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Laneyhi08:03
didrockshey Laney08:03
Laneyhey didrocks08:04
Laneywhat's new?08:04
didrocksnot much, you? :)08:05
willcookemorning08:05
didrocksmorning willcooke08:06
davmor2Morning all08:06
didrocksuk is on one after another08:07
seb128hey Laney davmor2 willcooke, how is u.k today?08:11
willcookecold and sunny08:11
seb128it's better than cold & wet08:11
davmor2Very cold and sunny08:11
willcookeIt got down to zero last night08:12
dednickgood morning!08:18
seb128hey dednick! how are you?08:18
seb128good to see you saying hey on the channel :-)08:19
dednickseb128: good thanks and you? :)08:19
seb128do you find your way around desktop team world? ;-)08:19
seb128I'm good thanks08:19
seb128we have a bit of sun today which is nice08:20
dednickseb128: giving it my best. all new and shiny :)08:20
dednickyes, it's nice here as well. might have some breakfast in the garden.08:20
oSoMoNgood morning all08:20
seb128hey oSoMoN!08:21
seb128how is it going?08:22
oSoMoNnot too bad, thanks, how are you?08:22
seb128I'm good, not fully awake yet, I start directly on the computer and got stucked to the keyboard08:23
seb128you could think that getting coffee first then going to the computer would be a lesson I would have learnt by now08:23
seb128but seems not :p08:24
oSoMoN hehe08:25
oSoMoNI have to drive my daughter to school every morning, so by the time I hit the keyboard I better be fully awake :)08:26
seb128:-)08:26
dednickhappyaron: ping08:30
seb128dednick, you might as well directly ask the question, unsure how much he's still around and others might be able to reply as well08:30
dednickseb128: sure :)08:31
willcookeDoes anyone have access to edit the team meeting in the "UES team calendar"?08:31
willcookeah, I can try and change owne08:32
willcooker08:32
dednickhey all, i'm looking into how you guys maintain some of your repos (network-manager in particular). Do you pull new versions direct from upstream repos, or using the tarballs with gbp?08:34
dednicki tried to pull 1.6 manually from git.freedesktop using a remote git source but couldn't quite figure it out.08:37
dednickgbp seemed to work a lot better but it was still a bit dodgey with some unexpected changes. Maybe need to be a bit manual and unpick some of the changes?08:38
dednickLaney: ^ i volunteer you to answer since you've been active on the nm repo ;-)08:41
Laneyoh sorry I was distracted08:42
Laneyhi dednick08:42
Laneyyou're doing nm stuff?08:42
LaneyI think I missed this memo08:42
Laneydid he just quit?08:44
* Laney has those messages off08:44
Laneyaha08:44
dednickdoh. coffee on keyboard.08:44
dednickbad.08:44
Laneylaptop?08:44
dednickyeah08:44
Laneysounds bad08:45
Laneygo drain it!08:45
dednickluckily was just a little. going to open it up in a bit :)08:45
Laneysooooooooooooooo what's the URL for nm?08:45
dednickyeah. i was holding it over the sink when i went off :)08:45
dednickLaney: git? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager08:46
dednickotherwise https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager08:46
dednickupstream is: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/08:47
dednick"i think"08:47
dednickLaney: and it's more "familiarising" myself with desktop at the moment than actually "doing". :)08:49
Laneythere's going to be lots of different methods08:50
Laneythis looks like gbp though, but one second08:50
dednickyeah. there is a debian/watch08:50
Laneyah man09:03
dednickLaney: i think i may have worked it out. to upstream/1.6.2  'gbp import-orig --uscan 1.6.2 -no-pristin-tar --no-merge' , then fix up the issues and merge back into master.09:03
Laneylooks like there's no vcs relationship with debian's branch09:03
dednickthen do pritine.09:03
dednickLaney: yeah. it looks like a flattened fork.09:03
Laneythat's annoying09:03
LaneyI think you want to merge with their package09:03
Laneyso it's dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.6.2-3.dsc, then gbp import-dsc ../path/to/that09:04
Laney...in a branch...09:04
dednickLaney: ah, do we upstream from debian rather than freedesktop?09:04
Laneyif debian already has it then take it from them09:04
dednickok09:04
Laneyso we get the packaging changes too09:05
dednickand the patches. ok09:05
Laneyit's much easier if the ubuntu branch is a proper branch of theirs though09:05
Laneythen you can do a normal git merge09:05
Laneyso... what you could do as a first step if you wanted... is fix that up09:05
Laneyfind the tag we based off (1.4.4-1) and mangle it so that we're a branch of that now09:06
Laneythen git merge 1.6.2-3 onto that09:06
dednickLaney: :) true that. will main maintenance easier.09:06
Laneydon't know if that's too complicated for a first task?09:06
dednickwell, i'll give it a got.09:06
dednickgo09:06
willcookeLaney, dednick - AFAIK we've always taken direct from upstream in the past.  Not saying that's the best way, just that's what we were doing.  Probably because of phone stuff.09:10
LaneyThere's definitely debian merges in there09:10
Laneyand the version number being -1... and not -0... means it's a merge09:10
willcookehummm09:11
willcookeinteresting09:11
Laneydon't know what was added on top of that though09:11
Laneycould have been anything :)09:11
dednickmaybe cherry picking from debian?09:11
willcookesounds complicated09:12
dednickbut the packaging is similar... but not the same.09:12
willcookewe should simplify as much as we can09:12
Laneymore likely cherry picking from upstream09:12
Laneybut I would expect that to be as git format-patch style patches applied with quilt09:12
dednickalso, if we want to use debian and we want to go up to 1.8 then we need to wait for debian to go to 1.809:12
Laneyyeh09:13
LaneyIf you want to do that I would sync up with their packaging and then gbp import-orig on top of it09:13
Laneydoesn't look released atm though09:14
Laneyso probably for later09:14
dednickyup. only 1.6 for now.09:18
Laneydoesn't look to me like there's any crazy phone stuff in there09:20
Laneyphew :)09:20
Laneyalthough I guess that might have been possible to drop anyway09:22
* Laney la la la09:22
willcookeI /think/ there were some useful patches from the phone to n-m - but that h_appyaron had started (and maybe finished) upstreaming and dropping them09:23
willcookethere might still be a few oddities laying around09:24
* willcooke has a meeting with Foundations next week to discuss09:24
willcookeWe should try and get the version that the people like Tony Espy are using in some snaps, and the version we are putting out for desktop in sync09:24
seb128sorry I missed a bit of the conversation while relocating with my laptop09:25
seb128but yeah, unsure if we still need the ofono integration parts09:25
LaneyI think we can afford to not make this too confusing right now09:27
Laneya Debian merge is there and needed to be done, so try to do that and then see what happens09:27
xnoxTrevinho, hehe, i need to fix my mp, I think.09:30
xnoxfor unity09:30
xnoxand for compiz there are missing files. for colorfilter stuff which is not shipped anywhere, i guess we need to ship it into some package?09:31
muktupavelsTrevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/32310009:34
xnoxTrevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/lowgfx-profile-setter-no-upstart/+merge/323118 this should fix the unity build failure in the bileto landing; please review & approve. And then we can reconfigure bileto to add that branch in?09:48
xnoxlooking into compiz now as well.09:48
seb128Trevinho, what did you ask me to review yesterday?09:56
xnoxTrevinho, please respond to https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter/+merge/320611/comments/847280 =)10:07
Laneypoor Marco10:08
willcookeseb128, libinput - does anything change wrt/ trying to move to libinput this cycle now we're Wayland?10:14
seb128willcooke, GNOME is using it so we just got it for free by switching desktop even under their x11 session10:15
willcooke\m/10:15
* willcooke makes a note to make sure we cover it in testing10:15
seb128:-)10:16
tjaaltonxserver-xorg-input-all doesn't pull -synaptics anymore10:18
seb128tjaalton, since when?10:22
tjaaltonyesterday10:23
chrisccoulsontalking of input. Since I upgraded to zesty, edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad. I'm pretty sure I always had it disabled in xenial, but I can't find anywhere in the control-center to disable it again10:24
chrisccoulsonNot sure if that's a gnome thing or a zesty thing, but it's really annoying10:25
seb128k, so unity settings wouldn't work on arful?10:25
tjaaltonnot without synaptics installed10:25
seb128chrisccoulson, it should be in u-c-c, do you have -synaptic installed10:26
seb128tjaalton, seems a bit backward to do the change before the desktop is ready to handle it, but I guess in practice it's fine10:27
tjaaltonoh wait10:27
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, it's installed. I'm not using unity though, and the setting appears to no longer be in g-c-c10:28
tjaaltonI didn't upload it yet :P10:28
seb128lol10:28
seb128chrisccoulson, oh, that's your issue then10:28
chrisccoulsoncan I launch u-c-c from gnome-shell?10:28
seb128chrisccoulson, GNOME uses libinput not synaptic10:28
chrisccoulsonah10:28
chrisccoulsonthat sucks10:28
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: remove x-x-i-synaptics10:28
seb128try removing -synaptics10:28
seb128chrisccoulson, no reason you couldn't10:28
seb128but u-c-c talks to u-s-d which is not active10:29
seb128so it might not be of much use10:29
seb128you might also need to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity10:29
seb128though I think we changed u-c-c to not need that10:29
chrisccoulsonyeah, I got an empty window when I launched it10:29
seb128so X_C_D10:30
chrisccoulsonI guess I need to restart after removing x-x-i-synaptics?10:30
chrisccoulsonbrb10:30
chrisccoulsonw00t, that worked10:34
chrisccoulsonno more edge scrolling :)10:34
seb128:-)10:37
seb128you are one of those 2 fingers scrolling people then?10:37
willcookerepresent!10:37
seb128just curious, does edge scrolling have any side effect? or do you trigger it by error?10:38
willcookeI find that it's a lot less easy to trigger and a bit fiddly10:38
willcooketwo finger just works for me10:38
seb128yeah, I understand that some people prefer it, I was just wondering if the edge scroll had a side effect if it's on and you are not one of its users10:42
seb128I guess you might end up triggering scroll while trying to move the cursors and hitting the edge sometimes10:43
didrocks2 fingers scrolling people here |m|10:44
willcookeyeah, I do find that when moving around the screen, as soon as I get towards the rhs of the pad then its easy to trigger scrolling10:45
willcookestill just usability rather than a bug I suppose10:45
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, 2 finger scrolling here. I kept triggering the edge scrolling by accident10:45
seb128makes sense10:46
seb128that said I don't use my touchpad outside the edge scrolling :p10:48
seb128too used to the small round in the middle of the keyboard10:49
dednickeww. red dot of doom.11:03
dednickmine fell off this morning.11:03
willcookepopey, didnt you find a supplier of new nipples?11:03
jbichathe -synaptics thing is annoying11:23
jbichaif -synaptics is installed, GNOME's Mouse/Touchpad Settings doesn't work very well :(11:24
seb128yeah, it's a bit tricky11:24
jbichado we know what desktops still haven't switched to libinput?11:24
seb128we should probably put that on the list as well :p11:24
seb128unity11:24
seb128unsure about others, not easy list from from a quick googling11:27
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jbichais it ok to upload vala 0.36 to artful now? bug 166925314:29
ubot5bug 1669253 in vala (Ubuntu) "Update vala to 0.36" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166925314:30
seb128jbicha, is that the GNOME 3.24 version?14:30
jbichayes, it will cause some pkgs to FTBFS but I think we should start fixing those now14:31
seb128I've not going to veto but I would -114:31
seb128that's the sort of strategy that leads us to have a stack of mixed transitions at the start of the cycles that are hard to get through14:32
seb128we might stuck the whole stack for a month again14:32
jbichaall GNOME pkgs should build fine, it's the non-GNOME stuff that will have a problem14:32
seb128britney doesn't make differences between GNOME or not14:32
seb128it might just hit a package blocking a transition14:32
seb128I would rather avoid more disruption that the autosync create at the start of the cycle14:32
seb128but that's me14:32
seb128if you think it's important enough to risk it feel free14:33
jbichathe transition itself should be easy (the only pkgs affected are anjuta, gnome-builder, valabind and valadoc)14:33
seb128well if you are confident14:33
seb128what are the benefits of doing it now?14:33
seb128instead of waiting for the initial sync round to be sorted out?14:33
seb128I don't think we are short on merges to do and such yet?14:34
jbichaI have no problem with waiting for the first autosync, if you think that might be better14:34
seb128I would do that just to be on the safe side14:35
seb128happy for Laney or others to state their position though14:35
Laneyhi14:35
seb128hey Laney :-)14:35
Laneyany reason not to stay in sync by going via exp?14:35
seb128basically jbicha is +1 and I'm -1 so need somebody else to untie :p14:35
jbichathe first autosync should be fairly quiet since Debian unstable is quiet14:36
Laneyautosyncs aren't on yet, if that makes a difference14:36
jbichaexp is fine with me although pkg-gnome hasn't really started on 3.24 yet14:37
seb128my preference is easy syncs & merges first, get archive to settle then add extra transitions one by one14:37
seb128we all know how it can turn with mixed transitions14:37
Laneyi'm ok with that14:38
seb128anyway, that's my position, not going to veto if somebody want to step it and take responsability to deal with extra work created14:38
Laneyi'll sponsor it to experimental, ping me once it's in svn14:38
jbichaok14:39
Laneyand other 3.24 things unless someone cries14:39
jbichaLaney: are you interested in sponsoring mozjs38 into Debian new?14:39
Laneydunno14:40
Laneyisn't there a new one?14:40
seb128jbicha, i'm starting to review your shotwell update btw14:40
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log14:40
Laneythere's a list of what will happen at the end there14:40
Laneyif you're interested14:40
jbichagnome-shell 3.24 needs mozjs38; 3.26 will probably need mozjs52 so hopefully mozjs38 will never be in Debian stable14:41
seb128Laney, do you know why we didn't do it yet?14:41
Laneynope14:41
seb128we used to have "new archive open," or "toolchain news" on ubuntu-devel@14:41
Laneysnakefruit had a release upgrade yesterday, maybe they were waiting for after that14:41
seb128not such info this cycle that I saw14:41
seb128no*14:42
Laneyyeh14:42
Laneyit got opened but I didn't see that announced14:42
seb128I didn't even notice  we had a name until yesterday14:42
Laneyjbicha: so I'm interested if it's used14:42
Laneyif we skip to 52 and have to do the NEW dance again, not so much14:42
Laneylike if you want to get gnome-shell 3.24 in experimental and there's a moderate chance it'll see the light of day in unstable14:44
LaneyI guess you should check with the current mozjs maintainer first too14:45
jbichaLaney: I talked with him in December but then he stopped answering my emails14:46
Laneyheh14:46
jbichahe wasn't thrilled about maintaining mozjs38 though14:47
Laneyok, well it doesn't seem super urgent to me14:47
Laneywe can take time to figure out maintenance and versioning14:47
jbichamozjs38 not being in Debian isn't causing Ubuntu any problems14:48
jbichaGNOME 3.26 will be out in September; Stretch should be released before then but it wouldn't hurt Debian to wait a few more weeks for a newer GNOME14:49
jbichaCinnamon might need mozjs38 for a few months since they are following GNOME14:50
Laney'k, well something will force the issue at some point14:54
willcookeNot going to make the unmeeting now - on a call15:02
Laneyman15:03
Laneynobody likes the unmeeting15:04
kenvandineLaney, i'm trying15:04
kenvandinetalky.io is angry because i don't have a camera on the box i'm using atm15:04
kenvandinei guess a mic isn't enough...15:05
Laneyoh :-o15:06
ricotzjbicha, throw mozjs back to chrisccoulson ;P15:16
willcookeseb128, Laney - I'm going to be on this call for a bit longer - would one of you mind chairing the meeting today?  Sorry15:26
* seb128 plays not being the first to reply15:26
seb128k, Laney beats me at this game15:29
seb128willcooke, I can do15:29
willcooke:) thanks seb12815:29
Laneymuhahahah15:29
willcookewell played Laney15:29
seb128yw15:29
seb128:-p15:29
Laneywas busy unmeetinging15:29
seb128oh, others joined you? good15:30
seb128#startmeeting15:30
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Apr 25 15:30:28 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:30
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick15:30
andyrocko/15:30
tkamppeterhi15:30
seb128let's see if I can figure the list of people to ping15:31
LaneyI got to see the face of didrocks15:31
Laneyit's been too long15:31
jbichao/15:31
oSoMoNo/15:31
* kenvandine waves15:31
Laneyare you doing a round or what?15:31
didrocksLaney: with the new haircut of the week-end, what a priviledge :-) /me hugs you15:31
Laneyif so...15:31
seb128andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out)15:31
seb128Laney, yeah, see email from wil_lcooke from this morning15:32
seb128if people don't have weekly notes it's fine but let's do a quick round and then aob15:32
seb128ok, let's start15:32
seb128andyrock, hey :-)15:32
andyrockhey15:32
andyrock#1 Working on Chromium on Mir (waiting from mir team to add gbm bo import, so started to add input support)15:33
andyrock#2 Reviews15:33
andyrock#3 eow15:33
seb128thanks andyrock15:34
seb128#topic dgadomski15:34
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dgadomskihey15:34
seb128dgadomski, hey, still around? (a bit difficult to keep track of status)15:34
dgadomskiyep, still here15:35
dgadomski* looking into do-release-upgrade conflict with landscape - will report an lp bug about that15:35
dgadomski* examining a wifi issue related to some cisco blocking Wifi Direct capable devices - looking for a way to disable this capability15:35
dgadomskieof15:35
seb128good to see you are still around :-)15:35
seb128thanks dgadomski15:35
dgadomskilikewise :)15:35
seb128#topic kenvandine15:35
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kenvandine* jbicha filed most of the MIRs, I filed the last couple that are minimally required for gnome-shell.  gjs and mozjs38 MIRs have been forwarded to security for review.15:35
kenvandine* I have branches for gnome-online-accounts and gnome-shell which drop some recommends to suggests to make our list shorter for our first round, these have also been uploaded to the PPA for testing.  Some of these I think should be moved back to recommends, but lets get the minimum list of MIRs approved before we attack those.15:35
kenvandine* lightdm vs gdm3, there has been some good discussion on the mailing list but no decision.  I think it's safe to assume we should stick with lightdm for our initial seeding of gnome-shell until we can sort out the longer term plans.15:35
seb128kenvandine, hey, welcome back!15:35
kenvandine* QUESTION:  Does anyone know how we can build images from a seed in the PPA?15:35
kenvandinethanks!15:35
seb128kenvandine, +1 on lightdm to start15:36
seb128I don't know about image build15:36
seb128Laney might?15:36
LaneyProbably15:36
kenvandinei'll pester Laney after the meeting then :)15:36
LaneyIt's a fair bit of work though15:36
kenvandinei'd like to build an image with gnome-shell and without unity to test15:37
seb128sounds good, just use the channel, others (including me) might be interesting to learn15:37
kenvandineEOF15:37
LaneyI don't think I'd bother personally15:37
kenvandineok then15:37
LaneyThe touch stuff was built with a PPA15:37
Laneybut that was expected to be long lived15:37
kenvandinei guess we can test it in artful soonish then :)15:37
kenvandinei'll look at changes to the seed and share a diff15:37
kenvandineseb128, that's it for me15:38
seb128thanks kenvandine15:38
LaneyI'd just do some pre-test iterations in there and then whack it in the release15:38
Laneypersonally ;-)15:38
seb128+1 on that15:38
Laneyand continue to use it for crack testing when dropping patches and things15:38
seb128kenvandine, sounds good to you as well?15:39
kenvandineyup15:39
seb128good, let's get moving then15:39
Laneysweet15:39
seb128adding jbicha to the list15:39
seb128#topic jbicha15:39
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seb128jbicha, hey15:39
jbichahi!15:39
jbicha- Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List and started the paperwork for several of the MIRs15:39
jbicha- Started ubuntu-desktop list topics for default email client, GNOME 3.2615:40
jbicha- Worked on GNOME 3.24.1 SRUs for Zesty15:40
jbicha- Worked on evolution 3.24 (LP: #1685683), still needs some work15:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 1685683 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "Update evolution to 3.24.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168568315:40
jbicha- Worked on shotwell 0.26 (LP: #1581180)15:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 1581180 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Update to Shotwell 0.26" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158118015:40
jbicha- Tagged some bugs with 'wayland' and 'gnome-17.10'15:40
jbichahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.1015:40
jbichahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland15:40
jbichaEOF15:40
seb128thanks jbicha, good working on starting those discussions and lists15:40
kenvandineyeah, thanks jbicha!15:40
seb128I'm going to have a look to your shotwell diff today or tomorrow15:40
seb128next is Laney15:41
seb128#topic Laney15:41
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seb128Laney, hey15:41
Laneyone sec15:41
Laneygot interrupted ;-)15:41
seb128no problem, should I just come back to you later?15:42
Laneynope15:42
seb128k15:42
Laneyhere we go15:42
Laney• Some things from the last 3 weeks?15:42
Laney• Released zesty15:42
Laney• Fixed a dkms bug that was breaking module compilation on upgrade (that got merged upstream)15:42
Laney• Worked a bit on archive opening15:42
Laney∘ appstream → needed some slight tweaks to freeze zesty, should be good now15:42
Laney∘ autopkgtest → figured out how to initialise everything, wrote a small patch for the LXD image creator to dist-upgrade zesty → artful before there were proper artful releases (there are now)15:42
Laney‣ Wrote some documentation in my notepad for the wiki, need to type that up now. (bus factor--)15:43
Laney• Some feedback to QA about the current state / what would be good to test in the future15:43
Laney• Investigated problems with ubuntu-image's github <-> autopkgtest.u.c communication. Turned out that it was using an API token from someone who has left the company :/15:43
Laney• Worked on rebasing gnome-shell/ubuntu-master onto master - autotools is dropped there so ported our stuff to meson. Still in progress, but nearly done.15:43
Laney15:43
seb128thanks Laney!15:43
seb128next oSoMoN15:44
seb128#topic oSoMoN15:44
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oSoMoNhey15:44
oSoMoNI’ve taken over chromium-browser packaging, just in time for a new upstream release (58.0.3029.81). All built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages and handed over to security team for validation.15:44
oSoMoNI’ve also packaged the next release (59) in a separate PPA for all supported releases, currently building (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages).15:44
oSoMoNI am now doing some bug triaging/cleanup at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser (have been mass-closing very old crash reports).15:44
oSoMoNThat's all from me for now15:44
jbichaLaney: that's gnome-software/master not gnome-shell, right?15:44
Laneyyes15:44
Laneyyou know15:44
seb128seems quite some good work there15:44
LaneyI wrote gnome-shell on my notepad15:44
Laneyand then scribbled it out and wrote software15:44
seb128thanks oSoMoN15:44
Laneyand then I went and typed gnome-shell15:44
Laneyweird15:44
seb128lol, thanks for catching that jbicha15:45
seb128I though Laney took on gnome-shell :-)15:45
seb128#topic seb12815:45
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seb128• 17.04 testing & post release launcher/e.u.c bugs review&triaging15:45
seb128• some catching up on GNOME world15:45
seb128• participated at several discussions about the (GNOME mostly) work to be done this cycle15:45
seb128</week>15:45
seb128bah15:45
seb128launcher->launchpad typo in the first item15:45
seb128#topic tkamppeter15:45
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seb128tkamppeter, hey15:46
Laneyno but I did work on build fixes for gnome-shell/mutter in jhbuild (some linker change), forgot to mention that15:46
tkamppeter- ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Discovered a lot of bugs and room for improvement when starting to patch avahi for broadcasting localhost services locally. A lot of testing and fixing, especially for clean shutdown, stop DNS-SD advertising on shutdown or printer unplug, made it robust against restarting avahi-daemon, ... After all remaining fixes done I plan to issue the next release.15:46
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code 2017: The Linux Foundation got 11 slots, we use 7 for OpenPrinting, 2 for LSB, and 2 for WireGuard. Slot count determined mainly by the availability of mentors.15:46
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:46
seb128tkamppeter, did you get to try the GNOME printing tools to see how they compared to s-c-p yet?15:47
tkamppeterNot yet.15:47
seb128k15:48
seb128thanks tkamppeter15:48
seb128#topic Trevinho15:48
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seb128Trevinho, still awake?15:48
tkamppeterseb128, I fear that s-c-p is till much more powerful.15:48
jbichanice typo :)15:48
seb128lol15:49
oSoMoN:)15:49
seb128tkamppeter, well, it's a standalone UI so it would be easy to keep using it under GNOME if we want15:49
seb128not Trevinho I guess15:50
seb128(sorry if you sent summaries to willcooke, didn't got those fwded if that's the case15:50
seb128#topic robert_ancell15:50
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seb128same for robert_ancell15:50
seb128#topic aob15:50
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seb128other topics?15:50
kenvandinedo we have anyone going to guadec?15:51
seb128good question15:52
seb128not that I know15:52
seb128not sure if we have official company time/budget, question for willcooke I guess15:52
seb128I expect some of us are going to go but I don't know if anyone signed up/decided yet15:52
kenvandineok15:52
seb128jbicha, was there any GNOME work topic we wanted to discuss here?15:53
seb128we still need to set up a proper meeting where .au members can join15:53
seb128but we can discuss some small things here if we want15:54
jbichaI don't think I have anything else specifically for today's meeting15:55
seb128good, we can still discuss things on the channel outside meeting time anyway15:55
seb128let's wrap then15:55
seb128thanks everyone!15:56
seb128#endmeeting15:56
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:56:03 2017 UTC.15:56
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-04-25-15.30.moin.txt15:56
jbichaoSoMoN: thanks for picking up chromium maintenance, does 59 switch to gtk3?15:57
seb128oSoMoN, let us know on channel or list if you need testers for the ppa, there are probably a bunch of us who would be happy to help with that :-)15:59
jbichaI see there's an old team/ppas at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily maybe it makes sense for you to get access and use those ppas?15:59
seb128+116:01
willcookeback, and reading backloh16:01
seb128k, need to relocate, that place is closing16:01
seb128back online in 10min or so16:01
jbichakenvandine: I'm merging your gnome-shell changes, adding a few more demotions to suggests and then I'll probably go ahead and upload16:02
kenvandinejbicha, cool16:02
kenvandinejbicha, i'd like to eventually get back to recommending chrome-gnome-extension and switcheroo-control16:02
kenvandinebut i think switcheroo-control is only useful with gdm3 atm right?16:03
jbichakenvandine: I don't think switcheroo-control has anything to do with gdm but I don't have hybrid graphics to check16:03
kenvandineand chrome-gnome-extension won't be a simple MIR, but i think we really want it16:03
kenvandinejbicha, i think if you have hybrid graphics gdm3 gives you an option to switch16:03
kenvandineat least based on my limited investigation16:04
kenvandinei don't have hybrid either16:04
kenvandineit seems to let you switch before logging in16:04
kenvandineafaict16:04
jbichahttp://www.hadess.net/2016/10/dual-gpu-integration-in-gnome.html16:04
willcookedesktoppers - GUADEC approval is in progress.  Watch this space16:05
MenzadorWhat's​ this about GUADEC approval mate? willcooke16:28
willcookeMenzador, getting Canonicallers to GUADEC16:28
MenzadorAh! That would be helpful :)16:29
Laneychrisccoulson: you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1683997 ?16:32
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1683997 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox scrollbars are too narrow and difficult to use in Zesty" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:32
jbichatjaalton: for bug 1417980, maybe we shouldn't close Unity 7 bugs as long as Unity 7 will still be in universe?16:52
ubot5bug 1417980 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add support for unified Xorg input driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141798016:52
Laneygonna jet out of here16:56
Laneysee you tomorrow!16:56
* willcooke follows17:04
willcookenight all17:04
willcookeoh17:04
willcookeno17:04
willcookeI've got a meeting at 9pm17:04
willcookeI'll be back later17:04
tjaaltonjbicha: what difference would that make? no-one is going to fix that17:11
tjaaltonand 1686081 should be moved to u-s-d, it should depend on -synaptics now17:12
tjaaltonas unity is the only DE that doesn't support -libinput17:12
jbichaif no one is going to fix Unity 7 issues, then I think it would be better to remove Unity 7 from Ubuntu…17:12
tjaaltonI've tried to get this fixed for two years..17:13
jbichais it possible to get Unity to bundle synaptics in a way that will allow unity-settings-daemon to work but not cause issues for gnome-settings-daemon?17:14
tjaaltondon't see how17:14
jbichaI wonder how badly Unity 7 would be broken if it switched to g-s-d, g-c-c…17:15
tjaaltonno idea17:16
muktupavelsvery badly? for example Display settings in g-c-c needs org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig dbus name to change / see display configuration...17:19
* oSoMoN EOD17:24
oSoMoNgood night everyone!17:24
sarnoldoh boy if we could remove every package that's had bugs untouched for two years.. :)17:50
jbichathe specific bug here is LP: #168608118:01
ubot5Launchpad bug 1686081 in xorg (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168608118:01
jbichahey, Unity runs with gnome-settings-daemon, you were right about the Displays panel being useless but at least it doesn't crash or anything18:09
jbichaI think it's a good trade-off to drop unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center but let's see what the others thing18:10
muktupavelshow Unity users will configure their displays?18:11
muktupavelsdoes keybindings works?18:12
muktupavelsover time there many things from gcc or gsd has been moved to mutter.18:12
jbichakeybindings seem to work but I'm using VBox18:14
jbichaUnity users will have to find a developer that cares enough to come up with some way to configure displays on Unity18:15
muktupavelsI dont use Unity so it does not affect me. :)18:16
jbichabut I think it's better than breaking Mouse & Touchpad settings in the default install because someone was curious to see how well Unity works in 18.0418:16
muktupavelshow did you test that it works with gsd and gcc?18:18
jbichawell I hacked it to work, I just have to figure out if this is appropriate to push to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome18:18
jbichaor if I should use a 2nd ppa for it18:18
jbichawait, I missed a step…18:20
muktupavelsis there a way to kill usd in unity settings? if I kill it it is restarted.18:20
muktupavelsin unity session...18:21
jbichathis will take some more time…18:22
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willcookemorning robert_ancell19:57
robert_ancellwillcooke, hi19:58
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willcookenight all21:01
a1fahow do you force the instller into ncurses mode21:03
a1fanomodeset* worked for me21:06
TheMusojbicha: Thanks for the article link dude.21:34
TheMusojbicha: Oh yeah I know about Alex.21:34
jbichaTheMuso: good morning22:44
TheMusojbicha: Hey dude, hope all is well.23:11
robert_ancelljbicha, hmm, if I switch DM to GDM I just get a black screen. Is there anything special I have to do on 17.04?23:27
jbicha:(23:28
jbichawhat graphics drivers are you using?23:29
robert_ancelljbicha, intel23:29
robert_ancellI tried disabling Wayland and enabling debug but no change23:30
jbichaI don't know then23:31
jbichaI was waiting for the first round of Zesty SRUs to get promoted out of -proposed before updating gdm3 and gnome-session to 3.24.123:32
jbichaI figured it wasn't good to change too many parts of the critical GNOME infrastructure all at once23:32
robert_ancell:)23:33
robert_ancelljbicha, but as far as you know, just installing gdm/gnome-shell on 17.04 should be sufficient to boot to a GNOME desktop?23:33
jbichathat's supposed to work, it's possible that there's a missing dependency since most people tested with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed23:34
jbichaI'm trying now to see what happens…23:37
robert_ancellah, I was looking for the appropriate metapackage - installing that now23:38
jbicharobert_ancell: it looks like I can confirm that issue :(23:52
robert_ancelljbicha, but it doesn't occur with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed?23:52

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