[08:03] hi [08:03] hey Laney [08:04] hey didrocks [08:04] what's new? [08:05] not much, you? :) [08:05] morning [08:06] morning willcooke [08:06] Morning all [08:07] uk is on one after another [08:11] hey Laney davmor2 willcooke, how is u.k today? [08:11] cold and sunny [08:11] it's better than cold & wet [08:11] Very cold and sunny [08:12] It got down to zero last night [08:18] good morning! [08:18] hey dednick! how are you? [08:19] good to see you saying hey on the channel :-) [08:19] seb128: good thanks and you? :) [08:19] do you find your way around desktop team world? ;-) [08:19] I'm good thanks [08:20] we have a bit of sun today which is nice [08:20] seb128: giving it my best. all new and shiny :) [08:20] yes, it's nice here as well. might have some breakfast in the garden. [08:20] good morning all [08:21] hey oSoMoN! [08:22] how is it going? [08:22] not too bad, thanks, how are you? [08:23] I'm good, not fully awake yet, I start directly on the computer and got stucked to the keyboard [08:23] you could think that getting coffee first then going to the computer would be a lesson I would have learnt by now [08:24] but seems not :p [08:25] hehe [08:26] I have to drive my daughter to school every morning, so by the time I hit the keyboard I better be fully awake :) [08:26] :-) [08:30] happyaron: ping [08:30] dednick, you might as well directly ask the question, unsure how much he's still around and others might be able to reply as well [08:31] seb128: sure :) [08:31] Does anyone have access to edit the team meeting in the "UES team calendar"? [08:32] ah, I can try and change owne [08:32] r [08:34] hey all, i'm looking into how you guys maintain some of your repos (network-manager in particular). Do you pull new versions direct from upstream repos, or using the tarballs with gbp? [08:37] i tried to pull 1.6 manually from git.freedesktop using a remote git source but couldn't quite figure it out. [08:38] gbp seemed to work a lot better but it was still a bit dodgey with some unexpected changes. Maybe need to be a bit manual and unpick some of the changes? [08:41] Laney: ^ i volunteer you to answer since you've been active on the nm repo ;-) [08:42] oh sorry I was distracted [08:42] hi dednick [08:42] you're doing nm stuff? [08:42] I think I missed this memo [08:44] did he just quit? [08:44] * Laney has those messages off [08:44] aha [08:44] doh. coffee on keyboard. [08:44] bad. [08:44] laptop? [08:44] yeah [08:45] sounds bad [08:45] go drain it! [08:45] luckily was just a little. going to open it up in a bit :) [08:45] sooooooooooooooo what's the URL for nm? [08:45] yeah. i was holding it over the sink when i went off :) [08:46] Laney: git? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager [08:46] otherwise https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager [08:47] upstream is: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/ [08:47] "i think" [08:49] Laney: and it's more "familiarising" myself with desktop at the moment than actually "doing". :) [08:50] there's going to be lots of different methods [08:50] this looks like gbp though, but one second [08:50] yeah. there is a debian/watch [09:03] ah man [09:03] Laney: i think i may have worked it out. to upstream/1.6.2 'gbp import-orig --uscan 1.6.2 -no-pristin-tar --no-merge' , then fix up the issues and merge back into master. [09:03] looks like there's no vcs relationship with debian's branch [09:03] then do pritine. [09:03] Laney: yeah. it looks like a flattened fork. [09:03] that's annoying [09:03] I think you want to merge with their package [09:04] so it's dget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.6.2-3.dsc, then gbp import-dsc ../path/to/that [09:04] ...in a branch... [09:04] Laney: ah, do we upstream from debian rather than freedesktop? [09:04] if debian already has it then take it from them [09:04] ok [09:05] so we get the packaging changes too [09:05] and the patches. ok [09:05] it's much easier if the ubuntu branch is a proper branch of theirs though [09:05] then you can do a normal git merge [09:05] so... what you could do as a first step if you wanted... is fix that up [09:06] find the tag we based off (1.4.4-1) and mangle it so that we're a branch of that now [09:06] then git merge 1.6.2-3 onto that [09:06] Laney: :) true that. will main maintenance easier. [09:06] don't know if that's too complicated for a first task? [09:06] well, i'll give it a got. [09:06] go [09:10] Laney, dednick - AFAIK we've always taken direct from upstream in the past. Not saying that's the best way, just that's what we were doing. Probably because of phone stuff. [09:10] There's definitely debian merges in there [09:10] and the version number being -1... and not -0... means it's a merge [09:11] hummm [09:11] interesting [09:11] don't know what was added on top of that though [09:11] could have been anything :) [09:11] maybe cherry picking from debian? [09:12] sounds complicated [09:12] but the packaging is similar... but not the same. [09:12] we should simplify as much as we can [09:12] more likely cherry picking from upstream [09:12] but I would expect that to be as git format-patch style patches applied with quilt [09:12] also, if we want to use debian and we want to go up to 1.8 then we need to wait for debian to go to 1.8 [09:13] yeh [09:13] If you want to do that I would sync up with their packaging and then gbp import-orig on top of it [09:14] doesn't look released atm though [09:14] so probably for later [09:18] yup. only 1.6 for now. [09:20] doesn't look to me like there's any crazy phone stuff in there [09:20] phew :) [09:22] although I guess that might have been possible to drop anyway [09:22] * Laney la la la [09:23] I /think/ there were some useful patches from the phone to n-m - but that h_appyaron had started (and maybe finished) upstreaming and dropping them [09:24] there might still be a few oddities laying around [09:24] * willcooke has a meeting with Foundations next week to discuss [09:24] We should try and get the version that the people like Tony Espy are using in some snaps, and the version we are putting out for desktop in sync [09:25] sorry I missed a bit of the conversation while relocating with my laptop [09:25] but yeah, unsure if we still need the ofono integration parts [09:27] I think we can afford to not make this too confusing right now [09:27] a Debian merge is there and needed to be done, so try to do that and then see what happens [09:30] Trevinho, hehe, i need to fix my mp, I think. [09:30] for unity [09:31] and for compiz there are missing files. for colorfilter stuff which is not shipped anywhere, i guess we need to ship it into some package? [09:34] Trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100 [09:48] Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/lowgfx-profile-setter-no-upstart/+merge/323118 this should fix the unity build failure in the bileto landing; please review & approve. And then we can reconfigure bileto to add that branch in? [09:48] looking into compiz now as well. [09:56] Trevinho, what did you ask me to review yesterday? [10:07] Trevinho, please respond to https://code.launchpad.net/~banw/compiz/compiz.colorfilter/+merge/320611/comments/847280 =) [10:08] poor Marco [10:14] seb128, libinput - does anything change wrt/ trying to move to libinput this cycle now we're Wayland? [10:15] willcooke, GNOME is using it so we just got it for free by switching desktop even under their x11 session [10:15] \m/ [10:15] * willcooke makes a note to make sure we cover it in testing [10:16] :-) [10:18] xserver-xorg-input-all doesn't pull -synaptics anymore [10:22] tjaalton, since when? [10:23] yesterday [10:24] talking of input. Since I upgraded to zesty, edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad. I'm pretty sure I always had it disabled in xenial, but I can't find anywhere in the control-center to disable it again [10:25] Not sure if that's a gnome thing or a zesty thing, but it's really annoying [10:25] k, so unity settings wouldn't work on arful? [10:25] not without synaptics installed [10:26] chrisccoulson, it should be in u-c-c, do you have -synaptic installed [10:27] tjaalton, seems a bit backward to do the change before the desktop is ready to handle it, but I guess in practice it's fine [10:27] oh wait [10:28] seb128, yeah, it's installed. I'm not using unity though, and the setting appears to no longer be in g-c-c [10:28] I didn't upload it yet :P [10:28] lol [10:28] chrisccoulson, oh, that's your issue then [10:28] can I launch u-c-c from gnome-shell? [10:28] chrisccoulson, GNOME uses libinput not synaptic [10:28] ah [10:28] that sucks [10:28] chrisccoulson: remove x-x-i-synaptics [10:28] try removing -synaptics [10:28] chrisccoulson, no reason you couldn't [10:29] but u-c-c talks to u-s-d which is not active [10:29] so it might not be of much use [10:29] you might also need to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity [10:29] though I think we changed u-c-c to not need that [10:29] yeah, I got an empty window when I launched it [10:30] so X_C_D [10:30] I guess I need to restart after removing x-x-i-synaptics? [10:30] brb [10:34] w00t, that worked [10:34] no more edge scrolling :) [10:37] :-) [10:37] you are one of those 2 fingers scrolling people then? [10:37] represent! [10:38] just curious, does edge scrolling have any side effect? or do you trigger it by error? [10:38] I find that it's a lot less easy to trigger and a bit fiddly [10:38] two finger just works for me [10:42] yeah, I understand that some people prefer it, I was just wondering if the edge scroll had a side effect if it's on and you are not one of its users [10:43] I guess you might end up triggering scroll while trying to move the cursors and hitting the edge sometimes [10:44] 2 fingers scrolling people here |m| [10:45] yeah, I do find that when moving around the screen, as soon as I get towards the rhs of the pad then its easy to trigger scrolling [10:45] still just usability rather than a bug I suppose [10:45] seb128, yeah, 2 finger scrolling here. I kept triggering the edge scrolling by accident [10:46] makes sense [10:48] that said I don't use my touchpad outside the edge scrolling :p [10:49] too used to the small round in the middle of the keyboard [11:03] eww. red dot of doom. [11:03] mine fell off this morning. [11:03] popey, didnt you find a supplier of new nipples? [11:23] the -synaptics thing is annoying [11:24] if -synaptics is installed, GNOME's Mouse/Touchpad Settings doesn't work very well :( [11:24] yeah, it's a bit tricky [11:24] do we know what desktops still haven't switched to libinput? [11:24] we should probably put that on the list as well :p [11:24] unity [11:27] unsure about others, not easy list from from a quick googling === JanC_ is now known as JanC === pipedrea1 is now known as pipedream === alan_g is now known as alan_g_ [14:29] is it ok to upload vala 0.36 to artful now? bug 1669253 [14:30] bug 1669253 in vala (Ubuntu) "Update vala to 0.36" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669253 [14:30] jbicha, is that the GNOME 3.24 version? [14:31] yes, it will cause some pkgs to FTBFS but I think we should start fixing those now [14:31] I've not going to veto but I would -1 [14:32] that's the sort of strategy that leads us to have a stack of mixed transitions at the start of the cycles that are hard to get through [14:32] we might stuck the whole stack for a month again [14:32] all GNOME pkgs should build fine, it's the non-GNOME stuff that will have a problem [14:32] britney doesn't make differences between GNOME or not [14:32] it might just hit a package blocking a transition [14:32] I would rather avoid more disruption that the autosync create at the start of the cycle [14:32] but that's me [14:33] if you think it's important enough to risk it feel free [14:33] the transition itself should be easy (the only pkgs affected are anjuta, gnome-builder, valabind and valadoc) [14:33] well if you are confident [14:33] what are the benefits of doing it now? [14:33] instead of waiting for the initial sync round to be sorted out? [14:34] I don't think we are short on merges to do and such yet? [14:34] I have no problem with waiting for the first autosync, if you think that might be better [14:35] I would do that just to be on the safe side [14:35] happy for Laney or others to state their position though [14:35] hi [14:35] hey Laney :-) [14:35] any reason not to stay in sync by going via exp? [14:35] basically jbicha is +1 and I'm -1 so need somebody else to untie :p [14:36] the first autosync should be fairly quiet since Debian unstable is quiet [14:36] autosyncs aren't on yet, if that makes a difference [14:37] exp is fine with me although pkg-gnome hasn't really started on 3.24 yet [14:37] my preference is easy syncs & merges first, get archive to settle then add extra transitions one by one [14:37] we all know how it can turn with mixed transitions [14:38] i'm ok with that [14:38] anyway, that's my position, not going to veto if somebody want to step it and take responsability to deal with extra work created [14:38] i'll sponsor it to experimental, ping me once it's in svn [14:39] ok [14:39] and other 3.24 things unless someone cries [14:39] Laney: are you interested in sponsoring mozjs38 into Debian new? [14:40] dunno [14:40] isn't there a new one? [14:40] jbicha, i'm starting to review your shotwell update btw [14:40] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log [14:40] there's a list of what will happen at the end there [14:40] if you're interested [14:41] gnome-shell 3.24 needs mozjs38; 3.26 will probably need mozjs52 so hopefully mozjs38 will never be in Debian stable [14:41] Laney, do you know why we didn't do it yet? [14:41] nope [14:41] we used to have "new archive open," or "toolchain news" on ubuntu-devel@ [14:41] snakefruit had a release upgrade yesterday, maybe they were waiting for after that [14:41] not such info this cycle that I saw [14:42] no* [14:42] yeh [14:42] it got opened but I didn't see that announced [14:42] I didn't even notice we had a name until yesterday [14:42] jbicha: so I'm interested if it's used [14:42] if we skip to 52 and have to do the NEW dance again, not so much [14:44] like if you want to get gnome-shell 3.24 in experimental and there's a moderate chance it'll see the light of day in unstable [14:45] I guess you should check with the current mozjs maintainer first too [14:46] Laney: I talked with him in December but then he stopped answering my emails [14:46] heh [14:47] he wasn't thrilled about maintaining mozjs38 though [14:47] ok, well it doesn't seem super urgent to me [14:47] we can take time to figure out maintenance and versioning [14:48] mozjs38 not being in Debian isn't causing Ubuntu any problems [14:49] GNOME 3.26 will be out in September; Stretch should be released before then but it wouldn't hurt Debian to wait a few more weeks for a newer GNOME [14:50] Cinnamon might need mozjs38 for a few months since they are following GNOME [14:54] 'k, well something will force the issue at some point [15:02] Not going to make the unmeeting now - on a call [15:03] man [15:04] nobody likes the unmeeting [15:04] Laney, i'm trying [15:04] talky.io is angry because i don't have a camera on the box i'm using atm [15:05] i guess a mic isn't enough... [15:06] oh :-o [15:16] jbicha, throw mozjs back to chrisccoulson ;P [15:26] seb128, Laney - I'm going to be on this call for a bit longer - would one of you mind chairing the meeting today? Sorry [15:26] * seb128 plays not being the first to reply [15:29] k, Laney beats me at this game [15:29] willcooke, I can do [15:29] :) thanks seb128 [15:29] muhahahah [15:29] well played Laney [15:29] yw [15:29] :-p [15:29] was busy unmeetinging [15:30] oh, others joined you? good [15:30] #startmeeting [15:30] Meeting started Tue Apr 25 15:30:28 2017 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:30] o/ [15:30] hi [15:31] let's see if I can figure the list of people to ping [15:31] I got to see the face of didrocks [15:31] it's been too long [15:31] o/ [15:31] o/ [15:31] * kenvandine waves [15:31] are you doing a round or what? [15:31] Laney: with the new haircut of the week-end, what a priviledge :-) /me hugs you [15:31] if so... [15:31] andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out) [15:32] Laney, yeah, see email from wil_lcooke from this morning [15:32] if people don't have weekly notes it's fine but let's do a quick round and then aob [15:32] ok, let's start [15:32] andyrock, hey :-) [15:32] hey [15:33] #1 Working on Chromium on Mir (waiting from mir team to add gbm bo import, so started to add input support) [15:33] #2 Reviews [15:33] #3 eow [15:34] thanks andyrock [15:34] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski [15:34] hey [15:34] dgadomski, hey, still around? (a bit difficult to keep track of status) [15:35] yep, still here [15:35] * looking into do-release-upgrade conflict with landscape - will report an lp bug about that [15:35] * examining a wifi issue related to some cisco blocking Wifi Direct capable devices - looking for a way to disable this capability [15:35] eof [15:35] good to see you are still around :-) [15:35] thanks dgadomski [15:35] likewise :) [15:35] #topic kenvandine === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: kenvandine [15:35] * jbicha filed most of the MIRs, I filed the last couple that are minimally required for gnome-shell. gjs and mozjs38 MIRs have been forwarded to security for review. [15:35] * I have branches for gnome-online-accounts and gnome-shell which drop some recommends to suggests to make our list shorter for our first round, these have also been uploaded to the PPA for testing. Some of these I think should be moved back to recommends, but lets get the minimum list of MIRs approved before we attack those. [15:35] * lightdm vs gdm3, there has been some good discussion on the mailing list but no decision. I think it's safe to assume we should stick with lightdm for our initial seeding of gnome-shell until we can sort out the longer term plans. [15:35] kenvandine, hey, welcome back! [15:35] * QUESTION: Does anyone know how we can build images from a seed in the PPA? [15:35] thanks! [15:36] kenvandine, +1 on lightdm to start [15:36] I don't know about image build [15:36] Laney might? [15:36] Probably [15:36] i'll pester Laney after the meeting then :) [15:36] It's a fair bit of work though [15:37] i'd like to build an image with gnome-shell and without unity to test [15:37] sounds good, just use the channel, others (including me) might be interesting to learn [15:37] EOF [15:37] I don't think I'd bother personally [15:37] ok then [15:37] The touch stuff was built with a PPA [15:37] but that was expected to be long lived [15:37] i guess we can test it in artful soonish then :) [15:37] i'll look at changes to the seed and share a diff [15:38] seb128, that's it for me [15:38] thanks kenvandine [15:38] I'd just do some pre-test iterations in there and then whack it in the release [15:38] personally ;-) [15:38] +1 on that [15:38] and continue to use it for crack testing when dropping patches and things [15:39] kenvandine, sounds good to you as well? [15:39] yup [15:39] good, let's get moving then [15:39] sweet [15:39] adding jbicha to the list [15:39] #topic jbicha === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: jbicha [15:39] jbicha, hey [15:39] hi! [15:39] - Created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List and started the paperwork for several of the MIRs [15:40] - Started ubuntu-desktop list topics for default email client, GNOME 3.26 [15:40] - Worked on GNOME 3.24.1 SRUs for Zesty [15:40] - Worked on evolution 3.24 (LP: #1685683), still needs some work [15:40] Launchpad bug 1685683 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "Update evolution to 3.24.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685683 [15:40] - Worked on shotwell 0.26 (LP: #1581180) [15:40] Launchpad bug 1581180 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Update to Shotwell 0.26" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581180 [15:40] - Tagged some bugs with 'wayland' and 'gnome-17.10' [15:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 [15:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland [15:40] EOF [15:40] thanks jbicha, good working on starting those discussions and lists [15:40] yeah, thanks jbicha! [15:40] I'm going to have a look to your shotwell diff today or tomorrow [15:41] next is Laney [15:41] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney [15:41] Laney, hey [15:41] one sec [15:41] got interrupted ;-) [15:42] no problem, should I just come back to you later? [15:42] nope [15:42] k [15:42] here we go [15:42] • Some things from the last 3 weeks? [15:42] • Released zesty [15:42] • Fixed a dkms bug that was breaking module compilation on upgrade (that got merged upstream) [15:42] • Worked a bit on archive opening [15:42] ∘ appstream → needed some slight tweaks to freeze zesty, should be good now [15:42] ∘ autopkgtest → figured out how to initialise everything, wrote a small patch for the LXD image creator to dist-upgrade zesty → artful before there were proper artful releases (there are now) [15:43] ‣ Wrote some documentation in my notepad for the wiki, need to type that up now. (bus factor--) [15:43] • Some feedback to QA about the current state / what would be good to test in the future [15:43] • Investigated problems with ubuntu-image's github <-> autopkgtest.u.c communication. Turned out that it was using an API token from someone who has left the company :/ [15:43] • Worked on rebasing gnome-shell/ubuntu-master onto master - autotools is dropped there so ported our stuff to meson. Still in progress, but nearly done. [15:43] ⚰ [15:43] thanks Laney! [15:44] next oSoMoN [15:44] #topic oSoMoN === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: oSoMoN [15:44] hey [15:44] I’ve taken over chromium-browser packaging, just in time for a new upstream release (58.0.3029.81). All built in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages and handed over to security team for validation. [15:44] I’ve also packaged the next release (59) in a separate PPA for all supported releases, currently building (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages). [15:44] I am now doing some bug triaging/cleanup at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser (have been mass-closing very old crash reports). [15:44] That's all from me for now [15:44] Laney: that's gnome-software/master not gnome-shell, right? [15:44] yes [15:44] you know [15:44] seems quite some good work there [15:44] I wrote gnome-shell on my notepad [15:44] and then scribbled it out and wrote software [15:44] thanks oSoMoN [15:44] and then I went and typed gnome-shell [15:44] weird [15:45] lol, thanks for catching that jbicha [15:45] I though Laney took on gnome-shell :-) [15:45] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: seb128 [15:45] • 17.04 testing & post release launcher/e.u.c bugs review&triaging [15:45] • some catching up on GNOME world [15:45] • participated at several discussions about the (GNOME mostly) work to be done this cycle [15:45] [15:45] bah [15:45] launcher->launchpad typo in the first item [15:45] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: tkamppeter [15:46] tkamppeter, hey [15:46] no but I did work on build fixes for gnome-shell/mutter in jhbuild (some linker change), forgot to mention that [15:46] - ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Discovered a lot of bugs and room for improvement when starting to patch avahi for broadcasting localhost services locally. A lot of testing and fixing, especially for clean shutdown, stop DNS-SD advertising on shutdown or printer unplug, made it robust against restarting avahi-daemon, ... After all remaining fixes done I plan to issue the next release. [15:46] - Google Summer of Code 2017: The Linux Foundation got 11 slots, we use 7 for OpenPrinting, 2 for LSB, and 2 for WireGuard. Slot count determined mainly by the availability of mentors. [15:46] - Bugs. [15:47] tkamppeter, did you get to try the GNOME printing tools to see how they compared to s-c-p yet? [15:47] Not yet. [15:48] k [15:48] thanks tkamppeter [15:48] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Trevinho [15:48] Trevinho, still awake? [15:48] seb128, I fear that s-c-p is till much more powerful. [15:48] nice typo :) [15:49] lol [15:49] :) [15:49] tkamppeter, well, it's a standalone UI so it would be easy to keep using it under GNOME if we want [15:50] not Trevinho I guess [15:50] (sorry if you sent summaries to willcooke, didn't got those fwded if that's the case [15:50] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: robert_ancell [15:50] same for robert_ancell [15:50] #topic aob === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: aob [15:50] other topics? [15:51] do we have anyone going to guadec? [15:52] good question [15:52] not that I know [15:52] not sure if we have official company time/budget, question for willcooke I guess [15:52] I expect some of us are going to go but I don't know if anyone signed up/decided yet [15:52] ok [15:53] jbicha, was there any GNOME work topic we wanted to discuss here? [15:53] we still need to set up a proper meeting where .au members can join [15:54] but we can discuss some small things here if we want [15:55] I don't think I have anything else specifically for today's meeting [15:55] good, we can still discuss things on the channel outside meeting time anyway [15:55] let's wrap then [15:56] thanks everyone! [15:56] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | requests paired with a pink killer will be given preferential treatment [15:56] Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:56:03 2017 UTC. [15:56] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-04-25-15.30.moin.txt [15:57] oSoMoN: thanks for picking up chromium maintenance, does 59 switch to gtk3? [15:59] oSoMoN, let us know on channel or list if you need testers for the ppa, there are probably a bunch of us who would be happy to help with that :-) [15:59] I see there's an old team/ppas at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily maybe it makes sense for you to get access and use those ppas? [16:01] +1 [16:01] back, and reading backloh [16:01] k, need to relocate, that place is closing [16:01] back online in 10min or so [16:02] kenvandine: I'm merging your gnome-shell changes, adding a few more demotions to suggests and then I'll probably go ahead and upload [16:02] jbicha, cool [16:02] jbicha, i'd like to eventually get back to recommending chrome-gnome-extension and switcheroo-control [16:03] but i think switcheroo-control is only useful with gdm3 atm right? [16:03] kenvandine: I don't think switcheroo-control has anything to do with gdm but I don't have hybrid graphics to check [16:03] and chrome-gnome-extension won't be a simple MIR, but i think we really want it [16:03] jbicha, i think if you have hybrid graphics gdm3 gives you an option to switch [16:04] at least based on my limited investigation [16:04] i don't have hybrid either [16:04] it seems to let you switch before logging in [16:04] afaict [16:04] http://www.hadess.net/2016/10/dual-gpu-integration-in-gnome.html [16:05] desktoppers - GUADEC approval is in progress. Watch this space [16:28] What's​ this about GUADEC approval mate? willcooke [16:28] Menzador, getting Canonicallers to GUADEC [16:29] Ah! That would be helpful :) [16:32] chrisccoulson: you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1683997 ? [16:32] Ubuntu bug 1683997 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox scrollbars are too narrow and difficult to use in Zesty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:52] tjaalton: for bug 1417980, maybe we shouldn't close Unity 7 bugs as long as Unity 7 will still be in universe? [16:52] bug 1417980 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add support for unified Xorg input driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417980 [16:56] gonna jet out of here [16:56] see you tomorrow! [17:04] * willcooke follows [17:04] night all [17:04] oh [17:04] no [17:04] I've got a meeting at 9pm [17:04] I'll be back later [17:11] jbicha: what difference would that make? no-one is going to fix that [17:12] and 1686081 should be moved to u-s-d, it should depend on -synaptics now [17:12] as unity is the only DE that doesn't support -libinput [17:12] if no one is going to fix Unity 7 issues, then I think it would be better to remove Unity 7 from Ubuntu… [17:13] I've tried to get this fixed for two years.. [17:14] is it possible to get Unity to bundle synaptics in a way that will allow unity-settings-daemon to work but not cause issues for gnome-settings-daemon? [17:14] don't see how [17:15] I wonder how badly Unity 7 would be broken if it switched to g-s-d, g-c-c… [17:16] no idea [17:19] very badly? for example Display settings in g-c-c needs org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig dbus name to change / see display configuration... [17:24] * oSoMoN EOD [17:24] good night everyone! [17:50] oh boy if we could remove every package that's had bugs untouched for two years.. :) [18:01] the specific bug here is LP: #1686081 [18:01] Launchpad bug 1686081 in xorg (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081 [18:09] hey, Unity runs with gnome-settings-daemon, you were right about the Displays panel being useless but at least it doesn't crash or anything [18:10] I think it's a good trade-off to drop unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center but let's see what the others thing [18:11] how Unity users will configure their displays? [18:12] does keybindings works? [18:12] over time there many things from gcc or gsd has been moved to mutter. [18:14] keybindings seem to work but I'm using VBox [18:15] Unity users will have to find a developer that cares enough to come up with some way to configure displays on Unity [18:16] I dont use Unity so it does not affect me. :) [18:16] but I think it's better than breaking Mouse & Touchpad settings in the default install because someone was curious to see how well Unity works in 18.04 [18:18] how did you test that it works with gsd and gcc? [18:18] well I hacked it to work, I just have to figure out if this is appropriate to push to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome [18:18] or if I should use a 2nd ppa for it [18:20] wait, I missed a step… [18:20] is there a way to kill usd in unity settings? if I kill it it is restarted. [18:21] in unity session... [18:22] this will take some more time… === JanC_ is now known as JanC [19:57] morning robert_ancell [19:58] willcooke, hi === ayan_ is now known as ayan [21:01] night all [21:03] how do you force the instller into ncurses mode [21:06] nomodeset* worked for me [21:34] jbicha: Thanks for the article link dude. [21:34] jbicha: Oh yeah I know about Alex. [22:44] TheMuso: good morning [23:11] jbicha: Hey dude, hope all is well. [23:27] jbicha, hmm, if I switch DM to GDM I just get a black screen. Is there anything special I have to do on 17.04? [23:28] :( [23:29] what graphics drivers are you using? [23:29] jbicha, intel [23:30] I tried disabling Wayland and enabling debug but no change [23:31] I don't know then [23:32] I was waiting for the first round of Zesty SRUs to get promoted out of -proposed before updating gdm3 and gnome-session to 3.24.1 [23:32] I figured it wasn't good to change too many parts of the critical GNOME infrastructure all at once [23:33] :) [23:33] jbicha, but as far as you know, just installing gdm/gnome-shell on 17.04 should be sufficient to boot to a GNOME desktop? [23:34] that's supposed to work, it's possible that there's a missing dependency since most people tested with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed [23:37] I'm trying now to see what happens… [23:38] ah, I was looking for the appropriate metapackage - installing that now [23:52] robert_ancell: it looks like I can confirm that issue :( [23:52] jbicha, but it doesn't occur with ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed?