[00:36] J is done with her classes for the semester [00:36] (save for the exams) [00:37] she literally knows just a hair more about networking and databases as when she started these classes [00:47] derp [01:18] No joke [01:22] <_stink_> :/ [01:23] sad. [01:23] sad sad sad sad. [01:23] maybe I should run an online networking and databases course ;) [01:23] jrwren: The "final presentation" worth 10% of their grade was terrible [01:23] what did she pay to take the course? 2500$ ? [01:23] Was a project to set up a POS system for a business [01:24] ha! [01:24] some people literally used something like ZoHo for their hotel [01:24] well, POS system is a pretty great example of database. [01:24] JoDee's group actually used Access and set up the forms / database [01:24] some groups didn't even have their own database [01:24] (and one group, no joke, played an ad for Access in their presentation) [01:24] huh [01:24] it was awful [01:24] lolz. [01:25] and this was a 100 level Database class [01:25] did you go watch presentations? [01:25] so no programming requirement [01:25] wtf? a 100 level course? [01:25] a-yep [01:25] what is the damn point of a 100 level DB course? [01:25] This thing was terrible [01:25] there is no point! [01:25] exactly [01:25] Syllabus said they'd cover hadoop [01:25] I said the same thing when I first saw a 200 level DB course :p [01:25] rofl @ hadoop. [01:25] prof said he hated OSS software so they didn't cover hadoop [01:26] holy shit. [01:26] i'd have dropped as soon as I heard that, and demanded a refund. [01:26] They didn't even set up a SQL server for them to play around [01:26] universities suck. [01:26] it's OCC. Unless you realize it within the first week you're fucked [01:26] man, 10-20yrs ago... i get it... admining a sql server for courses is hard... now... with cloud... make students run their own. so easy. [01:26] Their teacher was a PhD in MIS from a diploma mill [01:27] I don't think he knows what a database is other than a cylinder on a chart [01:27] I've never even heard of PhD in MIS [01:27] is his name Gary Null? [01:28] No, but it might as well [01:28] Dude didn't even lecture, he just read their book to them [01:28] bwahhahahaha. [01:28] in this day and age... i can't imagine. [01:28] JoDee's currently taking the exam in the other room. She's literally using Google to answer the questions [01:29] and that's OK [01:29] encouraged even [01:30] JoDee said I could probably teach this class and do a better job of it [01:30] and she knows I'm not a patient person [01:30] but I don't think I could do much worse [01:31] So, to recap [01:31] 2017: [01:31] - Taught Access in a database course [01:31] - Given an extensive tutorial on Access (15% of grade to complete, was not checked) [01:31] - POS project (10% of grade) to folks who have never programmed before [01:32] - Barely covered SQL in any great depth outside of tutorials [01:32] - Threw ALL the relational terms at them at the beginning of the class [01:33] - Had them diagram (using relational diagrams) 1 - 1, 1 - many, many - many relationships. [01:33] - Didn't fucking mention a document database at all [01:33] - Didn't mention any databases other than Access and MSSQL [01:33] - Didn't touch Hadoop at all (Map? Reduce? Fuck that hippie shit) [01:34] - Redshift? Kafka? Redis? Away with those hippie databases based on shitty OSS. [01:35] For their project they could have used any database, but the computers in the lab wouldn't allow them to install shit [01:36] so most folks chose access (or decided on being marketing arms for zoho / Microsoft) [01:36] And (get this) some of those projects didn't even make their own databases [01:36] IN A DATABASE CLASS [01:37] Now, I may be one of those unwashed hippie Open Source loving freaks, but I would think in a database class that if the instructor says you're doing a POS system that you might need to ... [01:37] ... make a database [01:38] but that might be one too many bong-hits on the GNU Manifesto [01:40] i'm actually ENTIRELY ok with teh relational diagrams and not mentioning document database and not touching hadoop or any of that other shit you said. [01:40] "zomg, access isn't a database. excel is a database" [01:41] * jrwren searches for that comic [01:41] Oh, and "Access is free"because it's part of Office [01:41] http://wyorock.com/excelasadatabase.htm [01:42] (whichyou can get a copy of as a student and somehow register) [01:43] jrwren: Ugh [01:43] I'll just take this screenshot and paste it into Word so I can attach it to my HTML mail. [01:44] :) [01:44] * cmaloney cocks his gun [01:46] The thing that bugs me the most is one of the other students in the class took it for the same reasons JoDee did (to better understand databases, including Hadoop) [01:46] and now he's done with trying to be a well-rounded developer and is planning to just focus on web development [01:48] If my options for becoming a more well rounded developer included this program I would just take BS classes on Udemy [02:05] she got one wrong on her exam [02:05] an exam that asked the optimum number of mappers [02:06] for a database they never covered. [02:09] <_stink_> disgraceful. [02:09] <_stink_> the course [02:09] <_stink_> not JoDee :P [02:10] Yeah, we agree that she has a homeopathic A [02:10] problem is it counts as much as a regular A from somewhere that actually teaches [02:11] And of course no evaluation [02:12] so it would be on her to let folks know how terrible this class was and how backward the professor is [02:12] but he's full-time faculty [02:12] they hired him to shape their program [02:13] She can't get a full-time job as a physics instructor, yet they hired someone who just happens to have a PhD in MIS [02:13] (Oh, and their project? They got 100%!) [02:13] (Pretty sure he didn't even look at the files) [02:14] (Or the tutorial) [02:14] (or any of their work) [02:14] He's worse than a rubber stamp: people likely think they can "database" after leaving this course [02:14] when all they have is a smattering of concepts and a false sense of knowledge [02:15] DBA? More like Dunning Kreuger Administrator [02:15] s/Kreuger/Kruger/ [02:19] But hey, I can't even pass proficiency tests in my field so what do I know? [11:52] PhD in MIS? Oh lord. [13:00] hpucks: yeah [13:01] like a PhD in Burgerology [13:02] though burgerology might be more useful [20:52] this is pretty neat ( for the non-artist ) http://i.imgur.com/NlkLS1T.gifv