Laney | hi | 08:03 |
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didrocks | hey Laney | 08:03 |
Laney | hey didrocks | 08:04 |
Laney | what's new? | 08:04 |
didrocks | not much, you? :) | 08:05 |
willcooke | morning | 08:05 |
didrocks | morning willcooke | 08:06 |
davmor2 | Morning all | 08:06 |
didrocks | uk is on one after another | 08:07 |
seb128 | hey Laney davmor2 willcooke, how is u.k today? | 08:11 |
willcooke | cold and sunny | 08:11 |
seb128 | it's better than cold & wet | 08:11 |
davmor2 | Very cold and sunny | 08:11 |
willcooke | It got down to zero last night | 08:12 |
dednick | good morning! | 08:18 |
seb128 | hey dednick! how are you? | 08:18 |
seb128 | good to see you saying hey on the channel :-) | 08:19 |
dednick | seb128: good thanks and you? :) | 08:19 |
seb128 | do you find your way around desktop team world? ;-) | 08:19 |
seb128 | I'm good thanks | 08:19 |
seb128 | we have a bit of sun today which is nice | 08:20 |
dednick | seb128: giving it my best. all new and shiny :) | 08:20 |
dednick | yes, it's nice here as well. might have some breakfast in the garden. | 08:20 |
oSoMoN | good morning all | 08:20 |
seb128 | hey oSoMoN! | 08:21 |
seb128 | how is it going? | 08:22 |
oSoMoN | not too bad, thanks, how are you? | 08:22 |
seb128 | I'm good, not fully awake yet, I start directly on the computer and got stucked to the keyboard | 08:23 |
seb128 | you could think that getting coffee first then going to the computer would be a lesson I would have learnt by now | 08:23 |
seb128 | but seems not :p | 08:24 |
oSoMoN | hehe | 08:25 |
oSoMoN | I have to drive my daughter to school every morning, so by the time I hit the keyboard I better be fully awake :) | 08:26 |
seb128 | :-) | 08:26 |
dednick | happyaron: ping | 08:30 |
seb128 | dednick, you might as well directly ask the question, unsure how much he's still around and others might be able to reply as well | 08:30 |
dednick | seb128: sure :) | 08:31 |
willcooke | Does anyone have access to edit the team meeting in the "UES team calendar"? | 08:31 |
willcooke | ah, I can try and change owne | 08:32 |
willcooke | r | 08:32 |
dednick | hey all, i'm looking into how you guys maintain some of your repos (network-manager in particular). Do you pull new versions direct from upstream repos, or using the tarballs with gbp? | 08:34 |
dednick | i tried to pull 1.6 manually from git.freedesktop using a remote git source but couldn't quite figure it out. | 08:37 |
dednick | gbp seemed to work a lot better but it was still a bit dodgey with some unexpected changes. Maybe need to be a bit manual and unpick some of the changes? | 08:38 |
dednick | Laney: ^ i volunteer you to answer since you've been active on the nm repo ;-) | 08:41 |
Laney | oh sorry I was distracted | 08:42 |
Laney | hi dednick | 08:42 |
Laney | you're doing nm stuff? | 08:42 |
Laney | I think I missed this memo | 08:42 |
Laney | did he just quit? | 08:44 |
* Laney has those messages off | 08:44 | |
Laney | aha | 08:44 |
dednick | doh. coffee on keyboard. | 08:44 |
dednick | bad. | 08:44 |
Laney | laptop? | 08:44 |
dednick | yeah | 08:44 |
Laney | sounds bad | 08:45 |
Laney | go drain it! | 08:45 |
dednick | luckily was just a little. going to open it up in a bit :) | 08:45 |
Laney | sooooooooooooooo what's the URL for nm? | 08:45 |
dednick | yeah. i was holding it over the sink when i went off :) | 08:45 |
dednick | Laney: git? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager | 08:46 |
dednick | otherwise https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager | 08:46 |
dednick | upstream is: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/ | 08:47 |
dednick | "i think" | 08:47 |
dednick | Laney: and it's more "familiarising" myself with desktop at the moment than actually "doing". :) | 08:49 |
Laney | there's going to be lots of different methods | 08:50 |
Laney | this looks like gbp though, but one second | 08:50 |
dednick | yeah. there is a debian/watch | 08:50 |
Laney | ah man | 09:03 |
dednick | Laney: i think i may have worked it out. to upstream/1.6.2 'gbp import-orig --uscan 1.6.2 -no-pristin-tar --no-merge' , then fix up the issues and merge back into master. | 09:03 |
Laney | looks like there's no vcs relationship with debian's branch | 09:03 |
dednick | then do pritine. | 09:03 |
dednick | Laney: yeah. it looks like a flattened fork. | 09:03 |
Laney | that's annoying | 09:03 |
Laney | I think you want to merge with their package | 09:03 |
Laney | so it's dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.6.2-3.dsc, then gbp import-dsc ../path/to/that | 09:04 |
Laney | ...in a branch... | 09:04 |
dednick | Laney: ah, do we upstream from debian rather than freedesktop? | 09:04 |
Laney | if debian already has it then take it from them | 09:04 |
dednick | ok | 09:04 |
Laney | so we get the packaging changes too | 09:05 |
dednick | and the patches. ok | 09:05 |
Laney | it's much easier if the ubuntu branch is a proper branch of theirs though | 09:05 |
Laney | then you can do a normal git merge | 09:05 |
Laney | so... what you could do as a first step if you wanted... is fix that up | 09:05 |
Laney | find the tag we based off (1.4.4-1) and mangle it so that we're a branch of that now | 09:06 |
Laney | then git merge 1.6.2-3 onto that | 09:06 |
dednick | Laney: :) true that. will main maintenance easier. | 09:06 |
Laney | don't know if that's too complicated for a first task? | 09:06 |
dednick | well, i'll give it a got. | 09:06 |
dednick | go | 09:06 |
willcooke | Laney, dednick - AFAIK we've always taken direct from upstream in the past. Not saying that's the best way, just that's what we were doing. Probably because of phone stuff. | 09:10 |
Laney | There's definitely debian merges in there | 09:10 |
Laney | and the version number being -1... and not -0... means it's a merge | 09:10 |
willcooke | hummm | 09:11 |
willcooke | interesting | 09:11 |
Laney | don't know what was added on top of that though | 09:11 |
Laney | could have been anything :) | 09:11 |
dednick | maybe cherry picking from debian? | 09:11 |
willcooke | sounds complicated | 09:12 |
dednick | but the packaging is similar... but not the same. | 09:12 |
willcooke | we should simplify as much as we can | 09:12 |
Laney | more likely cherry picking from upstream | 09:12 |
Laney | but I would expect that to be as git format-patch style patches applied with quilt | 09:12 |
dednick | also, if we want to use debian and we want to go up to 1.8 then we need to wait for debian to go to 1.8 | 09:12 |
Laney | yeh | 09:13 |
Laney | If you want to do that I would sync up with their packaging and then gbp import-orig on top of it | 09:13 |
Laney | doesn't look released atm though | 09:14 |
Laney | so probably for later | 09:14 |
dednick | yup. only 1.6 for now. | 09:18 |
Laney | doesn't look to me like there's any crazy phone stuff in there | 09:20 |
Laney | phew :) | 09:20 |
Laney | although I guess that might have been possible to drop anyway | 09:22 |
* Laney la la la | 09:22 | |
willcooke | I /think/ there were some useful patches from the phone to n-m - but that h_appyaron had started (and maybe finished) upstreaming and dropping them | 09:23 |
willcooke | there might still be a few oddities laying around | 09:24 |
* willcooke has a meeting with Foundations next week to discuss | 09:24 | |
willcooke | We should try and get the version that the people like Tony Espy are using in some snaps, and the version we are putting out for desktop in sync | 09:24 |
seb128 | sorry I missed a bit of the conversation while relocating with my laptop | 09:25 |
seb128 | but yeah, unsure if we still need the ofono integration parts | 09:25 |
Laney | I think we can afford to not make this too confusing right now | 09:27 |
Laney | a Debian merge is there and needed to be done, so try to do that and then see what happens | 09:27 |
xnox | Trevinho, hehe, i need to fix my mp, I think. | 09:30 |
xnox | for unity | 09:30 |
xnox | and for compiz there are missing files. for colorfilter stuff which is not shipped anywhere, i guess we need to ship it into some package? | 09:31 |
muktupavels | Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100 | 09:34 |
xnox | Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/lowgfx-profile-setter-no-upstart/+merge/323118 this should fix the unity build failure in the bileto landing; please review & approve. And then we can reconfigure bileto to add that branch in? | 09:48 |
xnox | looking into compiz now as well. | 09:48 |
seb128 | Trevinho, what did you ask me to review yesterday? | 09:56 |
xnox | Trevinho, please respond to https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter/+merge/320611/comments/847280 =) | 10:07 |
Laney | poor Marco | 10:08 |
willcooke | seb128, libinput - does anything change wrt/ trying to move to libinput this cycle now we're Wayland? | 10:14 |
seb128 | willcooke, GNOME is using it so we just got it for free by switching desktop even under their x11 session | 10:15 |
willcooke | \m/ | 10:15 |
* willcooke makes a note to make sure we cover it in testing | 10:15 | |
seb128 | :-) | 10:16 |
tjaalton | xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't pull -synaptics anymore | 10:18 |
seb128 | tjaalton, since when? | 10:22 |
tjaalton | yesterday | 10:23 |
chrisccoulson | talking of input. Since I upgraded to zesty, edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad. I'm pretty sure I always had it disabled in xenial, but I can't find anywhere in the control-center to disable it again | 10:24 |
chrisccoulson | Not sure if that's a gnome thing or a zesty thing, but it's really annoying | 10:25 |
seb128 | k, so unity settings wouldn't work on arful? | 10:25 |
tjaalton | not without synaptics installed | 10:25 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, it should be in u-c-c, do you have -synaptic installed | 10:26 |
seb128 | tjaalton, seems a bit backward to do the change before the desktop is ready to handle it, but I guess in practice it's fine | 10:27 |
tjaalton | oh wait | 10:27 |
chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, it's installed. I'm not using unity though, and the setting appears to no longer be in g-c-c | 10:28 |
tjaalton | I didn't upload it yet :P | 10:28 |
seb128 | lol | 10:28 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh, that's your issue then | 10:28 |
chrisccoulson | can I launch u-c-c from gnome-shell? | 10:28 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, GNOME uses libinput not synaptic | 10:28 |
chrisccoulson | ah | 10:28 |
chrisccoulson | that sucks | 10:28 |
tjaalton | chrisccoulson: remove x-x-i-synaptics | 10:28 |
seb128 | try removing -synaptics | 10:28 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, no reason you couldn't | 10:28 |
seb128 | but u-c-c talks to u-s-d which is not active | 10:29 |
seb128 | so it might not be of much use | 10:29 |
seb128 | you might also need to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity | 10:29 |
seb128 | though I think we changed u-c-c to not need that | 10:29 |
chrisccoulson | yeah, I got an empty window when I launched it | 10:29 |
seb128 | so X_C_D | 10:30 |
chrisccoulson | I guess I need to restart after removing x-x-i-synaptics? | 10:30 |
chrisccoulson | brb | 10:30 |
chrisccoulson | w00t, that worked | 10:34 |
chrisccoulson | no more edge scrolling :) | 10:34 |
seb128 | :-) | 10:37 |
seb128 | you are one of those 2 fingers scrolling people then? | 10:37 |
willcooke | represent! | 10:37 |
seb128 | just curious, does edge scrolling have any side effect? or do you trigger it by error? | 10:38 |
willcooke | I find that it's a lot less easy to trigger and a bit fiddly | 10:38 |
willcooke | two finger just works for me | 10:38 |
seb128 | yeah, I understand that some people prefer it, I was just wondering if the edge scroll had a side effect if it's on and you are not one of its users | 10:42 |
seb128 | I guess you might end up triggering scroll while trying to move the cursors and hitting the edge sometimes | 10:43 |
didrocks | 2 fingers scrolling people here |m| | 10:44 |
willcooke | yeah, I do find that when moving around the screen, as soon as I get towards the rhs of the pad then its easy to trigger scrolling | 10:45 |
willcooke | still just usability rather than a bug I suppose | 10:45 |
chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, 2 finger scrolling here. I kept triggering the edge scrolling by accident | 10:45 |
seb128 | makes sense | 10:46 |
seb128 | that said I don't use my touchpad outside the edge scrolling :p | 10:48 |
seb128 | too used to the small round in the middle of the keyboard | 10:49 |
dednick | eww. red dot of doom. | 11:03 |
dednick | mine fell off this morning. | 11:03 |
willcooke | popey, didnt you find a supplier of new nipples? | 11:03 |
jbicha | the -synaptics thing is annoying | 11:23 |
jbicha | if -synaptics is installed, GNOME's Mouse/Touchpad Settings doesn't work very well :( | 11:24 |
seb128 | yeah, it's a bit tricky | 11:24 |
jbicha | do we know what desktops still haven't switched to libinput? | 11:24 |
seb128 | we should probably put that on the list as well :p | 11:24 |
seb128 | unity | 11:24 |
seb128 | unsure about others, not easy list from from a quick googling | 11:27 |
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jbicha | is it ok to upload vala 0.36 to artful now? bug 1669253 | 14:29 |
ubot5 | bug 1669253 in vala (Ubuntu) "Update vala to 0.36" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669253 | 14:30 |
seb128 | jbicha, is that the GNOME 3.24 version? | 14:30 |
jbicha | yes, it will cause some pkgs to FTBFS but I think we should start fixing those now | 14:31 |
seb128 | I've not going to veto but I would -1 | 14:31 |
seb128 | that's the sort of strategy that leads us to have a stack of mixed transitions at the start of the cycles that are hard to get through | 14:32 |
seb128 | we might stuck the whole stack for a month again | 14:32 |
jbicha | all GNOME pkgs should build fine, it's the non-GNOME stuff that will have a problem | 14:32 |
seb128 | britney doesn't make differences between GNOME or not | 14:32 |
seb128 | it might just hit a package blocking a transition | 14:32 |
seb128 | I would rather avoid more disruption that the autosync create at the start of the cycle | 14:32 |
seb128 | but that's me | 14:32 |
seb128 | if you think it's important enough to risk it feel free | 14:33 |
jbicha | the transition itself should be easy (the only pkgs affected are anjuta, gnome-builder, valabind and valadoc) | 14:33 |
seb128 | well if you are confident | 14:33 |
seb128 | what are the benefits of doing it now? | 14:33 |
seb128 | instead of waiting for the initial sync round to be sorted out? | 14:33 |
seb128 | I don't think we are short on merges to do and such yet? | 14:34 |
jbicha | I have no problem with waiting for the first autosync, if you think that might be better | 14:34 |
seb128 | I would do that just to be on the safe side | 14:35 |
seb128 | happy for Laney or others to state their position though | 14:35 |
Laney | hi | 14:35 |
seb128 | hey Laney :-) | 14:35 |
Laney | any reason not to stay in sync by going via exp? | 14:35 |
seb128 | basically jbicha is +1 and I'm -1 so need somebody else to untie :p | 14:35 |
jbicha | the first autosync should be fairly quiet since Debian unstable is quiet | 14:36 |
Laney | autosyncs aren't on yet, if that makes a difference | 14:36 |
jbicha | exp is fine with me although pkg-gnome hasn't really started on 3.24 yet | 14:37 |
seb128 | my preference is easy syncs & merges first, get archive to settle then add extra transitions one by one | 14:37 |
seb128 | we all know how it can turn with mixed transitions | 14:37 |
Laney | i'm ok with that | 14:38 |
seb128 | anyway, that's my position, not going to veto if somebody want to step it and take responsability to deal with extra work created | 14:38 |
Laney | i'll sponsor it to experimental, ping me once it's in svn | 14:38 |
jbicha | ok | 14:39 |
Laney | and other 3.24 things unless someone cries | 14:39 |
jbicha | Laney: are you interested in sponsoring mozjs38 into Debian new? | 14:39 |
Laney | dunno | 14:40 |
Laney | isn't there a new one? | 14:40 |
seb128 | jbicha, i'm starting to review your shotwell update btw | 14:40 |
Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log | 14:40 |
Laney | there's a list of what will happen at the end there | 14:40 |
Laney | if you're interested | 14:40 |
jbicha | gnome-shell 3.24 needs mozjs38; 3.26 will probably need mozjs52 so hopefully mozjs38 will never be in Debian stable | 14:41 |
seb128 | Laney, do you know why we didn't do it yet? | 14:41 |
Laney | nope | 14:41 |
seb128 | we used to have "new archive open," or "toolchain news" on ubuntu-devel@ | 14:41 |
Laney | snakefruit had a release upgrade yesterday, maybe they were waiting for after that | 14:41 |
seb128 | not such info this cycle that I saw | 14:41 |
seb128 | no* | 14:42 |
Laney | yeh | 14:42 |
Laney | it got opened but I didn't see that announced | 14:42 |
seb128 | I didn't even notice we had a name until yesterday | 14:42 |
Laney | jbicha: so I'm interested if it's used | 14:42 |
Laney | if we skip to 52 and have to do the NEW dance again, not so much | 14:42 |
Laney | like if you want to get gnome-shell 3.24 in experimental and there's a moderate chance it'll see the light of day in unstable | 14:44 |
Laney | I guess you should check with the current mozjs maintainer first too | 14:45 |
jbicha | Laney: I talked with him in December but then he stopped answering my emails | 14:46 |
Laney | heh | 14:46 |
jbicha | he wasn't thrilled about maintaining mozjs38 though | 14:47 |
Laney | ok, well it doesn't seem super urgent to me | 14:47 |
Laney | we can take time to figure out maintenance and versioning | 14:47 |
jbicha | mozjs38 not being in Debian isn't causing Ubuntu any problems | 14:48 |
jbicha | GNOME 3.26 will be out in September; Stretch should be released before then but it wouldn't hurt Debian to wait a few more weeks for a newer GNOME | 14:49 |
jbicha | Cinnamon might need mozjs38 for a few months since they are following GNOME | 14:50 |
Laney | 'k, well something will force the issue at some point | 14:54 |
willcooke | Not going to make the unmeeting now - on a call | 15:02 |
Laney | man | 15:03 |
Laney | nobody likes the unmeeting | 15:04 |
kenvandine | Laney, i'm trying | 15:04 |
kenvandine | talky.io is angry because i don't have a camera on the box i'm using atm | 15:04 |
kenvandine | i guess a mic isn't enough... | 15:05 |
Laney | oh :-o | 15:06 |
ricotz | jbicha, throw mozjs back to chrisccoulson ;P | 15:16 |
willcooke | seb128, Laney - I'm going to be on this call for a bit longer - would one of you mind chairing the meeting today? Sorry | 15:26 |
* seb128 plays not being the first to reply | 15:26 | |
seb128 | k, Laney beats me at this game | 15:29 |
seb128 | willcooke, I can do | 15:29 |
willcooke | :) thanks seb128 | 15:29 |
Laney | muhahahah | 15:29 |
willcooke | well played Laney | 15:29 |
seb128 | yw | 15:29 |
seb128 | :-p | 15:29 |
Laney | was busy unmeetinging | 15:29 |
seb128 | oh, others joined you? good | 15:30 |
seb128 | #startmeeting | 15:30 |
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andyrock | o/ | 15:30 |
tkamppeter | hi | 15:30 |
seb128 | let's see if I can figure the list of people to ping | 15:31 |
Laney | I got to see the face of didrocks | 15:31 |
Laney | it's been too long | 15:31 |
jbicha | o/ | 15:31 |
oSoMoN | o/ | 15:31 |
* kenvandine waves | 15:31 | |
Laney | are you doing a round or what? | 15:31 |
didrocks | Laney: with the new haircut of the week-end, what a priviledge :-) /me hugs you | 15:31 |
Laney | if so... | 15:31 |
seb128 | andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out) | 15:31 |
seb128 | Laney, yeah, see email from wil_lcooke from this morning | 15:32 |
seb128 | if people don't have weekly notes it's fine but let's do a quick round and then aob | 15:32 |
seb128 | ok, let's start | 15:32 |
seb128 | andyrock, hey :-) | 15:32 |
andyrock | hey | 15:32 |
andyrock | #1 Working on Chromium on Mir (waiting from mir team to add gbm bo import, so started to add input support) | 15:33 |
andyrock | #2 Reviews | 15:33 |
andyrock | #3 eow | 15:33 |
seb128 | thanks andyrock | 15:34 |
seb128 | #topic dgadomski | 15:34 |
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dgadomski | hey | 15:34 |
seb128 | dgadomski, hey, still around? (a bit difficult to keep track of status) | 15:34 |
dgadomski | yep, still here | 15:35 |
dgadomski | * looking into do-release-upgrade conflict with landscape - will report an lp bug about that | 15:35 |
dgadomski | * examining a wifi issue related to some cisco blocking Wifi Direct capable devices - looking for a way to disable this capability | 15:35 |
dgadomski | eof | 15:35 |
seb128 | good to see you are still around :-) | 15:35 |
seb128 | thanks dgadomski | 15:35 |
dgadomski | likewise :) | 15:35 |
seb128 | #topic kenvandine | 15:35 |
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kenvandine | * jbicha filed most of the MIRs, I filed the last couple that are minimally required for gnome-shell. gjs and mozjs38 MIRs have been forwarded to security for review. | 15:35 |
kenvandine | * I have branches for gnome-online-accounts and gnome-shell which drop some recommends to suggests to make our list shorter for our first round, these have also been uploaded to the PPA for testing. Some of these I think should be moved back to recommends, but lets get the minimum list of MIRs approved before we attack those. | 15:35 |
kenvandine | * lightdm vs gdm3, there has been some good discussion on the mailing list but no decision. I think it's safe to assume we should stick with lightdm for our initial seeding of gnome-shell until we can sort out the longer term plans. | 15:35 |
seb128 | kenvandine, hey, welcome back! | 15:35 |
kenvandine | * QUESTION: Does anyone know how we can build images from a seed in the PPA? | 15:35 |
kenvandine | thanks! | 15:35 |
seb128 | kenvandine, +1 on lightdm to start | 15:36 |
seb128 | I don't know about image build | 15:36 |
seb128 | Laney might? | 15:36 |
Laney | Probably | 15:36 |
kenvandine | i'll pester Laney after the meeting then :) | 15:36 |
Laney | It's a fair bit of work though | 15:36 |
kenvandine | i'd like to build an image with gnome-shell and without unity to test | 15:37 |
seb128 | sounds good, just use the channel, others (including me) might be interesting to learn | 15:37 |
kenvandine | EOF | 15:37 |
Laney | I don't think I'd bother personally | 15:37 |
kenvandine | ok then | 15:37 |
Laney | The touch stuff was built with a PPA | 15:37 |
Laney | but that was expected to be long lived | 15:37 |
kenvandine | i guess we can test it in artful soonish then :) | 15:37 |
kenvandine | i'll look at changes to the seed and share a diff | 15:37 |
kenvandine | seb128, that's it for me | 15:38 |
seb128 | thanks kenvandine | 15:38 |
Laney | I'd just do some pre-test iterations in there and then whack it in the release | 15:38 |
Laney | personally ;-) | 15:38 |
seb128 | +1 on that | 15:38 |
Laney | and continue to use it for crack testing when dropping patches and things | 15:38 |
seb128 | kenvandine, sounds good to you as well? | 15:39 |
kenvandine | yup | 15:39 |
seb128 | good, let's get moving then | 15:39 |
Laney | sweet | 15:39 |
seb128 | adding jbicha to the list | 15:39 |
seb128 | #topic jbicha | 15:39 |
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seb128 | jbicha, hey | 15:39 |
jbicha | hi! | 15:39 |
jbicha | - Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List and started the paperwork for several of the MIRs | 15:39 |
jbicha | - Started ubuntu-desktop list topics for default email client, GNOME 3.26 | 15:40 |
jbicha | - Worked on GNOME 3.24.1 SRUs for Zesty | 15:40 |
jbicha | - Worked on evolution 3.24 (LP: #1685683), still needs some work | 15:40 |
ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1685683 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "Update evolution to 3.24.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685683 | 15:40 |
jbicha | - Worked on shotwell 0.26 (LP: #1581180) | 15:40 |
ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1581180 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Update to Shotwell 0.26" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581180 | 15:40 |
jbicha | - Tagged some bugs with 'wayland' and 'gnome-17.10' | 15:40 |
jbicha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 | 15:40 |
jbicha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland | 15:40 |
jbicha | EOF | 15:40 |
seb128 | thanks jbicha, good working on starting those discussions and lists | 15:40 |
kenvandine | yeah, thanks jbicha! | 15:40 |
seb128 | I'm going to have a look to your shotwell diff today or tomorrow | 15:40 |
seb128 | next is Laney | 15:41 |
seb128 | #topic Laney | 15:41 |
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seb128 | Laney, hey | 15:41 |
Laney | one sec | 15:41 |
Laney | got interrupted ;-) | 15:41 |
seb128 | no problem, should I just come back to you later? | 15:42 |
Laney | nope | 15:42 |
seb128 | k | 15:42 |
Laney | here we go | 15:42 |
Laney | • Some things from the last 3 weeks? | 15:42 |
Laney | • Released zesty | 15:42 |
Laney | • Fixed a dkms bug that was breaking module compilation on upgrade (that got merged upstream) | 15:42 |
Laney | • Worked a bit on archive opening | 15:42 |
Laney | ∘ appstream → needed some slight tweaks to freeze zesty, should be good now | 15:42 |
Laney | ∘ autopkgtest → figured out how to initialise everything, wrote a small patch for the LXD image creator to dist-upgrade zesty → artful before there were proper artful releases (there are now) | 15:42 |
Laney | ‣ Wrote some documentation in my notepad for the wiki, need to type that up now. (bus factor--) | 15:43 |
Laney | • Some feedback to QA about the current state / what would be good to test in the future | 15:43 |
Laney | • Investigated problems with ubuntu-image's github <-> autopkgtest.u.c communication. Turned out that it was using an API token from someone who has left the company :/ | 15:43 |
Laney | • Worked on rebasing gnome-shell/ubuntu-master onto master - autotools is dropped there so ported our stuff to meson. Still in progress, but nearly done. | 15:43 |
Laney | ⚰ | 15:43 |
seb128 | thanks Laney! | 15:43 |
seb128 | next oSoMoN | 15:44 |
seb128 | #topic oSoMoN | 15:44 |
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oSoMoN | hey | 15:44 |
oSoMoN | I’ve taken over chromium-browser packaging, just in time for a new upstream release (58.0.3029.81). All built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages and handed over to security team for validation. | 15:44 |
oSoMoN | I’ve also packaged the next release (59) in a separate PPA for all supported releases, currently building (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages). | 15:44 |
oSoMoN | I am now doing some bug triaging/cleanup at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser (have been mass-closing very old crash reports). | 15:44 |
oSoMoN | That's all from me for now | 15:44 |
jbicha | Laney: that's gnome-software/master not gnome-shell, right? | 15:44 |
Laney | yes | 15:44 |
Laney | you know | 15:44 |
seb128 | seems quite some good work there | 15:44 |
Laney | I wrote gnome-shell on my notepad | 15:44 |
Laney | and then scribbled it out and wrote software | 15:44 |
seb128 | thanks oSoMoN | 15:44 |
Laney | and then I went and typed gnome-shell | 15:44 |
Laney | weird | 15:44 |
seb128 | lol, thanks for catching that jbicha | 15:45 |
seb128 | I though Laney took on gnome-shell :-) | 15:45 |
seb128 | #topic seb128 | 15:45 |
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seb128 | • 17.04 testing & post release launcher/e.u.c bugs review&triaging | 15:45 |
seb128 | • some catching up on GNOME world | 15:45 |
seb128 | • participated at several discussions about the (GNOME mostly) work to be done this cycle | 15:45 |
seb128 | </week> | 15:45 |
seb128 | bah | 15:45 |
seb128 | launcher->launchpad typo in the first item | 15:45 |
seb128 | #topic tkamppeter | 15:45 |
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seb128 | tkamppeter, hey | 15:46 |
Laney | no but I did work on build fixes for gnome-shell/mutter in jhbuild (some linker change), forgot to mention that | 15:46 |
tkamppeter | - ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Discovered a lot of bugs and room for improvement when starting to patch avahi for broadcasting localhost services locally. A lot of testing and fixing, especially for clean shutdown, stop DNS-SD advertising on shutdown or printer unplug, made it robust against restarting avahi-daemon, ... After all remaining fixes done I plan to issue the next release. | 15:46 |
tkamppeter | - Google Summer of Code 2017: The Linux Foundation got 11 slots, we use 7 for OpenPrinting, 2 for LSB, and 2 for WireGuard. Slot count determined mainly by the availability of mentors. | 15:46 |
tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 15:46 |
seb128 | tkamppeter, did you get to try the GNOME printing tools to see how they compared to s-c-p yet? | 15:47 |
tkamppeter | Not yet. | 15:47 |
seb128 | k | 15:48 |
seb128 | thanks tkamppeter | 15:48 |
seb128 | #topic Trevinho | 15:48 |
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seb128 | Trevinho, still awake? | 15:48 |
tkamppeter | seb128, I fear that s-c-p is till much more powerful. | 15:48 |
jbicha | nice typo :) | 15:48 |
seb128 | lol | 15:49 |
oSoMoN | :) | 15:49 |
seb128 | tkamppeter, well, it's a standalone UI so it would be easy to keep using it under GNOME if we want | 15:49 |
seb128 | not Trevinho I guess | 15:50 |
seb128 | (sorry if you sent summaries to willcooke, didn't got those fwded if that's the case | 15:50 |
seb128 | #topic robert_ancell | 15:50 |
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seb128 | same for robert_ancell | 15:50 |
seb128 | #topic aob | 15:50 |
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seb128 | other topics? | 15:50 |
kenvandine | do we have anyone going to guadec? | 15:51 |
seb128 | good question | 15:52 |
seb128 | not that I know | 15:52 |
seb128 | not sure if we have official company time/budget, question for willcooke I guess | 15:52 |
seb128 | I expect some of us are going to go but I don't know if anyone signed up/decided yet | 15:52 |
kenvandine | ok | 15:52 |
seb128 | jbicha, was there any GNOME work topic we wanted to discuss here? | 15:53 |
seb128 | we still need to set up a proper meeting where .au members can join | 15:53 |
seb128 | but we can discuss some small things here if we want | 15:54 |
jbicha | I don't think I have anything else specifically for today's meeting | 15:55 |
seb128 | good, we can still discuss things on the channel outside meeting time anyway | 15:55 |
seb128 | let's wrap then | 15:55 |
seb128 | thanks everyone! | 15:56 |
seb128 | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:56:03 2017 UTC. | 15:56 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-04-25-15.30.moin.txt | 15:56 |
jbicha | oSoMoN: thanks for picking up chromium maintenance, does 59 switch to gtk3? | 15:57 |
seb128 | oSoMoN, let us know on channel or list if you need testers for the ppa, there are probably a bunch of us who would be happy to help with that :-) | 15:59 |
jbicha | I see there's an old team/ppas at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily maybe it makes sense for you to get access and use those ppas? | 15:59 |
seb128 | +1 | 16:01 |
willcooke | back, and reading backloh | 16:01 |
seb128 | k, need to relocate, that place is closing | 16:01 |
seb128 | back online in 10min or so | 16:01 |
jbicha | kenvandine: I'm merging your gnome-shell changes, adding a few more demotions to suggests and then I'll probably go ahead and upload | 16:02 |
kenvandine | jbicha, cool | 16:02 |
kenvandine | jbicha, i'd like to eventually get back to recommending chrome-gnome-extension and switcheroo-control | 16:02 |
kenvandine | but i think switcheroo-control is only useful with gdm3 atm right? | 16:03 |
jbicha | kenvandine: I don't think switcheroo-control has anything to do with gdm but I don't have hybrid graphics to check | 16:03 |
kenvandine | and chrome-gnome-extension won't be a simple MIR, but i think we really want it | 16:03 |
kenvandine | jbicha, i think if you have hybrid graphics gdm3 gives you an option to switch | 16:03 |
kenvandine | at least based on my limited investigation | 16:04 |
kenvandine | i don't have hybrid either | 16:04 |
kenvandine | it seems to let you switch before logging in | 16:04 |
kenvandine | afaict | 16:04 |
jbicha | http://www.hadess.net/2016/10/dual-gpu-integration-in-gnome.html | 16:04 |
willcooke | desktoppers - GUADEC approval is in progress. Watch this space | 16:05 |
Menzador | What's this about GUADEC approval mate? willcooke | 16:28 |
willcooke | Menzador, getting Canonicallers to GUADEC | 16:28 |
Menzador | Ah! That would be helpful :) | 16:29 |
Laney | chrisccoulson: you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1683997 ? | 16:32 |
ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1683997 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox scrollbars are too narrow and difficult to use in Zesty" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:32 |
jbicha | tjaalton: for bug 1417980, maybe we shouldn't close Unity 7 bugs as long as Unity 7 will still be in universe? | 16:52 |
ubot5 | bug 1417980 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add support for unified Xorg input driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417980 | 16:52 |
Laney | gonna jet out of here | 16:56 |
Laney | see you tomorrow! | 16:56 |
* willcooke follows | 17:04 | |
willcooke | night all | 17:04 |
willcooke | oh | 17:04 |
willcooke | no | 17:04 |
willcooke | I've got a meeting at 9pm | 17:04 |
willcooke | I'll be back later | 17:04 |
tjaalton | jbicha: what difference would that make? no-one is going to fix that | 17:11 |
tjaalton | and 1686081 should be moved to u-s-d, it should depend on -synaptics now | 17:12 |
tjaalton | as unity is the only DE that doesn't support -libinput | 17:12 |
jbicha | if no one is going to fix Unity 7 issues, then I think it would be better to remove Unity 7 from Ubuntu… | 17:12 |
tjaalton | I've tried to get this fixed for two years.. | 17:13 |
jbicha | is it possible to get Unity to bundle synaptics in a way that will allow unity-settings-daemon to work but not cause issues for gnome-settings-daemon? | 17:14 |
tjaalton | don't see how | 17:14 |
jbicha | I wonder how badly Unity 7 would be broken if it switched to g-s-d, g-c-c… | 17:15 |
tjaalton | no idea | 17:16 |
muktupavels | very badly? for example Display settings in g-c-c needs org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig dbus name to change / see display configuration... | 17:19 |
* oSoMoN EOD | 17:24 | |
oSoMoN | good night everyone! | 17:24 |
sarnold | oh boy if we could remove every package that's had bugs untouched for two years.. :) | 17:50 |
jbicha | the specific bug here is LP: #1686081 | 18:01 |
ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1686081 in xorg (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081 | 18:01 |
jbicha | hey, Unity runs with gnome-settings-daemon, you were right about the Displays panel being useless but at least it doesn't crash or anything | 18:09 |
jbicha | I think it's a good trade-off to drop unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center but let's see what the others thing | 18:10 |
muktupavels | how Unity users will configure their displays? | 18:11 |
muktupavels | does keybindings works? | 18:12 |
muktupavels | over time there many things from gcc or gsd has been moved to mutter. | 18:12 |
jbicha | keybindings seem to work but I'm using VBox | 18:14 |
jbicha | Unity users will have to find a developer that cares enough to come up with some way to configure displays on Unity | 18:15 |
muktupavels | I dont use Unity so it does not affect me. :) | 18:16 |
jbicha | but I think it's better than breaking Mouse & Touchpad settings in the default install because someone was curious to see how well Unity works in 18.04 | 18:16 |
muktupavels | how did you test that it works with gsd and gcc? | 18:18 |
jbicha | well I hacked it to work, I just have to figure out if this is appropriate to push to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome | 18:18 |
jbicha | or if I should use a 2nd ppa for it | 18:18 |
jbicha | wait, I missed a step… | 18:20 |
muktupavels | is there a way to kill usd in unity settings? if I kill it it is restarted. | 18:20 |
muktupavels | in unity session... | 18:21 |
jbicha | this will take some more time… | 18:22 |
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willcooke | morning robert_ancell | 19:57 |
robert_ancell | willcooke, hi | 19:58 |
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willcooke | night all | 21:01 |
a1fa | how do you force the instller into ncurses mode | 21:03 |
a1fa | nomodeset* worked for me | 21:06 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Thanks for the article link dude. | 21:34 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Oh yeah I know about Alex. | 21:34 |
jbicha | TheMuso: good morning | 22:44 |
TheMuso | jbicha: Hey dude, hope all is well. | 23:11 |
robert_ancell | jbicha, hmm, if I switch DM to GDM I just get a black screen. Is there anything special I have to do on 17.04? | 23:27 |
jbicha | :( | 23:28 |
jbicha | what graphics drivers are you using? | 23:29 |
robert_ancell | jbicha, intel | 23:29 |
robert_ancell | I tried disabling Wayland and enabling debug but no change | 23:30 |
jbicha | I don't know then | 23:31 |
jbicha | I was waiting for the first round of Zesty SRUs to get promoted out of -proposed before updating gdm3 and gnome-session to 3.24.1 | 23:32 |
jbicha | I figured it wasn't good to change too many parts of the critical GNOME infrastructure all at once | 23:32 |
robert_ancell | :) | 23:33 |
robert_ancell | jbicha, but as far as you know, just installing gdm/gnome-shell on 17.04 should be sufficient to boot to a GNOME desktop? | 23:33 |
jbicha | that's supposed to work, it's possible that there's a missing dependency since most people tested with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed | 23:34 |
jbicha | I'm trying now to see what happens… | 23:37 |
robert_ancell | ah, I was looking for the appropriate metapackage - installing that now | 23:38 |
jbicha | robert_ancell: it looks like I can confirm that issue :( | 23:52 |
robert_ancell | jbicha, but it doesn't occur with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed? | 23:52 |
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