[00:36] <cmaloney> J is done with her classes for the semester
[00:36] <cmaloney> (save for the exams)
[00:37] <cmaloney> she literally knows just a hair more about networking and databases as when she started these classes
[00:47] <widox> derp
[01:18] <cmaloney> No joke
[01:22] <_stink_> :/
[01:23] <jrwren> sad.
[01:23] <jrwren> sad sad sad sad.
[01:23] <jrwren> maybe I should run an online networking and databases course ;)
[01:23] <cmaloney> jrwren: The "final presentation" worth 10% of their grade was terrible
[01:23] <jrwren> what did she pay to take the course?  2500$ ?
[01:23] <cmaloney> Was a project to set up a POS system for a business
[01:24] <jrwren> ha!
[01:24] <cmaloney> some people literally used something like ZoHo for their hotel
[01:24] <jrwren> well, POS system is a pretty great example of database.
[01:24] <cmaloney> JoDee's group actually used Access and set up the forms / database
[01:24] <cmaloney> some groups didn't even have their own database
[01:24] <cmaloney> (and one group, no joke, played an ad for Access in their presentation)
[01:24] <jrwren> huh
[01:24] <cmaloney> it was awful
[01:24] <jrwren> lolz.
[01:25] <cmaloney> and this was a 100 level Database class
[01:25] <jrwren> did you go watch presentations?
[01:25] <cmaloney> so no programming requirement
[01:25] <jrwren> wtf?  a 100 level course?
[01:25] <cmaloney> a-yep
[01:25] <jrwren> what is the damn point of a 100 level DB course?
[01:25] <cmaloney> This thing was terrible
[01:25] <jrwren> there is no point!
[01:25] <cmaloney> exactly
[01:25] <cmaloney> Syllabus said they'd cover hadoop
[01:25] <jrwren> I said the same thing when I first saw a 200 level DB course :p
[01:25] <jrwren> rofl @ hadoop.
[01:25] <cmaloney> prof said he hated OSS software so they didn't cover hadoop
[01:26] <jrwren> holy shit.
[01:26] <jrwren> i'd have dropped as soon as I heard that, and demanded a refund.
[01:26] <cmaloney> They didn't even set up a SQL server for them to play around
[01:26] <jrwren> universities suck.
[01:26] <cmaloney> it's OCC. Unless you realize it within the first week you're fucked
[01:26] <jrwren> man, 10-20yrs ago... i get it... admining a sql server for courses is hard... now... with cloud... make students run their own. so easy.
[01:26] <cmaloney> Their teacher was a PhD in MIS from a diploma mill
[01:27] <cmaloney> I don't think he knows what a database is other than a cylinder on a chart
[01:27] <jrwren> I've never even heard of PhD in MIS
[01:27] <jrwren> is his name Gary Null?
[01:28] <cmaloney> No, but it might as well
[01:28] <cmaloney> Dude didn't even lecture, he just read their book to them
[01:28] <jrwren> bwahhahahaha.
[01:28] <jrwren> in this day and age... i can't imagine.
[01:28] <cmaloney> JoDee's currently taking the exam in the other room. She's literally using Google to answer the questions
[01:29] <cmaloney> and that's OK
[01:29] <cmaloney> encouraged even
[01:30] <cmaloney> JoDee said I could probably teach this class and do a better job of it
[01:30] <cmaloney> and she knows I'm not a patient person
[01:30] <cmaloney> but I don't think I could do much worse
[01:31] <cmaloney> So, to recap
[01:31] <cmaloney> 2017:
[01:31] <cmaloney> - Taught Access in a database course
[01:31] <cmaloney> - Given an extensive tutorial on Access (15% of grade to complete, was not checked)
[01:31] <cmaloney> - POS project (10% of grade) to folks who have never programmed before
[01:32] <cmaloney> - Barely covered SQL in any great depth outside of tutorials
[01:32] <cmaloney> - Threw ALL the relational terms at them at the beginning of the class
[01:33] <cmaloney> - Had them diagram (using relational diagrams) 1 - 1, 1 - many, many - many relationships.
[01:33] <cmaloney> - Didn't fucking mention a document database at all
[01:33] <cmaloney> - Didn't mention any databases other than Access and MSSQL
[01:33] <cmaloney> - Didn't touch Hadoop at all (Map? Reduce? Fuck that hippie shit)
[01:34] <cmaloney> - Redshift? Kafka? Redis? Away with those hippie databases based on shitty OSS.
[01:35] <cmaloney> For their project they could have used any database, but the computers in the lab wouldn't allow them to install shit
[01:36] <cmaloney> so most folks chose access (or decided on being marketing arms for zoho / Microsoft)
[01:36] <cmaloney> And (get this) some of those projects didn't even make their own databases
[01:36] <cmaloney> IN A DATABASE CLASS
[01:37] <cmaloney> Now, I may be one of those unwashed hippie Open Source loving freaks, but I would think in a database class that if the instructor says you're doing a POS system that you might need to ...
[01:37] <cmaloney> ... make a database
[01:38] <cmaloney> but that might be one too many bong-hits on the GNU Manifesto
[01:40] <jrwren> i'm actually ENTIRELY ok with teh relational diagrams and not mentioning document database and not touching hadoop or any of that other shit you said.
[01:40] <jrwren> "zomg, access isn't a database. excel is a database"
[01:41]  * jrwren searches for that comic
[01:41] <cmaloney> Oh, and "Access is free"because it's part of Office
[01:41] <jrwren> http://wyorock.com/excelasadatabase.htm
[01:42] <cmaloney> (whichyou can get a copy of as a student and somehow register)
[01:43] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ugh
[01:43] <cmaloney> I'll just take this screenshot and paste it into Word so I can attach it to my HTML mail.
[01:44] <jrwren> :)
[01:44]  * cmaloney cocks his gun
[01:46] <cmaloney> The thing that bugs me the most is one of the other students in the class took it for the same reasons JoDee did (to better understand databases, including Hadoop)
[01:46] <cmaloney> and now he's done with trying to be a well-rounded developer and is planning to just focus on web development
[01:48] <cmaloney> If my options for becoming a more well rounded developer included this program I would just take BS classes on Udemy
[02:05] <cmaloney> she got one wrong on her exam
[02:05] <cmaloney> an exam that asked the optimum number of mappers
[02:06] <cmaloney> for a database they never covered.
[02:09] <_stink_> disgraceful.
[02:09] <_stink_> the course
[02:09] <_stink_> not JoDee :P
[02:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, we agree that she has a homeopathic A
[02:10] <cmaloney> problem is it counts as much as a regular A from somewhere that actually teaches
[02:11] <cmaloney> And of course no evaluation
[02:12] <cmaloney> so it would be on her to let folks know how terrible this class was and how backward the professor is
[02:12] <cmaloney> but he's full-time faculty
[02:12] <cmaloney> they hired him to shape their program
[02:13] <cmaloney> She can't get a full-time job as a physics instructor, yet they hired someone who just happens to have a PhD in MIS
[02:13] <cmaloney> (Oh, and their project? They got 100%!)
[02:13] <cmaloney> (Pretty sure he didn't even look at the files)
[02:14] <cmaloney> (Or the tutorial)
[02:14] <cmaloney> (or any of their work)
[02:14] <cmaloney> He's worse than a rubber stamp: people likely think they can "database" after leaving this course
[02:14] <cmaloney> when all they have is a smattering of concepts and a false sense of knowledge
[02:15] <cmaloney> DBA? More like Dunning Kreuger Administrator
[02:15] <cmaloney> s/Kreuger/Kruger/
[02:19] <cmaloney> But hey, I can't even pass proficiency tests in my field so what do I know?
[11:52] <hpucks> PhD in MIS?  Oh lord.
[13:00] <cmaloney> hpucks: yeah
[13:01] <cmaloney> like a PhD in Burgerology
[13:02] <cmaloney> though burgerology might be more useful
[20:52] <shakes808> this is pretty neat ( for the non-artist ) http://i.imgur.com/NlkLS1T.gifv