| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:54 |
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| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/best-unity-desktop-features | 05:29 |
| lotuspsychje | morning xangua | 05:39 |
| xangua | Good midnight | 05:40 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 05:41 |
| lotuspsychje | late night irc is the best | 05:41 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: the other day this guy came that had an acer, every time he enters the bios or boot options menu it resets to booting windows xD | 05:58 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm | 06:00 |
| lotuspsychje | rainy here again | 06:07 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.networkworld.com/article/3192311/linux/lessons-learned-from-the-failure-of-ubuntu-touch.html | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-677149963 | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | wonder what this sidebar is | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | nite nite Bashing-om | 06:17 |
| Bashing-om | And outta here :) see ya on my flip lotuspsychje . | 06:18 |
| lotuspsychje | dream on Bashing-om | 06:18 |
| ducasse | hi all | 06:20 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:52 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl guys, have a nice one | 07:00 |
| lotuspsychje | garden shop today | 07:00 |
| ducasse | hi lordievader, all well? | 07:02 |
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| lordievader | Doing good here, how are you ducasse ? | 07:36 |
| EriC^^ | hey ducasse lordievader | 07:38 |
| ducasse | morning EriC^^. good, thanks, having a nice sunny day here. | 07:39 |
| lordievader | Hey EriC^^, how are you? | 07:43 |
| EriC^^ | good thanks you? | 07:44 |
| lordievader | Doing good here, having my second coffee. | 07:46 |
| brunch875 | 'morning folks | 08:29 |
| jink | ducasse: I realized last night that you meant the YubiKey to log in to the GUI. I was asking about Google Authenticator for ssh. That was totally unclear. | 08:33 |
| ducasse | jink: i use the yubikey for ssh, i don't actually use it for the gui on my desktop any longer. | 08:34 |
| jink | Oh. | 08:35 |
| jink | How does that work? | 08:35 |
| ducasse | i have a yubikey with ccid (smartcard) support, so i've generated gpg keys on the 'card' and use an authentication subkey for ssh auth. works like a charm. | 08:36 |
| jink | Just found https://www.linode.com/docs/security/gpg-key-for-ssh-authentication because I had no idea what you were talking about. | 08:41 |
| jink | Oh, Yubi have their own guide, too. | 08:43 |
| ducasse | you can use the otp functionality as well, but that requires an auth server. yubico provides one, and the software to set up your own is in the repos. i prefer this solution. | 08:44 |
| ducasse | iirc i got challenge-response to work also, but that gave me some other issue. don't remember what. | 08:45 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: you still around? | 10:28 |
| EriC^^ | hey | 10:28 |
| EriC^^ | what's up? | 10:28 |
| ducasse | just wanted to tell you there was a bug filed on grub-install in yakkety, i commented on it to say it's still there. | 10:29 |
| EriC^^ | ah ok cool | 10:29 |
| ducasse | i'll try to figure out what the pages were generated from, if it's a format i know i'll take a look. :) | 10:30 |
| EriC^^ | ok :) | 10:30 |
| ducasse | i just get annoyed by bugs like that - small cosmetic things that should take a minute to fix but nobody cares enough :) | 10:31 |
| EriC^^ | yeah, there's a lot of typos and stuff here and there | 10:32 |
| EriC^^ | i wish somebody would write a proper man page for cpio, it's lacking alot! | 10:32 |
| ducasse | 'see also cpio(5)', which doesn't exist, and a link. fantastic. ;) | 10:33 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 10:34 |
| ducasse | wish i was good at writing docs, it's a skill i don't have unfortunately :) the community definitely needs more writers, and ui designers. too many code monkeys ;) | 10:37 |
| EriC^^ | hehe yeah :D | 10:43 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:08 |
| ducasse | hiya, BluesKaj | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hey ducasse | 12:11 |
| ducasse | all things good in your world? | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | my gpu looks like it's destroying itself , it's running at 107C | 12:13 |
| BluesKaj | there's no way to enable the built in fan manually | 12:14 |
| BluesKaj | it's normal temp was between 70-80C | 12:14 |
| ducasse | wow, that's high. can't be good over time. | 12:16 |
| BluesKaj | it kept dropping the video to a black screen about every 10mins last night while watching a Hi def video ...nut it's just a cheap 40 buck nvidia 8400GS ..gonna buy new one today , the associated HW might be affected so I think it's time to replace it | 12:21 |
| ducasse | right. what are you thinking of getting instead? | 12:22 |
| BluesKaj_ | ducasse, I just ordered this, https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B004I5UDO6/ref=pe_386430_126088100_TE_item ..this card fits my needs perfectly | 14:16 |
| ducasse | that looks decent enough :) no 4k, but you might not need that now or soon? | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj_ | no 4k in our futurre til the sources become more available | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj_ | we still have alot of std def analog tv broadcasting here | 14:20 |
| jink | PS4? | 14:20 |
| ducasse | i don't care much about it either. my desktop can do it, but i didn't go for a 4k screen with any of my monitors. nor my tv, my eyesight is probably not good enough to enjoy it :) | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj_ | markets under 150k population are still allowed to broadcast analog here , however most ppl have either cable or sat service with the analog as a fallback in those markets | 14:23 |
| ducasse | everything here is hd now, afaik. i still don't feel a need for 4k yet, though. hope the new gpu works well, btw. | 14:29 |
| BluesKaj_ | yeah, 4k wouldn't make a lot if different to our old eys, having seen a 4k demo was not a revelation for us , it was nice but not worth the money in our opinion | 14:29 |
| BluesKaj_ | of | 14:29 |
| BluesKaj_ | ok ,stuff to do for a few hrs ....BBL | 14:30 |
| ducasse | have fun :) | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 14:44 |
| EriC^^ | afternoon lotus | 14:44 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 14:49 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-17-10-daily-build-downloads-now-available | 14:56 |
| lotuspsychje | wb xangua, hi doomlord | 15:11 |
| doomlord | hi | 15:11 |
| xangua | Hola | 15:11 |
| doomlord | so i hear unity is no more, gnome-shell will be adopted | 15:11 |
| doomlord | gnome-shell ... | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | doomlord: 17.10 will start with it | 15:11 |
| doomlord | ... seems to be capable of genius, but the default setup out of the box is absolutely abysmal. | 15:12 |
| doomlord | i guess they will come up with their own prefered set of extentions? | 15:12 |
| doomlord | i can see what they're trying to do though, with touchscreen friendly design | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | doomlord: shuttleworth said, they will not interfere gnome's way's too much | 15:13 |
| doomlord | i dont have a touchscreen computer , so i'm not seeing it's best | 15:13 |
| xangua | When Ubuntu used gnome 2 it didn't come with some specific Ubuntu extension | 15:13 |
| doomlord | i beleive it is possible to design a good UI for both | 15:13 |
| doomlord | gnome2 was ok though | 15:13 |
| doomlord | gnome shell deafulats are absolutely fucking retarded | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | doomlord: please keep it familly friendly here | 15:13 |
| doomlord | but if you spend some time digging up extentions, it can be made good | 15:14 |
| doomlord | hah ok | 15:14 |
| xangua | The only thing they added at the last moments was indicators, and they were added to xfce and lxde too by the way ;-) | 15:14 |
| doomlord | there is an opportunity to make something great with a well curated set of gnome-shell extentions | 15:14 |
| doomlord | one big question i have though is apple-legalities | 15:15 |
| doomlord | does apple stop gnome from doing 'globalmenu', | 15:15 |
| doomlord | i struggling to understand why anyone would setup a defaul where the entire top strip of the screen is consumed just showing the time | 15:15 |
| doomlord | no one is that stupid | 15:16 |
| doomlord | so i have potential explanations like "they really want global menu , but apple block it" , or "it's a space waiting for extentions" | 15:16 |
| doomlord | the pre-unity Gnome default setup was utterly retarded too, I must admit | 15:17 |
| doomlord | unity had a lot of good sense behind it | 15:17 |
| nacc | doomlord: seems like that would be a question for gnome | 15:17 |
| xangua | doomlord: KDE has has a global menu since KDE 3 | 15:18 |
| xangua | Gnome 2 also had a global menu thing | 15:18 |
| doomlord | i think people can get away with globalmenu if it's not entirely apple-esque. Gnome-shell looks a lot more like "mission-control", with the window +desktop thumbnails | 15:18 |
| doomlord | i suspect this is also why they make it vertical instead of horizontal | 15:19 |
| xangua | Also Apple didn't invent the global menu | 15:19 |
| doomlord | they did not, but they monopolized it | 15:19 |
| xangua | Ok.... | 15:19 |
| doomlord | i'm not justifying apple, i'm just speculating why things happen | 15:19 |
| lotuspsychje | alot of users use apple... | 15:19 |
| doomlord | i used globalmenu on the Amiga | 15:19 |
| doomlord | to this day I am very OCD about globalmenu - the windows style makes me seriously uncomfortable | 15:20 |
| doomlord | i look for apps that allow the menu to be hidden | 15:20 |
| xangua | You could put the unity global menu in the window decorators | 15:20 |
| doomlord | but my favourite is globalmenu | 15:20 |
| doomlord | yeah i've never used that version of unity, i've been using XFCE most often lately | 15:21 |
| xangua | You still can in 16.04/17.10 :-P | 15:21 |
| doomlord | actualyl i've been using the Mac most often lately.. i would really like to ween myself off it, but there's lots of sticking points that keep me gravitating back (globalmenu being one of them) | 15:21 |
| doomlord | i was just messing aroudn with gnome shell yesterday - and dug through the extentions, and basically it looks promising | 15:22 |
| doomlord | i can see a few bits of polish /curated extentions could make it amazing | 15:23 |
| daftykins | macOS is bloody horrible | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | look what i found this morning: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-677149963 | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | looks lot like unity like that | 15:23 |
| daftykins | o0 | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | hey daftykins :p | 15:23 |
| daftykins | \o | 15:24 |
| daftykins | how goes it, lotus? | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | great here mate | 15:24 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 15:25 |
| daftykins | just set up a cheap Samsung for my client to use down in Spain, as his fiber service down there came with two mobile phone SIMs heh | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:26 |
| doomlord | daftykins I am afraid I say the opposite : I vastly prefer the Mac OSX desktop over everything else | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | yikes | 15:27 |
| daftykins | doomlord: then there is no hope for you :) | 15:27 |
| doomlord | daftykins i can list the key featurse that i like | 15:27 |
| doomlord | first is globalmenu | 15:27 |
| daftykins | er nah i'm good thanks :P | 15:27 |
| doomlord | actually one version back was best | 15:27 |
| daftykins | i feel like i'm swimming through treacle when i work on them - and i do know my way around them, keyboard shortcuts 'n' all | 15:27 |
| doomlord | the way missioncontrol worked was *perfect* | 15:27 |
| daftykins | Apple input devices are just horrible | 15:28 |
| ducasse | oh god, yes. | 15:28 |
| doomlord | again, exact opposite. the mac trackpad gestures on a laptop are amazing | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | and expensive | 15:28 |
| nacc | doomlord: tbh, i'm not sure it's sensible to list what you think makes things perfect | 15:28 |
| nacc | doomlord: as that's not what any distribution does | 15:28 |
| nacc | doomlord: greatest common denominator is arguably the target | 15:28 |
| nacc | if you love macos, go use macos? | 15:28 |
| doomlord | i still like linux | 15:28 |
| doomlord | i dont want to pay the apple tax on all hardware; i like the combination of an apple laptop, linux desktop | 15:29 |
| nacc | but you want it to look like macos? | 15:29 |
| nacc | uh ... | 15:29 |
| doomlord | not *look like*, but behave like. | 15:29 |
| nacc | potato, potato | 15:29 |
| doomlord | the icons and colourschemes could be different | 15:29 |
| lotuspsychje | oO | 15:29 |
| nacc | basically, you want a macos UX | 15:29 |
| nacc | at which point, use macos | 15:30 |
| nacc | or write a metapackage that does that for you and get it in the archive | 15:30 |
| daftykins | doomlord: ah no i'm talking about an iMac there which i'm working on for someone at the moment | 15:30 |
| nacc | i absolutely would hate for that to be the default | 15:30 |
| lotuspsychje | or use OsX with a gnome wallpaper | 15:30 |
| doomlord | mac OSX isn't perfect though, it's just my favourite 'out of the box' | 15:30 |
| daftykins | input devices on a laptop will always feel like swimming through treacle :D | 15:30 |
| daftykins | it's no longer called OS X fwiw ;) | 15:30 |
| doomlord | yeah managing a set of customizations is a question i have | 15:30 |
| doomlord | I am also open to new ideas. | 15:31 |
| doomlord | its just new ideas do have to be better :) some workarounds are tolerable too. | 15:31 |
| doomlord | I like an option to move windows between desktops using the scrollwheel, that 'feels as rapid' as missioncontrol (i.e. the ease of organizing windows between workspaces) | 15:32 |
| nacc | doomlord: better *for you* | 15:32 |
| doomlord | sure, i dont claim there's an absolute truth in UI | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | doomlord: not sure how your start question unity to gnome changed to mac os X suddenly | 15:32 |
| nacc | i have no idea what missioncontrol is | 15:32 |
| doomlord | choice is good. (Missioncontrol is apples name for the desktop overview) | 15:32 |
| daftykins | i always took the approach that if you keep trying to change back when newer things come along, you will forever be fighting the future - so it's better to force yourself to adapt | 15:33 |
| doomlord | well with linux, the future can be shaped | 15:33 |
| doomlord | now i am aware there's a 'future' with touchscreens, which i'm not participating in just yet.. some UI choices seem to be driven by touchscreen laptops, | 15:33 |
| doomlord | and haven't microsoft made a 'tilting all-in-one' | 15:34 |
| doomlord | apple had a patent for that ages ago, the idea of a computer which you tilt to an angle for touch interaction on a desktop | 15:34 |
| daftykins | yes but that's a specific device for creative professionals | 15:34 |
| daftykins | and it's bad even for them XD | 15:34 |
| doomlord | i can imagine things continuing to evolve to touchscreens | 15:34 |
| daftykins | if they did i haven't read about a sueball heading their way yet :> | 15:35 |
| doomlord | touchscreen + voice | 15:35 |
| daftykins | if so, it won't be future for me | 15:35 |
| daftykins | touchscreen for a desktop doesn't make sense to me, anyway | 15:35 |
| doomlord | http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html | 15:35 |
| daftykins | *a future | 15:35 |
| doomlord | I think when voice processing (using neural-net chips?) gets beyond a certain threshold, the situation might look different | 15:36 |
| doomlord | voice+touch might be a great combination | 15:36 |
| doomlord | anyway, i'm not 100% set on all that,, but i can see why they want to make UI's more touch-friendly | 15:37 |
| doomlord | the big titlebars with the icons inside them | 15:37 |
| doomlord | maybe this will kill off traditional desktop menus | 15:37 |
| daftykins | er they've been disappearing for ages here in Windows land | 15:38 |
| daftykins | browsers have them hidden, explorer lost them too in 7... | 15:38 |
| doomlord | thats because windows had the most retarded setup, with 'in-window' menubars | 15:38 |
| doomlord | and windows has been trying to go touchfriend, with the touchscreen laptops | 15:38 |
| doomlord | touch-friendly^ | 15:39 |
| daftykins | yeah they failed big time with 8 | 15:39 |
| daftykins | but why would you say that specifically about MS when *buntu has too? | 15:39 |
| doomlord | nevermind | 15:39 |
| doomlord | so back to the subject, can ubuntu deliver a nicely tweaked gnome shell. | 15:40 |
| daftykins | yeah, i was smelling a bit too much MS hatred there. | 15:40 |
| daftykins | heh i sure as hell don't care :D | 15:40 |
| doomlord | i haven't used MS in a long time | 15:40 |
| daftykins | servers \o/ | 15:40 |
| daftykins | oh i can tell | 15:40 |
| doomlord | thats how much i hate it maybe , lol. | 15:40 |
| doomlord | i hated it so much i stopped using it. | 15:40 |
| doomlord | mac laptop + linux desktop. | 15:41 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-daily-build-iso-images-now-available-to-download-515179.shtml | 15:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ill wait till alpha2 :p | 15:46 |
| lotuspsychje | then start heavy bugging out | 15:46 |
| daftykins | ;) | 15:59 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl souper | 16:10 |
| Bashing-om | Bad weather approaching - I may be gone in a hurry :( | 16:21 |
| immu | hi all | 16:34 |
| daftykins | lo | 16:34 |
| immu | whats up amigos | 16:35 |
| daftykins | mmm just working | 16:35 |
| immu | coool | 16:54 |
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