| oerheks | 4.10.0-20-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:22:42 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 00:09 |
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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:04 |
| lotuspsychje | wow 80mb update this morning | 05:15 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: new kernels are out :) | 05:15 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic xenial | 05:16 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.75.81 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB | 05:16 |
| Bashing-om | to all a good nite . \o | 05:19 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-phone-no-further-updates-truly-dead | 05:55 |
| lotuspsychje | what a rip | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | users pay money for hardware and their left in the cold now | 06:04 |
| xangua | Doesn't most of the phones with Ubuntu are also offered with Android? | 06:20 |
| lotuspsychje | xangua: yeah users can switch back to android for sure | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | xangua: but i would at least think BQ whould take responsability | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | now its like, you bought a phone and its dead...we dont care | 06:23 |
| xangua | I imagine they should, wonder what happened with the people that had Firefox OS | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | is it also dead xangua ? | 06:23 |
| xangua | Officially recently, but they made a fork | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 06:25 |
| xangua | S/they/others | 06:26 |
| ducasse | good morning, all | 06:38 |
| manjaro-kde5- | ducasse: hi its immu here | 06:38 |
| manjaro-kde5- | brb | 06:38 |
| manjaro-kde5- | how do i change my nick | 06:38 |
| immu_manjaro | ducasse: EriC^^ back | 06:40 |
| immu_manjaro | good morning all | 06:40 |
| EriC^^ | hey immu_manjaro | 06:40 |
| EriC^^ | morning | 06:41 |
| lotuspsychje | morning EriC^^ & ducasse | 07:17 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 07:17 |
| lotuspsychje | grey weather over here | 07:17 |
| lotuspsychje | !wayland | 07:19 |
| ubot5 | Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ . Ubuntu is instead focusing on development of !Mir; see its factoid for more information. | 07:19 |
| lotuspsychje | another factoid request lost in space :| | 07:19 |
| ducasse | too bad, let's hope it will be changed today | 07:22 |
| lotuspsychje | it feels like everything we say in main, getting changed | 07:22 |
| lotuspsychje | X,wayland,mir,unity.. | 07:22 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/fix-gnome-wallpaper-inconsistency | 07:26 |
| lotuspsychje | morning brunch875 | 07:33 |
| brunch875 | g'morning lotuspsychje | 07:33 |
| brunch875 | it's opened up pretty rainy today. Very pleasant for a spaniard like me | 07:34 |
| lotuspsychje | lolll | 07:34 |
| lotuspsychje | olé olé | 07:34 |
| jink | Any thoughts on https://github.com/google/google-authenticator-libpam ? | 07:34 |
| ducasse | jink: "thoughts"? | 07:35 |
| jink | Does it work? Does it add value? Will I break everything when I just apt-get install it? | 07:35 |
| brunch875 | depends on what your need is, jink | 07:35 |
| brunch875 | but for my taste, it's just adding inconvenience everywhere | 07:36 |
| jink | Fair enough. | 07:36 |
| ducasse | i have a similar setup, but with a yubikey. | 07:37 |
| jink | I don't have a YubiKey. | 07:38 |
| lotuspsychje | uh oh split comming up | 07:41 |
| lotuspsychje | morning Dreyk & BobbyJr | 07:44 |
| BobbyJr | Good morning | 07:47 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:58 |
| lotuspsychje | morning lordievader | 07:59 |
| lordievader | Hey lotuspsychje | 07:59 |
| lordievader | How are you? | 07:59 |
| lotuspsychje | great here, grey day..lots of coffee, you lordievader ? | 07:59 |
| immu_manjaro | good morning | 08:21 |
| brunch875_ | heya immu_manjaro, how's manjaro? | 08:22 |
| immu_manjaro | excellent? | 08:22 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: Doing good here :) | 08:27 |
| lordievader | immu_manjaro: It didn't break yet :P | 08:27 |
| immu_manjaro | lordievader: nope lotuspsychje EriC^^ Nope | 08:28 |
| immu_manjaro | i installed skype, with manjaro pulling a deb file and installing skype :) | 08:30 |
| immu_manjaro | i have all the latest stuff, latest kernel and a non-hostile DE :) | 08:37 |
| brunch875_ | that's one thing I'm liking about fedora | 08:44 |
| brunch875_ | bleeding-edge | 08:44 |
| brunch875_ | although I couldn't get btrfs backups to work | 08:44 |
| brunch875_ | they should work as I'm handling them but the computer boots into rescue mode | 08:45 |
| immu_manjaro | fedora , once upon a time know as Redhat, my second linux distro, my first distro started with the name C | 08:49 |
| ducasse | brunch875_: backups? you mean snapshots? | 08:49 |
| brunch875_ | ducasse, precisely | 08:50 |
| brunch875_ | my process is taking a snapshot and then to rollback I mount the root of the filesystem and move root to root_old and snapshot to root | 08:51 |
| brunch875_ | then reboot the system | 08:51 |
| brunch875_ | then undo at the recovery console :/ | 08:52 |
| immu_manjaro | why would you do all that? brunch875_ | 08:52 |
| ducasse | to get snapshotting, probably | 08:52 |
| brunch875_ | immu_manjaro, you mean rolling back? I broke something in the system and was too lazy to fix it | 08:53 |
| brunch875_ | so I just rolled back | 08:53 |
| brunch875_ | eventually I had to learn how to fix the broken thing since rollback was unsuccessful | 08:53 |
| brunch875_ | what I don't remember anymore is what I broke. I tend to break things often | 08:54 |
| immu_manjaro | you use fedora brunch875_ ? | 08:54 |
| brunch875_ | at the moment, yes | 08:54 |
| brunch875_ | but I get the feeling this issue is fedora-related | 08:55 |
| brunch875_ | I've always looked at SELinux suspiciously | 08:55 |
| ducasse | brunch875_: snapshots are _nice_, though :) even though i prefer zfs myself, but i use btrfs for / | 09:05 |
| brunch875_ | ducasse, are you successfully snapshotting with btrfs? Maybe you have some caveats for me :p | 09:07 |
| brunch875_ | I'm probably just doing some rookie mistake | 09:07 |
| ducasse | when rolling back, you mean? | 09:08 |
| immu_manjaro | is btrfs stable? | 09:12 |
| ducasse | no | 09:12 |
| ducasse | it's stable enough for non-critical data. maybe. as long as you avoid certain features and the stars are aligned. | 09:15 |
| immu_manjaro | ducasse: :) | 09:17 |
| immu_manjaro | most distro use Ext4 | 09:17 |
| immu_manjaro | good Manjaro kernel comes with BFQ enabled | 09:17 |
| immu_manjaro | noop deadline cfq [bfq] ducasse see :) | 09:19 |
| immu_manjaro | is blue here now? ducasse i don't see him? some budy give him a call | 09:19 |
| ducasse | still too early. in a couple of hours, maybe. | 09:21 |
| immu_manjaro | i am +4 time zone. what about him? | 09:21 |
| brunch875_ | UTC+2 here | 09:31 |
| immu_manjaro | where is the dubot | 09:32 |
| brunch875_ | ...dubot? | 09:33 |
| immu_manjaro | ubuntu bot | 09:33 |
| immu_manjaro | the one which buts in with titbits of info | 09:33 |
| brunch875_ | !bot | 09:35 |
| ubot5 | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone | 09:35 |
| brunch875_ | there he is! | 09:35 |
| ducasse | !botsnack | 09:38 |
| ubot5 | Yum! Err, I mean, APT! | 09:38 |
| immu_manjaro | !bot | 09:38 |
| ubot5 | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone | 09:38 |
| immu_manjaro | thats how you summon him :) | 09:38 |
| immu_manjaro | what more can you do with ! ???? | 09:38 |
| lordievader | !info | 09:40 |
| lordievader | Oh it's the !bot | 09:40 |
| lordievader | immu_manjaro: In other words, pick his brain ;) | 09:41 |
| ducasse | !gender | 09:42 |
| ubot5 | yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) | 09:42 |
| ducasse | :) | 09:43 |
| immu_manjaro | ooo we have a she bot 1bot | 09:43 |
| immu_manjaro | !bot | 09:43 |
| ubot5 | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone | 09:43 |
| immu_manjaro | ooo we have a she bot !bot | 09:43 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:08 |
| ducasse | good morning, BluesKaj | 10:11 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning ducasse | 10:12 |
| immu_manjaro | hey BluesKaj morning | 10:19 |
| BluesKaj | hi immu_manjaro | 10:20 |
| immu_manjaro | like yesterday i am on manjaro :) but KDE of course :) | 10:20 |
| BluesKaj | why manjaro? This is ubuntu discussion chat | 10:24 |
| immu_manjaro | i feel manjaro has better intergration with KDE, feels solid | 10:24 |
| immu_manjaro | i know its ubuntu, here, but we have KDE as common :) | 10:25 |
| BluesKaj | that probly just me, the rest use unity or gnome here | 10:26 |
| BluesKaj | is | 10:26 |
| immu_manjaro | yup i know, KDE feels just like home, we can play so much around but for now i am keeping with defaults BluesKaj | 10:28 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: have you tried running an install from a usb3 hdd? | 10:28 |
| BluesKaj | yes on my laptop a few time s, ducasse | 10:29 |
| ducasse | how well did that work? | 10:29 |
| ducasse | i'm thinking of setting up a basic install to use for rescue situations etc. | 10:30 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, what usb protocol does a rpi3 have ? because I have a hdd connected to it containing / and the boot is on the sdcard , works fine | 10:33 |
| BluesKaj | it might be only usb 2.0 , not sure | 10:34 |
| ducasse | an rpi3 just has usb2 still, i think. it _might_ be usb3, but it won't be able to take advantage of the full bandwidth if it is. | 10:34 |
| BluesKaj | yes 2.0 | 10:36 |
| BluesKaj | just checked | 10:36 |
| lordievader | Is the ethernet port still on the same bus with the Rpi3? | 10:36 |
| ducasse | yep | 10:36 |
| lordievader | :( | 10:36 |
| lordievader | Too bad. | 10:36 |
| ducasse | great, isn't it? :) | 10:36 |
| lordievader | Yes, best decision ever. | 10:37 |
| lordievader | In the history of, maybe, ever. | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | the rpi3 wifi works great, right out of the box | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | ran ubuntu mate arm on it for a while , but mate isn't to my taste as a DE, but I do like the debian-jessie/raspbian pixel hybrid DE | 10:41 |
| ducasse | i keep hearing good things about pixel. i've begun thinking about finding something else for playing media on my tv, though, the rpi is too slow. | 10:43 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 10:44 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, essentially all those android boxes for sale telling ppl to cy the cord with their cable and sat services are modded rpi boxes woth kodi imstalled on them | 10:45 |
| ducasse | wb, lotus :) | 10:45 |
| BluesKaj | hi lotuspsychje | 10:45 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: yes, i was thinking more of a low/mid-end x86 box. | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx ducasse :p | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | downloading qbittorrent windows version for my win appz on the road collection | 10:49 |
| BluesKaj | the amazon box or roku, ducasse? | 10:50 |
| BluesKaj | qbittorrent is my choice too, very flexible and configurable torrent client | 10:52 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: afaik neither is available here, so maybe an intel nuc. | 10:52 |
| BluesKaj | those are mini computers , not really a tv box..neat devices tho | 10:53 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: other essentials on my stick are: winrar,vlc,drivermax,libreoffice,avira,firefox,classic shell,malwarebytes | 10:55 |
| BluesKaj | windows om a stick lotuspsychje ? | 10:56 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: i know, but 1) i was thinking of running other services on it as well, and 2) i have the option of using it for a desktop or something later | 10:56 |
| BluesKaj | on | 10:56 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: no, windows appz on the stick to help customers when im on the road | 10:56 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, yes , well i understand you have highend tech tastes so the intel nuc would be a good fit alright | 10:57 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje, ahh | 10:58 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: You are missing Kitty/Putty :P | 10:58 |
| lotuspsychje | whats kitty lordievader ? | 10:58 |
| lordievader | And perhaps WinSCP | 10:58 |
| lordievader | SSH client. | 10:58 |
| lotuspsychje | ah | 10:58 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: if i find something cheaper that would work i'll go for it, but i'm not interested in no-name chinese crap :) | 10:59 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, agreed 100% , I try to avoid chiese products as well after our kitchen stove conked out after 3 yrs....never agin , but it's difficult | 11:00 |
| immu_manjaro | :) | 11:01 |
| ducasse | the market is flooded with them online, but thankfully not here locally. | 11:01 |
| immu_manjaro | be careful | 11:02 |
| immu_manjaro | their are good chinese products | 11:02 |
| ducasse | when it comes to electronics, not many :) | 11:03 |
| BluesKaj | there might be, but like aI said it's difficult to separate the crap from the quality here in NA especially | 11:04 |
| BluesKaj | were flooded with junk products here | 11:04 |
| BluesKaj | we're | 11:05 |
| ducasse | even if you find something decent, warranty etc is probably problematic. | 11:05 |
| immu_manjaro | you can always read online reviews | 11:07 |
| lotuspsychje | we know that immu_manjaro | 11:07 |
| BluesKaj | lots of reviews are fake | 11:09 |
| immu_manjaro | lotuspsychje: then you have to trust your gut feeling | 11:13 |
| ducasse | stuff from multinationals that was produced in china is a different thing, because they have different standards for qa etc and you get warranty. a no-name android box from china is not something i would trust enough to buy. | 11:15 |
| immu_manjaro | ducasse: true | 11:16 |
| immu_manjaro | always buy stuff made in your country or a branded name etc | 11:16 |
| BluesKaj | immu_manjaro, have you tried to find products not made in china? it's a difficult search | 11:20 |
| ducasse | otoh the chinese make and sell some 'interesting' electronic products (hdcp strippers etc) that are illegal to market in the west :) | 11:21 |
| immu_manjaro | over here in UAE/AE, we have most branded stuff made in china and elsewhere | 11:21 |
| immu_manjaro | branded stuff + made in china and after sales support from where you buy then its ok | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | wb EriC^^ | 11:24 |
| BluesKaj | Hey EriC^^ | 11:26 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^ suggested me alibaba for chinese bulk stuff | 11:27 |
| lotuspsychje | buy like a container full of electronics | 11:27 |
| ducasse | maybe half will work? ;) | 11:27 |
| jink | Heh. | 11:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 11:27 |
| ducasse | i read about a guy here who bought a big spool of fiber from china, strung up on poles etc and connected to the nearest isp | 11:30 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 11:30 |
| ducasse | he lived in a very rural place, so no company wanted to do it. | 11:31 |
| lotuspsychje | jungle DIY | 11:32 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl cake :p | 11:32 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse, was the connection to ISP negotiated ? | 11:39 |
| immu_manjaro | lotuspsychje: alibab is a big B2B portal | 11:39 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: what do you mean? | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | did he steal the signal ? | 11:40 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: no, he paid a standard 'business' fee, iirc | 11:40 |
| immu_manjaro | ducasse: which place did that happ? cable | 11:41 |
| ducasse | BluesKaj: basically, he got 'one gigabit' instead of 'up to one gigabit' like consumers do | 11:42 |
| BluesKaj | cool ;-) | 11:42 |
| ducasse | immu_manjaro: where, you mean? | 11:42 |
| immu_manjaro | yeah | 11:43 |
| ducasse | north of bergen, iirc | 11:45 |
| immu_manjaro | ok | 11:47 |
| immu_manjaro | how many are you upon ubuntu? | 12:30 |
| immu_manjaro | brb amigos | 12:32 |
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| EriC^^ | hey guys | 13:54 |
| ducasse | \o EriC^^ | 13:55 |
| EriC^^ | hey ducasse | 13:55 |
| ducasse | i actually wanted to ask you something; are there any special requirements for setting up a usb drive for uefi boot? | 13:56 |
| EriC^^ | just use sudo grub-install --force-extra-removable | 13:57 |
| EriC^^ | so it also adds the efi in the path for removable media | 13:57 |
| ducasse | right, thanks. i'm setting up a base install for emergencies on an external drive, and vaguely recall running into some roadblock before with uefi. | 13:59 |
| EriC^^ | i see | 14:03 |
| ducasse | i see grub-install has a --removable option as well, i'll check out the info pages to see what the difference is. | 14:08 |
| EriC^^ | is it just me or is stuff listed twice in the man page? | 14:11 |
| ducasse | must be some bug in the source file. | 14:13 |
| ducasse | "For removable installs you have to use '--removable' and specify both '--boot-directory' and '--efi-directory'" | 14:14 |
| ducasse | that's all it says about that. | 14:14 |
| EriC^^ | ah | 14:16 |
| EriC^^ | is it also repeating for you? like you have 2 of each option and the explanation? | 14:16 |
| ducasse | yes, after the first --skip-fs-probe | 14:17 |
| ducasse | so --target etc is only listed later | 14:17 |
| EriC^^ | yup same here | 14:17 |
| ducasse | so it's in the package. you want to file a bug or shall i? :) | 14:18 |
| ducasse | it's probably just a trivial bug in the source used to generate the page. i wonder if it's the same in other locales? | 14:19 |
| EriC^^ | go ahead :) | 14:21 |
| ducasse | ok, i'll do it after dinner. i want to check a couple other locales first, now i'm curious ;) | 14:23 |
| immu | BluesKaj, ducasse EriC^^ did any one miss me? | 14:49 |
| immu | hmm | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | I was gone for while myself , but i don't think i was missed because I'm in and out 3-4 times/day | 15:05 |
| immu | oke , where are others? | 15:08 |
| BluesKaj | they might be busy in other support chats like #ubuntu etc, but regular chit chat isn't allowed there | 15:19 |
| immu | where do chitchat happ? | 15:24 |
| immu | is the off topic channel dead>? | 15:26 |
| ducasse | nobody sits and watches this channel all day long, most of the time it's pretty quiet. -offtopic is mostly used by a group of regulars. | 15:27 |
| immu | ducasse, lol true. | 16:17 |
| immu | i think off topic channel has closed | 16:20 |
| immu | ubuntu-offtopic :No such channel ducasse ???? | 16:20 |
| nacc | #ubuntu-offtopic | 16:21 |
| nacc | immu: | 16:21 |
| Menzador | I certainly hope we haven't closed... | 16:25 |
| Menzador | I'm an op in there | 16:26 |
| immu | please check Menzador ??? | 16:34 |
| Menzador | immu: Are you registered with NickServ? | 16:34 |
| immu | Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services | 16:38 |
| ducasse | !register | immu | 16:39 |
| ubot5 | immu: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. | 16:39 |
| immu | then how i was able to join these channel? | 16:39 |
| immu | is their a limit of two channels | 16:39 |
| immu | !register | immu | 16:40 |
| ubot5 | immu, please see my private message | 16:40 |
| ducasse | they don't require registration, -offtopic does | 16:40 |
| immu | interesting? why is that so ducasse ? whats the condition? | 16:43 |
| ducasse | certain channels want you to register to avoid spam from unregistered users, for example. | 16:45 |
| immu | « /nick immu » | 16:45 |
| immu | « /msg nickserv register d75gmrwk imranmohd72@hotmail.com » | 17:02 |
| ducasse | immu: hint - do that in the server tab, with another password ;) | 17:06 |
| immu | oops | 17:06 |
| immu | i just did that over there | 17:06 |
| ducasse | !register | immu see this | 17:08 |
| ubot5 | immu see this: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. | 17:08 |
| immu | « /msg nickserv register password_of_your_choice your@email.address » same like this? | 17:09 |
| ducasse | immu: ask in #freenode | 17:10 |
| immu | ducasse, yeah i am over there | 17:11 |
| ducasse | or try /msg nickserv help | 17:11 |
| immu | ducasse, done thanks | 17:15 |
| Wirehunter | goodevening | 17:55 |
| EriC^^ | evening Wirehunter | 18:10 |
| EriC^^ | hey nacc did you finish zero dawn yet? | 18:10 |
| nacc | EriC^^: not yet -- i don't play it as much as i want to | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | i juts finished it today, have you discovered what zero dawn is yet? | 18:11 |
| nacc | EriC^^: nope :( | 18:11 |
| EriC^^ | it's pretty interesting and stuff, not what you might expect (nuclear stuff) | 18:11 |
| nacc | EriC^^: nice! | 18:12 |
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