[05:43] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:03] <theblazehen> hi night
[07:03] <theblazehen> nsnzero* 
[07:03] <theblazehen> oops
[10:03] <Kilos> morning everyone
[10:04] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[12:57] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos hi
[12:57] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[13:39] <theblazehen> If you need admin access to a web interface to exploit a vulnerability where you can get a root shell, is it even worth reporting?
[13:43] <pavlushka> I guess no
[13:44] <theblazehen> They probably wouldn't do anything about it anyway
[13:44] <theblazehen> Well, if anyone wants to install linux on their Netgear DGN2200 (and probably more) or D-Link DSL-* router, let me know
[13:45] <pavlushka> theblazehen: lol, they are already running linux :p
[13:45] <theblazehen> pavlushka: I meant like in a chroot
[13:46] <pavlushka> ohk
[13:46] <theblazehen> Lets say, linux in a useful form
[13:49] <theblazehen> Netgear and D-Link both have 64 MB RAM  
[14:28] <Langjan> Good day all
[14:38] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[14:46] <chesedo> theblazehen: i would think it is worth reporting... isn't that a form of escalating priviliges
[14:57] <theblazehen> chesedo: Well, if you're an admin in the web interface you can configure firewall rules there etc, so you could mess with peoples traffic there. Can't think of anything else that you could do from the cli that you can legitimately do from the web interface. Basically, yes, but it's not like you can _do_ anything with the extra privileges
[15:02] <chesedo> theblazehen: how about setting up a backdoor for the day they fire you?
[15:11]  * chesedo thinks that installing things like packet sniffers can also create other 
[15:11] <chesedo> 'issues'
[15:31] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[15:32] <Kilos> and hi inetpro 
[15:33] <Langjan> You well kilos? Connection probs?
[15:33] <Langjan> hi inetpro 
[15:33] <Kilos> sigh
[15:34] <Langjan> Ai!
[15:34] <Kilos> sorry for the part/joins
[15:34] <Kilos> net sleg vandag
[15:34] <Langjan> Arthritis?
[15:35] <Langjan> Jy of jou konneksie?
[15:35] <Kilos> internet
[15:35] <Langjan> OK so you ok?
[15:35] <Kilos> yes ty sir
[15:36] <Langjan> Good. I need some help plse
[15:36] <Kilos> ok lets hear it
[15:36] <Kilos> must be unity
[15:37] <Langjan> My laptop 
[15:37] <Langjan> nee man
[15:37] <Kilos> ok
[15:37] <Kilos> haha
[15:37] <Langjan> lmga
[15:37] <Kilos> ok what isnt working
[15:37] <Kilos> or
[15:38] <Kilos> what did you break
[15:38] <Langjan> lol
[15:38]  * Kilos listens carefully
[15:39] <Langjan> Wifi connection - no applet to click to connect
[15:39] <Kilos> ai!
[15:39] <Kilos> network manager
[15:40] <Kilos> add connection then choose wifi
[15:40] <Langjan> I found this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2251198
[15:40] <Langjan> but unable to locate package
[15:41] <Langjan> Been to network manager lots
[15:41] <Kilos> let me see what that says when it opens
[15:43] <Kilos> nm-applet missing
[15:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:43] <Kilos> rings a rusted bell somewhere
[15:43] <Langjan> Normally it will show a connection applet automatically
[15:44] <Kilos> Langjan was it working before
[15:44] <Langjan> Yes
[15:44] <Kilos> ok so
[15:44] <Langjan> then the wifi went dead
[15:44] <Kilos> what did you do or when did it disappear
[15:44] <Langjan> blue button
[15:44] <Langjan> nothing
[15:44] <Kilos> no upgrade
[15:45] <Langjan> when I was on my trip
[15:45] <Langjan> no
[15:45] <Kilos> oh
[15:45] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:45] <Langjan> I eventually got the blue button to work again but it does not seem to see the wifi signal
[15:45] <Kilos> i dont know the apt reinstall command
[15:45] <Langjan> ok
[15:46] <Langjan> dont think I have aptitude there
[15:46] <Kilos> and in synaptic type in unity and right click reinstall everything that shows installed
[15:46] <Kilos> install it man
[15:47] <Langjan> Its not unity its lubuntu
[15:47] <Kilos> i use aptitude on 16.04 still and nothing has broken yet
[15:47] <Kilos> oh lubu ntu
[15:48] <Kilos> then its lubuntu-desktop
[15:48] <Langjan> whats the command to install aptitude plse?
[15:48] <Kilos> \otherwise you end with unity
[15:48] <Kilos> sudo apt install aptitude
[15:48] <Langjan> installing
[15:49] <Kilos> look in synaptic if there is a package called nm-applet
[15:52] <Langjan> looking
[15:52] <Kilos> or also type in network and reinstall all you see that is installed
[15:53] <Langjan> no nm-applet
[15:53] <Langjan> ok
[15:53] <Kilos> i dont see on that link where it is solved
[15:55] <Kilos> otherwise ask the guys at ##phillw. last time they helped with lubuntu
[15:55] <Langjan> what does it mean when theres a star in the check box?
[15:55] <Kilos> and failing that /J #lubuntu
[15:56] <Kilos> i see there are 72 lubuntu guys there
[15:56] <Kilos> not sure how slow they are in responding
[15:56] <Langjan> ok just going thro the list and marking for reinstall, theres lots
[15:57] <Kilos> yes
[15:57] <Kilos> hopefully the guilty one has had a patch added
[15:57] <Langjan> What are the stars?
[15:58] <Kilos> thats an old link so we could be lucky
[15:58] <Kilos> huh????
[15:58] <Kilos> what stars
[15:58] <Langjan> stars in some check boxes
[15:59] <Kilos> right click one and see what it says
[15:59] <Kilos> you have done a reload there right
[15:59] <Kilos> or a sudo apt update
[16:00] <Kilos> i go make coffee so long
[16:01] <Langjan> ok enjoy
[16:04] <Kilos> any luck
[16:04] <Langjan> Downloading package files 30 s remaining
[16:04] <Kilos> ah so many updates
[16:05] <Langjan> Reinstalled all network packages
[16:06] <Langjan> installing software
[16:07] <Langjan> then try update and upgrade and reboot?
[16:08] <Kilos> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[16:08] <Langjan> ja
[16:11] <Langjan> All done, nothing shows up
[16:14] <Kilos> ai!
[16:15] <Kilos> can you add panels on lubuntu
[16:15] <Kilos> where is the launcher panel on it
[16:15] <Langjan> I have tried but dont see anything that matches
[16:16] <Langjan> Looks like gnome
[16:16] <Kilos> did you choose default panel
[16:16] <Langjan> yes
[16:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:16] <Kilos> ok
[16:16] <Kilos> where the icon was is there just a blank place there
[16:16] <Langjan> yes
[16:17] <Kilos> hover the mouse there
[16:17] <Kilos> what shows
[16:17] <Langjan> nothing
[16:18] <Kilos> if you right click there?
[16:18] <Langjan> add/remove panel items and panel setings , been there dont see anything
[16:19] <Kilos> this is right where that icon is supposed to be right
[16:19] <Kilos> left click it
[16:19] <Langjan> yes
[16:19] <Kilos> oh was the icon between other icons
[16:20] <Kilos> applets i think they call them
[16:21] <Langjan> yes
[16:21] <Langjan> I find network connections but cannot get it to show. Die dom van ouder-dom
[16:21] <Kilos> and it now shows a blank in the same place
[16:22] <Langjan> Well its a mostly blank top panel
[16:22] <Kilos> and if you add a panel on the left right or top it shows the same
[16:23] <Kilos> try add a panel at the bottom
[16:23] <Kilos> oh why you using lubuntu
[16:23] <Langjan> I have put the panel at the top, can move it to the left, right or bottom
[16:23] <Langjan> Lappie is too old, Ubuntu very sluggish
[16:24] <Kilos> ah
[16:24] <Kilos> join #phillw
[16:24] <Kilos>   /j #phillw
[16:24] <Langjan> Only one panel, it goes wherever you put it, so if it moves to the bottom nothing will change in contents
[16:25] <Kilos> oh you cant have three or 4
[16:25] <Langjan> Perhaps but I have not tried
[16:25] <Kilos> i can have panels surrounding the whole screen
[16:25] <Kilos> yes man add an extra one
[16:26] <Kilos> not fiddle with the one thats faulty
[16:26] <Langjan> Well the connection icon appeared in the current one for a long time so whats the point?
[16:26] <Kilos> if it shows then you remove the faulty one
[16:27] <Kilos> current one is sick now right
[16:27] <Langjan> I dont think its the panel
[16:28] <Langjan> but will see if I cnan get another one
[16:28] <Kilos> dont think just try
[16:28] <Kilos> modern pcs dont work in sign language
[16:35] <Langjan> I will have to spend some time checking those options and settings, will chat later, time for dinner break. Thks so far.  
[16:35] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:35] <Kilos> you always welcome
[16:35] <Langjan> Thks
[16:35] <Langjan> dankie
[16:37] <Langjan> By the way my reason for doubting panel idea is I get soft blocked and hard blocked output in HP-gps settings
[16:38] <Langjan> thats if I run lspci vvnn grep (cannot do the vertical line) -A 9 Network
[16:38] <Langjan> So network controller is blocked
[16:39] <Langjan> and ends with "access denied"
[16:39] <Langjan> at "capabilities"
[16:39] <Kilos> now im lost
[16:39] <Kilos> maybe the pro can help or the guys on #phillw
[16:39] <Langjan> So am I, cheers for now
[16:40] <Langjan> will try them
[16:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:40] <Langjan> if I can get thro hexchat
[16:40] <Kilos> maybe you gotta be root
[16:40] <Langjan> run lspc as sudo? 
[16:40] <Kilos> then it cant deny you
[16:41] <Kilos> i should be here
[16:42] <Kilos> no man
[16:42] <Kilos> whatever is saying access denied
[16:43] <Langjan> I ran as root then got different output but its Greek to me
[16:43] <Kilos> wait for pro 
[16:44] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Langjan> Crazy computers
[16:44] <Kilos> hear what pro says
[16:44] <Kilos> or give theblazehen some work
[16:45] <Kilos> or even paddatrapper or chesedo 
[16:45] <Kilos> yip
[16:45] <Kilos> only crazy peeps can fix them
[16:45] <Kilos> \did you eat so fast?
[16:47] <Langjan> Nee man ek moet nog gaan eet, daar roep vroutjie nou
[16:47] <Kilos> gaan
[16:48] <Kilos> old peeps are funny you know
[16:48] <Kilos> when you said you gonna eat i said enjoy
[16:48] <Kilos> you said ty but didnt even go eat
[16:48] <Kilos> ai!
[16:49] <pavlushka> lol
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <smile> hi everyone
[17:35] <Langjan> Hi smile
[17:35] <Langjan> Hi again kil
[17:36] <Langjan> Kilos, 
[17:36] <smile> I got out of bed this morning and my head was already bursting with headaches :)
[17:37] <Langjan> Ai! Are you drinking enough water, smile?
[17:37] <smile> Not sure :)
[17:38] <smile> A better question would be "are you sleeping enough"
[17:38] <smile> But I don't know the answer to that either
[17:38] <smile> Probably not.
[17:39] <smile> how're you, Langjan? 
[17:39] <Langjan> Perhaps. If you're drinking less water than 1,5 litres per day you are dehydrated
[17:39] <Langjan> good thks smile 
[17:40] <Langjan> Kilos, you'll be happy to know I put  a panel at the bottom and have put network connection buttons there
[17:40] <Langjan> BUT
[17:42] <Langjan> they first they said the connection is encrypted. Now they say it has no or limited connectivity. Right next to the router...
[17:59] <Langjan> you there Kilos- ?
[17:59] <Langjan> I see you gotta tail...
[18:00] <Kilos-> yeah connection in and out sigh
[18:00] <Langjan> Eish!
[18:01] <Langjan> Ok I have the icon working but it says the network was encrypted. I have no idea how that came about or what the key is. 
[18:01] <Kilos> wow
[18:01] <Kilos> you havent made an encrypted folder?
[18:02] <Langjan> I did the panel thing as you said
[18:02] <Langjan> no
[18:02] <Kilos> cryptkeeper
[18:02] <chesedo> Langjan: "...I put  a panel at the bottom" - what are you using these days?
[18:02] <Langjan> is that an ubuntu app? 
[18:02] <Kilos> bottom
[18:02] <smile> Langjan: then I'm dehydrated :p
[18:02] <Kilos> yes you can encrypt stuff
[18:02] <Langjan> hi chesedo I'm using Lubuntu on my laptop
[18:02] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[18:03] <chesedo> oh i see
[18:03] <Kilos> hi smile chesedo 
[18:03]  * chesedo smiles to smile.... and gives a wave
[18:03] <Langjan> smile, you need to drink 1,5 litres per day all on an empty stomacheb
[18:03] <smile> chesedo: likewise
[18:04] <Langjan> What is cryptkeeper? 
[18:04] <smile> Langjan: then I'll need to use the toilet too often :p
[18:04] <Langjan> chose between toilet and headaches
[18:04] <Kilos> Langjan it encrypts files and folders so no one can open them unless they have the password
[18:05] <Kilos> and know to open cryptkeeper
[18:05] <Langjan> Not a difficult choice, smile. lmga!
[18:05] <Kilos> dont forget the password or you will cry and tell me you need to find stuff in there
[18:06] <Langjan> OK but how do I find the encryption key for this wireless network? 
[18:06] <Kilos> i have no idea
[18:06] <smile> Langjan: you would think so :p
[18:06] <Kilos> chesedo jump in please
[18:08] <chesedo> Kilos: hmmm...
[18:09] <chesedo> Langjan: i am not sure of cryptkeepers use... but i guess that you never changed the default, which will be label somewhere on the access point
[18:09] <chesedo> will have*
[18:11] <Langjan> chesedo, by access point you mean the router?
[18:13] <chesedo> Langjan: mostly probably yes
[18:17] <Langjan> I don't understand how it could have become encrypted after it had been working for quite a while though
[18:22] <Langjan> Will the key not be visible in the router settings?
[18:23] <Langjan> There is a password in there - is it a different key?
[18:23] <Langjan> I have tried all the keys I could find, no luck
[18:24] <chesedo> Langjan: if it says AP, access point or wireless password - then it is the wireless' password
[18:24] <chesedo> theblazehen: you ready for the news?
[18:27] <pavlushka> chesedo: yeah, he is ready, tell me.
[18:27] <pavlushka> :p
[18:28] <chesedo> pavlushka: lol - talking about mini meeting's
[18:28] <theblazehen> chesedo: Don't have too much news, but yeah
[18:28] <chesedo> theblazehen: no worries, they are always great
[18:28] <chesedo> theblazehen: btw, do you know if the remaining lsd positions are still open
[18:29] <theblazehen> chesedo: Will need to check, @andrewlsd?
[18:30] <chesedo> andrewlsd: i am refering to the ones other than the DBA one
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Mini Meeting - 26 April 2017
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <chesedo> Hi all and welcome to another mini meeting
[18:30] <chesedo> feel free to introduce yourselves to maaz using 'Maaz: I am <first, last name>'
[18:30] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:30] <Maaz> chesedo: Yessir
[18:30] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Le Roux
[18:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[18:31] <chesedo> Our topics are:
[18:31] <chesedo> - Latest and Greatest News
[18:31] <chesedo> - Local Job Openings and Help Wanted
[18:31] <chesedo> - Education Project - Finding the Right Software
[18:31] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Latest and Greatest News
[18:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Latest and Greatest News
[18:31] <chesedo> off to the blaze - with excitement
[18:31] <theblazehen> http://karmainsecurity.com/tales-of-sugarcrm-security-horrors If you're running SugarCRM, patch it asap. And move to something better, if possible
[18:32] <theblazehen> On that note, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2017-10/ better upgrade firefox as well
[18:33] <theblazehen> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bfq-iosched/D-7wDP47iBI some good news - VFQ IO scheduler is now in mainline linux, which works really well for responsiveness on desktop systems
[18:33] <theblazehen> https://ablagoev.github.io/linux/adventures/commands/2017/02/19/adventures-in-usr-bin.html has some interesting stuff
[18:34] <theblazehen> https://dev.to/buntine/the-balanced-ternary-machines-of-soviet-russia nice read on some computing stuff in russia, with ternary computers
[18:34] <theblazehen> And https://github.com/ChrisRx/dungeonfs takes "Everything is a file" to a new level
[18:35] <theblazehen> Also, 9front is a bit more modern version of plan 9, has some great ideas, but I'm not too impressed with the shell environment etc
[18:36]  * theblazehen lost the link to other thing, 1 sec
[18:37]  * chesedo is a bit disappointed in mozilla
[18:38] <theblazehen> This guy wrote his own display managing system, with X and wayland compatibility layers, and here's a "Plan 9 like interface" for it https://arcan-fe.com/2017/04/17/one-night-in-rio-vacation-photos-from-plan9/
[18:38] <theblazehen> And the normal DE used with it http://durden.arcan-fe.com/
[18:38] <theblazehen> Worth a read through
[18:39] <theblazehen> https://arcan-fe.com/2016/12/29/chasing-the-dream-of-a-terminal-free-cli/ is a nice read as well, I'd sometimes like my terminals to work a bit more graphically
[18:39] <theblazehen> They way that plan 9 (and the video on https://arcan-fe.com/2017/04/17/one-night-in-rio-vacation-photos-from-plan9/) is how I think it would be really nice to have
[18:39] <theblazehen> That's about it then
[18:40] <chesedo> great ty theblazehen
[18:40] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Local Job Openings and Help Wanted
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Local Job Openings and Help Wanted
[18:40] <chesedo> With some new additions they are:
[18:40] <chesedo> - Certified Scrum Master (JHB) -> http://obsidian.co.za/careers
[18:40] <chesedo> - Open Source Hadoop Consultant (JHB) -> http://obsidian.co.za/careers
[18:40] <chesedo> - Senior Linux Administrator / Linux Architect (Jhb) -> http://www.lsd.co.za/senior-linux-administrator--linux-archi
[18:40] <chesedo> - Senior JAVA Developer with Middleware Experience (Jhb) -> http://www.lsd.co.za/senior-java-developer-with-middleware-ex
[18:40] <chesedo> - Java Middleware Magician (Jhb) -> http://www.lsd.co.za/java-middleware-magician
[18:41] <chesedo> although not too sure about the last three
[18:41] <chesedo> if anyone has others then feel free to mention them
[18:41] <chesedo> Maaz: topic Ubuntu Education
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu Education
[18:42] <chesedo> my status with this is the same as last time - well about...
[18:42] <chesedo> need to check out the software theblazehen mentioned and one that i read about in one textbook
[18:43] <chesedo> but with exams coming up, i am a bit busy currently...
[18:43] <chesedo> so that seems to be it
[18:43] <chesedo> thank you all for joining in on the mini meeting
[18:43] <chesedo> Maaz: end meeting
[18:43] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
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[18:43] <theblazehen> ty chesedo
[18:44] <chesedo> yw theblazehen
[18:45]  * chesedo is looking forward to reading about does vulnerabilies of the first news item
[18:45] <chesedo> s/does/those/
[18:46] <chesedo> i wonder if Langjan might have killed his net by changing a wrong passwd
[18:46] <nsnzero> good evening chesedo and the rest of the gang
[18:48] <theblazehen> hi nsnzero
[18:49] <nsnzero> how you doing theblazehen ?
[18:49] <theblazehen> Good and you nsnzero?
[18:50] <nsnzero> well enough  not to complain 
[18:50] <theblazehen> heh
[18:54] <chesedo> evening nsnzero
[18:54] <chesedo> nsnzero: you missed the meeting again, :D
[18:54] <nsnzero> watched a good moive called who am i theblazehen 
[18:55] <theblazehen> Looks interesting, ty nsnzero
[18:55] <nsnzero> sorry guys i just been caught up with house  matters 
[18:55] <nsnzero> its in german but there are subs available 
[18:56] <theblazehen> Cool
[19:00] <chesedo> nsnzero: np, and great share
[19:04] <nsnzero> i like in the main hollywood movies where hacking is depicted by furious typing followed by a large access denied or if successful a 3d representation of a file system
[19:05] <theblazehen> nsnzero: http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
[19:05] <theblazehen> Also, reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem  I know this!
[19:07] <nsnzero> theblazehen: thats what is missing from my system a 3d file explorer - now its complete 
[19:07] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Nice
[19:08] <theblazehen> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/2sz5xo/bspwmofxoc_i_love_sci_fi_movie_interfaces_so_i/
[19:08] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Give that a go :)
[19:12] <nsnzero> and just when i thought my system is cool enough !!!
[19:14] <nsnzero> i like when people see my pc and remarks its only got words on the screen - referring to the terminal emulators open 
[19:15] <theblazehen> heh, nice. People tend to say similar things about my multi monitor setup :)
[19:15] <theblazehen> 6 at home, and 6 at the office as well
[19:16] <theblazehen> And a lot better than my old 6 display setup http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy
[19:21] <nsnzero> only 6 screen how do you get any work done ! 12 is the minimum allowed nowdays
[19:22] <nsnzero> http://www.multi-monitors.com/Twelve_Monitor_Computers_s/6528.htm
[19:23] <theblazehen> > 1920 x 1080p Maximum Resolution Per Screen
[19:23] <theblazehen> hah
[19:23] <theblazehen> At home, 4k + 3x 2560x1440 + 1920x1080 + 1024x768
[19:24] <theblazehen> Office 4k + 2x 2560x1440 + 1920x1080 + 1366x768
[19:24] <theblazehen> Yeah. I guess I gotta upgrade
[19:24] <nsnzero> lol - you have enough 
[19:25] <theblazehen> Yeah...
[19:37] <Langjan> Kilos, I have sorted the problem without the encryption key. All ok and working. Thanks.
[19:39] <nsnzero> good night all
[21:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight