| cmaloney | J is done with her classes for the semester | 00:36 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | (save for the exams) | 00:36 |
| cmaloney | she literally knows just a hair more about networking and databases as when she started these classes | 00:37 |
| widox | derp | 00:47 |
| cmaloney | No joke | 01:18 |
| _stink_ | :/ | 01:22 |
| jrwren | sad. | 01:23 |
| jrwren | sad sad sad sad. | 01:23 |
| jrwren | maybe I should run an online networking and databases course ;) | 01:23 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: The "final presentation" worth 10% of their grade was terrible | 01:23 |
| jrwren | what did she pay to take the course? 2500$ ? | 01:23 |
| cmaloney | Was a project to set up a POS system for a business | 01:23 |
| jrwren | ha! | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | some people literally used something like ZoHo for their hotel | 01:24 |
| jrwren | well, POS system is a pretty great example of database. | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | JoDee's group actually used Access and set up the forms / database | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | some groups didn't even have their own database | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | (and one group, no joke, played an ad for Access in their presentation) | 01:24 |
| jrwren | huh | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | it was awful | 01:24 |
| jrwren | lolz. | 01:24 |
| cmaloney | and this was a 100 level Database class | 01:25 |
| jrwren | did you go watch presentations? | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | so no programming requirement | 01:25 |
| jrwren | wtf? a 100 level course? | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | a-yep | 01:25 |
| jrwren | what is the damn point of a 100 level DB course? | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | This thing was terrible | 01:25 |
| jrwren | there is no point! | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | exactly | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | Syllabus said they'd cover hadoop | 01:25 |
| jrwren | I said the same thing when I first saw a 200 level DB course :p | 01:25 |
| jrwren | rofl @ hadoop. | 01:25 |
| cmaloney | prof said he hated OSS software so they didn't cover hadoop | 01:25 |
| jrwren | holy shit. | 01:26 |
| jrwren | i'd have dropped as soon as I heard that, and demanded a refund. | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | They didn't even set up a SQL server for them to play around | 01:26 |
| jrwren | universities suck. | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | it's OCC. Unless you realize it within the first week you're fucked | 01:26 |
| jrwren | man, 10-20yrs ago... i get it... admining a sql server for courses is hard... now... with cloud... make students run their own. so easy. | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | Their teacher was a PhD in MIS from a diploma mill | 01:26 |
| cmaloney | I don't think he knows what a database is other than a cylinder on a chart | 01:27 |
| jrwren | I've never even heard of PhD in MIS | 01:27 |
| jrwren | is his name Gary Null? | 01:27 |
| cmaloney | No, but it might as well | 01:28 |
| cmaloney | Dude didn't even lecture, he just read their book to them | 01:28 |
| jrwren | bwahhahahaha. | 01:28 |
| jrwren | in this day and age... i can't imagine. | 01:28 |
| cmaloney | JoDee's currently taking the exam in the other room. She's literally using Google to answer the questions | 01:28 |
| cmaloney | and that's OK | 01:29 |
| cmaloney | encouraged even | 01:29 |
| cmaloney | JoDee said I could probably teach this class and do a better job of it | 01:30 |
| cmaloney | and she knows I'm not a patient person | 01:30 |
| cmaloney | but I don't think I could do much worse | 01:30 |
| cmaloney | So, to recap | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | 2017: | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | - Taught Access in a database course | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | - Given an extensive tutorial on Access (15% of grade to complete, was not checked) | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | - POS project (10% of grade) to folks who have never programmed before | 01:31 |
| cmaloney | - Barely covered SQL in any great depth outside of tutorials | 01:32 |
| cmaloney | - Threw ALL the relational terms at them at the beginning of the class | 01:32 |
| cmaloney | - Had them diagram (using relational diagrams) 1 - 1, 1 - many, many - many relationships. | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | - Didn't fucking mention a document database at all | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | - Didn't mention any databases other than Access and MSSQL | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | - Didn't touch Hadoop at all (Map? Reduce? Fuck that hippie shit) | 01:33 |
| cmaloney | - Redshift? Kafka? Redis? Away with those hippie databases based on shitty OSS. | 01:34 |
| cmaloney | For their project they could have used any database, but the computers in the lab wouldn't allow them to install shit | 01:35 |
| cmaloney | so most folks chose access (or decided on being marketing arms for zoho / Microsoft) | 01:36 |
| cmaloney | And (get this) some of those projects didn't even make their own databases | 01:36 |
| cmaloney | IN A DATABASE CLASS | 01:36 |
| cmaloney | Now, I may be one of those unwashed hippie Open Source loving freaks, but I would think in a database class that if the instructor says you're doing a POS system that you might need to ... | 01:37 |
| cmaloney | ... make a database | 01:37 |
| cmaloney | but that might be one too many bong-hits on the GNU Manifesto | 01:38 |
| jrwren | i'm actually ENTIRELY ok with teh relational diagrams and not mentioning document database and not touching hadoop or any of that other shit you said. | 01:40 |
| jrwren | "zomg, access isn't a database. excel is a database" | 01:40 |
| * jrwren searches for that comic | 01:41 | |
| cmaloney | Oh, and "Access is free"because it's part of Office | 01:41 |
| jrwren | http://wyorock.com/excelasadatabase.htm | 01:41 |
| cmaloney | (whichyou can get a copy of as a student and somehow register) | 01:42 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Ugh | 01:43 |
| cmaloney | I'll just take this screenshot and paste it into Word so I can attach it to my HTML mail. | 01:43 |
| jrwren | :) | 01:44 |
| * cmaloney cocks his gun | 01:44 | |
| cmaloney | The thing that bugs me the most is one of the other students in the class took it for the same reasons JoDee did (to better understand databases, including Hadoop) | 01:46 |
| cmaloney | and now he's done with trying to be a well-rounded developer and is planning to just focus on web development | 01:46 |
| cmaloney | If my options for becoming a more well rounded developer included this program I would just take BS classes on Udemy | 01:48 |
| cmaloney | she got one wrong on her exam | 02:05 |
| cmaloney | an exam that asked the optimum number of mappers | 02:05 |
| cmaloney | for a database they never covered. | 02:06 |
| _stink_ | disgraceful. | 02:09 |
| _stink_ | the course | 02:09 |
| _stink_ | not JoDee :P | 02:09 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, we agree that she has a homeopathic A | 02:10 |
| cmaloney | problem is it counts as much as a regular A from somewhere that actually teaches | 02:10 |
| cmaloney | And of course no evaluation | 02:11 |
| cmaloney | so it would be on her to let folks know how terrible this class was and how backward the professor is | 02:12 |
| cmaloney | but he's full-time faculty | 02:12 |
| cmaloney | they hired him to shape their program | 02:12 |
| cmaloney | She can't get a full-time job as a physics instructor, yet they hired someone who just happens to have a PhD in MIS | 02:13 |
| cmaloney | (Oh, and their project? They got 100%!) | 02:13 |
| cmaloney | (Pretty sure he didn't even look at the files) | 02:13 |
| cmaloney | (Or the tutorial) | 02:14 |
| cmaloney | (or any of their work) | 02:14 |
| cmaloney | He's worse than a rubber stamp: people likely think they can "database" after leaving this course | 02:14 |
| cmaloney | when all they have is a smattering of concepts and a false sense of knowledge | 02:14 |
| cmaloney | DBA? More like Dunning Kreuger Administrator | 02:15 |
| cmaloney | s/Kreuger/Kruger/ | 02:15 |
| cmaloney | But hey, I can't even pass proficiency tests in my field so what do I know? | 02:19 |
| hpucks | PhD in MIS? Oh lord. | 11:52 |
| cmaloney | hpucks: yeah | 13:00 |
| cmaloney | like a PhD in Burgerology | 13:01 |
| cmaloney | though burgerology might be more useful | 13:02 |
| shakes808 | this is pretty neat ( for the non-artist ) http://i.imgur.com/NlkLS1T.gifv | 20:52 |
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