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| drpresident | can someone help me with ubuntu touch on nexus 4? | 20:11 |
| drpresident | I got it installed, but I have no internet options, when I pull down the networking part it just says 'empty!' | 20:12 |
| drpresident | I installed using TWRP and flashed both quantal-preinstalled-armhf+mako and quantal-preinstalled-phablet | 20:13 |
| mcphail | don't have a nexus 4, but those images sound _old_ | 20:14 |
| mcphail | drpresident: did you follow the install guide in the /topic? | 20:15 |
| drpresident | mcphail: I think it is old, the current image is zesty but I couldnt figure out how to flash the full image as its a tar.gz file | 20:35 |
| drpresident | mcphail: is there a way to simply unpack the tar.gz into the root of the device? when I unpacked it it looked like a complete file system | 20:35 |
| drpresident | mcphail: I also tried with ubuntu-device-flash but I always get like 90% through but after getting into recovery and pushing the files, it says 'error pushing' and quits | 20:38 |
| mcphail | I'd be surprised if there is a zesty image. I think you haven't followed the guide | 20:41 |
| mcphail | When I last used Touch, the images were all based on vivid and had to be flashed with ubuntu-device-flash | 20:42 |
| drpresident | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ | 20:42 |
| drpresident | this is the latest image | 20:42 |
| drpresident | If I can successfully flash boot and system, will that be enough to successfully run? | 20:43 |
| mcphail | That isn't a working image, as far as I am aware. Only the u-d-f route with the proper channels has been supported for ages | 20:43 |
| mcphail | Things might have changed over the past few months, but I'm not aware of that | 20:43 |
| drpresident | yeah, I would love it if that udf worked, but I get error pushing every time at the same spot | 20:44 |
| drpresident | Ive tried different usb ports and cords but I cant get it to complete | 20:44 |
| mcphail | There might be some issues depending on the version of android you had installed before trying u-d-f. I vaguely remember some people having to downgrade the android version to flash. I don't know if anyone on here is still using a nexus 4 or has flashed on recently... | 20:47 |
| drpresident | does the previous version of android matter if I factory reset and wipe before install? is it some sort of formatting? | 20:47 |
| drpresident | I might have to give that a go, Im running out of options and I really want to try it out | 20:48 |
| mcphail | I think it is some kind of problem with the adb versions, but I'm not fully sure. I've only used one of the preinstalled bq's | 20:48 |
| mcphail | I think you need android 4.x rather than 5.x to start the adventure | 20:49 |
| drpresident | Are there ubuntu phones for verizon? I kinda want to get one | 20:49 |
| mcphail | verizon is american? I don't think there were any phones in the US, and none will be released. The project is dead | 20:50 |
| drpresident | ubuntu touch is dead? | 20:50 |
| drpresident | I didnt hear about that thats a bummer | 20:50 |
| mcphail | There's an ongoing community effort to keep it going - the ubports gang | 20:51 |
| drpresident | but canonical has abandoned it? | 20:52 |
| mcphail | Yep. This parrot is no more | 20:52 |
| drpresident | I thought it was really promising, is there a reason they are quitting? | 20:53 |
| mcphail | They had done the easy 90% but stumbled on the remaining 90% | 20:53 |
| mcphail | It was beautiful while it lasted | 20:53 |
| mcphail | I miss it | 20:54 |
| drpresident | I really like the look and feel of the os and I love the idea of having a full linux terminal on my phone | 20:54 |
| drpresident | the terminal emulators never quite did it for me | 20:54 |
| mcphail | Yes. Writing apps for the phone was a real pleasure. You had a full Ubuntu base to play with | 20:55 |
| drpresident | does it run any terminal app that runs on ubuntu desktop? | 20:55 |
| mcphail | I think there might be a snap version of the terminal app | 20:55 |
| mcphail | Oh - you mean could you run normal command line apps? Yes, you could (although they could be a bit fiddly to install) | 20:56 |
| drpresident | what do you mean by snap version? | 20:56 |
| drpresident | I suppose you would need to build alot from source since its arm | 20:57 |
| mcphail | drpresident: don't worry, I read your question wrong | 20:57 |
| drpresident | mcphail: ok cool | 20:57 |
| mcphail | no - there are full ARM repos. Almost everything is prebuilt | 20:57 |
| drpresident | ok awesome that sounds great | 20:57 |
| mcphail | you just didn't have easy access to apt-get as the base image was read-only | 20:57 |
| drpresident | is it possible to run debian on an android phone? | 20:57 |
| mcphail | I think you can run debian in a chroot. No idea if you can run natively | 20:58 |
| mcphail | (drivers are always the issue) | 20:58 |
| drpresident | ive done that, then sshd into it but its hella slow | 20:58 |
| drpresident | oh yeah thats true all that special hardware on phones | 20:58 |
| mcphail | Going back to android feels like a regression in many ways. But there is no doubt android "works" better day-to-day than Ubuntu ever did | 21:00 |
| drpresident | yeah but going from ubuntu to android is like going from android to ios | 21:00 |
| drpresident | just limiting the possibilities | 21:00 |
| mcphail | Got to salute the guys on here who helped us live the dream for a year or 2 :) | 21:01 |
| drpresident | Im seeing this "snap-based image" in these articles, what does that mean? | 21:01 |
| mcphail | the phone used a package format called "clicks". The next iteration of a click package is a "snap" package, which is being rolled out across ubuntu desktops and servers. The phone was going to move to snaps, but never quite got there | 21:02 |
| mcphail | snaps require kernel features which were never going to be available in the existing phones | 21:03 |
| drpresident | is there a reason they cant continue to develop using clicks? or find an alternative that works for phones? | 21:04 |
| mcphail | I think the Canonical developer numbers are too small to maintain 2 package formats. Lack of developer numbers, mainly | 21:05 |
| drpresident | that makes sense | 21:06 |
| mcphail | Ubuntu Touch suffered from developers being stretched too thinly | 21:06 |
| drpresident | I hope something like ubuntu touch comes out in the future, if I could have a full desktop in a mobile version I would love it | 21:06 |
| mcphail | Who knows? The android phone manufacturers are producing phones which do that, now. Maybe we'll get another GNU/Linux phone in the future | 21:07 |
| drpresident | is it possible to install ubuntu desktop on tablets? | 21:08 |
| mcphail | Don't know. I'd guess some x86-based tablets would work. Don't know about ARM tablets. ARM is horrible | 21:08 |
| drpresident | what is the benefit of arm? is it just smaller? | 21:09 |
| mcphail | Much more power efficient | 21:09 |
| drpresident | do you think arm can get phased out as batteries get better? | 21:09 |
| mcphail | I hope so. I have an ARM server, which is fairly open and works well. But most ARM devices are reliant on binary blobs or occult knowledge at some point. I hope ARM dies | 21:10 |
| drpresident | I think ill get an x86 tablet and try to install ubuntu desktop on it, that would be satisfactory assuming I cant get ubuntu touch to work | 21:11 |
| drpresident | or ill just carry around a mobile usb battery and my raspberry pi | 21:11 |
| drpresident | with a monitor keyboard and mouse | 21:12 |
| mcphail | Remember that some x86 tablets are locked down tight. You can't always unlock them to flash what you want | 21:12 |
| drpresident | well shit, ill have to do some research ad be careful | 21:12 |
| drpresident | that would be frustrating | 21:12 |
| mcphail | Yes, use google first | 21:12 |
| drpresident | I would think an x86 tablet would run similar to a laptop | 21:12 |
| mcphail | not as far as I know. I think the provisions to unlock secure boot are not made on all tablets | 21:13 |
| mcphail | Modern tech is rubbish | 21:13 |
| drpresident | its made for stupid people to do stupid things and still work | 21:14 |
| drpresident | are bq phones and tablets quality? | 21:14 |
| mcphail | The bq phone I had was very basic, but did the job it needed to do (the e 4.5). That was a bottom-of-the-range device. No idea about their other hardware. I've never seen another bq device in real life | 21:16 |
| drpresident | can you get them in the US? | 21:16 |
| drpresident | it seems like they may only be available in europe | 21:16 |
| mcphail | You couldn't buy the Ubuntu devices in the US, but I don't know if you can buy other bq devices there | 21:17 |
| drpresident | ill have to do some research | 21:17 |
| mcphail | Remember - most bq devices do not support Ubuntu touch. Only the one which shipped with Ubuntu have images | 21:17 |
| mcphail | *ones | 21:18 |
| drpresident | yeah, I wanna get the ubuntu tablet just to play with as a side device | 21:18 |
| mcphail | Cool. Hope you like it :) | 21:19 |
| drpresident | thanks me too | 21:19 |
| drpresident | i gtg but thanks for your help~ | 21:19 |
| drpresident | !* | 21:19 |
| mcphail | drpresident: my pleasure | 21:19 |
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