[06:14] <ilzolende> pestering you because #ubuntu seems to be in the middle of something: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone doesn't seem to give much photo importing advice
[06:22] <xangua> There's basically 3 options with iOS devices, you just the last bleeding Ubuntu, you hold iOS updates or don't use iOS at all
[06:22] <ilzolende> it's my friend's ios device and i can't retroactively make her downgrade it
[06:23] <ilzolende> hmm, we could use bluetooth file transfer
[06:24] <ilzolende> oooor not
[06:44] <justanotheruser> hi all, how do i get 1920x1080 over VGA? i get [    49.101] (II) fglrx(0): Cannot get EDID information for CRT1
[06:45] <justanotheruser> thats at the end of the Xorg log
[06:45] <justanotheruser> also the other thing is, xubuntu ()14.04 is damn slow especially after running like 10hrs
[06:45] <justanotheruser> it comes to a crawl, and even freeze
[06:46] <justanotheruser> running fglrx here
[06:46] <pmjdebruijn> sounds like something worth investigating
[06:46] <justanotheruser> but somehow i dont see that this is related with the video card, its a seperate issue i think
[06:46] <pmjdebruijn> I ran fglrx a while ago, for me it caused crashes
[06:46] <justanotheruser> i mean the slow running thing
[06:47] <justanotheruser> then again it might be
[06:47] <justanotheruser> gpu is 5850, CPu running a quad core xeon
[06:47] <justanotheruser> with 4gb ram
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't really matter
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> something is just misbehaving
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> when your system is getting so slow
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> try running top
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> and see if anything is pulling a lot of cpu usage
[06:48] <justanotheruser> yeah i believe that too, it just starts to get sluggish after a while and then dead slow
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> especially if you left some apps long running
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> like browsers etc
[06:48] <justanotheruser> running chrome,
[06:48] <justanotheruser> but also tried it with brave
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> does quitting chrome solve the sluggisnish?
[06:48] <justanotheruser> same thing
[06:48] <justanotheruser> no it does not
[06:48] <justanotheruser> thats the first thing i thought off
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> also chrome or chromium?
[06:49] <justanotheruser> but quiting browser and then even logging out and back in does not solve it
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> generally speaking i'd mostly stick to software in there repos
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: have you tried the open source radeon driver as opposed to fglrx
[06:49] <justanotheruser> yeah the confusion i have is about those amd drivers
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> since fglrx isn't that great
[06:49] <justanotheruser> i wanna run wine with dx11 support
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> but that's true for most binary blobs drivers
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: first see what fglrx is the issue, then worry about what to do next
[06:50] <justanotheruser> as much as i understand the "radeon" driver does not support dx11
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> for troubleshooting it does not matter
[06:50] <justanotheruser> so what to do?
[06:50] <justanotheruser> any ideas?
[06:51] <justanotheruser> i dont even know where to begin lol
[06:51] <pmjdebruijn> just uninstall fglrx
[06:51] <justanotheruser> and replace with radeon?
[06:51] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if the issue disappears, then fglrx is the culprit
[06:52] <justanotheruser> also what is that amdgpu open source driver im so confused
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if you uninstall fglrx, it should automatically fall back on what ever driver is needed
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if all goes well, there no need for you to worry about that
[06:52] <justanotheruser> will the installation for the radeon driver suffice, trough the settings menu>>additional drivers?
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> at least that's what I recall from back when I used fglrx
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: the others drivers are already installed
[06:53] <justanotheruser> or doi have to manually purge fgrlx?
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> probably removing flgrx
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> but I don't have _that_ much experience with the blob driver
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> stick around, maybe someone else has a better idea
[06:54] <justanotheruser> the other thing is, there is fglrz and fglrx udate as choice
[06:54] <justanotheruser> the other thing is, there is fglrx and fglrx udate as choice*
[06:54] <justanotheruser> also any idea how i can force 1920x1080 on the display connected via  VGA_?
[06:55] <justanotheruser> i tried checking but all i found is, in threads "solved" i bought an HDMI cable, thats not what i want lol
[06:57] <justanotheruser> ok well i installed the open source driver now, will try to restart for now and see what happens.
[07:06] <justanotheruser> damn now im getting "Purging configuration files for fglrx (2:15.201.2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ... update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/atieventsd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) dpkg: error processing package fglrx (--purge):  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[07:06] <justanotheruser> why?
[07:07] <justanotheruser> nvm "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*" seems to do the trick
[07:08] <pmjdebruijn> yeah blob drivers tend to be a bit of a mess
[07:08] <justanotheruser> will have to reboot again, brb
[07:13] <justanotheruser_> so.. purging fglrx worked, it runs now ith the radeon driver, the question however is now, how do i get the 2nd display working, its at 1024x768 atm with the fglrx i got at least 1600x1200 its over VGA connected, and it can do 1920x1080
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> can i set somehwere the resolution manually via terminal? i guess yes, just dont know where, xorg.conf is not the place, at least not in /etc/X11
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> I don't think VGA supports 1920x1080
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> well i have not this computer also "hackintosh running" and it works on there
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> at least not officially
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> i have on*
[07:17] <justanotheruser_> where are the settings stored?
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> there a read-edid and edid-decode pacakge that might provide some insight
[07:18] <justanotheruser_> yeah but the radeon driver does not give me even the 1600x1080 that i have had before with the fglrx driver
[07:18] <justanotheruser_> so i wonder where does the open source driver save the settings
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> it doesn't
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> by default everything is just on auto detect
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> which depends on EDID
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> which is why I pointed you to those packages
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> as it can decode it for you
[07:20] <justanotheruser_> will have to look into that then never worked with EDID
[07:20] <justanotheruser_> thx for pointing me there
[07:28] <justanotheruser_> hrmm even i run the radeon driver it wont solve the problem that i will not be able to run dx11 games/apps with it
[07:29] <justanotheruser_> is there another driver that runs with my HD5850 beside the fglrx and the radeon driver?
[07:29] <justanotheruser_> that i could try
[07:30] <justanotheruser_> because i recall seeing mentionings about a driver called amdgpu open source but im confused, it sounds like it is the same as radeon but some other threads seem to talk its something seperate
[07:31] <justanotheruser_> and i cant seem to find it to install for xubuntu 14.04
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> also keep in mind that 14.04 is becoming a bit dated now
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> for all you know this issue may have already been resolved in 16.04
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[07:32] <pmjdebruijn> ATI stopped updating fglrx for newer distros, didn't they
[07:32] <justanotheruser_> yeah but the problem is that 16,04 runs a 4x kernel where the fglrx does not work and i need a proprietary driver to run playonlinux/steam/sto
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> have you tried 16.04 with the opensource drivers?
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> typically you lose some performance though
[07:34] <justanotheruser_> yes i tried,
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> i cant start the game with the kernel
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> it gives an error msg
[07:35] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> because wine 2.3 does not load dx11
[07:36] <pmjdebruijn> to be honest gaming via wine always seemed like a fragile proposition
[07:36] <pmjdebruijn> I'm sorry I don't have any better ideas for you
[07:36] <justanotheruser_> i apriciate the time and tips you had so far, no need to apologize
[07:37] <justanotheruser_> i guess i will go back to fglrx, but i still dont understand the difference between fglrx and fglrx-update
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> try sticking with the open source drivers for a day or so
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> so you at least know if the sluggishness issues are the fglrx driver
[07:38] <pmjdebruijn> then at least you don't need to look any further
[07:38] <justanotheruser_> you mean to see if the performance drag down is caused by the  driver?
[07:38] <justanotheruser_> yeah good idea, will do that
[07:40] <justanotheruser_> well it does seem snappier then before ,. so far
[11:01] <bonsaitree> Has someone succeeded in making Viber work on Xubuntu?
[11:08] <bazhang> what is viber
[11:09] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, install the per the site, it's been tested on ubuntu and fedora.  choose one.
[11:15] <bonsaitree> cfhowlett, This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb"
[11:15] <bonsaitree> in "".
[11:15] <bonsaitree> . How do i install this plugin?
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't the viper package have proper dependancies?
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> sudo apt-get install -f
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> does that do anything?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> pmjdebruijn, nope. not in the repos, so may/may not function properly
[11:16] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn,No changes after running that command
[11:17] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, sounds like something you should ask the publisher.
[11:18] <pmjdebruijn> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[11:18] <pmjdebruijn> I do have that file on 16.04
[11:18] <bonsaitree> The thing is i've managed to make Viber to work under Xubuntu somehow ~ 8-9 months ago. But the thing that is the most likely that i have done, is not doing the trick now
[11:19] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I do have it here: /opt/viber/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[11:19] <pmjdebruijn> does       QT_QPA_PLATFORM_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms /opt/viber/viber            work?
[11:20] <pmjdebruijn> or whatever it is installed
[11:22] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, With the second 'viber' you are referring to the executable?
[11:23] <pmjdebruijn> indeed
[11:24] <pmjdebruijn> it's just the full path to the executable
[11:24] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24453688/
[11:25] <pmjdebruijn> yeah sorry no clue
[11:25] <pmjdebruijn> crappy applications is exceptionally crappy
[11:26] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, When all your friends are using it, you are trying to make it work under your OS ..
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> don't they have a web version?
[11:26] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I think no
[11:27] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: I would suggest asking about this in a knowledge specific channel, like for Qt for example
[11:27] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, What is the channel name? Thanks btw
[11:28] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[11:28] <pmjdebruijn> did you try #qt ?
[11:28] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yeah, that's the channel
[11:29] <pmjdebruijn> if you find a solution, it would be a nice topic for a blog-post kinda thing, so others can find the solution
[11:32] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yup, and it's very clever to write the fixes down, because after actively using Linux as a main os for 2 years, i start to get many deja-vus :D
[11:34] <flocculant> bonsaitree: when you saut it doesn't start - do you mean at all? because grabbing the package and installing it on 17.04 (though updated to 17.10) installs and starts fine - removed it now. That said I have some other qt4/5 apps installed AND some -dev packages. As pmjdebruijn says you likely need to talk elsewhere - you could try #ubuntu more eyes there, maybe someone is more likely to use it
[11:34] <flocculant> s/when you saut/when you say
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: for running commercial apps, running 16.04 tends to work better, since vendors often test on that version
[11:35] <flocculant> pmjdebruijn: that ^^
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> but in the end it varies from vendor to vendor of course
[11:35] <flocculant> it says it is tested - very likely that means LTS
[11:37] <bonsaitree> flocculant:When i click the Viber icon it says: "Failed to execute command "viber"". Failed to execute child process "viber" (No such file or directory).
[11:37] <flocculant> bonsaitree: then you have local issues - didn't even install any dependencies here - as I said try #ubuntu
[11:38] <bonsaitree> flocculant, I've followed a web help page which states that you should edit the /usr/share/applications/viber.desktop, adding 2 lines: Exec=viber
[11:38] <bonsaitree> Path=/opt/viber
[11:38] <flocculant> good luck
[11:39] <bonsaitree> flocculant, The guys at #ubuntu are awesome, but they did not like to help me with Viber, i have also been told to not talk about Viber at all
[11:39] <bonsaitree> flocculant, Thanks
[11:42] <bazhang> fully updated to 17.10 would be quite the treat
[11:43] <cfhowlett> trick?  or treat?
[11:43] <bazhang> still no toolchain afaict
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: not everybody likes to hear about commercial software being broken
[11:48] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, :D
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> keep in mind that #ubuntu and #xubuntu and Ubuntu and XUbuntu support channels
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> not Viber support channels
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> and you are actually wanting Viber support, technically speaking
[11:49] <pmjdebruijn> with the #ubuntu channel being often very busy, it's sometimes a matter of keeping the signal to noise ratio higher
[11:49] <pmjdebruijn> so I can understand where they are coming from
[11:50] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yup, i agree
[11:59] <bonsaitree> Okay, how do i do a full update to 17.10?
[12:00] <bonsaitree> (the internet is full of different commands for a distro update so i don't know which one to use)
[12:00] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, jump in time machine.  go to October 2017 when it's released. download and install.
[12:01] <cfhowlett> OR ... use the current supported versions and wait - patiently - for 17.10
[12:01] <bonsaitree> Well, someone broke the laws of physics: <flocculant> bonsaitree: when you saut it doesn't start - do you mean at all? because grabbing the package and installing it on 17.04 (though updated to 17.10) installs and starts fine - removed it now.
[12:02] <bonsaitree> cfhowlett, Or 17.04 anyway :) Which command to use?
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> huh
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> I thought you were already on 17.04
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> uhm
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> 17.10
[12:04] <cfhowlett> !17.10
[12:04] <pmjdebruijn> oh doh
[12:04] <pmjdebruijn> of course
[12:06] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I am on 16.04.2 atm
[12:06] <pmjdebruijn> ooooh :s
[15:22] <v3n0m> Arch Linux vs Ubuntu? Which is fast?
[15:28] <rud0lf> somebody asking on ubuntu channel which distro they like the most :)
[15:37] <akxwi-dave> TOS version 2.04
[15:38] <sim642> My upgraded xubuntu still locks screen with xscreensaver, how do I change that to lightlocker?
[15:39] <GridCube> remove xscreensaver
[15:41] <sim642> Oh, I didn't expect it to automagically pick up the other one
[16:07] <sim642> After upgrading to 16.04 some icons in the indicator panel seem to be cropped to size, not scaled
[16:07] <sim642> Any idea about that?
[16:14] <GridCube> sim642: it's possible it hasn't had reset properly, i'd just rename the ~/.config/xfce4 folder and let it respawn in the next login
[16:17] <sim642> doesn't that contain some other custom configuration though?
[19:21] <v3n0m> Arch linux vs ubuntu speed comparison?
[20:18] <xangua> Ubuntu has the community, Arch the speed, but xfce is pretty snappy in any distro you choose
[21:24] <CrazyLikeAFox> So, trying to copy my last laptop's hard disk onto here, without changing the source any. It's failing due to no read permission.
[21:24] <CrazyLikeAFox> Can I copy it as root and have it not mess with permissions?
[22:33] <bonsaitree> I don't know if others have reported this, but there is a video driver glitch in Xubuntu. I think its because of the kernel, since it started appearing after i updated to 4.8 kernel, although i was on 16.04.2 back then (3-4 days ago). However, it is present on 17.04 too. The glitch is that when you are alt+tab-ing or when you are doing something dynamic (browser scrolling, watching a video, etc), there is a trapezoid-like line (like a varying
[22:33] <bonsaitree> voltage level lol) that is appearing on the middle of the screen. That was present in the past too, but it was a single line and it wasn't noticeable. Now it's trapezoid-alike and it's annoying, like it cuts through whatever dynamic you are doing/watching.