[00:09] <oerheks> 4.10.0-20-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:22:42 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> wow 80mb update this morning
[05:15] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: new kernels are out :)
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[05:19] <Bashing-om> to all a good nite . \o
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-phone-no-further-updates-truly-dead
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> what a rip
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> users pay money for hardware and their left in the cold now
[06:20] <xangua> Doesn't most of the phones with Ubuntu are also offered with Android?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> xangua: yeah users can switch back to android for sure
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> xangua: but i would at least think BQ whould take responsability
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> now its like, you bought a phone and its dead...we dont care
[06:23] <xangua> I imagine they should, wonder what happened with the people that had Firefox OS
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> is it also dead xangua ?
[06:25] <xangua> Officially recently, but they made a fork
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:26] <xangua> S/they/others
[06:38] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:38] <manjaro-kde5-> ducasse: hi its immu here
[06:38] <manjaro-kde5-> brb
[06:38] <manjaro-kde5-> how do i change my nick
[06:40] <immu_manjaro> ducasse: EriC^^ back
[06:40] <immu_manjaro> good morning all
[06:40] <EriC^^> hey immu_manjaro
[06:41] <EriC^^> morning
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^ & ducasse
[07:17] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> grey weather over here
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> another factoid request lost in space :|
[07:22] <ducasse> too bad, let's hope it will be changed today
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> it feels like everything we say in main, getting changed
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> X,wayland,mir,unity..
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/fix-gnome-wallpaper-inconsistency
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> morning brunch875
[07:33] <brunch875> g'morning lotuspsychje
[07:34] <brunch875> it's opened up pretty rainy today. Very pleasant for a spaniard like me
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> olé olé
[07:34] <jink> Any thoughts on https://github.com/google/google-authenticator-libpam ?
[07:35] <ducasse> jink: "thoughts"?
[07:35] <jink> Does it work?  Does it add value?  Will I break everything when I just apt-get install it?
[07:35] <brunch875> depends on what your need is, jink
[07:36] <brunch875> but for my taste, it's just adding inconvenience everywhere
[07:36] <jink> Fair enough.
[07:37] <ducasse> i have a similar setup, but with a yubikey.
[07:38] <jink> I don't have a YubiKey.
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> uh oh split comming up
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> morning Dreyk & BobbyJr
[07:47] <BobbyJr> Good morning
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[07:59] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:59] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> great here, grey day..lots of coffee, you lordievader ?
[08:21] <immu_manjaro> good morning
[08:22] <brunch875_> heya immu_manjaro, how's manjaro?
[08:22] <immu_manjaro> excellent?
[08:27] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Doing good here :)
[08:27] <lordievader> immu_manjaro: It didn't break yet :P
[08:28] <immu_manjaro> lordievader: nope lotuspsychje EriC^^ Nope
[08:30] <immu_manjaro> i installed skype, with manjaro pulling a deb file and installing skype :)
[08:37] <immu_manjaro> i have all the latest stuff, latest kernel and a non-hostile DE :)
[08:44] <brunch875_> that's one thing I'm liking about fedora
[08:44] <brunch875_> bleeding-edge
[08:44] <brunch875_> although I couldn't get btrfs backups to work
[08:45] <brunch875_> they should work as I'm handling them but the computer boots into rescue mode
[08:49] <immu_manjaro> fedora , once upon a time know as Redhat, my second linux distro, my first distro started with the name C
[08:49] <ducasse> brunch875_: backups? you mean snapshots?
[08:50] <brunch875_> ducasse, precisely
[08:51] <brunch875_> my process is taking a snapshot and then to rollback I mount the root of the filesystem and move root to root_old and snapshot to root
[08:51] <brunch875_> then reboot the system
[08:52] <brunch875_> then undo at the recovery console :/
[08:52] <immu_manjaro> why would you do all that? brunch875_
[08:52] <ducasse> to get snapshotting, probably
[08:53] <brunch875_> immu_manjaro, you mean rolling back? I broke something in the system and was too lazy to fix it
[08:53] <brunch875_> so I just rolled back
[08:53] <brunch875_> eventually I had to learn how to fix the broken thing since rollback was unsuccessful
[08:54] <brunch875_> what I don't remember anymore is what I broke. I tend to break things often
[08:54] <immu_manjaro> you use fedora brunch875_ ?
[08:54] <brunch875_> at the moment, yes
[08:55] <brunch875_> but I get the feeling this issue is fedora-related
[08:55] <brunch875_> I've always looked at SELinux suspiciously
[09:05] <ducasse> brunch875_: snapshots are _nice_, though :) even though i prefer zfs myself, but i use btrfs for /
[09:07] <brunch875_> ducasse, are you successfully snapshotting with btrfs? Maybe you have some caveats for me :p
[09:07] <brunch875_> I'm probably just doing some rookie mistake
[09:08] <ducasse> when rolling back, you mean?
[09:12] <immu_manjaro> is btrfs stable?
[09:12] <ducasse> no
[09:15] <ducasse> it's stable enough for non-critical data. maybe. as long as you avoid certain features and the stars are aligned.
[09:17] <immu_manjaro> ducasse: :)
[09:17] <immu_manjaro> most distro use Ext4
[09:17] <immu_manjaro> good Manjaro kernel comes with BFQ enabled
[09:19] <immu_manjaro> noop deadline cfq [bfq]  ducasse see :)
[09:19] <immu_manjaro> is blue here now? ducasse i don't see him? some budy give him a call
[09:21] <ducasse> still too early. in a couple of hours, maybe.
[09:21] <immu_manjaro> i am +4 time zone. what about him?
[09:31] <brunch875_> UTC+2 here
[09:32] <immu_manjaro> where is the dubot
[09:33] <brunch875_> ...dubot?
[09:33] <immu_manjaro> ubuntu bot
[09:33] <immu_manjaro> the one which buts in with titbits of info
[09:35] <brunch875_> !bot
[09:35] <brunch875_> there he is!
[09:38] <ducasse> !botsnack
[09:38] <immu_manjaro> !bot
[09:38] <immu_manjaro> thats how you summon him :)
[09:38] <immu_manjaro> what more can you do with ! ????
[09:40] <lordievader> !info
[09:40] <lordievader> Oh it's the !bot
[09:41] <lordievader> immu_manjaro: In other words, pick his brain ;)
[09:42] <ducasse> !gender
[09:43] <ducasse> :)
[09:43] <immu_manjaro> ooo we have a she bot 1bot
[09:43] <immu_manjaro> !bot
[09:43] <immu_manjaro> ooo we have a she bot !bot
[10:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:11] <ducasse> good morning, BluesKaj
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse
[10:19] <immu_manjaro> hey BluesKaj morning
[10:20] <BluesKaj> hi immu_manjaro
[10:20] <immu_manjaro> like yesterday i am on manjaro :) but KDE of course :)
[10:24] <BluesKaj> why manjaro?  This is ubuntu discussion chat
[10:24] <immu_manjaro> i feel manjaro has better intergration with KDE, feels solid
[10:25] <immu_manjaro> i know its ubuntu, here, but we have KDE as common :)
[10:26] <BluesKaj> that probly just me, the rest use unity or gnome here
[10:26] <BluesKaj> is
[10:28] <immu_manjaro> yup i know, KDE feels just like home, we can play so much around but for now i am keeping with defaults BluesKaj
[10:28] <ducasse> BluesKaj: have you tried running an install from a usb3 hdd?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> yes on my laptop a few time s, ducasse
[10:29] <ducasse> how well did that work?
[10:30] <ducasse> i'm thinking of setting up a basic install to use for rescue situations etc.
[10:33] <BluesKaj> ducasse, what usb protocol does a rpi3 have ? because I have a hdd connected to it containing / and the boot is on the sdcard , works fine
[10:34] <BluesKaj> it might be only usb 2.0 , not sure
[10:34] <ducasse> an rpi3 just has usb2 still, i think. it _might_ be usb3, but it won't be able to take advantage of the full bandwidth if it is.
[10:36] <BluesKaj> yes 2.0
[10:36] <BluesKaj> just checked
[10:36] <lordievader> Is the ethernet port still on the same bus with the Rpi3?
[10:36] <ducasse> yep
[10:36] <lordievader> :(
[10:36] <lordievader> Too bad.
[10:36] <ducasse> great, isn't it? :)
[10:37] <lordievader> Yes, best decision ever.
[10:37] <lordievader> In the history of, maybe, ever.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> the rpi3 wifi works great, right out of the box
[10:41] <BluesKaj> ran ubuntu mate arm on it for a while , but mate isn't to my taste as a DE, but I do like the debian-jessie/raspbian pixel hybrid DE
[10:43] <ducasse> i keep hearing good things about pixel. i've begun thinking about finding something else for playing media on my tv, though, the rpi is too slow.
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[10:45] <BluesKaj> ducasse, essentially all those android boxes for sale telling ppl to cy the cord with their cable and sat services are modded rpi boxes woth kodi imstalled on them
[10:45] <ducasse> wb, lotus :)
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[10:45] <ducasse> BluesKaj: yes, i was thinking more of a low/mid-end x86 box.
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse :p
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> downloading qbittorrent windows version for my win appz on the road collection
[10:50] <BluesKaj> the amazon box or roku, ducasse?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> qbittorrent is my choice too, very flexible and configurable torrent client
[10:52] <ducasse> BluesKaj: afaik neither is available here, so maybe an intel nuc.
[10:53] <BluesKaj> those are mini computers , not really a tv box..neat devices tho
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: other essentials on my stick are: winrar,vlc,drivermax,libreoffice,avira,firefox,classic shell,malwarebytes
[10:56] <BluesKaj> windows om a stick lotuspsychje ?
[10:56] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i know, but 1) i was thinking of running other services on it as well, and 2) i have the option of using it for a desktop or something later
[10:56] <BluesKaj> on
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: no, windows appz on the stick to help customers when im on the road
[10:57] <BluesKaj> ducasse, yes , well i understand you have highend tech tastes so the intel nuc would be a good fit alright
[10:58] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, ahh
[10:58] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: You are missing Kitty/Putty :P
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> whats kitty lordievader ?
[10:58] <lordievader> And perhaps WinSCP
[10:58] <lordievader> SSH client.
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> ah
[10:59] <ducasse> BluesKaj: if i find something cheaper that would work i'll go for it, but i'm not interested in no-name chinese crap :)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> ducasse, agreed 100% , I try to avoid chiese products as well after our kitchen stove conked out after 3 yrs....never agin , but it's difficult
[11:01] <immu_manjaro> :)
[11:01] <ducasse> the market is flooded with them online, but thankfully not here locally.
[11:02] <immu_manjaro> be careful
[11:02] <immu_manjaro> their are good chinese products
[11:03] <ducasse> when it comes to electronics, not many :)
[11:04] <BluesKaj> there might be, but like aI said it's difficult to separate the crap from the quality here in NA especially
[11:04] <BluesKaj> were flooded with junk products here
[11:05] <BluesKaj> we're
[11:05] <ducasse> even if you find something decent, warranty etc is probably problematic.
[11:07] <immu_manjaro> you can always read online reviews
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> we know that immu_manjaro
[11:09] <BluesKaj>  lots of reviews are fake
[11:13] <immu_manjaro> lotuspsychje: then you have to trust your gut feeling
[11:15] <ducasse> stuff from multinationals that was produced in china is a different thing, because they have different standards for qa etc and you get warranty. a no-name android box from china is not something i would trust enough to buy.
[11:16] <immu_manjaro> ducasse: true
[11:16] <immu_manjaro> always buy stuff made in your country or a branded name etc
[11:20] <BluesKaj> immu_manjaro, have you tried to find products not made in china? it's a difficult search
[11:21] <ducasse> otoh the chinese make and sell some 'interesting' electronic products (hdcp strippers etc) that are illegal to market in the west :)
[11:21] <immu_manjaro> over here in UAE/AE, we have most branded stuff made in china and elsewhere
[11:23] <immu_manjaro> branded stuff + made in china and after sales support from where you buy then its ok
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^ suggested me alibaba for chinese bulk stuff
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> buy like a container full of electronics
[11:27] <ducasse> maybe half will work? ;)
[11:27] <jink> Heh.
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:30] <ducasse> i read about a guy here who bought a big spool of fiber from china, strung up on poles etc and connected to the nearest isp
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:31] <ducasse> he lived in a very rural place, so no company wanted to do it.
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> jungle DIY
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> bbl cake :p
[11:39] <BluesKaj> ducasse, was the connection to ISP negotiated ?
[11:39] <immu_manjaro> lotuspsychje: alibab is a big B2B portal
[11:39] <ducasse> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> did he steal the signal ?
[11:40] <ducasse> BluesKaj: no, he paid a standard 'business' fee, iirc
[11:41] <immu_manjaro> ducasse: which place did that happ? cable
[11:42] <ducasse> BluesKaj: basically, he got 'one gigabit' instead of 'up to one gigabit' like consumers do
[11:42] <BluesKaj> cool ;-)
[11:42] <ducasse> immu_manjaro: where, you mean?
[11:43] <immu_manjaro> yeah
[11:45] <ducasse> north of bergen, iirc
[11:47] <immu_manjaro> ok
[12:30] <immu_manjaro> how many are you upon ubuntu?
[12:32] <immu_manjaro> brb amigos
[13:54] <EriC^^> hey guys
[13:55] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[13:55] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[13:56] <ducasse> i actually wanted to ask you something; are there any special requirements for setting up a usb drive for uefi boot?
[13:57] <EriC^^> just use sudo grub-install --force-extra-removable
[13:57] <EriC^^> so it also adds the efi in the path for removable media
[13:59] <ducasse> right, thanks. i'm setting up a base install for emergencies on an external drive, and vaguely recall running into some roadblock before with uefi.
[14:03] <EriC^^> i see
[14:08] <ducasse> i see grub-install has a --removable option as well, i'll check out the info pages to see what the difference is.
[14:11] <EriC^^> is it just me or is stuff listed twice in the man page?
[14:13] <ducasse> must be some bug in the source file.
[14:14] <ducasse> "For removable installs you have to use '--removable' and specify both '--boot-directory' and '--efi-directory'"
[14:14] <ducasse> that's all it says about that.
[14:16] <EriC^^> ah
[14:16] <EriC^^> is it also repeating for you? like you have 2 of each option and the explanation?
[14:17] <ducasse> yes, after the first --skip-fs-probe
[14:17] <ducasse> so --target etc is only listed later
[14:17] <EriC^^> yup same here
[14:18] <ducasse> so it's in the package. you want to file a bug or shall i? :)
[14:19] <ducasse> it's probably just a trivial bug in the source used to generate the page. i wonder if it's the same in other locales?
[14:21] <EriC^^> go ahead :)
[14:23] <ducasse> ok, i'll do it after dinner. i want to check a couple other locales first, now i'm curious ;)
[14:49] <immu> BluesKaj, ducasse EriC^^ did any one miss me?
[15:01] <immu> hmm
[15:05] <BluesKaj> I was gone for while myself , but i don't think i was missed because I'm in and out 3-4 times/day
[15:08] <immu> oke , where are others?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> they might be busy in other support chats like #ubuntu etc, but regular chit chat isn't allowed there
[15:24] <immu> where do chitchat happ?
[15:26] <immu> is the off topic channel dead>?
[15:27] <ducasse> nobody sits and watches this channel all day long, most of the time it's pretty quiet. -offtopic is mostly used by a group of regulars.
[16:17] <immu> ducasse, lol true.
[16:20] <immu> i think off topic channel has closed
[16:20] <immu> ubuntu-offtopic :No such channel ducasse ????
[16:21] <nacc> #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:21] <nacc> immu:
[16:25] <Menzador> I certainly hope we haven't closed...
[16:26] <Menzador> I'm an op in there
[16:34] <immu> please check Menzador ???
[16:34] <Menzador> immu: Are you registered with NickServ?
[16:38] <immu> Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[16:39] <ducasse> !register | immu
[16:39] <immu> then how i was able to join these channel?
[16:39] <immu> is their a limit of two channels
[16:40] <immu> !register | immu
[16:40] <ducasse> they don't require registration, -offtopic does
[16:43] <immu> interesting? why is that so ducasse ? whats the condition?
[16:45] <ducasse> certain channels want you to register to avoid spam from unregistered users, for example.
[16:45] <immu> « /nick immu »
[17:02] <immu> « /msg nickserv register d75gmrwk imranmohd72@hotmail.com »
[17:06] <ducasse> immu: hint - do that in the server tab, with another password ;)
[17:06] <immu> oops
[17:06] <immu> i just did that over there
[17:08] <ducasse> !register | immu see this
[17:09] <immu> « /msg nickserv register password_of_your_choice your@email.address » same like this?
[17:10] <ducasse> immu: ask in #freenode
[17:11] <immu> ducasse, yeah i am over there
[17:11] <ducasse> or try /msg nickserv help
[17:15] <immu> ducasse, done thanks
[17:55] <Wirehunter> goodevening
[18:10] <EriC^^> evening Wirehunter
[18:10] <EriC^^> hey nacc did you finish zero dawn yet?
[18:11] <nacc> EriC^^: not yet -- i don't play it as much as i want to
[18:11] <EriC^^> i juts finished it today, have you discovered what zero dawn is yet?
[18:11] <nacc> EriC^^: nope :(
[18:11] <EriC^^> it's pretty interesting and stuff, not what you might expect (nuclear stuff)
[18:12] <nacc> EriC^^: nice!