[09:52] <igorjoxa> OTA-16 is in the plans for the release?
[20:11] <drpresident> can someone help me with ubuntu touch on nexus 4?
[20:12] <drpresident> I got it installed, but I have no internet options, when I pull down the networking part it just says 'empty!'
[20:13] <drpresident> I installed using TWRP and flashed both quantal-preinstalled-armhf+mako and quantal-preinstalled-phablet
[20:14] <mcphail> don't have a nexus 4, but those images sound _old_
[20:15] <mcphail> drpresident: did you follow the install guide in the /topic?
[20:35] <drpresident> mcphail: I think it is old, the current image is zesty but I couldnt figure out how to flash the full image as its a tar.gz file
[20:35] <drpresident> mcphail: is there a way to simply unpack the tar.gz into the root of the device? when I unpacked it it looked like a complete file system
[20:38] <drpresident> mcphail: I also tried with ubuntu-device-flash but I always get like 90% through but after getting into recovery and pushing the files, it says 'error pushing' and quits
[20:41] <mcphail> I'd be surprised if there is a zesty image. I think you haven't followed the guide
[20:42] <mcphail> When I last used Touch, the images were all based on vivid and had to be flashed with ubuntu-device-flash
[20:42] <drpresident> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[20:42] <drpresident> this is the latest image
[20:43] <drpresident> If I can successfully flash boot and system, will that be enough to successfully run?
[20:43] <mcphail> That isn't a working image, as far as I am aware. Only the u-d-f route with the proper channels has been supported for ages
[20:43] <mcphail> Things might have changed over the past few months, but I'm not aware of that
[20:44] <drpresident> yeah, I would love it if that udf worked, but I get error pushing every time at the same spot
[20:44] <drpresident> Ive tried different usb ports and cords but I cant get it to complete
[20:47] <mcphail> There might be some issues depending on the version of android you had installed before trying u-d-f. I vaguely remember some people having to downgrade the android version to flash. I don't know if anyone on here is still using a nexus 4 or has flashed on recently...
[20:47] <drpresident> does the previous version of android matter if I factory reset and wipe before install? is it some sort of formatting?
[20:48] <drpresident> I might have to give that a go, Im running out of options and I really want to try it out
[20:48] <mcphail> I think it is some kind of problem with the adb versions, but I'm not fully sure. I've only used one of the preinstalled bq's
[20:49] <mcphail> I think you need android 4.x rather than 5.x to start the adventure
[20:49] <drpresident> Are there ubuntu phones for verizon? I kinda want to get one
[20:50] <mcphail> verizon is american? I don't think there were any phones in the US, and none will be released. The project is dead
[20:50] <drpresident> ubuntu touch is dead?
[20:50] <drpresident> I didnt hear about that thats a bummer
[20:51] <mcphail> There's an ongoing community effort to keep it going - the ubports gang
[20:52] <drpresident> but canonical has abandoned it?
[20:52] <mcphail> Yep. This parrot is no more
[20:53] <drpresident> I thought it was really promising, is there a reason they are quitting?
[20:53] <mcphail> They had done the easy 90% but stumbled on the remaining 90%
[20:53] <mcphail> It was beautiful while it lasted
[20:54] <mcphail> I miss it
[20:54] <drpresident> I really like the look and feel of the os and I love the idea of having a full linux terminal on my phone
[20:54] <drpresident> the terminal emulators never quite did it for me
[20:55] <mcphail> Yes. Writing apps for the phone was a real pleasure. You had a full Ubuntu base to play with
[20:55] <drpresident> does it run any terminal app that runs on ubuntu desktop?
[20:55] <mcphail> I think there might be a snap version of the terminal app
[20:56] <mcphail> Oh - you mean could you run normal command line apps? Yes, you could (although they could be a bit fiddly to install)
[20:56] <drpresident> what do you mean by snap version?
[20:57] <drpresident> I suppose you would need to build alot from source since its arm
[20:57] <mcphail> drpresident: don't worry, I read your question wrong
[20:57] <drpresident> mcphail: ok cool
[20:57] <mcphail> no - there are full ARM repos. Almost everything is prebuilt
[20:57] <drpresident> ok awesome that sounds great
[20:57] <mcphail> you just didn't have easy access to apt-get as the base image was read-only
[20:57] <drpresident> is it possible to run debian on an android phone?
[20:58] <mcphail> I think you can run debian in a chroot. No idea if you can run natively
[20:58] <mcphail> (drivers are always the issue)
[20:58] <drpresident> ive done that, then sshd into it but its hella slow
[20:58] <drpresident> oh yeah thats true all that special hardware on phones
[21:00] <mcphail> Going back to android feels like a regression in many ways. But there is no doubt android "works" better day-to-day than Ubuntu ever did
[21:00] <drpresident> yeah but going from ubuntu to android is like going from android to ios
[21:00] <drpresident> just limiting the possibilities
[21:01] <mcphail> Got to salute the guys on here who helped us live the dream for a year or 2 :)
[21:01] <drpresident> Im seeing this "snap-based image" in these articles, what does that mean?
[21:02] <mcphail> the phone used a package format called "clicks". The next iteration of a click package is a "snap" package, which is being rolled out across ubuntu desktops and servers. The phone was going to move to snaps, but never quite got there
[21:03] <mcphail> snaps require kernel features which were never going to be available in the existing phones
[21:04] <drpresident> is there a reason they cant continue to develop using clicks? or find an alternative that works for phones?
[21:05] <mcphail> I think the Canonical developer numbers are too small to maintain 2 package formats. Lack of developer numbers, mainly
[21:06] <drpresident> that makes sense
[21:06] <mcphail> Ubuntu Touch suffered from developers being stretched too thinly
[21:06] <drpresident> I hope something like ubuntu touch comes out in the future, if I could have a full desktop in a mobile version I would love it
[21:07] <mcphail> Who knows? The android phone manufacturers are producing phones which do that, now. Maybe we'll get another GNU/Linux phone in the future
[21:08] <drpresident> is it possible to install ubuntu desktop on tablets?
[21:08] <mcphail> Don't know. I'd guess some x86-based tablets would work. Don't know about ARM tablets. ARM is horrible
[21:09] <drpresident> what is the benefit of arm? is it just smaller?
[21:09] <mcphail> Much more power efficient
[21:09] <drpresident> do you think arm can get phased out as batteries get better?
[21:10] <mcphail> I hope so. I have an ARM server, which is fairly open and works well. But most ARM devices are reliant on binary blobs or occult knowledge at some point. I hope ARM dies
[21:11] <drpresident> I think ill get an x86 tablet and try to install ubuntu desktop on it, that would be satisfactory assuming I cant get ubuntu touch to work
[21:11] <drpresident> or ill just carry around a mobile usb battery and my raspberry pi
[21:12] <drpresident> with a monitor keyboard and mouse
[21:12] <mcphail> Remember that some x86 tablets are locked down tight. You can't always unlock them to flash what you want
[21:12] <drpresident> well shit, ill have to do some research ad be careful
[21:12] <drpresident> that would be frustrating
[21:12] <mcphail> Yes, use google first
[21:12] <drpresident> I would think an x86 tablet would run similar to a laptop
[21:13] <mcphail> not as far as I know. I think the provisions to unlock secure boot are not made on all tablets
[21:13] <mcphail> Modern tech is rubbish
[21:14] <drpresident> its made for stupid people to do stupid things and still work
[21:14] <drpresident> are bq phones and tablets quality?
[21:16] <mcphail> The bq phone I had was very basic, but did the job it needed to do (the e 4.5). That was a bottom-of-the-range device. No idea about their other hardware. I've never seen another bq device in real life
[21:16] <drpresident> can you get them in the US?
[21:16] <drpresident> it seems like they may only be available in europe
[21:17] <mcphail> You couldn't buy the Ubuntu devices in the US, but I don't know if you can buy other bq devices there
[21:17] <drpresident> ill have to do some research
[21:17] <mcphail> Remember - most bq devices do not support Ubuntu touch. Only the one which shipped with Ubuntu have images
[21:18] <mcphail> *ones
[21:18] <drpresident> yeah, I wanna get the ubuntu tablet just to play with as a side device
[21:19] <mcphail> Cool. Hope you like it :)
[21:19] <drpresident> thanks me too
[21:19] <drpresident> i gtg but thanks for your help~
[21:19] <drpresident> !*
[21:19] <mcphail> drpresident: my pleasure