[02:41] <hylian> hello all
[08:07] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! ubuntu 17.04 is available, but xubuntu 17.04 no. When is planned to release xubuntu 17.04?
[08:07] <MoL0ToV> (i want to reinstall all pc with 17.04 on my network, a school)
[08:07] <smerz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/17.04/release/
[08:08] <MoL0ToV> is LTS?
[08:09] <smerz> 16.04 is latest LTS release
[08:09] <smerz> and i would recommend going for that tbh ;-)
[08:10] <MoL0ToV> this summer i must reinstall all pc with latest lts release. is possible that for summer the LTS is  17.04?
[08:10] <smerz> no LTS release are every two years
[08:11] <smerz> 14.04 was LTS. 16.04 is LTS. next LTS will be 18.04
[08:11] <MoL0ToV> 18.04 when is planned to be released?
[08:12] <smerz> 18 is the year. 04 the month
[08:12] <smerz> so april 2018
[08:12] <MoL0ToV> so i must install 16.04 lts
[08:13] <MoL0ToV> 16.04 has libreoffice 5.x ?
[08:15] <smerz> just started libreoffice calc: Version: 5.1.6.2
[08:30] <MoL0ToV> ok thx
[11:20] <sorinello_> smerz, what's wrong with non LTS releases ?
[11:21] <sorinello_> I am using xubuntu since 14.04 and I always migrated to the latest release after 1-2 days after release. Never had any issues
[11:31] <smerz> i prefer older releases for stability
[11:31] <smerz> even LTS i would wait like 6 months before upgrading. but that's personal experience/preference
[11:38] <knome> sorinello_, nothing necessarily; whether you should use them or not depends on what you are looking for
[11:55] <sorinello_> knome exactly, but in my opinion unless you are not using on any critical system, you shouldn't worry about being on an older versions. The benefits of newer software outnumber the benefits of having an older version in most cases
[11:58] <smerz> that's a matter of opinion :-)
[12:00] <Spass> sorinello_: Some people don't need to have the newest version of software (not counting security upgrades of course) and don't need to upgrade whole system two times a year
[12:01] <Spass> you're a Linux enthusiast so it's fun for you, but it may not be fun for everyone
[12:02] <sorinello_> well yes, I am en enthusiast. most of the release don't come with nothing new, but this, latest, 17.04 for example comes with a greatly improved version of terminal, which I already enjoy and use
[12:02] <Spass> plus, I have some problems/bug on 17.04 which aren't a big problem for me, but I would not recommend 17.04 for a new user, I would recommend 16.04.2
[13:39] <kblin> hi folks
[13:40] <kblin> I'm running 16.04 on my dell XPS laptop, and am pretty happy with it in general, but there's one bug that is really, really annoying:
[13:41] <kblin> when suspending the laptop, sometimes (like once every week or two) after logging back in all my open windows are closed
[13:41] <kblin> it looks like they were killed, because e.g. firefox comes back up apologizing for having crashed
[13:41] <pmjdebruijn> you mean ,as in the applicatinos aren't running anymore
[13:42] <kblin> yeah,
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> did you check dmesg?
[13:42] <kblin> I basically log in to what looks like a blank desktop
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> is there any correlation to how long you've been logged out?
[13:42] <kblin> but it's certainly not a restart, at least according to uptime
[13:42] <kblin> nope
[13:42] <pmjdebruijn> any errors in dmesg?
[13:44] <kblin> hmm, nothing immediately around the wakeup log entry
[13:44] <kblin> but a bit later there's something about drm being stuck on the render ring
[13:45] <kblin> I guess that'd be it, then
[13:45] <kblin> didn't think of checking the kernel log, it looked like a userspace issue :)
[13:53] <kblin> hm, annoying
[13:53] <kblin> the kernel message tells me to use the latest kernel
[13:53] <kblin> er no, the kernel message tells me to report the bug
[13:53] <kblin> the bug report guidelines say "just use the latest kernel"
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> can you pastebin it?
[14:05] <pmjdebruijn> which kernel do you have
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> since 16.04 can use the hardware enablement stacks
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[14:08] <kblin> pmjdebruijn: yeah, I found that one as well and just rebooted to get to the latest regular kernel so I could clear out some space in /boot
[14:09] <kblin> kernels have gotten rather large in the past years, and my probably too conservatively-spaced /boot can only hold two at a time
[14:17] <kblin> let's try on the HWE kernel and xorg\
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> kblin: uhm? only two?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> presumably you have a rediculously small /boot?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> 1GB is generally fine for /boot