[08:03] <Laney> hi
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:04] <Laney> what's new?
[08:05] <didrocks> not much, you? :)
[08:05] <willcooke> morning
[08:06] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:07] <didrocks> uk is on one after another
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney davmor2 willcooke, how is u.k today?
[08:11] <willcooke> cold and sunny
[08:11] <seb128> it's better than cold & wet
[08:11] <davmor2> Very cold and sunny
[08:12] <willcooke> It got down to zero last night
[08:18] <dednick> good morning!
[08:18] <seb128> hey dednick! how are you?
[08:19] <seb128> good to see you saying hey on the channel :-)
[08:19] <dednick> seb128: good thanks and you? :)
[08:19] <seb128> do you find your way around desktop team world? ;-)
[08:19] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:20] <seb128> we have a bit of sun today which is nice
[08:20] <dednick> seb128: giving it my best. all new and shiny :)
[08:20] <dednick> yes, it's nice here as well. might have some breakfast in the garden.
[08:20] <oSoMoN> good morning all
[08:21] <seb128> hey oSoMoN!
[08:22] <seb128> how is it going?
[08:22] <oSoMoN> not too bad, thanks, how are you?
[08:23] <seb128> I'm good, not fully awake yet, I start directly on the computer and got stucked to the keyboard
[08:23] <seb128> you could think that getting coffee first then going to the computer would be a lesson I would have learnt by now
[08:24] <seb128> but seems not :p
[08:25] <oSoMoN>  hehe
[08:26] <oSoMoN> I have to drive my daughter to school every morning, so by the time I hit the keyboard I better be fully awake :)
[08:26] <seb128> :-)
[08:30] <dednick> happyaron: ping
[08:30] <seb128> dednick, you might as well directly ask the question, unsure how much he's still around and others might be able to reply as well
[08:31] <dednick> seb128: sure :)
[08:31] <willcooke> Does anyone have access to edit the team meeting in the "UES team calendar"?
[08:32] <willcooke> ah, I can try and change owne
[08:32] <willcooke> r
[08:34] <dednick> hey all, i'm looking into how you guys maintain some of your repos (network-manager in particular). Do you pull new versions direct from upstream repos, or using the tarballs with gbp?
[08:37] <dednick> i tried to pull 1.6 manually from git.freedesktop using a remote git source but couldn't quite figure it out.
[08:38] <dednick> gbp seemed to work a lot better but it was still a bit dodgey with some unexpected changes. Maybe need to be a bit manual and unpick some of the changes?
[08:41] <dednick> Laney: ^ i volunteer you to answer since you've been active on the nm repo ;-)
[08:42] <Laney> oh sorry I was distracted
[08:42] <Laney> hi dednick
[08:42] <Laney> you're doing nm stuff?
[08:42] <Laney> I think I missed this memo
[08:44] <Laney> did he just quit?
[08:44]  * Laney has those messages off
[08:44] <Laney> aha
[08:44] <dednick> doh. coffee on keyboard.
[08:44] <dednick> bad.
[08:44] <Laney> laptop?
[08:44] <dednick> yeah
[08:45] <Laney> sounds bad
[08:45] <Laney> go drain it!
[08:45] <dednick> luckily was just a little. going to open it up in a bit :)
[08:45] <Laney> sooooooooooooooo what's the URL for nm?
[08:45] <dednick> yeah. i was holding it over the sink when i went off :)
[08:46] <dednick> Laney: git? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager
[08:46] <dednick> otherwise https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager
[08:47] <dednick> upstream is: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/
[08:47] <dednick> "i think"
[08:49] <dednick> Laney: and it's more "familiarising" myself with desktop at the moment than actually "doing". :)
[08:50] <Laney> there's going to be lots of different methods
[08:50] <Laney> this looks like gbp though, but one second
[08:50] <dednick> yeah. there is a debian/watch
[09:03] <Laney> ah man
[09:03] <dednick> Laney: i think i may have worked it out. to upstream/1.6.2  'gbp import-orig --uscan 1.6.2 -no-pristin-tar --no-merge' , then fix up the issues and merge back into master.
[09:03] <Laney> looks like there's no vcs relationship with debian's branch
[09:03] <dednick> then do pritine.
[09:03] <dednick> Laney: yeah. it looks like a flattened fork.
[09:03] <Laney> that's annoying
[09:03] <Laney> I think you want to merge with their package
[09:04] <Laney> so it's dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.6.2-3.dsc, then gbp import-dsc ../path/to/that
[09:04] <Laney> ...in a branch...
[09:04] <dednick> Laney: ah, do we upstream from debian rather than freedesktop?
[09:04] <Laney> if debian already has it then take it from them
[09:04] <dednick> ok
[09:05] <Laney> so we get the packaging changes too
[09:05] <dednick> and the patches. ok
[09:05] <Laney> it's much easier if the ubuntu branch is a proper branch of theirs though
[09:05] <Laney> then you can do a normal git merge
[09:05] <Laney> so... what you could do as a first step if you wanted... is fix that up
[09:06] <Laney> find the tag we based off (1.4.4-1) and mangle it so that we're a branch of that now
[09:06] <Laney> then git merge 1.6.2-3 onto that
[09:06] <dednick> Laney: :) true that. will main maintenance easier.
[09:06] <Laney> don't know if that's too complicated for a first task?
[09:06] <dednick> well, i'll give it a got.
[09:06] <dednick> go
[09:10] <willcooke> Laney, dednick - AFAIK we've always taken direct from upstream in the past.  Not saying that's the best way, just that's what we were doing.  Probably because of phone stuff.
[09:10] <Laney> There's definitely debian merges in there
[09:10] <Laney> and the version number being -1... and not -0... means it's a merge
[09:11] <willcooke> hummm
[09:11] <willcooke> interesting
[09:11] <Laney> don't know what was added on top of that though
[09:11] <Laney> could have been anything :)
[09:11] <dednick> maybe cherry picking from debian?
[09:12] <willcooke> sounds complicated
[09:12] <dednick> but the packaging is similar... but not the same.
[09:12] <willcooke> we should simplify as much as we can
[09:12] <Laney> more likely cherry picking from upstream
[09:12] <Laney> but I would expect that to be as git format-patch style patches applied with quilt
[09:12] <dednick> also, if we want to use debian and we want to go up to 1.8 then we need to wait for debian to go to 1.8
[09:13] <Laney> yeh
[09:13] <Laney> If you want to do that I would sync up with their packaging and then gbp import-orig on top of it
[09:14] <Laney> doesn't look released atm though
[09:14] <Laney> so probably for later
[09:18] <dednick> yup. only 1.6 for now.
[09:20] <Laney> doesn't look to me like there's any crazy phone stuff in there
[09:20] <Laney> phew :)
[09:22] <Laney> although I guess that might have been possible to drop anyway
[09:22]  * Laney la la la
[09:23] <willcooke> I /think/ there were some useful patches from the phone to n-m - but that h_appyaron had started (and maybe finished) upstreaming and dropping them
[09:24] <willcooke> there might still be a few oddities laying around
[09:24]  * willcooke has a meeting with Foundations next week to discuss
[09:24] <willcooke> We should try and get the version that the people like Tony Espy are using in some snaps, and the version we are putting out for desktop in sync
[09:25] <seb128> sorry I missed a bit of the conversation while relocating with my laptop
[09:25] <seb128> but yeah, unsure if we still need the ofono integration parts
[09:27] <Laney> I think we can afford to not make this too confusing right now
[09:27] <Laney> a Debian merge is there and needed to be done, so try to do that and then see what happens
[09:30] <xnox> Trevinho, hehe, i need to fix my mp, I think.
[09:30] <xnox> for unity
[09:31] <xnox> and for compiz there are missing files. for colorfilter stuff which is not shipped anywhere, i guess we need to ship it into some package?
[09:34] <muktupavels> Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100
[09:48] <xnox> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/lowgfx-profile-setter-no-upstart/+merge/323118 this should fix the unity build failure in the bileto landing; please review & approve. And then we can reconfigure bileto to add that branch in?
[09:48] <xnox> looking into compiz now as well.
[09:56] <seb128> Trevinho, what did you ask me to review yesterday?
[10:07] <xnox> Trevinho, please respond to https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter/+merge/320611/comments/847280 =)
[10:08] <Laney> poor Marco
[10:14] <willcooke> seb128, libinput - does anything change wrt/ trying to move to libinput this cycle now we're Wayland?
[10:15] <seb128> willcooke, GNOME is using it so we just got it for free by switching desktop even under their x11 session
[10:15] <willcooke> \m/
[10:15]  * willcooke makes a note to make sure we cover it in testing
[10:16] <seb128> :-)
[10:18] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't pull -synaptics anymore
[10:22] <seb128> tjaalton, since when?
[10:23] <tjaalton> yesterday
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> talking of input. Since I upgraded to zesty, edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad. I'm pretty sure I always had it disabled in xenial, but I can't find anywhere in the control-center to disable it again
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> Not sure if that's a gnome thing or a zesty thing, but it's really annoying
[10:25] <seb128> k, so unity settings wouldn't work on arful?
[10:25] <tjaalton> not without synaptics installed
[10:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it should be in u-c-c, do you have -synaptic installed
[10:27] <seb128> tjaalton, seems a bit backward to do the change before the desktop is ready to handle it, but I guess in practice it's fine
[10:27] <tjaalton> oh wait
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's installed. I'm not using unity though, and the setting appears to no longer be in g-c-c
[10:28] <tjaalton> I didn't upload it yet :P
[10:28] <seb128> lol
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, that's your issue then
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> can I launch u-c-c from gnome-shell?
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, GNOME uses libinput not synaptic
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> ah
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> that sucks
[10:28] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: remove x-x-i-synaptics
[10:28] <seb128> try removing -synaptics
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no reason you couldn't
[10:29] <seb128> but u-c-c talks to u-s-d which is not active
[10:29] <seb128> so it might not be of much use
[10:29] <seb128> you might also need to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity
[10:29] <seb128> though I think we changed u-c-c to not need that
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah, I got an empty window when I launched it
[10:30] <seb128> so X_C_D
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> I guess I need to restart after removing x-x-i-synaptics?
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> brb
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> w00t, that worked
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> no more edge scrolling :)
[10:37] <seb128> :-)
[10:37] <seb128> you are one of those 2 fingers scrolling people then?
[10:37] <willcooke> represent!
[10:38] <seb128> just curious, does edge scrolling have any side effect? or do you trigger it by error?
[10:38] <willcooke> I find that it's a lot less easy to trigger and a bit fiddly
[10:38] <willcooke> two finger just works for me
[10:42] <seb128> yeah, I understand that some people prefer it, I was just wondering if the edge scroll had a side effect if it's on and you are not one of its users
[10:43] <seb128> I guess you might end up triggering scroll while trying to move the cursors and hitting the edge sometimes
[10:44] <didrocks> 2 fingers scrolling people here |m|
[10:45] <willcooke> yeah, I do find that when moving around the screen, as soon as I get towards the rhs of the pad then its easy to trigger scrolling
[10:45] <willcooke> still just usability rather than a bug I suppose
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, 2 finger scrolling here. I kept triggering the edge scrolling by accident
[10:46] <seb128> makes sense
[10:48] <seb128> that said I don't use my touchpad outside the edge scrolling :p
[10:49] <seb128> too used to the small round in the middle of the keyboard
[11:03] <dednick> eww. red dot of doom.
[11:03] <dednick> mine fell off this morning.
[11:03] <willcooke> popey, didnt you find a supplier of new nipples?
[11:23] <jbicha> the -synaptics thing is annoying
[11:24] <jbicha> if -synaptics is installed, GNOME's Mouse/Touchpad Settings doesn't work very well :(
[11:24] <seb128> yeah, it's a bit tricky
[11:24] <jbicha> do we know what desktops still haven't switched to libinput?
[11:24] <seb128> we should probably put that on the list as well :p
[11:24] <seb128> unity
[11:27] <seb128> unsure about others, not easy list from from a quick googling
[14:29] <jbicha> is it ok to upload vala 0.36 to artful now? bug 1669253
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, is that the GNOME 3.24 version?
[14:31] <jbicha> yes, it will cause some pkgs to FTBFS but I think we should start fixing those now
[14:31] <seb128> I've not going to veto but I would -1
[14:32] <seb128> that's the sort of strategy that leads us to have a stack of mixed transitions at the start of the cycles that are hard to get through
[14:32] <seb128> we might stuck the whole stack for a month again
[14:32] <jbicha> all GNOME pkgs should build fine, it's the non-GNOME stuff that will have a problem
[14:32] <seb128> britney doesn't make differences between GNOME or not
[14:32] <seb128> it might just hit a package blocking a transition
[14:32] <seb128> I would rather avoid more disruption that the autosync create at the start of the cycle
[14:32] <seb128> but that's me
[14:33] <seb128> if you think it's important enough to risk it feel free
[14:33] <jbicha> the transition itself should be easy (the only pkgs affected are anjuta, gnome-builder, valabind and valadoc)
[14:33] <seb128> well if you are confident
[14:33] <seb128> what are the benefits of doing it now?
[14:33] <seb128> instead of waiting for the initial sync round to be sorted out?
[14:34] <seb128> I don't think we are short on merges to do and such yet?
[14:34] <jbicha> I have no problem with waiting for the first autosync, if you think that might be better
[14:35] <seb128> I would do that just to be on the safe side
[14:35] <seb128> happy for Laney or others to state their position though
[14:35] <Laney> hi
[14:35] <seb128> hey Laney :-)
[14:35] <Laney> any reason not to stay in sync by going via exp?
[14:35] <seb128> basically jbicha is +1 and I'm -1 so need somebody else to untie :p
[14:36] <jbicha> the first autosync should be fairly quiet since Debian unstable is quiet
[14:36] <Laney> autosyncs aren't on yet, if that makes a difference
[14:37] <jbicha> exp is fine with me although pkg-gnome hasn't really started on 3.24 yet
[14:37] <seb128> my preference is easy syncs & merges first, get archive to settle then add extra transitions one by one
[14:37] <seb128> we all know how it can turn with mixed transitions
[14:38] <Laney> i'm ok with that
[14:38] <seb128> anyway, that's my position, not going to veto if somebody want to step it and take responsability to deal with extra work created
[14:38] <Laney> i'll sponsor it to experimental, ping me once it's in svn
[14:39] <jbicha> ok
[14:39] <Laney> and other 3.24 things unless someone cries
[14:39] <jbicha> Laney: are you interested in sponsoring mozjs38 into Debian new?
[14:40] <Laney> dunno
[14:40] <Laney> isn't there a new one?
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, i'm starting to review your shotwell update btw
[14:40] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log
[14:40] <Laney> there's a list of what will happen at the end there
[14:40] <Laney> if you're interested
[14:41] <jbicha> gnome-shell 3.24 needs mozjs38; 3.26 will probably need mozjs52 so hopefully mozjs38 will never be in Debian stable
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, do you know why we didn't do it yet?
[14:41] <Laney> nope
[14:41] <seb128> we used to have "new archive open," or "toolchain news" on ubuntu-devel@
[14:41] <Laney> snakefruit had a release upgrade yesterday, maybe they were waiting for after that
[14:41] <seb128> not such info this cycle that I saw
[14:42] <seb128> no*
[14:42] <Laney> yeh
[14:42] <Laney> it got opened but I didn't see that announced
[14:42] <seb128> I didn't even notice  we had a name until yesterday
[14:42] <Laney> jbicha: so I'm interested if it's used
[14:42] <Laney> if we skip to 52 and have to do the NEW dance again, not so much
[14:44] <Laney> like if you want to get gnome-shell 3.24 in experimental and there's a moderate chance it'll see the light of day in unstable
[14:45] <Laney> I guess you should check with the current mozjs maintainer first too
[14:46] <jbicha> Laney: I talked with him in December but then he stopped answering my emails
[14:46] <Laney> heh
[14:47] <jbicha> he wasn't thrilled about maintaining mozjs38 though
[14:47] <Laney> ok, well it doesn't seem super urgent to me
[14:47] <Laney> we can take time to figure out maintenance and versioning
[14:48] <jbicha> mozjs38 not being in Debian isn't causing Ubuntu any problems
[14:49] <jbicha> GNOME 3.26 will be out in September; Stretch should be released before then but it wouldn't hurt Debian to wait a few more weeks for a newer GNOME
[14:50] <jbicha> Cinnamon might need mozjs38 for a few months since they are following GNOME
[14:54] <Laney> 'k, well something will force the issue at some point
[15:02] <willcooke> Not going to make the unmeeting now - on a call
[15:03] <Laney> man
[15:04] <Laney> nobody likes the unmeeting
[15:04] <kenvandine> Laney, i'm trying
[15:04] <kenvandine> talky.io is angry because i don't have a camera on the box i'm using atm
[15:05] <kenvandine> i guess a mic isn't enough...
[15:06] <Laney> oh :-o
[15:16] <ricotz> jbicha, throw mozjs back to chrisccoulson ;P
[15:26] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - I'm going to be on this call for a bit longer - would one of you mind chairing the meeting today?  Sorry
[15:26]  * seb128 plays not being the first to reply
[15:29] <seb128> k, Laney beats me at this game
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, I can do
[15:29] <willcooke> :) thanks seb128
[15:29] <Laney> muhahahah
[15:29] <willcooke> well played Laney
[15:29] <seb128> yw
[15:29] <seb128> :-p
[15:29] <Laney> was busy unmeetinging
[15:30] <seb128> oh, others joined you? good
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
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[15:30] <andyrock> o/
[15:30] <tkamppeter> hi
[15:31] <seb128> let's see if I can figure the list of people to ping
[15:31] <Laney> I got to see the face of didrocks
[15:31] <Laney> it's been too long
[15:31] <jbicha> o/
[15:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[15:31]  * kenvandine waves
[15:31] <Laney> are you doing a round or what?
[15:31] <didrocks> Laney: with the new haircut of the week-end, what a priviledge :-) /me hugs you
[15:31] <Laney> if so...
[15:31] <seb128> andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, yeah, see email from wil_lcooke from this morning
[15:32] <seb128> if people don't have weekly notes it's fine but let's do a quick round and then aob
[15:32] <seb128> ok, let's start
[15:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey :-)
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> #1 Working on Chromium on Mir (waiting from mir team to add gbm bo import, so started to add input support)
[15:33] <andyrock> #2 Reviews
[15:33] <andyrock> #3 eow
[15:34] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:34] <dgadomski> hey
[15:34] <seb128> dgadomski, hey, still around? (a bit difficult to keep track of status)
[15:35] <dgadomski> yep, still here
[15:35] <dgadomski> * looking into do-release-upgrade conflict with landscape - will report an lp bug about that
[15:35] <dgadomski> * examining a wifi issue related to some cisco blocking Wifi Direct capable devices - looking for a way to disable this capability
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <seb128> good to see you are still around :-)
[15:35] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> likewise :)
[15:35] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[15:35] <kenvandine> * jbicha filed most of the MIRs, I filed the last couple that are minimally required for gnome-shell.  gjs and mozjs38 MIRs have been forwarded to security for review.
[15:35] <kenvandine> * I have branches for gnome-online-accounts and gnome-shell which drop some recommends to suggests to make our list shorter for our first round, these have also been uploaded to the PPA for testing.  Some of these I think should be moved back to recommends, but lets get the minimum list of MIRs approved before we attack those.
[15:35] <kenvandine> * lightdm vs gdm3, there has been some good discussion on the mailing list but no decision.  I think it's safe to assume we should stick with lightdm for our initial seeding of gnome-shell until we can sort out the longer term plans.
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, welcome back!
[15:35] <kenvandine> * QUESTION:  Does anyone know how we can build images from a seed in the PPA?
[15:35] <kenvandine> thanks!
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, +1 on lightdm to start
[15:36] <seb128> I don't know about image build
[15:36] <seb128> Laney might?
[15:36] <Laney> Probably
[15:36] <kenvandine> i'll pester Laney after the meeting then :)
[15:36] <Laney> It's a fair bit of work though
[15:37] <kenvandine> i'd like to build an image with gnome-shell and without unity to test
[15:37] <seb128> sounds good, just use the channel, others (including me) might be interesting to learn
[15:37] <kenvandine> EOF
[15:37] <Laney> I don't think I'd bother personally
[15:37] <kenvandine> ok then
[15:37] <Laney> The touch stuff was built with a PPA
[15:37] <Laney> but that was expected to be long lived
[15:37] <kenvandine> i guess we can test it in artful soonish then :)
[15:37] <kenvandine> i'll look at changes to the seed and share a diff
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, that's it for me
[15:38] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[15:38] <Laney> I'd just do some pre-test iterations in there and then whack it in the release
[15:38] <Laney> personally ;-)
[15:38] <seb128> +1 on that
[15:38] <Laney> and continue to use it for crack testing when dropping patches and things
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, sounds good to you as well?
[15:39] <kenvandine> yup
[15:39] <seb128> good, let's get moving then
[15:39] <Laney> sweet
[15:39] <seb128> adding jbicha to the list
[15:39] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[15:39] <jbicha> hi!
[15:39] <jbicha> - Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List and started the paperwork for several of the MIRs
[15:40] <jbicha> - Started ubuntu-desktop list topics for default email client, GNOME 3.26
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on GNOME 3.24.1 SRUs for Zesty
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on evolution 3.24 (LP: #1685683), still needs some work
[15:40] <jbicha> - Worked on shotwell 0.26 (LP: #1581180)
[15:40] <jbicha> - Tagged some bugs with 'wayland' and 'gnome-17.10'
[15:40] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10
[15:40] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland
[15:40] <jbicha> EOF
[15:40] <seb128> thanks jbicha, good working on starting those discussions and lists
[15:40] <kenvandine> yeah, thanks jbicha!
[15:40] <seb128> I'm going to have a look to your shotwell diff today or tomorrow
[15:41] <seb128> next is Laney
[15:41] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:41] <Laney> one sec
[15:41] <Laney> got interrupted ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> no problem, should I just come back to you later?
[15:42] <Laney> nope
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <Laney> here we go
[15:42] <Laney> • Some things from the last 3 weeks?
[15:42] <Laney> • Released zesty
[15:42] <Laney> • Fixed a dkms bug that was breaking module compilation on upgrade (that got merged upstream)
[15:42] <Laney> • Worked a bit on archive opening
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ appstream → needed some slight tweaks to freeze zesty, should be good now
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ autopkgtest → figured out how to initialise everything, wrote a small patch for the LXD image creator to dist-upgrade zesty → artful before there were proper artful releases (there are now)
[15:43] <Laney> ‣ Wrote some documentation in my notepad for the wiki, need to type that up now. (bus factor--)
[15:43] <Laney> • Some feedback to QA about the current state / what would be good to test in the future
[15:43] <Laney> • Investigated problems with ubuntu-image's github <-> autopkgtest.u.c communication. Turned out that it was using an API token from someone who has left the company :/
[15:43] <Laney> • Worked on rebasing gnome-shell/ubuntu-master onto master - autotools is dropped there so ported our stuff to meson. Still in progress, but nearly done.
[15:43] <Laney> ⚰
[15:43] <seb128> thanks Laney!
[15:44] <seb128> next oSoMoN
[15:44] <seb128> #topic oSoMoN
[15:44] <oSoMoN> hey
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I’ve taken over chromium-browser packaging, just in time for a new upstream release (58.0.3029.81). All built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages and handed over to security team for validation.
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I’ve also packaged the next release (59) in a separate PPA for all supported releases, currently building (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages).
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I am now doing some bug triaging/cleanup at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser (have been mass-closing very old crash reports).
[15:44] <oSoMoN> That's all from me for now
[15:44] <jbicha> Laney: that's gnome-software/master not gnome-shell, right?
[15:44] <Laney> yes
[15:44] <Laney> you know
[15:44] <seb128> seems quite some good work there
[15:44] <Laney> I wrote gnome-shell on my notepad
[15:44] <Laney> and then scribbled it out and wrote software
[15:44] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[15:44] <Laney> and then I went and typed gnome-shell
[15:44] <Laney> weird
[15:45] <seb128> lol, thanks for catching that jbicha
[15:45] <seb128> I though Laney took on gnome-shell :-)
[15:45] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • 17.04 testing & post release launcher/e.u.c bugs review&triaging
[15:45] <seb128> • some catching up on GNOME world
[15:45] <seb128> • participated at several discussions about the (GNOME mostly) work to be done this cycle
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[15:45] <seb128> bah
[15:45] <seb128> launcher->launchpad typo in the first item
[15:45] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:46] <Laney> no but I did work on build fixes for gnome-shell/mutter in jhbuild (some linker change), forgot to mention that
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Discovered a lot of bugs and room for improvement when starting to patch avahi for broadcasting localhost services locally. A lot of testing and fixing, especially for clean shutdown, stop DNS-SD advertising on shutdown or printer unplug, made it robust against restarting avahi-daemon, ... After all remaining fixes done I plan to issue the next release.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: The Linux Foundation got 11 slots, we use 7 for OpenPrinting, 2 for LSB, and 2 for WireGuard. Slot count determined mainly by the availability of mentors.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:47] <seb128> tkamppeter, did you get to try the GNOME printing tools to see how they compared to s-c-p yet?
[15:47] <tkamppeter> Not yet.
[15:48] <seb128> k
[15:48] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[15:48] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:48] <seb128> Trevinho, still awake?
[15:48] <tkamppeter> seb128, I fear that s-c-p is till much more powerful.
[15:48] <jbicha> nice typo :)
[15:49] <seb128> lol
[15:49] <oSoMoN> :)
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, well, it's a standalone UI so it would be easy to keep using it under GNOME if we want
[15:50] <seb128> not Trevinho I guess
[15:50] <seb128> (sorry if you sent summaries to willcooke, didn't got those fwded if that's the case
[15:50] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[15:50] <seb128> same for robert_ancell
[15:50] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:50] <seb128> other topics?
[15:51] <kenvandine> do we have anyone going to guadec?
[15:52] <seb128> good question
[15:52] <seb128> not that I know
[15:52] <seb128> not sure if we have official company time/budget, question for willcooke I guess
[15:52] <seb128> I expect some of us are going to go but I don't know if anyone signed up/decided yet
[15:52] <kenvandine> ok
[15:53] <seb128> jbicha, was there any GNOME work topic we wanted to discuss here?
[15:53] <seb128> we still need to set up a proper meeting where .au members can join
[15:54] <seb128> but we can discuss some small things here if we want
[15:55] <jbicha> I don't think I have anything else specifically for today's meeting
[15:55] <seb128> good, we can still discuss things on the channel outside meeting time anyway
[15:55] <seb128> let's wrap then
[15:56] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:56:03 2017 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-04-25-15.30.moin.txt
[15:57] <jbicha> oSoMoN: thanks for picking up chromium maintenance, does 59 switch to gtk3?
[15:59] <seb128> oSoMoN, let us know on channel or list if you need testers for the ppa, there are probably a bunch of us who would be happy to help with that :-)
[15:59] <jbicha> I see there's an old team/ppas at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily maybe it makes sense for you to get access and use those ppas?
[16:01] <seb128> +1
[16:01] <willcooke> back, and reading backloh
[16:01] <seb128> k, need to relocate, that place is closing
[16:01] <seb128> back online in 10min or so
[16:02] <jbicha> kenvandine: I'm merging your gnome-shell changes, adding a few more demotions to suggests and then I'll probably go ahead and upload
[16:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, cool
[16:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, i'd like to eventually get back to recommending chrome-gnome-extension and switcheroo-control
[16:03] <kenvandine> but i think switcheroo-control is only useful with gdm3 atm right?
[16:03] <jbicha> kenvandine: I don't think switcheroo-control has anything to do with gdm but I don't have hybrid graphics to check
[16:03] <kenvandine> and chrome-gnome-extension won't be a simple MIR, but i think we really want it
[16:03] <kenvandine> jbicha, i think if you have hybrid graphics gdm3 gives you an option to switch
[16:04] <kenvandine> at least based on my limited investigation
[16:04] <kenvandine> i don't have hybrid either
[16:04] <kenvandine> it seems to let you switch before logging in
[16:04] <kenvandine> afaict
[16:04] <jbicha> http://www.hadess.net/2016/10/dual-gpu-integration-in-gnome.html
[16:05] <willcooke> desktoppers - GUADEC approval is in progress.  Watch this space
[16:28] <Menzador> What's​ this about GUADEC approval mate? willcooke
[16:28] <willcooke> Menzador, getting Canonicallers to GUADEC
[16:29] <Menzador> Ah! That would be helpful :)
[16:32] <Laney> chrisccoulson: you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1683997 ?
[16:52] <jbicha> tjaalton: for bug 1417980, maybe we shouldn't close Unity 7 bugs as long as Unity 7 will still be in universe?
[16:56] <Laney> gonna jet out of here
[16:56] <Laney> see you tomorrow!
[17:04]  * willcooke follows
[17:04] <willcooke> night all
[17:04] <willcooke> oh
[17:04] <willcooke> no
[17:04] <willcooke> I've got a meeting at 9pm
[17:04] <willcooke> I'll be back later
[17:11] <tjaalton> jbicha: what difference would that make? no-one is going to fix that
[17:12] <tjaalton> and 1686081 should be moved to u-s-d, it should depend on -synaptics now
[17:12] <tjaalton> as unity is the only DE that doesn't support -libinput
[17:12] <jbicha> if no one is going to fix Unity 7 issues, then I think it would be better to remove Unity 7 from Ubuntu…
[17:13] <tjaalton> I've tried to get this fixed for two years..
[17:14] <jbicha> is it possible to get Unity to bundle synaptics in a way that will allow unity-settings-daemon to work but not cause issues for gnome-settings-daemon?
[17:14] <tjaalton> don't see how
[17:15] <jbicha> I wonder how badly Unity 7 would be broken if it switched to g-s-d, g-c-c…
[17:16] <tjaalton> no idea
[17:19] <muktupavels> very badly? for example Display settings in g-c-c needs org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig dbus name to change / see display configuration...
[17:24]  * oSoMoN EOD
[17:24] <oSoMoN> good night everyone!
[17:50] <sarnold> oh boy if we could remove every package that's had bugs untouched for two years.. :)
[18:01] <jbicha> the specific bug here is LP: #1686081
[18:09] <jbicha> hey, Unity runs with gnome-settings-daemon, you were right about the Displays panel being useless but at least it doesn't crash or anything
[18:10] <jbicha> I think it's a good trade-off to drop unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center but let's see what the others thing
[18:11] <muktupavels> how Unity users will configure their displays?
[18:12] <muktupavels> does keybindings works?
[18:12] <muktupavels> over time there many things from gcc or gsd has been moved to mutter.
[18:14] <jbicha> keybindings seem to work but I'm using VBox
[18:15] <jbicha> Unity users will have to find a developer that cares enough to come up with some way to configure displays on Unity
[18:16] <muktupavels> I dont use Unity so it does not affect me. :)
[18:16] <jbicha> but I think it's better than breaking Mouse & Touchpad settings in the default install because someone was curious to see how well Unity works in 18.04
[18:18] <muktupavels> how did you test that it works with gsd and gcc?
[18:18] <jbicha> well I hacked it to work, I just have to figure out if this is appropriate to push to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome
[18:18] <jbicha> or if I should use a 2nd ppa for it
[18:20] <jbicha> wait, I missed a step…
[18:20] <muktupavels> is there a way to kill usd in unity settings? if I kill it it is restarted.
[18:21] <muktupavels> in unity session...
[18:22] <jbicha> this will take some more time…
[19:57] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[19:58] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[21:01] <willcooke> night all
[21:03] <a1fa> how do you force the instller into ncurses mode
[21:06] <a1fa> nomodeset* worked for me
[21:34] <TheMuso> jbicha: Thanks for the article link dude.
[21:34] <TheMuso> jbicha: Oh yeah I know about Alex.
[22:44] <jbicha> TheMuso: good morning
[23:11] <TheMuso> jbicha: Hey dude, hope all is well.
[23:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hmm, if I switch DM to GDM I just get a black screen. Is there anything special I have to do on 17.04?
[23:28] <jbicha> :(
[23:29] <jbicha> what graphics drivers are you using?
[23:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, intel
[23:30] <robert_ancell> I tried disabling Wayland and enabling debug but no change
[23:31] <jbicha> I don't know then
[23:32] <jbicha> I was waiting for the first round of Zesty SRUs to get promoted out of -proposed before updating gdm3 and gnome-session to 3.24.1
[23:32] <jbicha> I figured it wasn't good to change too many parts of the critical GNOME infrastructure all at once
[23:33] <robert_ancell> :)
[23:33] <robert_ancell> jbicha, but as far as you know, just installing gdm/gnome-shell on 17.04 should be sufficient to boot to a GNOME desktop?
[23:34] <jbicha> that's supposed to work, it's possible that there's a missing dependency since most people tested with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed
[23:37] <jbicha> I'm trying now to see what happens…
[23:38] <robert_ancell> ah, I was looking for the appropriate metapackage - installing that now
[23:52] <jbicha> robert_ancell: it looks like I can confirm that issue :(
[23:52] <robert_ancell> jbicha, but it doesn't occur with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed?