[00:54] <m0nkey_> daftykins: you watching louis?
[00:59] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/857036088099000320
[01:00] <diddledan> ok, who killed the bot?!
[01:01] <diddledan> oh it's back already
[08:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug An Australian Day! 😃  🐨
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> just make sure they're not harbouring any poisonous native wildlife first...
[08:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G2lqY3Nuk0
[08:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, no Aussie connection though?
[08:45] <JamesTait> Focus on the hugs.
[08:45] <JamesTait> Not necessarily a bad policy.
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <brobostigon> woops,
[08:45] <JamesTait> brobostigon, 👋
[08:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: only cause Kylie didn't sing it
[08:46] <JamesTait> brobostigon, 👋
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning
[09:06] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[09:07] <brobostigon> not bad overall, just booked some theatre tickets for friday for me and my fiance, and you?
[09:08] <MooDoo> yeah not doing too bad, roll on friday, nice 3 day weekend :)
[09:09] <brobostigon> :)
[11:40] <foobarry> i totally forgot we had a bank holiday coming until my wife told me yesetrday
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> which she will fill with diy tasks that have accumulated over winter... :-)
[11:42] <TwistedLucidity> As I don't get Bank Holidays, I didn't know about it either. Have now booked it off.
[13:20] <etheretic> rollback
[13:38] <etheretic> anyone use kubuntu?
[13:38] <foobarry> no but i got the t-shirt
[13:39] <etheretic> congratulations.
[13:40] <etheretic> foo> the system icons looks like a early-80's mac se (bw) desktop version
[13:41] <etheretic> plus a dash cyan here and there.
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> etheretic: Me. But I don't have the default UI settings.
[13:52] <etheretic> TwistedLucidity, what icon set do you use?
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Crikey, err....
[13:54] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze", it seems.
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze" look and feel
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze Dark" desktop theme
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze" cursor theme
[13:56] <TwistedLucidity> So may well be more default than I thought
[14:00] <etheretic> in kde-ubuntu..
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> Aye, Kubuntu 1604
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> I might move to KDE Neon in a bit
[14:03] <etheretic> ..
[14:26] <etheretic> same bugger-ugly b/w system panel icons..
[14:37] <etheretic> TwistedLucidity, no change after swapping to breeze dark.
[14:40] <daftykins> you might get more in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[14:42] <TwistedLucidity> Most of my notification icons are in B&W, the rest are in colour
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe I have some misconfiguration and it's working by fluke?
[14:44] <TwistedLucidity> Whilst I like how KDE looks, I have always found it a nightmare to configure. There seems to be little logic to categories and little documentation that explains things clearly
[14:44] <etheretic> u have a point there.
[14:45] <etheretic> using a 10 yr old sony vaio which chokes on cinnamon (looks better).
[14:46] <daftykins> xubuntu would be a better fit than KDE
[14:46] <daftykins> well, xfce - to use the right term
[14:46] <etheretic> as to system demands?
[14:46] <daftykins> yeah
[14:46] <etheretic> hm
[14:47] <daftykins> what are the specs though? the old idea that Linux props up old machines is becoming a myth
[14:47] <etheretic> at lerst k(ubuntu) plays movies without hiccups.
[14:48] <daftykins> err that shouldn't be relevant to any given DE
[14:48] <etheretic> 1gb ram, intel phoenix (?) cpu. especially firefox eat up swap space, paralyzes the machine.
[14:50] <etheretic> daftykins, fact here. watching movies with smplayer in cinnamon = hiccups, plasma not.
[14:50] <daftykins> Phoenix BIOS hehe, that's not a CPU.
[14:50] <daftykins> etheretic: yeah that's a default packages and drivers situation, not a DE one.
[14:50] <daftykins> simply a coincidence
[14:51] <daftykins> 1GB RAM i wouldn't even try to use anymore
[14:51] <etheretic> daftykins, ah right, used to use acorns so i was a bit off intel (brands) back then.. ;D
[14:51] <daftykins> haha i had acorns during school, '96 through 2000
[14:52] <etheretic> "640k is enough for everybody." - Bill G.
[14:53] <etheretic> beautiful machines, the archimedeses and riscpcs.
[14:53] <daftykins> i think that quote is stupid, because everyone makes claims that are invalidated sooner or later
[14:53] <etheretic> lightspeed..
[14:54] <foobarry> acorn user here too
[14:55] <etheretic> font anti-aliasing was a great boon back then. more or less wysiwyg.
[14:56] <etheretic> as opposed to windos/mac (then)
[14:56] <daftykins> not sure what methods you mean they used, subpixel rendering is what's used with LCD tech nowadays
[14:58] <etheretic> putting in greytones around the lines to make them look smooth. it worked/works.
[14:58] <etheretic> s/lines/curves
[14:59] <daftykins> i guess that's the old CRT approach, same deal with subpixel rendering except it makes use of the fractional pixels beside on LCDs
[15:00] <etheretic> but i'm still up the creek re. b&w system panel icons..
[15:00] <daftykins> is it really worth trying to resolve when KDE on such a spec machine is a masochistic choice?
[15:01] <daftykins> i give away machines with 4GB RAM these days
[15:02] <etheretic> not sure there is space for xfce
[15:02] <diddledan> that quote is also silly because afaict nobody has proven he said ity
[15:02] <etheretic> on the hd *100gb(
[15:02] <daftykins> well don't put it on top, wipe it for xubuntu
[15:02] <daftykins> or just try a live session :> oh wait yeah 1GB RAM would suck even for a live session...
[15:02] <diddledan> AND, the 640KB wasn't a DOS limitation, it was a limitation on the 8086 CPU IIRC
[15:02] <daftykins> diddledan: heh that's amusing
[15:03] <diddledan> it wasn't until the 286 came along that PCs could address higher rams
[15:03] <etheretic> the very idea!
[15:04] <diddledan> I was looking into it a week or so ago because I fancied trying a homebrew ram card on my old PC1640
[15:04] <diddledan> but that's an 8086 CPU so I believe it won't work
[15:04] <etheretic> b. g. visited acorn in camby early 80s, were shown an econet network, asked @\"what's a network?" that's innovation that is.
[15:05] <diddledan> heh, network wasn't a thing in microsoft's eyes until windows 3.11 and NT3.51 came along
[15:05] <diddledan> but netware beat them to the punch in the early years
[15:06] <diddledan> my college in 1999/2000 still used netware on XP clients!!
[15:06] <etheretic> they've always been plagiarizing tech.
[15:06] <daftykins> XP wasn't out 'til 2001
[15:06] <diddledan> shush!
[15:07] <daftykins> diddledan, noted time traveller ;D
[15:07] <diddledan> :-p
[15:07] <diddledan> I wonder what we were using then, it was definitely not 9x/me
[15:07] <daftykins> heh i often imagine how neat it would be to travel back and demo some modern tech at a consumer electronics show
[15:07] <daftykins> blow their minds!
[15:07] <diddledan> and I'm sure it wasn't NT. must have been 2k?
[15:08] <daftykins> could be!
[15:08] <diddledan> daftykins: computershow!
[15:08] <daftykins> wat
[15:08] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDAs245Gu1JX0hy8MPgiKRQ
[15:09] <diddledan> lovely parody of the computer chronicles
[15:09] <diddledan> chronicals
[15:09] <diddledan> htf do you speeel that?
[15:09] <daftykins> chronicles
[15:09] <diddledan> it looks odd
[15:09] <daftykins> :D
[15:09] <etheretic> went to acorn user shows in harrogate/london in 97/98. very enlightening. 8)
[15:10] <diddledan> I had a school friend who avidly played on our tutor's BBC Micro in break time - his game of choice was chuckie egg
[15:10] <etheretic> microserfs :D
[15:11] <etheretic> diddledan, no elite?
[15:11] <diddledan> nah
[15:11] <diddledan> I used to play elite though, on my home PC
[15:11] <daftykins> wouldn't last 5 minutes now of course, "oh your OS is in ROM and you can't get security fixes? oh dear"
[15:11] <diddledan> I was bad
[15:12] <diddledan> daftykins: surely they just ship you the patchrom
[15:12] <etheretic> sec fixes are moot when you're rom'ed.
[15:12] <diddledan> roms on top of roms :-p
[15:12] <daftykins> er, no, no they're not :P
[15:13] <diddledan> they should design them to be stackable so that you can load a patchrom onto an earlier rom
[15:13] <etheretic> or use eproms
[15:13] <diddledan> and every 6 months they ship you a full replacement rom so you can lower the stack to one layer again
[15:13] <daftykins> but they're only capable of x flashes
[15:14] <diddledan> I'd hate to get a ROM virus
[15:14] <diddledan> imagine it - someone gives you a fake patchrom which loads malware instead
[15:14] <etheretic> oh ah. let's go optic/holographic with fractal compression and never look back.
[15:15] <diddledan> the compression is useless unless it's middle-out
[15:15] <diddledan> these guys invented the idea: http://www.piedpiper.com/
[15:16] <etheretic> btw, any of you live in the Solent area?
[15:16] <diddledan> yup. amazingstoke.
[15:16] <etheretic> that close to hempschmire?
[15:16] <diddledan> right on the edge of the solent region, but still just about
[15:17] <etheretic> i'm in oslo btw.
[15:18] <daftykins> yesterday i had to fight .NET 4 onto a friends machine solely to run Brother's printer driver *installer*
[15:18] <diddledan> oh, just down the road
[15:18] <daftykins> they even wrapped up their files so you couldn't just extract and pinch the driver portion out
[15:18] <daftykins> evil!
[15:18] <diddledan> haha
[15:18] <diddledan> I mean, aww
[15:19] <etheretic> must go
[15:20] <daftykins> i first snagged Brother's firmware update tool, but it only functions if you have the printer installed
[15:20] <daftykins> you can't just point it to an IP...
[15:57] <cydia> loskey
[15:58] <Guest18488> hi
[15:58] <daftykins> lo
[15:58] <Guest18488> lol
[15:59] <Guest18488> asl?
[15:59] <daftykins> try a bit more of a grown up question
[15:59] <Guest18488> alright
[16:00] <Guest18488> where iam?
[16:00] <daftykins> the topic explains it well enough, plus you chose to come here
[16:02] <Guest18488> are you on facebook?
[16:02] <TwistedLucidity> No, I'm on a chair
[16:05] <daftykins> Guest18488: either start making sense or leave
[16:06] <Guest18488> the problem with somepeople............
[16:07] <TwistedLucidity> Is they don't know which IRC channel they are on?
[16:09] <jammm> Blah Blah Blah
[16:10] <jammm> remember to be nice to yourself too
[20:53] <foobarry> i see Guest* as the same as twitter egg avatars..
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> or someone locked in a battle of wits with their irc client and nickserv... #cueTrekFightingMusic
[20:56] <diddledan> da da dooo doooo dooooo diddledum
[21:04] <diddledan> https://www.thurrott.com/windows/109962/windows-bloated-thanks-adobes-extensible-metadata-platform
[21:10] <daftykins> y'linked that one t'other night :>
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it is interesting to see were metadata leads as we often hear governments claim that there's no harm in them collecting such tiny amounts of data...
[21:12] <daftykins> can only imagine the bit barn needed to hoard even that, mmm
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> they store it in taxi cab net on usb drives they free from trade shows... the data constantly circling london waiting to be retrieved...
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> brilliant... :-) https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/picture-this-senate-staffers-id-cards-have-photo-of-smart-chip-no-security/
[23:20] <diddledan> interesting breakdown of how to program a character lcd: https://youtu.be/hZRL8luuPb8