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| GunnarHj | jbicha: Are you around? | 20:35 |
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| jbicha | GunnarHj: good evening | 20:39 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Hi! | 20:39 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I'm hesitating as regards the docs. | 20:39 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: After I had replied on the docs list, I took a look at gnome-user-docs, and I saw nothing that would help us maintain publishing or customization. | 20:41 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: An alternative to switch to gnome-user-docs would be to copy all the .page files into the ubuntu-docs trunk, make the most obvious adjustments (and keep track of which those adjustments are). | 20:42 |
| jbicha | I'm thinking you'd want to still identify as "gnome-help" so that we don't have to patch everything that links to help:gnome-help | 20:44 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Not sure I understand the significance of what you just wrote. Can you elaborate? | 20:45 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: several apps link to the GNOME help, like nautilus: https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/src/nautilus-application.c#n778 | 20:47 |
| jbicha | we patched some (but not all of them) to show help:ubuntu-help instead when run in Unity but that won't work any more | 20:47 |
| jbicha | if gnome-user-docs and ubuntu-docs are basically the same except that the Ubuntu version is a bit better for Ubuntu users, then I don't think it is useful to have both in Ubuntu | 20:50 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok, that makes sense. We should probably not have both. | 20:52 |
| jbicha | the URI is set based on the install location, so to use help:gnome-help, you'd install to /usr/share/help/LANG/gnome-help/ instead of /ubuntu-help/ | 20:53 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: have you looked at gnome-getting-started-docs? it's part of gnome-help too | 20:54 |
| jbicha | because it has videos, we split it into separate packages so that users only need the versions for their installed languages | 20:54 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: No, I don't recall I've seen gnome-getting-started-docs. Is there a web version of it? | 20:56 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: yes, it's the Getting Started section at the top of https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/ | 20:56 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok... Is the .page files for that included in the gnome-user-docs package? | 20:58 |
| jbicha | (but the version on the website looks a bit old) | 20:58 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Or is it a separate package? (Suppose the latter.) | 20:58 |
| jbicha | it's a separate package but it embeds itself into gnome-help | 20:59 |
| jbicha | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-getting-started-docs/tree/ | 20:59 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Ok, there are quite a few things I'm not enough familiar with yet. My main concerns are 1. Ubuntu customization and 2. Publishing (branding) | 21:02 |
| jbicha | I don't think publishing to help.ubuntu.com will be a problem | 21:03 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu customization can be handled a few different ways depending on how much you need to do | 21:04 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: It needs to be dealt with somehow, and code for doing it is handy available in the ubuntu-docs package currently. Maybe that code can be copied, though... | 21:04 |
| jbicha | sure | 21:05 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I don't know yet how much customization would be needed. Currently there are a couple of obvious things, but to some extent it depends on some decisions which have not been made yet. Currently we have a pretty well working workflow with the docs for Ubuntu, and I think we should try to preserve it as much as possible to not alienate the community. | 21:10 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: One thing which would complicate any customization is the translations. I have no idea yet how to handle that. | 21:14 |
| jbicha | I didn't understand the part in your email talking about translations, but I guess you can talk with seb128 about that later | 21:23 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Yes, seb128 needs to be involved in that. My idea is to not use pkgstriptranslations when building, even if that's standard for main packages. | 21:28 |
| jbicha | oh, I guess it depends on how concerned we are about disk space | 21:31 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Precisely. | 21:32 |
| jbicha | the gnome-getting-started pkg is way too large to not be split into the language packs though (~116MB) | 21:33 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: But splitting it the way it's currently done would not be a problem. I just want to avoid the language packs. | 21:37 |
| jbicha | oh, maybe you could make a bunch of binary packages like the getting-started pkg does so it has the advantage of less disk space used but you should be able to update it on its own schedule | 21:39 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Right, that would be an option. | 21:41 |
| a1fa | gnome is so terrible | 22:34 |
| a1fa | even after million and one extensions to make it look like unity | 22:34 |
| a1fa | kde is.. so gross too | 23:09 |
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