[00:09] 4.10.0-20-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:22:42 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [05:04] good morning to all [05:15] wow 80mb update this morning [05:15] lotuspsychje: new kernels are out :) [05:16] !info linux-image-generic xenial [05:16] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.75.81 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB [05:19] to all a good nite . \o [05:55] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-phone-no-further-updates-truly-dead [06:04] what a rip [06:04] users pay money for hardware and their left in the cold now [06:20] Doesn't most of the phones with Ubuntu are also offered with Android? [06:21] xangua: yeah users can switch back to android for sure [06:21] xangua: but i would at least think BQ whould take responsability [06:23] now its like, you bought a phone and its dead...we dont care [06:23] I imagine they should, wonder what happened with the people that had Firefox OS [06:23] is it also dead xangua ? [06:25] Officially recently, but they made a fork [06:25] kk [06:26] S/they/others [06:38] good morning, all [06:38] ducasse: hi its immu here [06:38] brb [06:38] how do i change my nick [06:40] ducasse: EriC^^ back [06:40] good morning all [06:40] hey immu_manjaro [06:41] morning [07:17] morning EriC^^ & ducasse [07:17] morning lotuspsychje [07:17] grey weather over here [07:19] !wayland [07:19] Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ . Ubuntu is instead focusing on development of !Mir; see its factoid for more information. [07:19] another factoid request lost in space :| [07:22] too bad, let's hope it will be changed today [07:22] it feels like everything we say in main, getting changed [07:22] X,wayland,mir,unity.. [07:26] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/fix-gnome-wallpaper-inconsistency [07:33] morning brunch875 [07:33] g'morning lotuspsychje [07:34] it's opened up pretty rainy today. Very pleasant for a spaniard like me [07:34] lolll [07:34] olé olé [07:34] Any thoughts on https://github.com/google/google-authenticator-libpam ? [07:35] jink: "thoughts"? [07:35] Does it work? Does it add value? Will I break everything when I just apt-get install it? [07:35] depends on what your need is, jink [07:36] but for my taste, it's just adding inconvenience everywhere [07:36] Fair enough. [07:37] i have a similar setup, but with a yubikey. [07:38] I don't have a YubiKey. [07:41] uh oh split comming up [07:44] morning Dreyk & BobbyJr [07:47] Good morning [07:58] Good morning [07:59] morning lordievader [07:59] Hey lotuspsychje [07:59] How are you? [07:59] great here, grey day..lots of coffee, you lordievader ? [08:21] good morning [08:22] heya immu_manjaro, how's manjaro? [08:22] excellent? [08:27] lotuspsychje: Doing good here :) [08:27] immu_manjaro: It didn't break yet :P [08:28] lordievader: nope lotuspsychje EriC^^ Nope [08:30] i installed skype, with manjaro pulling a deb file and installing skype :) [08:37] i have all the latest stuff, latest kernel and a non-hostile DE :) [08:44] that's one thing I'm liking about fedora [08:44] bleeding-edge [08:44] although I couldn't get btrfs backups to work [08:45] they should work as I'm handling them but the computer boots into rescue mode [08:49] fedora , once upon a time know as Redhat, my second linux distro, my first distro started with the name C [08:49] brunch875_: backups? you mean snapshots? [08:50] ducasse, precisely [08:51] my process is taking a snapshot and then to rollback I mount the root of the filesystem and move root to root_old and snapshot to root [08:51] then reboot the system [08:52] then undo at the recovery console :/ [08:52] why would you do all that? brunch875_ [08:52] to get snapshotting, probably [08:53] immu_manjaro, you mean rolling back? I broke something in the system and was too lazy to fix it [08:53] so I just rolled back [08:53] eventually I had to learn how to fix the broken thing since rollback was unsuccessful [08:54] what I don't remember anymore is what I broke. I tend to break things often [08:54] you use fedora brunch875_ ? [08:54] at the moment, yes [08:55] but I get the feeling this issue is fedora-related [08:55] I've always looked at SELinux suspiciously [09:05] brunch875_: snapshots are _nice_, though :) even though i prefer zfs myself, but i use btrfs for / [09:07] ducasse, are you successfully snapshotting with btrfs? Maybe you have some caveats for me :p [09:07] I'm probably just doing some rookie mistake [09:08] when rolling back, you mean? [09:12] is btrfs stable? [09:12] no [09:15] it's stable enough for non-critical data. maybe. as long as you avoid certain features and the stars are aligned. [09:17] ducasse: :) [09:17] most distro use Ext4 [09:17] good Manjaro kernel comes with BFQ enabled [09:19] noop deadline cfq [bfq] ducasse see :) [09:19] is blue here now? ducasse i don't see him? some budy give him a call [09:21] still too early. in a couple of hours, maybe. [09:21] i am +4 time zone. what about him? [09:31] UTC+2 here [09:32] where is the dubot [09:33] ...dubot? [09:33] ubuntu bot [09:33] the one which buts in with titbits of info [09:35] !bot [09:35] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone [09:35] there he is! [09:38] !botsnack [09:38] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [09:38] !bot [09:38] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone [09:38] thats how you summon him :) [09:38] what more can you do with ! ???? [09:40] !info [09:40] Oh it's the !bot [09:41] immu_manjaro: In other words, pick his brain ;) [09:42] !gender [09:42] yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) [09:43] :) [09:43] ooo we have a she bot 1bot [09:43] !bot [09:43] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone [09:43] ooo we have a she bot !bot [10:08] 'Morning folks [10:11] good morning, BluesKaj [10:12] 'Morning ducasse [10:19] hey BluesKaj morning [10:20] hi immu_manjaro [10:20] like yesterday i am on manjaro :) but KDE of course :) [10:24] why manjaro? This is ubuntu discussion chat [10:24] i feel manjaro has better intergration with KDE, feels solid [10:25] i know its ubuntu, here, but we have KDE as common :) [10:26] that probly just me, the rest use unity or gnome here [10:26] is [10:28] yup i know, KDE feels just like home, we can play so much around but for now i am keeping with defaults BluesKaj [10:28] BluesKaj: have you tried running an install from a usb3 hdd? [10:29] yes on my laptop a few time s, ducasse [10:29] how well did that work? [10:30] i'm thinking of setting up a basic install to use for rescue situations etc. [10:33] ducasse, what usb protocol does a rpi3 have ? because I have a hdd connected to it containing / and the boot is on the sdcard , works fine [10:34] it might be only usb 2.0 , not sure [10:34] an rpi3 just has usb2 still, i think. it _might_ be usb3, but it won't be able to take advantage of the full bandwidth if it is. [10:36] yes 2.0 [10:36] just checked [10:36] Is the ethernet port still on the same bus with the Rpi3? [10:36] yep [10:36] :( [10:36] Too bad. [10:36] great, isn't it? :) [10:37] Yes, best decision ever. [10:37] In the history of, maybe, ever. [10:37] the rpi3 wifi works great, right out of the box [10:41] ran ubuntu mate arm on it for a while , but mate isn't to my taste as a DE, but I do like the debian-jessie/raspbian pixel hybrid DE [10:43] i keep hearing good things about pixel. i've begun thinking about finding something else for playing media on my tv, though, the rpi is too slow. [10:44] good afternoon to all [10:45] ducasse, essentially all those android boxes for sale telling ppl to cy the cord with their cable and sat services are modded rpi boxes woth kodi imstalled on them [10:45] wb, lotus :) [10:45] hi lotuspsychje [10:45] BluesKaj: yes, i was thinking more of a low/mid-end x86 box. [10:45] hey BluesKaj [10:45] tnx ducasse :p [10:49] downloading qbittorrent windows version for my win appz on the road collection [10:50] the amazon box or roku, ducasse? [10:52] qbittorrent is my choice too, very flexible and configurable torrent client [10:52] BluesKaj: afaik neither is available here, so maybe an intel nuc. [10:53] those are mini computers , not really a tv box..neat devices tho [10:55] BluesKaj: other essentials on my stick are: winrar,vlc,drivermax,libreoffice,avira,firefox,classic shell,malwarebytes [10:56] windows om a stick lotuspsychje ? [10:56] BluesKaj: i know, but 1) i was thinking of running other services on it as well, and 2) i have the option of using it for a desktop or something later [10:56] on [10:56] BluesKaj: no, windows appz on the stick to help customers when im on the road [10:57] ducasse, yes , well i understand you have highend tech tastes so the intel nuc would be a good fit alright [10:58] lotuspsychje, ahh [10:58] lotuspsychje: You are missing Kitty/Putty :P [10:58] whats kitty lordievader ? [10:58] And perhaps WinSCP [10:58] SSH client. [10:58] ah [10:59] BluesKaj: if i find something cheaper that would work i'll go for it, but i'm not interested in no-name chinese crap :) [11:00] ducasse, agreed 100% , I try to avoid chiese products as well after our kitchen stove conked out after 3 yrs....never agin , but it's difficult [11:01] :) [11:01] the market is flooded with them online, but thankfully not here locally. [11:02] be careful [11:02] their are good chinese products [11:03] when it comes to electronics, not many :) [11:04] there might be, but like aI said it's difficult to separate the crap from the quality here in NA especially [11:04] were flooded with junk products here [11:05] we're [11:05] even if you find something decent, warranty etc is probably problematic. [11:07] you can always read online reviews [11:07] we know that immu_manjaro [11:09] lots of reviews are fake [11:13] lotuspsychje: then you have to trust your gut feeling [11:15] stuff from multinationals that was produced in china is a different thing, because they have different standards for qa etc and you get warranty. a no-name android box from china is not something i would trust enough to buy. [11:16] ducasse: true [11:16] always buy stuff made in your country or a branded name etc [11:20] immu_manjaro, have you tried to find products not made in china? it's a difficult search [11:21] otoh the chinese make and sell some 'interesting' electronic products (hdcp strippers etc) that are illegal to market in the west :) [11:21] over here in UAE/AE, we have most branded stuff made in china and elsewhere [11:23] branded stuff + made in china and after sales support from where you buy then its ok [11:24] wb EriC^^ [11:26] Hey EriC^^ [11:27] EriC^^ suggested me alibaba for chinese bulk stuff [11:27] buy like a container full of electronics [11:27] maybe half will work? ;) [11:27] Heh. [11:27] lol [11:30] i read about a guy here who bought a big spool of fiber from china, strung up on poles etc and connected to the nearest isp [11:30] cool [11:31] he lived in a very rural place, so no company wanted to do it. [11:32] jungle DIY [11:32] bbl cake :p [11:39] ducasse, was the connection to ISP negotiated ? [11:39] lotuspsychje: alibab is a big B2B portal [11:39] BluesKaj: what do you mean? [11:40] did he steal the signal ? [11:40] BluesKaj: no, he paid a standard 'business' fee, iirc [11:41] ducasse: which place did that happ? cable [11:42] BluesKaj: basically, he got 'one gigabit' instead of 'up to one gigabit' like consumers do [11:42] cool ;-) [11:42] immu_manjaro: where, you mean? [11:43] yeah [11:45] north of bergen, iirc [11:47] ok [12:30] how many are you upon ubuntu? [12:32] brb amigos === JanC_ is now known as JanC [13:54] hey guys [13:55] \o EriC^^ [13:55] hey ducasse [13:56] i actually wanted to ask you something; are there any special requirements for setting up a usb drive for uefi boot? [13:57] just use sudo grub-install --force-extra-removable [13:57] so it also adds the efi in the path for removable media [13:59] right, thanks. i'm setting up a base install for emergencies on an external drive, and vaguely recall running into some roadblock before with uefi. [14:03] i see [14:08] i see grub-install has a --removable option as well, i'll check out the info pages to see what the difference is. [14:11] is it just me or is stuff listed twice in the man page? [14:13] must be some bug in the source file. [14:14] "For removable installs you have to use '--removable' and specify both '--boot-directory' and '--efi-directory'" [14:14] that's all it says about that. [14:16] ah [14:16] is it also repeating for you? like you have 2 of each option and the explanation? [14:17] yes, after the first --skip-fs-probe [14:17] so --target etc is only listed later [14:17] yup same here [14:18] so it's in the package. you want to file a bug or shall i? :) [14:19] it's probably just a trivial bug in the source used to generate the page. i wonder if it's the same in other locales? [14:21] go ahead :) [14:23] ok, i'll do it after dinner. i want to check a couple other locales first, now i'm curious ;) [14:49] BluesKaj, ducasse EriC^^ did any one miss me? [15:01] hmm [15:05] I was gone for while myself , but i don't think i was missed because I'm in and out 3-4 times/day [15:08] oke , where are others? [15:19] they might be busy in other support chats like #ubuntu etc, but regular chit chat isn't allowed there [15:24] where do chitchat happ? [15:26] is the off topic channel dead>? [15:27] nobody sits and watches this channel all day long, most of the time it's pretty quiet. -offtopic is mostly used by a group of regulars. [16:17] ducasse, lol true. [16:20] i think off topic channel has closed [16:20] ubuntu-offtopic :No such channel ducasse ???? [16:21] #ubuntu-offtopic [16:21] immu: [16:25] I certainly hope we haven't closed... [16:26] I'm an op in there [16:34] please check Menzador ??? [16:34] immu: Are you registered with NickServ? [16:38] Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services [16:39] !register | immu [16:39] immu: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [16:39] then how i was able to join these channel? [16:39] is their a limit of two channels [16:40] !register | immu [16:40] immu, please see my private message [16:40] they don't require registration, -offtopic does [16:43] interesting? why is that so ducasse ? whats the condition? [16:45] certain channels want you to register to avoid spam from unregistered users, for example. [16:45] « /nick immu » [17:02] « /msg nickserv register d75gmrwk imranmohd72@hotmail.com » [17:06] immu: hint - do that in the server tab, with another password ;) [17:06] oops [17:06] i just did that over there [17:08] !register | immu see this [17:08] immu see this: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [17:09] « /msg nickserv register password_of_your_choice your@email.address » same like this? [17:10] immu: ask in #freenode [17:11] ducasse, yeah i am over there [17:11] or try /msg nickserv help [17:15] ducasse, done thanks [17:55] goodevening [18:10] evening Wirehunter [18:10] hey nacc did you finish zero dawn yet? [18:11] EriC^^: not yet -- i don't play it as much as i want to [18:11] i juts finished it today, have you discovered what zero dawn is yet? [18:11] EriC^^: nope :( [18:11] it's pretty interesting and stuff, not what you might expect (nuclear stuff) [18:12] EriC^^: nice! === JanC_ is now known as JanC