| jbicha | robert_ancell: that's what it looks like, yes | 00:03 |
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| robert_ancell | The transitions in GNOME Shell are really clunky... | 00:14 |
| TheMuso | I've run GNOME shell on a fast box here before, and found it sluggish when using the keyboard so whilst not the same thing, I don't feel that GNOME shell is performant. | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | That was with a GPU with free drivers too. | 00:15 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, it's not the performance more the timing and lack of transitions in various places | 00:16 |
| robert_ancell | Though it is a little laggy too | 00:16 |
| TheMuso | Ok, well it certainly feels sluggish when moving through the shell menus compared to say a menu in a GTK app. | 00:16 |
| robert_ancell | And the triple bar at the top for maximized window (system + app + menubar) feels like going back to the dark ages. | 00:20 |
| robert_ancell | The overview is much nicer than Unity though | 00:21 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: I think that duplication isn't a problem for the "native" GNOME3 apps | 00:21 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, it's certainly less of a problem, but still visual overload to me being used to the tidy way Unity does it | 00:22 |
| robert_ancell | I'm here for good now though, so I can only complain through bug reports and patches :) | 00:22 |
| jbicha | there was a desktop-devel discussion about menus earlier this month because the GNOME3 way still has a major discoverability problem | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, what's wrong with the GNOME3 discoverability of menus? | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | oh, the appmenu? | 00:25 |
| jbicha | yes, important stuff is in there, but you kind of have to be told that it is a menu! | 00:25 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, they're a bit useless IMO | 00:25 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: ok, gdm3 started after I installed ubuntu-gnome-default-settings | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, aha | 00:27 |
| robert_ancell | That lock screen shield... What is the logic behind that? | 00:29 |
| robert_ancell | I think I'll have to get involved in Polari development, would be nice to finally kick xchat | 00:33 |
| * robert_ancell -> lunch | 00:35 | |
| jbicha | lock screen ? | 00:36 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: bug 1686257 ! | 01:19 |
| ubot5 | bug 1686257 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Zesty) "gdm3 fails to start when default session-name=ubuntu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686257 | 01:19 |
| jbicha | that was not what I expected to find at all | 01:20 |
| jbicha | I wonder if that would fix cyphermox's problem with gdm3 ^ | 01:23 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, when you lock the screen you have to slide up before seeing the login box | 01:51 |
| robert_ancell | I'd hoped that would be gone by now. | 01:51 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: you can just start typing | 01:57 |
| robert_ancell | Still it's confusing and pointless.. | 01:57 |
| jbicha | I believe it's the same way Windows 8+ does it, except that Windows isn't as good at the "just start typing" part | 01:58 |
| jbicha | I assume it's useful if you ever install GNOME on a tablet | 01:58 |
| duflu | You don't need to "slide up" in Windows... tapping space bar does the same thing | 02:27 |
| duflu | and is a lot more convenient if you're about to enter a password | 02:28 |
| jbicha | duflu: you don't need to slide up with gdm either | 02:32 |
| duflu | That's good. I would expect everyone to produce a login screen that's keyboard-navigatable (if that's even a word) | 02:33 |
| jbicha | navigable :) | 02:35 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: did you see the updates on LP: #1632772 ? | 02:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1632772 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu Zesty) "Login option 'GNOME on Wayland' does not start from LightDM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1632772 | 02:36 |
| duflu | If only the lexicon was more navigable | 02:36 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, I didn't read it in detail | 02:36 |
| jbicha | it's Unity8's fault that GNOME on Wayland broke :| | 02:36 |
| duflu | I noticed when Gnome on Wayland finally started we're missing shadows and corner-decoraation transparency. Is there a bug for that? | 02:41 |
| duflu | I don't know the right Gnome packages to pick on... | 02:41 |
| jbicha | duflu: what theme are you using? | 02:43 |
| robert_ancell | duflu, it's the Ambience theming, use gnome-tweak-tool to reset it all to the defaults. | 02:44 |
| duflu | jbicha: The default on a zesty installation. Yeah sounds like Ambiance isn't Gnome-Shell-ready | 02:45 |
| jbicha | duflu: set the GTK+ theme and icon theme to Adwaita, if LP: #1685272 doesn't describe that issue, please file a new bug | 02:48 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1685272 in light-themes (Ubuntu Artful) "gnome-shell: no window border" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685272 | 02:48 |
| duflu | Thanks. I don't need it to look nice right now. Just want to know that Ambiance will get fixed soon enough | 02:51 |
| jbicha | it might not get fixed if the bugs aren't filed | 02:53 |
| jbicha | no one's really maintaining light-themes right now | 02:53 |
| duflu | jbicha, rest assured there are enough of us in the world who care about Ubuntu's appearance. It would get fixed soon enough :) | 02:55 |
| robert_ancell | duflu, we're not sure if we'll continue Ambience or start a new theme that works better with GNOME | 02:56 |
| duflu | Yeah, fairy nuff | 02:56 |
| robert_ancell | It's one of the things on the list to solve | 02:56 |
| duflu | robert_ancell, I do very much want to see Ubuntu look better than Adwaita though... it's so clunky. Red Hat (and others) dropped the ball | 02:58 |
| robert_ancell | I'm not loving the font | 02:58 |
| * robert_ancell makes a zesty VM | 02:59 | |
| robert_ancell | We really have to update ubuntu.com - it still says we're the leading operating system for phones... | 03:01 |
| jbicha | it's probably a good idea for a theme to use Adwaita as a base (as long as you don't mind (L)GPL-2.1+) | 03:02 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: do you have fonts-cantarell installed? | 03:02 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, yep | 03:03 |
| jbicha | otherwise, I think it defaults to Sans or something | 03:03 |
| robert_ancell | Cantarell is just not as well done as the Ubuntu for for legibility I think | 03:03 |
| * duflu can almost hear cimi saying "it looks shit" from here | 03:03 | |
| jbicha | you can patch it to use the Ubuntu font, look in gnome-shell's data/theme/ | 03:06 |
| Trevinho | xnox: in your upstart branch, I guess you might also remove the UpstartWrapper at all, as it won't be there, or should I do it? | 03:11 |
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| oSoMoN | good morning! | 07:46 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN | 07:46 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:47 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:00 |
| Laney | sup | 08:01 |
| willcooke | ahoyhoy | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey oSoMoN davmor2 Laney willcooke | 08:16 |
| seb128 | how are things today? | 08:17 |
| willcooke | c.c.c.c.c.cold | 08:17 |
| willcooke | Winter has returned | 08:17 |
| oSoMoN | not cold here, but rainy and gloomy | 08:17 |
| * willcooke checks his charts | 08:18 | |
| willcooke | http://imgur.com/a/WxLxG | 08:18 |
| willcooke | Down to freezing again last night | 08:18 |
| davmor2 | it is the opposite to eddie izzards fantastically hot safe cracking shower joke | 08:18 |
| Laney | urgh | 08:19 |
| Laney | got soaked on the way to the pub quiz | 08:19 |
| Laney | the met office said it wasn't going to rain | 08:19 |
| Laney | jerks | 08:20 |
| davmor2 | Laney: it's England always assume rain | 08:20 |
| Laney | fair point | 08:21 |
| willcooke | rain is good for me right now. I put some grass seed down where I'd removed some large bushes. I couldn't be arsed to water it every day and the pidgeons ate it all. Put some more down on Monday and now it's been raining things should start to happen | 08:21 |
| chrisccoulson | willcooke, hah, I had the same problem | 08:22 |
| willcooke | I've been following your garden antics on Twitter :) | 08:22 |
| chrisccoulson | I had to reseed my lawn and then it was dry for about 3 weeks. I could do with a warmish, showery couple of weeks really | 08:22 |
| willcooke | I think it needs to be above about 5 or 6 for the seed to germinate, so should be warm enough, just | 08:23 |
| chrisccoulson | I have had some germinate now, but it's very slow. And I'm going to have to reseed again, thanks to the pigeons | 08:24 |
| Laney | there was a segement on reviving lawns on GW the other week | 08:26 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, I got seed off ebay which was coated in "head start" or something like that, supposed to speed it up. | 08:27 |
| willcooke | I have GW recorded on my Myth box, I will check that out | 08:27 |
| willcooke | and skip through all of Carole's bits because she is very very boring | 08:27 |
| willcooke | *Carol | 08:27 |
| chrisccoulson | That sounds like my sort of thing | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | Hey EU folks. | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | Its actually starting to feel like winter here... Again, which is good. | 08:28 |
| willcooke | evening TheMuso | 08:28 |
| chrisccoulson | My lawn was a mud bath a few weeks ago | 08:28 |
| Laney | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08mkmrq/gardeners-world-2017-episode-6 07:15 | 08:32 |
| Laney | hey TheMuso | 08:32 |
| Laney | how are you? | 08:32 |
| TheMuso | Laney: Quite well thanks. Yourself? | 08:32 |
| chrisccoulson | Laney, thanks! | 08:32 |
| Laney | TheMuso: Decent thanks | 08:35 |
| Laney | Although we came last in the pub quiz :'( | 08:35 |
| Laney | got the bonus question though (what country is Shakira from?@) | 08:35 |
| TheMuso | Aww that sucks. | 08:35 |
| TheMuso | lol what a bonus questino! :) | 08:35 |
| TheMuso | question* | 08:35 |
| Laney | high brow | 08:36 |
| davmor2 | TheMuso: apparently it is hug an Australian day prepare for the incoming hugs apparently it's the law or something | 08:37 |
| * davmor2 hugs TheMuso | 08:37 | |
| TheMuso | davmor2: awww thanks. :) | 08:38 |
| davmor2 | offline for a bit while I wipe my system and install gnome and see what I need to do to it to make it bearable | 08:46 |
| dednick | good morning all. | 08:46 |
| Laney | duflu: The theme problems are known. | 08:51 |
| willcooke | morning dednick, how goes? | 08:51 |
| duflu | Laney: Yeah. I know it's annoying having people pick on things this early in the cycle. | 08:51 |
| Laney | It's fine | 08:52 |
| Laney | But they have been reported already | 08:52 |
| duflu | Certainly, given a choice I prefer to work entirely in bug reports and not be in IRC :) | 08:52 |
| seb128 | who mentioned theme issues? | 08:56 |
| dednick | willcooke: it goes well thanks, and you? | 08:56 |
| seb128 | it feels like I missed the start of that discussion | 08:57 |
| duflu | seb128: It's totally not important. Just a bug in the pile | 08:58 |
| duflu | At least now I know it's not as important as it looked | 08:58 |
| seb128 | k, well in any case we have a stack of theme issues filed in launchpad | 08:59 |
| seb128 | so feel free to check that list and file some more as needed | 09:00 |
| * duflu tries to resolve his previous comment with the need for it to be High | 09:01 | |
| xnox | Trevinho, i did not want to break any of UpstartWrapper stuff in case you are going to backport this back to e.g. xenial. | 09:01 |
| xnox | Trevinho, but also I'm not sure if we want to include removal of the UpstartWrapper in this release. | 09:02 |
| * xnox only did the minimal amount of work. | 09:02 | |
| xnox | Trevinho, bileto is complaining about new commits in https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/gwd-hidpi/+merge/323100 now | 09:05 |
| dednick | anyone that recently started using gnome notice their screen dimming to be a bit wonky? randomly dimming a few seconds when I stop using kb/mouse. I have it turned off in power settings fyi. | 09:08 |
| Trevinho | xnox: yeah, in fact I wanted to backport that... But I'd skip that commit anyway | 09:08 |
| Trevinho | xnox: so.... we can probably just get rid of it, and it shouln't cause problems | 09:09 |
| Trevinho | xnox: about that, yeah... the provate key issue is back, sil2100 is on it | 09:09 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, it should be *temporarily* fixed once again, but the real fix is ready for deployment | 09:09 |
| willcooke | duflu, FWIW kenvandine started using the tag "gnome-17.10" : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 | 09:10 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: I suppose you can try building the silo now anyway | 09:10 |
| duflu | willcooke, great! But light-themese stopped being the correct source package after precise. Let me de-duplicate..? | 09:11 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu | 09:11 |
| Laney | It's ubuntu-themes. | 09:11 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 | 09:12 |
| willcooke | yeah, I think I bookmarked the wrong page | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey dednick | 09:12 |
| seb128 | dednick, I didn't use GNOME much yet but didn't notice that issue ... is that under wayland or x11? | 09:13 |
| dednick | seb128: x11 | 09:13 |
| dednick | seems to be about 10 seconds after not touching :/ freaking annoying! | 09:14 |
| duflu | dednick: Sounds roughly like some repowerd bug(s)... and I suspect repowerd is going away with unity8 | 09:15 |
| duflu | Stopping repowerd might solve it | 09:16 |
| duflu | And eventually dropping it, perhaps | 09:16 |
| dednick | looks like it's because i was on battery power. | 09:16 |
| duflu | Yes, separate policies... but I guess we also have multiple power daemons fighting for control now? | 09:17 |
| dednick | but... | 09:17 |
| dednick | duflu: repowerd a service? don't have it running? | 09:18 |
| dednick | duflu: and that's under unity right? I'm on gnome. | 09:19 |
| duflu | dednick: You sure? I'm not even logged in and it's running on my zesty | 09:19 |
| duflu | Oh, right. It might be absent in an Ubuntu Gnome install but on regular zesty with gnome packages added then repowerd is present | 09:20 |
| dednick | hm. i apparently just started it. | 09:20 |
| dednick | wasn't running earlier | 09:20 |
| dednick | i had unity running before though; added gnome later. | 09:21 |
| duflu | dednick: Yeah me too. But the point is each power daemon has its own timeouts and policies. Your screen dimming will be chaotic if you have multiple of them present | 09:21 |
| duflu | I'm assuming Gnome uses... something else | 09:22 |
| dednick | think it uses upower... | 09:22 |
| dednick | GNOME power manager - whatever that is... | 09:23 |
| seb128 | gnome-settings-daemon is doing the handling | 09:23 |
| seb128 | like handling of timeouts, levels, configs, etc | 09:23 |
| seb128 | upower is the service it uses | 09:23 |
| dednick | although dont seem to have gnome-power-manager either. | 09:24 |
| duflu | I think repowerd was a great idea, but it's now redundant and unmaintained, and will cause bugs if allowed to run | 09:24 |
| seb128 | gnome-power-manager is only an UI nowadays | 09:24 |
| seb128 | show you battery graph and such | 09:24 |
| seb128 | but the user service is gnome-settings-daemon | 09:24 |
| seb128 | yeah, upowerd shouldn't be used | 09:24 |
| dednick | seb128: don't seem to have gnome-settings-daemon runnig either :/ | 09:26 |
| duflu | Still, I would bet Gnome Shell is not designed to use Unity8's repowerd | 09:27 |
| dednick | i'm on Ubuntu GNome - not sure if that makes a diff | 09:27 |
| muktupavels | there is no one gnome-settings-daemon, it is split in small programms gsd-* | 09:27 |
| dednick | muktupavels: woomp there it is. | 09:28 |
| dednick | gsd-power | 09:28 |
| dednick | so not i'm definitely going to be getting fights happening with repowerd and gsd-power running. :) | 09:29 |
| dednick | and kill. | 09:29 |
| seb128 | yeah, uninstall powerd and stop it, we should make sure it's not left installed/started on upgraded systems | 09:31 |
| dednick | and now when i remove by power cable it's not dimming. nothing like being inconsistent!! | 09:31 |
| dednick | probably something getting screwed up when resuming from suspend. | 09:32 |
| duflu | In the least, make sure you kill repowerd. At a guess it will not see any shell it knows and will assume the system is idle; hence dim the screen repeatedly | 09:32 |
| duflu | Although I'm assuming Alexandros did not add Gnome Shell support | 09:33 |
| duflu | Perhaps he did | 09:34 |
| Laney | Does it really do things when any old random shell is running? | 09:34 |
| duflu | Probably shouldn't, but it came from a world where we owned the whole system... (shrug) | 09:35 |
| duflu | And I know it was a pain when I ran my own random shell | 09:36 |
| Laney | I've got it running on my Unity 7 systems | 09:37 |
| Laney | Didn't notice any particular problems | 09:37 |
| Laney | But if it is causing them and we just didn't find out yet, that would be a fix to SRU | 09:38 |
| dednick | Laney: it working fine on U7 for me as well. Probably came from having both on Ubuntu Gnome. | 09:38 |
| dednick | although it didn't seem to be running at the time... | 09:39 |
| Laney | oh well | 09:40 |
| ahayzen | Hey, me and a few others have been having an issue under GNOME Shell where sometimes when pressing Alt+Left/Right Arrow will result in the TTY changing. The workaround found is to run `sudo kbd_mode -s` but I wanted to report a bug for the issue and was wondering if someone would be able to suggest a package ? Or should i just report against gnome-shell ? | 09:41 |
| willcooke | ahayzen, is the alt-f4 switching vtys as well? | 09:42 |
| ahayzen | willcooke, it was for p_opey :-) i can't remember if it did for me | 09:42 |
| Laney | I've had that under Unity before | 09:43 |
| duflu | Is Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right the expected combo for that? | 09:43 |
| * duflu is thinking Ctrl is stuck logically | 09:44 | |
| dednick | i think that's for moving windows between workspaces | 09:44 |
| ahayzen | i think Ctrl+Alt+F1/F2 etc is the normal | 09:44 |
| Laney | alt-arrows is supposed to do it if you are on a VT | 09:44 |
| Laney | but not if you are inside your desktop | 09:44 |
| * duflu tries and finds VTs are broken. Must be a Wednesday | 09:45 | |
| dednick | ah. so key is not being caught by shell. | 09:45 |
| ahayzen | and this has happened on both wayland and X11 IIRC | 09:45 |
| Laney | or some driver or kernel problem | 09:45 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1508146 | 09:46 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1508146 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "alt + left/right arrows switch between tty consoles, cannot disable" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:46 |
| Laney | don't know if I reported it when it happened to me | 09:46 |
| ahayzen | Laney, and that looks like it | 09:47 |
| ahayzen | *ah | 09:47 |
| popey | willcooke: yes, alt-f4 was switching to a tty | 09:47 |
| willcooke | Shall we use rls-a-incoming for these sorts of things? | 09:48 |
| willcooke | or rls-aa-incoming | 09:48 |
| ahayzen | popey, are you under Intel graphics as well ? IIRC all the people so far were under intel | 09:49 |
| Laney | the reports will use -a- | 09:52 |
| willcooke | thx Laney | 09:53 |
| willcooke | I predict that was dednick testing alt-f4 ^ ;) | 09:57 |
| Laney | quality trolling | 10:01 |
| Laney | back in the mIRC days you used to get people posting encoded commands for others to execute | 10:01 |
| Laney | could get quite creative with those | 10:01 |
| Laney | when you were able to "nuke" Windows machines someone got me to nuke my own in that way | 10:02 |
| popey | ahayzen: yes | 10:06 |
| * popey recalls mentioning the "hold down printscreen" bug in here recently, without mentioning that it basically locks up your machine. Got swearing from willcooke :) | 10:07 | |
| ahayzen | :') | 10:07 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: if you want to get involved with the non-integer scaling development, I recommend talking to fmuellner on #gnome-shell in irc.gnome.org | 10:26 |
| davmor2 | willcooke, seb128, Laney: fix number one http://paste.ubuntu.com/24459500/ software installer wouldn't install it, went with dpkg and that won't either because it is missing deps | 10:27 |
| willcooke | Interesting, so Chromes new native notifications use libappindicator | 10:28 |
| willcooke | neat | 10:28 |
| willcooke | davmor2, "software installer" = GNOME Software? | 10:29 |
| willcooke | if so, known and fixed, robert_ancell will do a new release this week | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: I assume so it just offered me the install in software installer option in firefox I assume it is gnome-software | 10:30 |
| jbicha | davmor2: instead of dpkg, I usually use 'sudo apt install ./path-to.deb' because it can install dependencies; some people use gdebi instead | 10:30 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: why is the Chromium 59 build using use_gtk3=false ? | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | jbicha: yeap I'm actually on the hunt for issues while setting up my daily use machine so I'm not actually after solutions just highlighting issues as I go | 10:31 |
| Laney | yes, use apt, dpkg itself never installs dependencies | 10:32 |
| Laney | that's not an issue | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: ok, cool thanks | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: is that something we care about^ ? | 10:32 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, non-int scaling? YES!!!!!!11one | 10:33 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, would love for you to get involved | 10:33 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, if you would like to | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: ok, neat... :-) | 10:34 |
| davmor2 | issue number 2 hexchat has no menu, issue number 3 the quit option in the gnome menu only shows on screen 1 when hexchat is open on screen 2 so even if it had the menu there I would not be able to see it obviously on the screen where the app is | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | Yeah, I mean... I've already spent some unity time on that, so... I can put some efforts in that too | 10:34 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, I dunno, that was disabled at the time of the Cr 53 release but the changelog doesn’t elaborate on that change | 10:37 |
| oSoMoN | I can try turning it on | 10:37 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: I haven't look at the Cr59 source but my understanding was that gtk3 was going to be enabled by Google by default in like 59 or 60 | 10:43 |
| jbicha | so I would just remove the use_gtk3=false line from d/rules and see what happens? | 10:43 |
| jbicha | I was just curious, since Cr is the last gtk2 app I have installed (although Firefox still depends on gtk2, I assume for Flash) | 10:45 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, I’ll give it a go | 10:48 |
| oSoMoN | indeed: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/0ff8b19608421be5fa5b53e90c097e4992723b90%5E%21/#F0 | 10:52 |
| oSoMoN | will need to explicitly pass use_gtk3=true if we want gtk3 on all arches | 10:53 |
| * Trevinho calls the day... See you tomorrow | 11:15 | |
| willcooke | good night Trevinho, good moring kenvandine | 11:18 |
| kenvandine | good morning | 11:18 |
| Trevinho | Oh what an exchange 😅 | 11:19 |
| seb128 | night Trevinho | 11:20 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine | 11:20 |
| davmor2 | meh sorry about that added the vpn only it sent all resources via the vpn and so shutdown networking to all apps woohoo :( | 11:20 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: good morning, I pushed all from the ubuntu-desktop-gnome PPA into artful directly | 11:32 |
| jbicha | I guess we can delete the zesty packages in that PPA now? | 11:32 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, leave them for now | 11:34 |
| kenvandine | i'm not on artful yet :) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | what packages are we talking about? | 11:35 |
| kenvandine | gnome-shell and goa | 11:35 |
| jbicha | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-desktop-gnome/+packages | 11:35 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, oh, did you upload goa? | 11:36 |
| kenvandine | i can do that | 11:36 |
| jbicha | it's mostly just dropping misc universe deps to suggests to make the mir easier | 11:36 |
| seb128 | those changes look good yeah | 11:36 |
| jbicha | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-April/000313.html | 11:36 |
| jbicha | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/3.24.0-0ubuntu2 | 11:37 |
| kenvandine | oh, i must have missed it when skimming the change mail :) | 11:37 |
| kenvandine | jbicha, thanks! | 11:37 |
| jbicha | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.24.1-0ubuntu3 | 11:37 |
| jbicha | some of the deps we'll add back later but they weren't required for gnome-shell to work minimally | 11:38 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i assume we want to stick with the ubuntu font by default right? | 11:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I think so | 11:40 |
| kenvandine | good | 11:41 |
| chrisccoulson | oSoMoN, ok, just copied your chromium updates now | 11:46 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: What will be the value of XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP in 17.10? | 12:03 |
| jbicha | for now, I believe it would just be "GNOME", is there a reason it should be different? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, what jbicha said | 12:35 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha, seb128: Nope, I have no own thoughts. Just wanted to have it confirmed. Thanks! | 12:36 |
| seb128 | yw! | 12:36 |
| seb128 | brb | 12:36 |
| davmor2 | so cold infact we have snow right now | 12:42 |
| kenvandine | hey davmor2 | 12:43 |
| davmor2 | hey kenvandine | 12:44 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, thanks! | 12:45 |
| kenvandine | is anyone running artful yet? | 12:49 |
| jbicha | kenvandine: I put it in a VBox yesterday; "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" works now | 12:50 |
| kenvandine_ | jbicha, cool | 12:52 |
| kenvandine_ | damn... | 12:52 |
| jbicha | seb128: could you subscribe Desktop Bugs to caribou, gdm3, gjs, gnome-control-center, gnome-shell, mutter ? | 13:21 |
| jbicha | and fuse-exfat and exfat-utils for LP: #1649537 | 13:21 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1649537 in fuse-exfat (Ubuntu) "[MIR] exfat-utils and fuse-exfat" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649537 | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | were patent issues with extfat before (we tried to ship it on the phone and were denied) | 13:22 |
| davmor2 | seb128, Laney, jbicha: any ideas on why gnome would be using 212 MB of ram for gnome software when as far as I can tell it's closed? I'm assuming the dash is keeping it open would that be a good guess? | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | *werent there | 13:22 |
| seb128 | jbicha, can do, at least for the first line, need to look at those exfat ones not sure if we want to maintain that stack | 13:22 |
| seb128 | davmor2, it's acting as a service | 13:23 |
| seb128 | so can notify you about firmware updates and such | 13:23 |
| davmor2 | ouch | 13:23 |
| jbicha | gnome-software is always running in the background, it helps it start up faster :| | 13:23 |
| seb128 | was the same under unity | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | so of the 5.5GB of memory being utilised currently gnome-shell is using just shy of 400MB claws is using 350 but is syncing a lot of mail, Chrome is using more than on unity but a similar enough amount to not worry about, gnome-software 221.9 MB now and evo calendar factory is using 120MB | 13:26 |
| willcooke | It's snowing! | 13:40 |
| willcooke | ..and stopped | 13:42 |
| mitya57 | Can someone please top-approve my no-change MP https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/indicator-applet/libpanel-applet3/+merge/323131 so that Bileto allows me to publish it? | 14:12 |
| mitya57 | seb128, can you please? ^^ | 14:12 |
| seb128 | mitya57, done | 14:12 |
| mitya57 | thanks! | 14:13 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: oh ffs and app you open that is linked to an indicator of some sort keeps that apps memory footprint open and slowly leaks memory so gnome-calander is now at 373.6 MB | 14:52 |
| willcooke | wow | 14:52 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: oh wait no, it was syncing again dropped of the face of the earth now...that was scary for a second | 14:54 |
| willcooke | phew | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | hmmmm gnome software at 225.3 MB and tracker-extract is at 224.6 MB | 14:56 |
| davmor2 | meh wth why are there foldery type things for system tools and sundry that list more apps in the apps view of the dash | 15:23 |
| davmor2 | why are there only 2 categories | 15:23 |
| davmor2 | Laney, seb128: Okay I'm confused on this. K3b shows in the dash and in gnome-software, krita however only shows in gnome-software why would that be? | 15:33 |
| Laney | not sure | 15:36 |
| davmor2 | I'm looking for others to see if there is anything common with them | 15:40 |
| davmor2 | Laney: blender does it too | 15:41 |
| Laney | are you talking about gnome-shell? | 15:41 |
| Laney | snap or deb? | 15:41 |
| davmor2 | I'm wondering if it is that the dash doesn't understand snaps and the snap is shown in the list first in gnome-software | 15:41 |
| davmor2 | Laney: yeap I only have gnome now :) | 15:42 |
| Laney | ok, well I don't think it's called the dash in shell | 15:42 |
| * kenvandine wonders what it is called :) | 15:42 | |
| Laney | and try installing the deb, then you have some information | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | activities overview? | 15:42 |
| davmor2 | Laney: people refer to it as the dash in gnome videos so that was my assumption | 15:43 |
| Laney | I think the launcher is the dash and the dash is the overview, in which you search | 15:45 |
| Laney | ICBW though | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | that could be | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | we need a unity -> gnome-shell cheat sheet :) | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | Laney: ah yes you are right they shoe the overview but discuss the dash which is the launcher | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | man this is gonna get confusing | 15:46 |
| Laney | anyway | 15:46 |
| Laney | what is in $XDG_DATA_DIRS for you? | 15:46 |
| Laney | I think that should have something about snap | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | I have the rocketchat-client snap installed and that shows up fine in the overview, but I think the fall over is when you don't have either snap or deb installed but both are available | 15:47 |
| davmor2 | installed krita.deb and now it shows in the overview | 15:48 |
| xnox | Trevinho, sometime on the upgrade to zesty or to artful, tap to click got disabled. | 15:48 |
| davmor2 | be right back need to reboot for nvidia blob install | 15:49 |
| xnox | Upgraded to the 2730 bileto ppa and amazon webapp came back again.... *grumble* do we not remember that people removed it, still?! | 15:49 |
| xnox | otherwise things look and work good. | 15:49 |
| xnox | Trevinho, can we release the ticket? =) | 15:49 |
| Laney | davmor2 doesn't respond to questions | 15:51 |
| davmor2 | and back | 15:54 |
| Laney | try logging in under X instead of Wayland | 15:56 |
| willcooke | xnox, re: Amazon web app - I don't think we did remove that. I think it remained even after we turned off dash searches by default. | 16:02 |
| willcooke | I'm going through my emails to try and find a record of that decision now... | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | Laney: so where the hell do you switch from one to the other? | 16:15 |
| Laney | the cog at gdm | 16:16 |
| davmor2 | Laney: nope I see Gnome and Gnome Classic no other options | 16:17 |
| Laney | not GNOME on Wayland? | 16:17 |
| davmor2 | Laney: I'll pick it up again tomorrow | 16:18 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: I assume the logo will change to an ubuntu one and away from the Shazam look alikey one right :D | 16:18 |
| Laney | well for the record I think the problem is XDG_DATA_DIRS not containing the snapd entry | 16:19 |
| davmor2 | Laney: might be as I say though I'll pick it up in the morning | 16:19 |
| Laney | as you wish | 16:21 |
| willcooke | davmor2, yeah I imagine so | 16:22 |
| * oSoMoN is done with bug triaging for today | 16:45 | |
| willcooke | night oSoMoN | 16:48 |
| oSoMoN | have a good one willcooke | 16:51 |
| jbicha | seb128: we'll probably drop the help:ubuntu-help patches now, LP: #1686267 | 16:52 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1686267 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "please move ubuntu-help/ to gnome-help/" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686267 | 16:52 |
| jbicha | I think that was partly why GunnarHj was asking about XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP earlier | 16:53 |
| GunnarHj | It was. :) | 16:54 |
| seb128 | jbicha, if GunnarHj is fine with it, sure | 16:57 |
| willcooke | g'night all, dinner time | 17:01 |
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