=== Piece_Maker is now known as Acou_Bass === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === JanC is now known as Guest5365 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:52] OTA-16 is in the plans for the release? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [20:11] can someone help me with ubuntu touch on nexus 4? [20:12] I got it installed, but I have no internet options, when I pull down the networking part it just says 'empty!' [20:13] I installed using TWRP and flashed both quantal-preinstalled-armhf+mako and quantal-preinstalled-phablet [20:14] don't have a nexus 4, but those images sound _old_ [20:15] drpresident: did you follow the install guide in the /topic? [20:35] mcphail: I think it is old, the current image is zesty but I couldnt figure out how to flash the full image as its a tar.gz file [20:35] mcphail: is there a way to simply unpack the tar.gz into the root of the device? when I unpacked it it looked like a complete file system [20:38] mcphail: I also tried with ubuntu-device-flash but I always get like 90% through but after getting into recovery and pushing the files, it says 'error pushing' and quits [20:41] I'd be surprised if there is a zesty image. I think you haven't followed the guide [20:42] When I last used Touch, the images were all based on vivid and had to be flashed with ubuntu-device-flash [20:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ [20:42] this is the latest image [20:43] If I can successfully flash boot and system, will that be enough to successfully run? [20:43] That isn't a working image, as far as I am aware. Only the u-d-f route with the proper channels has been supported for ages [20:43] Things might have changed over the past few months, but I'm not aware of that [20:44] yeah, I would love it if that udf worked, but I get error pushing every time at the same spot [20:44] Ive tried different usb ports and cords but I cant get it to complete [20:47] There might be some issues depending on the version of android you had installed before trying u-d-f. I vaguely remember some people having to downgrade the android version to flash. I don't know if anyone on here is still using a nexus 4 or has flashed on recently... [20:47] does the previous version of android matter if I factory reset and wipe before install? is it some sort of formatting? [20:48] I might have to give that a go, Im running out of options and I really want to try it out [20:48] I think it is some kind of problem with the adb versions, but I'm not fully sure. I've only used one of the preinstalled bq's [20:49] I think you need android 4.x rather than 5.x to start the adventure [20:49] Are there ubuntu phones for verizon? I kinda want to get one [20:50] verizon is american? I don't think there were any phones in the US, and none will be released. The project is dead [20:50] ubuntu touch is dead? [20:50] I didnt hear about that thats a bummer [20:51] There's an ongoing community effort to keep it going - the ubports gang [20:52] but canonical has abandoned it? [20:52] Yep. This parrot is no more [20:53] I thought it was really promising, is there a reason they are quitting? [20:53] They had done the easy 90% but stumbled on the remaining 90% [20:53] It was beautiful while it lasted [20:54] I miss it [20:54] I really like the look and feel of the os and I love the idea of having a full linux terminal on my phone [20:54] the terminal emulators never quite did it for me [20:55] Yes. Writing apps for the phone was a real pleasure. You had a full Ubuntu base to play with [20:55] does it run any terminal app that runs on ubuntu desktop? [20:55] I think there might be a snap version of the terminal app [20:56] Oh - you mean could you run normal command line apps? Yes, you could (although they could be a bit fiddly to install) [20:56] what do you mean by snap version? [20:57] I suppose you would need to build alot from source since its arm [20:57] drpresident: don't worry, I read your question wrong [20:57] mcphail: ok cool [20:57] no - there are full ARM repos. Almost everything is prebuilt [20:57] ok awesome that sounds great [20:57] you just didn't have easy access to apt-get as the base image was read-only [20:57] is it possible to run debian on an android phone? [20:58] I think you can run debian in a chroot. No idea if you can run natively [20:58] (drivers are always the issue) [20:58] ive done that, then sshd into it but its hella slow [20:58] oh yeah thats true all that special hardware on phones [21:00] Going back to android feels like a regression in many ways. But there is no doubt android "works" better day-to-day than Ubuntu ever did [21:00] yeah but going from ubuntu to android is like going from android to ios [21:00] just limiting the possibilities [21:01] Got to salute the guys on here who helped us live the dream for a year or 2 :) [21:01] Im seeing this "snap-based image" in these articles, what does that mean? [21:02] the phone used a package format called "clicks". The next iteration of a click package is a "snap" package, which is being rolled out across ubuntu desktops and servers. The phone was going to move to snaps, but never quite got there [21:03] snaps require kernel features which were never going to be available in the existing phones [21:04] is there a reason they cant continue to develop using clicks? or find an alternative that works for phones? [21:05] I think the Canonical developer numbers are too small to maintain 2 package formats. Lack of developer numbers, mainly [21:06] that makes sense [21:06] Ubuntu Touch suffered from developers being stretched too thinly [21:06] I hope something like ubuntu touch comes out in the future, if I could have a full desktop in a mobile version I would love it [21:07] Who knows? The android phone manufacturers are producing phones which do that, now. Maybe we'll get another GNU/Linux phone in the future [21:08] is it possible to install ubuntu desktop on tablets? [21:08] Don't know. I'd guess some x86-based tablets would work. Don't know about ARM tablets. ARM is horrible [21:09] what is the benefit of arm? is it just smaller? [21:09] Much more power efficient [21:09] do you think arm can get phased out as batteries get better? [21:10] I hope so. I have an ARM server, which is fairly open and works well. But most ARM devices are reliant on binary blobs or occult knowledge at some point. I hope ARM dies [21:11] I think ill get an x86 tablet and try to install ubuntu desktop on it, that would be satisfactory assuming I cant get ubuntu touch to work [21:11] or ill just carry around a mobile usb battery and my raspberry pi [21:12] with a monitor keyboard and mouse [21:12] Remember that some x86 tablets are locked down tight. You can't always unlock them to flash what you want [21:12] well shit, ill have to do some research ad be careful [21:12] that would be frustrating [21:12] Yes, use google first [21:12] I would think an x86 tablet would run similar to a laptop [21:13] not as far as I know. I think the provisions to unlock secure boot are not made on all tablets [21:13] Modern tech is rubbish [21:14] its made for stupid people to do stupid things and still work [21:14] are bq phones and tablets quality? [21:16] The bq phone I had was very basic, but did the job it needed to do (the e 4.5). That was a bottom-of-the-range device. No idea about their other hardware. I've never seen another bq device in real life [21:16] can you get them in the US? [21:16] it seems like they may only be available in europe [21:17] You couldn't buy the Ubuntu devices in the US, but I don't know if you can buy other bq devices there [21:17] ill have to do some research [21:17] Remember - most bq devices do not support Ubuntu touch. Only the one which shipped with Ubuntu have images [21:18] *ones [21:18] yeah, I wanna get the ubuntu tablet just to play with as a side device [21:19] Cool. Hope you like it :) [21:19] thanks me too [21:19] i gtg but thanks for your help~ [21:19] !* [21:19] drpresident: my pleasure