows? i get broken icons for maximize all, minimize all and close all [21:37] and i'm wondering whether that is really my doing or whether those icons were never there [21:37] just booting vm [21:37] thanks! [21:40] ochosi: you mean window buttons > window grouping > always? those icons? [21:40] yes [21:40] in the context menu of a group [21:40] so when right-clicking it [21:41] yep - on 17.04 vm I have icons for minimize and maximize and close (all) [21:42] weird, i can't even find those icons in my installation [21:42] supposedly it's stuff like wnck-stock-maximize [21:43] http://i.imgur.com/IvIFmGf.png these I hope :) [21:43] yup [21:43] i presume your gtk3 panel also still has those..? [21:43] cool - we're almost in sync then on what we mean when we say things :D [21:43] hehe [21:43] nope - I just rebuilt the gtk3 thing to see the lock hamdles [21:45] so in gtk3 the icons are gone..? [21:45] yea [21:45] evening all [21:45] oh hey, evening bluesabre [21:45] ochosi: don't forget that I am AA now with our zesty ppa's [21:45] how's it going ochosi and flocculant? [21:46] cos bluesabre is lagging :D [21:46] flocculant: that shouldn't make a difference [21:46] bluesabre: all goot here :) [21:46] hehe, he *is* ! [21:46] goot to hear [21:46] ochosi: ok - just wanted to to be sure you knew :) [21:47] bluesabre: busy with the panel mostly, other than that busy with work and life ;) [21:47] flocculant: always ahead of the game, huh? [21:47] bluesabre: :p [21:49] bluesabre: you? [21:50] bluesabre: keeping 2 running this cycle just in case change to gnome causes us issues - 1 will be a logout behind, got aliases to chroot and update set up to make that easy [21:50] ochosi: not bad, was without a monitor for a few days, so lagging behind on AA [21:50] ha ha [21:50] that and playing the new Zelda, who has time for anything? :D [21:50] huhu [21:51] :) [22:09] flocculant: what does the handle style look like in gtk2 again for the taskbar? [22:09] sorry, i should probably do this with a docker instance myself instead of pestering you all the time... [22:09] :) [22:10] I couldn't get that docker thing working [22:10] http://i.imgur.com/wIUIYka.png 48px [22:11] oh hang on? taskbar? [22:11] yeah, sry, taskbar, not panel [22:11] wth is the taskbar :) [22:12] the "window buttons" plugin [22:12] :) [22:12] oh right [22:12] not sure why there is that naming mismatch [22:12] i presume it's historical [22:14] ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/N1FPM4f.png id you can see the handles you have awesome eyes ... [22:14] I turned labels off there btw [22:14] that's gtk2? [22:14] crazy stuff. that really doesn't work with dark panels at all [22:14] that's 17.04 [22:17] bluesabre: I saw you talking about the panel backup doodah a while back - is 'when I use the backup doodah, it doesn't close the panel prefs' something you thought about? [22:18] ochosi: 17.04 is gtk2 isn't it? [22:18] yup [22:18] I got sooo confused last cycle lol [22:18] flocculant: it has to, since it restarts the panel to achieve what it does [22:18] bluesabre: oh yea - didn't think about that :) [22:19] bluesabre: should it then shutdown prefs for some panel plugin you might have open - what if that plugin is no longer in the panel? [22:20] or is that 'scratch that itch yourself' territory :p [22:23] flocculant: probably, but not sure if there is a great way to do that [22:23] ok - well it's great as it is then :D [22:23] flocculant: we can have it make you log out when done [22:23] ok [22:24] * flocculant installs a pad of paper and pen [22:30] bluesabre: We gonna sru xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? [22:37] Unit193: sure thing