[03:46] <superfly> o/
[06:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:12] <inetpro> oh and hi superfly as well
[06:15] <nsnzero> morning inetpro and everyone else
[07:04] <theblazehen> Hi superfly, inetpro, nsnzero and others
[07:08] <nsnzero> morning theblazehen 
[07:17] <nsnzero> i dont  think virtual box supports adding of a physical hdd
[07:18] <MaNI> through the UI I think not, it might be possible via command line
[07:18] <MaNI> most of these virt systems can do a bunch of stuff that isn't in the UI - UI only handles common cases
[07:24] <nsnzero> morning MaNI 
[07:25] <nsnzero> that is correct mani - its a command line only procedure
[07:26] <nsnzero> but i added it as a shared folder - lets try that out 
[07:42] <theblazehen> It "just works" in kvm :)
[07:43] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Can't you add say /dev/sdb as a raw disk image ?
[07:57] <andrewlsd> o/ mornings all.
[07:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: afaik with VirtualBox you create a virtual disk that basically contains a reference to the physical disk
[07:58] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd. Right I remember that now
[07:58] <andrewlsd> the nice thing about that, is that you can limit the partitions the VM is aware of
[07:59] <theblazehen> I used that when I used windows for the gpu driver support, and ran everything with a windows X server and linux in a virtualbox vm using the X server on windows. Fun fact: Xming even supports opengl
[07:59] <andrewlsd> but you stilll have the danger that VM user will go, "Oh, we have lots of free drive space" and expand the partition/filesystem in the guest causing some horrendous problems
[07:59] <theblazehen> Performance was decent
[08:00] <theblazehen> I might even say better for some applications than linux directly
[08:55]  * chesedo just decided to view the source of this page ->http://www.dirco.gov.za/ ... /me now torn between laughing and crying
[08:58] <MaNI> just embrace it and do both
[08:59] <MaNI> urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office - I lied, pour acid on your eyes quickly
[08:59] <chesedo> MaNI: it gets worse below...
[09:00] <chesedo> css link points to a hard-drive a few lines futher...
[09:01] <chesedo> head gets closed, then a new body opens...
[09:01] <chesedo> later a new body opens again in a table...
[09:02] <MaNI> fun times
[09:02] <MaNI> This site is best viewed using 800 x 600 resolution with Internet Explorer 5.0
[09:03] <chesedo> then the final kicker... scroll to the bottom and read... yeah that ^
[09:03] <MaNI> favicon also has white blurs around it
[09:06] <theblazehen> I just saw https://postoffice.co.za/ doesn't have a trusted cert...
[09:06] <theblazehen> It is signed by a CA. That isn't trusted in browsers by default...
[09:07] <MaNI> on the plus side at least they have kept the same site since 2003, and haven't paid some webdev firm millions to do a new one (thats just a 5 minute wordpress job)
[09:10] <chesedo> lol, wonder how many chrome and firefox users know how to get past that warning
[09:10] <chesedo> MaNI: then i also wonder how much they pay who ever to update that thing
[09:13] <chesedo> for something created in 2003, it makes 94 requests and downloads a total of 2.4Mb
[09:13]  * theblazehen debates breaking in and getting them a lets encrypt cert :p
[09:15] <theblazehen> Seriously, why does the post office need to run their own CA?
[09:16] <chesedo> theblazehen: be carefull, they might think that error means it is already hacked!!
[09:16] <theblazehen> chesedo: heh
[09:18] <theblazehen> 					<input name="txtItemID" type="text" value="'&quot;*)(\n\r\'\&quot;" id="txtItemID" onkeydown="this.value=this.value.replace('&lt;','');this.value=this.value.replace('>','')" style="width:400px;" />
[09:18] <theblazehen> You have *got* to be kidding me
[09:19]  * chesedo rofl
[10:05] <MaNI> why are good sata cables so hard to find, this is the third time I've had a sata cable issue now
[10:14] <theblazehen> MaNI: Where are you getting your cables? Mine work fine almost always
[10:14] <MaNI> can't remember where I got this last set from, might have been wootware or takealot
[10:15] <theblazehen> IIRC got some from wootware that sucked, but cables that I got with motherboard / SSDs etc have been fine
[10:15] <MaNI> keep getting:
[10:15] <MaNI> [141247.183982] ata2.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x10000000 SErr 0x90202 action 0xe frozen
[10:15] <MaNI> [141247.183993] ata2: hard resetting link
[10:15] <MaNI> which I'm pretty sure is caused by a bad cable and not my actual sata controller
[10:16] <MaNI> I specifically got these expensive ones at some point, because I had cheap ones before and after spending ages tracking down what I thought was an xfs bug it turned out to be the cable
[10:17] <theblazehen> Ah, yeah. IIRC I had that when one cable was a bit too close to GPU, and chance it's something like that?
[10:17] <MaNI> this case is big and has those routing holes so doesn't go near any cards, I suppose theres a chance that all the power cables for the drives are interfering though
[10:18] <MaNI> still that means the SATA cable has junk shielding then I guess - I mean that shouldn't be a thing
[10:19] <MaNI> cable for the problem drive does indeed run much closer to the power supply cables than the other sata cables that don't have issues
[10:20] <theblazehen> https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/2063 nice
[10:20] <MaNI> guess I'll try route it through a higher up hole and see what happens
[10:21] <theblazehen> Yeah. How long does it take to reset the link?
[10:22] <MaNI> seems to be roughly every 30 minutes or so
[10:23] <theblazehen> And how long does IO block then? Eg, is it actually causing an issue when you're using your pc?
[10:24] <MaNI> nope, comes back almost immediately
[10:24] <MaNI> just don't like the power cycling noise I'm hearing from the drive
[10:25] <theblazehen> Ah. Heh. I don't really notice it. Can't even hear any hard drives over noise from server :p
[11:34] <theblazehen> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html
[12:31] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon everyone
[17:31] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:59] <theblazehen> hi nsnzero
[17:59] <nsnzero> evening theblazehen 
[17:59] <nsnzero> how are you doing ?
[18:12] <theblazehen> good ty, and you nsnzero?
[18:17] <nsnzero> its cold today 
[18:19] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:29] <nsnzero> going to bed early tonight 
[18:29] <nsnzero> have a good night all