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[00:43] <deemo> How does thou disable a touchpad in Lubuntu?
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[06:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <LRB> I have a strange problem I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting. Whenever I choose "Take a New Screenshot" in spectacle, all of my window decorations disappear.
[07:12] <LRB> Spectacle is version 16.12.3
[07:13] <LRB> I'm running Ubuntu 17.04 and everything is up-to-date
[07:13] <LRB> Kubuntu*
[07:14] <LRB> It's basically a new installation. I've got the breeze-dark theme going but that's about the only modification I've made to the WM. I modified the scaling too, but I don't think that would have any affect
[07:15] <LRB> Something to note is that after the decorations disappear I'm unable to change focus of my applications.
[07:23] <hateball> LRB: hmmm, weird
[07:24] <hateball> wonder if I have a machine to reproduce on (running 16.04 on this one)
[07:24] <LRB> I found out it has specifically to do with the active window screenshot
[07:24] <hateball> Pretty sure I was taking a screenshot when I played a game this weekend tho... on 17.04
[07:25] <LRB> Fullscreen screenshots work just fine. I guess it's only the active window ones. For example, if I press meta+printscreen, it happens. If I press shift+printscreen, I get the screenshot notification as expected
[07:36] <hateball> LRB: ah
[07:36] <hateball> I only press printscreen and took a fullscreen pic
[07:36] <hateball> can test when I get home in... 9 hours :p
[07:40] <LRB> Alright lol. It's not an enormous problem for me, but it's still a pretty weird bug.
[09:05] <obert> hello, how to upgrade from 16.04 to 17?
[09:05] <obert> it is not apt-get upgrade, isn't it?
[09:06] <lordievader> You can't in one go... 17.04 ain't a LTS.
[09:07] <obert> no?
[09:07] <lordievader> However, you can do 'do-release-upgrade' twice.
[09:07] <lordievader> Nope
[09:07] <lordievader> Only even numbered .04's are LTSes.
[09:07] <obert> is it recommend to upgrade?
[09:08] <lordievader> Honestly, don't know. I'm kind of out of the loop.
[09:08] <lordievader> I'm sure others are better able to tell you, if you stick around.
[09:08] <hateball> obert: I've had no issues, fwiw
[09:08] <hateball> going from... cant remember my base install at home, possibly 14.04
[09:08] <hateball> and then upgrading every 6 months
[09:08] <obert> mmm
[09:09] <obert> I am not an advanced user
[09:09] <obert> maybe LTS is enough for me
[09:09] <hateball> anyhow, 16.04-16.10-17.04 was completely painless iirc
[09:10] <hateball> more of a pain dealing with 16.04 + PPA to keep Plasma somewhat stable :p
[09:11] <obert> also do you know if there are issues with kubuntu and vmware workstation 12?
[09:12] <hateball> as in... running Kubuntu as host or guest?
[09:12] <obert> guest
[09:12] <obert> but mouse clicking doesn't works in my vm
[09:12] <obert> so I had to install ubuntu
[09:13] <hateball> obert: did you install open-vm-tools in the guest?
[09:13] <obert> hehe yes
[09:13] <hateball> possibly related to wanting/needing compositing, but I dunno
[09:13] <hateball> I only run Kubuntu on bare metal :p
[09:13] <hateball> and headless linux on esxi
[09:13] <obert> I dunno, I only know that ubuntu works and kubuntu no
[09:14] <obert> it could be about vmware or gfx card
[09:15] <mparillo> obert: open-vm-tools-desktop?
[09:16] <obert> mparillo: as far as I know it's 'vmmare tools'
[09:16] <obert> vmware tools
[09:18] <hateball> yes for a GUI machine you'll want open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:19] <hateball> obert: the old vmware tools are deprecated, use the distro provided ones
[09:19] <zamazan4ik> hello. Do you know problem with ctrl+shift+smth hotkeys on non-US languages?
[09:20] <zamazan4ik> i had this problem with kubuntu 17.04
[09:20] <zamazan4ik> how can i fix it?
[09:21] <hateball> zamazan4ik: What would be the problem?
[09:21] <hateball> As I am using hotkeys just fine on sv_SE locale
[09:21] <mparillo> obert: I used to use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/amd64/open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:22] <mparillo> for running Kubuntu as a guest in VMware
[09:22] <zamazan4ik> hateball: when i use e.g. ctrl+shift+T (for konsole) i get language switching (ctrl+shift) instead of konsole(ctrl+shift+T)
[09:22] <mparillo> login to you guest, and sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:22] <mparillo> And re-boot your guest.
[09:23] <hateball> zamazan4ik: hmmm oh, I dont use language switching.. but shouldnt that be ctrl+alt+shift? otherwise ctrl+shift will obviously happen before ctrl+shift+something
[09:23] <obert> mparillo: I will try to install them
[09:23] <zamazan4ik> hateball: on previous versions all worked fine
[09:23] <obert> but I don't know how to do it I think
[09:25] <hateball> obert: alt+space should open krunner, launch konsole from there, and then run what mparillo said
[09:27] <obert> hateball: mouse clicking doesn't works in the vm so I cannot do alt+space
[09:28] <hateball> obert: by default if the VM window has focus you should be "on the desktop" so just pressing any key should bring up krunner
[09:29] <obert> hateball: tried many times:  no luck
[09:29] <hateball> obert: does keyboard input work in the grub menu? like can you hold shift when the VM boots?
[09:30] <hateball> then you could perhaps enter singleusermode and pull in the open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:33] <obert> hateball: I have to try, busy a while
[09:39] <obert> hateball: holding shift does not doing anything
[10:14] <hateball> obert: weird. but I have no experience with vmware workstation so I dunno what else could be checked
[10:14] <obert> thank you hateball
[10:17] <hateball> obert: you may have some luck asking in #vmware, but if regular ubuntu works... then that is weird. it is same kernel/grub
[10:18] <obert> yeah infact I asked here if there are issues with vmware and kubuntu itself
[10:19] <obert> lunch, later and thanks again
[11:53] <K-ubuntuer> Hi
[11:53] <K-ubuntuer> Anyone here?
[11:59] <K-ubuntuer> Hello?
[12:00] <ElectrcNINJA> Ello.
[12:00] <ElectrcNINJA> (Kind of just lurking)
[12:00] <acheronUK> !help | K-ubuntuer
[12:00] <K-ubuntuer> Oh
[12:01] <K-ubuntuer> Then what's the differences are there between kde and unity?
[12:06] <K-ubuntuer> :/ I just asked a question
[12:06] <KurousagiMK2> unity dead... Canonical buried him. there is nothing to compare.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:10] <K-ubuntuer> Hi :)
[12:10] <K-ubuntuer> Yes, unity is already dead :( though gnome is going to replace it
[12:39] <majorana> Hi! Yesterday the KDE team accounced Plasma 5.9.5; How long does it (usually) take until the updates find their way to the repo? When can I expect them to install?
[12:45] <K-ubuntuer> I'm not sure
[12:48] <hateball> majorana: you may have more luck asking in #kubuntu-devel
[12:48] <hateball> "not long"
[12:49] <K-ubuntuer> Yep I know right
[12:50] <acheronUK> majorana: will hopefully be uploading to Artful later or tomorrow, then if ok, to zesty soon. but with zesty as a stable release update (SRU) it will have to sepnd a week or so at least in 'proposed' for testing before it will be allowed into updates officially
[12:54] <majorana> @archeronUK Thanks! So the usual delay is about a week plus/minus a few days
[12:54] <acheronUK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[12:54] <acheronUK> the procedure we have to follow ^^^
[12:54] <acheronUK> for the main archive
[12:55] <majorana> Alright, I will check it out!
[12:58] <acheronUK> we wanted to try to get 5.9.5 in the main archive for this update, so everyone can benefit, rather than just put it in a ppa that only a fraction of people might think to enable
[13:08] <majorana> I think that's a good idea :-)
[13:12] <majorana> Is the Kubuntu installer part of the KDE project or part of Kubuntu? I would like to make a proposal.
[13:18] <acheronUK> the installer is ubiquity which is a ubuntu thing. we just use a KDE/Qt front end to it
[13:22] <majorana> Thanks. I just found, that my idea already was proposed six years ago and nothing happend since then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/871752 :-(
[13:23] <K-ubuntuer> The kubuntu installer doesn't use ubiquity
[13:27] <majorana> Which one does it use instead? It really looks like ubiquity
[13:27] <K-ubuntuer> Wait I'll find out
[13:27] <majorana> Merci!
[13:30] <K-ubuntuer> It's an installer called Calamares.
[13:31] <acheronUK> K-ubuntuer: we do use ubiquity
[13:31] <majorana> Okay, that's the one Manjaro also uses (besides other distros https://calamares.io/about/)
[13:31] <K-ubuntuer> That's for ubuntu and ubuntu GNOME
[13:31] <K-ubuntuer> Ubiquity
[13:32] <majorana> I think acheronUK is right, only KDE Neon is listed on the calamares website
[13:32] <acheronUK> majorana: I KNOW I am right. I'm a kubuntu developer. I know precisely what we use
[13:33] <majorana> :-D I better hope so!
[13:33] <K-ubuntuer> Yep kubuntu is listed on calamares website: Calamares is maintained by the Calamares team. Most of us are also KDE developers, and we have received contributions from BBQLinux, Fedora, KaOS, Kubuntu, Manjaro, Maui, Netrunner and OpenMandriva developers as well.
[13:35] <acheronUK> majorana: Another kubuntu developer 'contributes' to Calameres, but we (kubuntu) use Ubiquity
[13:35] <K-ubuntuer> Oh I get it now
[13:36] <acheronUK> majorana: this is our front end: http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ubiquity-frontend-kde
[13:37] <majorana> Also Calamares already makes the thing right I am complaining about: The keyboard layout comes right after the language: http://i.imgur.com/eZLqXun.png
[13:37] <acheronUK> and our slideshow http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[13:39] <acheronUK> majorana: AFAIR, ordering like that is the base ubiquity, not our look and feel front end
[13:40]  * acheronUK would quite like to use Calamares
[13:40] <majorana> Thought so. Are there any reasons why the Kubuntu would not move to Calamares?
[13:44] <acheronUK> not something I've personally looked into the practicalities of. However, it's not even in debian/ubuntu yet, would have to wait for it to come in or try to get it in
[13:45] <acheronUK> at least with ubiquity we have full support from ubuntu.
[13:55] <majorana> @archeronUK: The patches to change the order should be minimal; Could I as a user contribute a code patch?
[14:00] <dpohlman> Trying to use IM and adding "Google" and crash every time, any ideas
[14:01] <dpohlman> "Unable to Finish" There was an error while trying to process the request"
[14:01] <dpohlman> If I initate any of the other add clients they seem to work ok.
[14:01] <acheronUK> majorana: anyone can, but as it's canonical's thing you might need to agree to https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/contributors
[14:01] <acheronUK> though minor obvious changes might be ok without
[14:02] <acheronUK> majorana: #ubuntu-installer may be the place to ask
[14:06] <majorana> @ archonUK: Alright, I gonna ask there.
[14:07] <majorana> About Calamares and Debian, I just asked and got the following answer
[14:07] <majorana> "[15:55] <highvoltage> majorana: yep, I'm working on it, close to having it ready [15:56] <highvoltage> majorana: debian is in freeze at the moment for the stretch release, but I'm aiming for an upload to experimental next week"
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[17:25] <krabbe> moin
[17:26] <BluesKaj_> noim
[17:27] <BluesKaj_> we speak English here not twitter or message speak
[17:43] <Pici> BluesKaj_: moin is german
[17:45] <BluesKaj_> Pici,  yseah so?
[17:45] <BluesKaj_>  sure it is , never seen that as a german greeting
[20:33] <user|44455> Hi,
[20:33] <user|44455> I've some problems to launch an app like Anarok or Discover on Ubuntu
[20:34] <user|44455> Are anyone have same problem ?
[20:38] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- you should describe exactly what problem you're having
[20:40] <user|44455> Since i've install Kubuntu 16.04.2 LTS on my lenovo laptop on EFI. Some apps are installed but don't lauch
[20:41] <user|44455> The app start but after few seconds, the app disappear
[20:41] <user|44455> like on Anarok, Dragon,...
[20:42] <user|44455> but other apps like Gimp, Firefox work good
[20:43] <user|44455> Do you know if this is a general bug or not ?
[20:51] <viewer|93820> I was interested in learning more about Kubuntu and wanted to give it a try to I installed it on a virtual machine using VirtualBox on a Mac. After initial install, I ran updates and rebooted. After successfully rebooting the OS I shutdown and made some modifications to my Virtualbox settings - I enabled 3D acceleration. With this setting I am able
[20:51] <viewer|93820>  to boot the OS but the kubuntu menu bar disappears after launch. I am able to interact with it though it is invisible. When I try launching applications the windows never appear. I tried disabling 3D acceleration but now Kubuntu does not boot properly - it never reaches the login screen. Any help would be appreciated, I am new to VMs and Linux.
[20:52] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/67qels/kubuntu_1704_proper_way_to_handle_hidpi/
[20:54] <viewer|93820> Should I be posting this question elsewhere? I'm having a difficult time finding support for my issue online and I do not believe the link you posted is relevant to my inquiry
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- if the program crashed, usually you'll get a notification in the system tray
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- it's probably worth trying to start the program from a terminal window, that way you should see any error messages
[20:58] <viewer|93820> The main issue is that no windows are displaying. I tried opening terminal but the window never showed. The only thing I am able to interact with is the desktop helper in the top right and I can hover over where the menu bar should be and interact with it as context boxes pop up
[20:59] <user|44455> the only problem same with terminal, no info are registered
[21:06] <viewer|93820> Is anyone able to help me?
[21:09] <valorie> ahoneybun: the only difficulty I have is the file save menu in FF
[21:09] <valorie> although tabs in both ff and chrome seem huge, I'm getting used to 'em
[21:10] <valorie> user|44455: how did you start it in the konsole?
[21:11] <user|44455> yes and he says this is impossible because he doesn't find directory
[21:13] <user|44455> for anarok and Dragon, it's ok now but not for the latest program installed today
[21:15] <user|44455> my latest program was a file in .sh
[21:15] <user|44455> i delete this program to reinstall