[04:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> hi jaythelinuxguy
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2017/4/getting-know-gnome-unity-perspective
[05:17] <immu> ducasse: hi
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:18] <immu> lotuspsychje: what? happened?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> jesus that guy Ben64 ...
[05:45] <Ben64> right?
[06:01] <immu> Ben64: whats up with lotuspsychje?
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> im here, ask me?
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:13] <ducasse> what's up, lotuspsychje? :)
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> welcome to n00b hell :p
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> that lupus guy is asking like an hour howto tinstall libssh
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> to have his friend make an ssh bruteforce scanner lol
[06:15] <ducasse> oh, dear...
[06:27] <immu> ducasse: hi
[06:28] <ducasse> \o
[07:29] <immu> ducasse: has blues come up ? or hes sleep in la la land
[07:36] <ducasse> he won't be here for several hours yet.
[07:37] <immu> ducasse: oke
[10:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:29] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, how goes it today?
[10:33] <ducasse> pretty quiet so far. immu was asking for you this morning, three hours ago.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> heh, I was asleep
[10:34] <immu> hey BluesKaj ducasse running kubuntu now :) anyways to make fonts look like ubuntu
[10:34] <BluesKaj> guess he thinks I'm in Europe
[10:34] <immu> BluesKaj: ducasse tea or coffee in the mornings? prefered?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> immu, make fonts that are readable
[10:35] <ducasse> immu: again, this isn't a support channel. try #ubuntu
[10:36] <ducasse> immu: you get a much better chance of getting someone who can answer your question properly.
[10:36] <immu> ok
[10:37] <immu> let me ask their
[10:38] <immu> BluesKaj: yeah just like ubuntu nice and crips ultra smooth
[12:42] <Wirehunter> Hey
[12:52] <EriC^^> hey Wirehunter
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon guys
[13:09] <EriC^^> afternoon lotuspsychje
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ how are you?
[13:10] <EriC^^> good, thanks, you?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> all fine here, 4 days off
[13:10] <EriC^^> nice
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/budgie-10-3-features-ubuntu-ppa
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> anyone feels inventing a new !wayland trigger?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> X11 getting limited for the future heh
[13:31] <EriC^^> yup
[13:31] <EriC^^> good thing i never understood how it works much, haha
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:33] <ducasse> it will be some time yet before x11 is all gone, i think
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[13:34] <EriC^^> 17.10 is getting wayland with optional xorg
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> what you think of this?
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[13:45] <ducasse> yay, lotus :)
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:48]  * ducasse still kind of likes x, even with all it's problems
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:21] <BluesKaj> hi EriC^^ , lotuspsychje
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:23] <BluesKaj> unfortunately nvidia doesn't support wayland from what I've seen so far on some of the linux chats
[14:23] <BluesKaj> and forums
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> alot of bugs will flow in for sure
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so fedora with wayland cant run nvidia?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, that's what i've heard, but i tried fedora 25 on my laptop whith intel graphics, very smooth and polished but it was still gnome , not my style
[14:31] <immu_> BluesKaj: lol
[14:33] <BluesKaj> dunno why nvidia is holding out, perhaps it's up to the community now
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be such a mess
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> hi Menzador
[14:47] <Menzador> Yo
[14:51] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> hey brunch875
[14:53] <brunch875> heya lotuspsychje :)
[14:54] <brunch875> I just discovered the secret to productivity
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: share with us
[14:54] <brunch875> with this one weird trick®
[14:54] <brunch875> it's easy
[14:54] <brunch875> more coffee
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:54] <brunch875> _______more_______coffee___________
[14:55] <brunch875> moar
[14:59] <brunch875> The ubuntu-phone mailing list went silent
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:59] <brunch875> I wonder if that's the end of it :/
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: you seen the #ubports channel grow?
[14:59] <brunch875> #ubports channel?
[14:59] <brunch875> oh maybe everyone moved!
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> poll: will the project die silent, or will they invent some worldwide breakthrough
[15:00]  * lotuspsychje hopes for the last
[15:01] <Menzador> Yunit :P
[15:02] <brunch875> migrate to wayland, snaps, android application support, lifecycle reworked
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be wayland ontop or mir right?
[15:03] <brunch875> wayland is just a protocol, right?
[15:03] <brunch875> implement mirston :p
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[15:04] <brunch875> feel like red hat is too big and enforcing too much
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: you think the pressure on ubuntu comes from them?
[15:05] <brunch875> doesn't it?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> that's a bit old , and mir is no longer in th picture in 18.04 on ubuntu according to most reports
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah ive requested a new factoid
[15:06] <brunch875> gnome, wayland, systemd, SELinux... doesn't that circle around RH?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[15:06] <brunch875> oh, and flatpak
[15:06]  * brunch875 crosses fingers for snappy
[15:06] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yeah I'm there
[15:06] <brunch875> could we at least get one thing, please?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> war of the linuxes
[15:06] <brunch875> I tried out flatpak now that I'm checking out fedora
[15:07] <brunch875> and it's... ugly to use
[15:07] <brunch875> you have to launch programs through the flatpak executable instead of having a path for the packages
[15:07] <brunch875> that enough is enough for me
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> bbl movietime
[15:10] <Menzador> Lol, wat iz an movee
[15:11] <Menzador> (I don't like full-length features)
[15:12] <brunch875> what?
[15:40] <immu_> https://www.change.org/p/canonical-ltd-make-kde-plasma-the-default-desktop-for-ubuntu-18-04-instead-of-gnome-shell?recruiter=216480136&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
[15:44] <brunch875> I think this is a good idea
[15:45] <brunch875> this could help KDE signifficantly
[15:48] <ducasse> will never happen, imho.
[15:49] <brunch875> why not?
[15:50] <immu_> brunch875: Gnome is the way forward,  as its already baby sitted by Fedora and others :) so Ubuntu, just have to microwave it and give it to others
[15:50] <immu_> got it
[15:51] <brunch875> that's pretty much "KDE, NOBODY LIKES YOU"
[15:51] <ducasse> i don't think they will embrace kde after that kubuntu brouhaha a while back.
[15:51] <brunch875> ducasse, what did I miss?
[15:52] <immu_> major developer resources will get freed up
[15:52] <ducasse> the kubuntu lead was bullied into oblivion, and then "asked" to resign.
[15:54] <brunch875> damn...
[15:55] <ducasse> so no, i don't think they're going to suddenly show kde some love now.
[15:57] <ducasse> personally, i don't really care. i wouldn't run either gnome nor kde no matter which one is the default. and anyone who wants plasma can just install kubuntu.
[15:58] <brunch875> ducasse, what will you be running?
[16:03] <ducasse> i've been perfectly happy with i3 for a long time now, and when i move to wayland i'll be running sway.
[16:05] <ducasse> the various desktops are all right, i just don't _need_ them :)
[16:10] <brunch875> hmmmph I'm checking out an i3 video and I don't like how it uses alt+key shortcuts
[16:11] <brunch875> most applications have these already bound
[16:12] <ducasse> on first startup it asks if you want alt or super ('windows key') for modifier, but you can use any modifier. i use super, works fine.
[16:12] <ducasse> alt clashes with a lot, that's right.
[17:27] <Bashing-om> Here we go again - Happy to be here \o/
[17:45] <ducasse> wb Bashing-om :)
[17:49] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om :)
[17:53] <brunch875> Heyo baizon :)
[17:53] <brunch875> err Bashing-om
[17:56] <baizon> hehe
[17:58] <Bashing-om> Hey all -- ducasse EriC^^ brunch875  and not least is baizon ; Make it a good day in our neighborhood .
[18:13] <immu> BluesKaj:  ducasse EriC^^ hi all, checking in from Manjaro KDE
[18:13] <EriC^^> hey immu
[18:14] <immu> EriC^^: how di buddy
[18:15] <immu> EriC^^:  you didn't like manjaro right?
[18:16] <EriC^^> never tried it
[18:16] <ducasse> immu: no, that was me
[18:16] <EriC^^> pretty curious though
[18:16] <immu> ducasse: oke yeah, eric EriC^^ what intriged you ?
[18:21] <immu> whats up? why the silence? eh?
[18:42] <brunch875_> immu, http://0x0.st/3XJ.mp4
[18:56] <immu> brunch875_: so every one is bird watching
[19:21] <immu> ducasse: BluesKaj EriC^^ is every one awake?
[19:21] <EriC^^> hey, yeah :D
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Won't speak for others immu - but, I only rouse up when the bait attractes me .
[19:25] <immu> oke
[19:40] <immu> EriC^^: whats up, why is every one so quiet, are all bird watching?
[19:58] <EriC^^> hehe, yeah it's so and so here usually :D
[20:00] <immu> hmm
[20:00] <immu> ok good nite all see you in the mornings
[20:00] <immu> yeah
[20:00] <immu> byeee
[20:00] <brunch875> gn!
[20:00] <immu> gn! all
[20:02] <immu> EriC^^:  BluesKaj ducasse good nite
[23:26] <Bashing-om> 16.04 new kernel is out : Setting up linux-image-generic (4.4.0.75.81) .