[00:24] <Snuku> Hi everyone
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:33] <flo_> hello to everyone . i'm triyng to disable a xinput device with this command: xinput set-prop 4 "Device Enabled" 0 but i get the following error: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied). can someone help me to disable that xinput device?
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:22] <jubo2> Salut BluesKaj
[10:23] <BluesKaj> hey jubo2
[10:25] <jubo2> /howis BluesKaj
[10:26] <BluesKaj> ok,  you?
[11:41] <amichair> when/how does a 16.10 system get notified about the 17.04 upgrade?
[11:42] <hateball> you should have been already
[11:42] <hateball> assuming you havent hidden the muon updater plasmoid
[11:43] <amichair> hateball: where does the notification show up nowadays?
[11:43] <amichair> hateball: under 'Updates' in the system tray?
[11:43] <hateball> amichair: iirc yes (I dont use gui updater since long ago)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> usually in the system tray if you have the notifier turned on
[11:44] <hateball> otherwise just open konsole and run: sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:44] <amichair> hateball: it says the system is up to date. I also usually just use apt, but that would trigger a notification as well in previous releases
[11:45] <BluesKaj>  nope do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade first then release
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: is there a known bug? anything I should try or look at regarding notification before manually upgrading?
[11:45] <hateball> amichair: well have a look in the apt config you arent looking for LTS releases only
[11:45] <hateball> not that you should, being on 16.10 and all
[11:45] <amichair> hateball: I'm all updated and full-upgraded and restarted, but still no notification at any point
[11:45] <BluesKaj> yeah, doudt that option is enabled
[11:46] <amichair> hateball: I looked in software-properties-kde, it says notifications for Normal releases not LTS. How do I check it via api config directly?
[11:46] <amichair> s/api/apt/
[11:46] <hateball> amichair: well that should read from the proper config
[11:47] <amichair> hateball: do you know where the config is?
[11:47] <hateball> in /etc/apt/something, lemme see
[11:48] <hateball> ah I was wrong
[11:48] <hateball> amichair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades#Upgrade_policy
[11:49] <acheronUK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZestyUpgrades/Kubuntu#Upgrade
[11:49] <amichair> Prompt=normal
[11:51] <acheronUK> Run the command there to upgrade
[11:51] <amichair> acheronUK: thanks, I'll do that but first I was curious why the notification never showed up, if my system is messed up or there is a bug that should be investigated/reported
[11:52] <acheronUK> The bug is being looked at
[11:52] <amichair> acheronUK: oh it's a known issue?
[12:02] <hateball> acheronUK: interesting, I only ran "do-release-upgrade" and nothing else and it worked without issue
[12:02] <amichair> I see /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available does exist and mentions 17.04
[12:02] <hateball> don't recall if I was running backports, but I assume that doesnt matter
[12:07] <amichair> now I got motd to show it when sshing locally, but still no gui notification
 @hateball, do-release-upgrade will also work. Just not a gui way
 Discover just cant 'discover' it. All other methods of upgrade should be fine
[12:30] <hateball> The irony :p
[12:33] <amichair> ok, I'm upgrading with do-release-upgrade from terminal. Thanks guys.
[12:41] <acheronUK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/1682684
[13:28] <jsawyer> hi guys
[13:29] <jsawyer> i'm a web developer, now i'm using windows 7 on my laptop
[13:29] <jsawyer> i want to switch Kubuntu
[13:29] <jsawyer> is this a good choice for me?
[13:31] <jsawyer> my laptop system properies are; core 2 duo (2.2 Ghz), 3 GB Ram and 1 GB NVIDIA
[13:31] <mgolden_> jsawyer: If you're a developer, using Ubuntu is way preferable to Window
[13:31] <mgolden_> Way easier to get and install the software you need.
[13:31] <mgolden_> sudo apt-get install mysql, and it's there
[13:31] <jsawyer> i'm using Ubuntu before
[13:31] <mgolden_> Kubuntu vs Ubuntu (or others) is somewhat a matter of taste
[13:32] <hateball> jsawyer: as for system specs, should have no worries there regardless of DE
[13:32] <mgolden_> Some would say that Kubuntu is a bit more windows-like, so a bit closer to what you are used to
[13:32] <jsawyer> but unity is RAM monster
[13:32] <jsawyer> i want to PHP develop and record my screen
[13:33] <jsawyer> is KDE good choice for me?
[13:34] <hateball> jsawyer: You're the only one that can find that out
[13:34] <hateball> As for screenrecording, I personally prefer OBS Studio which is not in official repos, but found here https://obsproject.com/download
[13:35] <jsawyer> i asked that question for my system specs, is Kubuntu good choice for my laptop?
[13:35] <jsawyer> oh yeah! i see obs but my choice is kazam. it's very easy and speedy
[13:36] <hateball> Well, if you're going to run a DB-server and various services... I personally would prefer to have a machine with 8GB ram
[13:36] <hateball> but it all depends on the scope of things
[13:36] <hateball> Scale, even
[13:37] <hateball> chromium alone uses 3.5GB ram on my machine atm
[13:37] <jsawyer> hatebal: yeah! you're right.
[13:37] <hateball> but for *Kubuntu* your specs will work fine
[13:38] <jsawyer> oh my god! it's huge Ram usage o_O
[13:40] <mgolden_> It may be that chromium just uses as much ram as it can. It might not be a problem if you had less
[13:40] <mgolden_> 3Gb is not a lot of ram nowadays, but I think you'll be okay.
[13:40] <mgolden_> Worth trying out
[13:41] <mgolden_> Download Kubuntu onto a high-speed thumb drive and try it out
[13:42] <jsawyer> mgolden_ and hateball thanks alot for yours help
[13:42] <jsawyer> this chanel is the best for help, i see
[13:44] <hateball> jsawyer: It's probably best/easiest if you just install onto a machine and then check back if you have any problems
[13:44] <hateball> If things work just great, well then that's great
[13:45] <jsawyer> i used Debian (Wheezy and Jessy) before
[13:45] <jsawyer> Debian works perfect on my machine
[13:46] <jsawyer> but Ubuntu is not good choice, becase Ubuntu (unity-de) is ram monster
[13:46] <jsawyer> after i installed lubuntu
[13:46] <jsawyer> but lubuntu doesn't hibernate
[13:47] <jsawyer> lubuntu is very good but it doesn't sleep when i want
[13:47] <hateball> jsawyer: They all have the same kernel, which allows for hibernation if your hardware supports it
[13:47] <hateball> So it should work just fine regardless of DE
[13:48] <jsawyer> i think the problem is with my NVIDIA vard
[13:48] <jsawyer> *card
[13:53] <mgolden_> You may want to use the proprietary driver
[13:54] <jsawyer> yeah ok! i will try it after install Kubuntu
[13:54] <BluesKaj> jsawyer, which nvidia gpu?
[13:55] <jsawyer> NVIDA GT 240M
[13:55] <jsawyer> NVIDIA*
[14:06] <jsawyer> hey guys! this is my last question the i stop it
[14:07] <jsawyer> is there anyone use vim for web development (front-end & back-end)?
[14:10] <mgolden_> I don't, but I know others who did
[14:10] <syd> jsawyer: I use vim, but not for web development. What's your question?
[14:10] <mgolden_> If you're on kubuntu, try kate
[14:11] <hateball> jsawyer: kate has vim bindings, and syntax hilighting etc
[14:11] <jsawyer> syd, is vim good choice for web development? it's my question
[14:11] <hateball> whatever you're comfortable with using is a good choice :)
[14:12] <jsawyer> i tryed kate on windows, i think it's very good
[14:12] <syd> jsawyer: That really depends on your tastes. It has the advantage that it's everywhere, but you should really look at your workflow. If your ssh'ing to a server to make changes to a website, you're doing something wrong.
[14:12] <Dragnslcr> vim is never a good choice
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[14:13] <syd> Personally, I would recommend something like CodeLite for PHP stuff (although make sure you install the 10.x version by adding the CodeLite repo, as recommended on the CodeLite website).
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> But yes, Kate is very good for a relatively basic text editor
[14:13] <syd> With CodeLite you'll get code-completion etc...
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> There are a bunch of other full IDEs out there, but that isn't really a Kubuntu-specific question
[14:15] <jsawyer> Dragnslcr, please stop talking! Go and play in the sand!
[14:16] <jsawyer> syd, now i'm using sublime text 3 but i'm interested about vim
[14:19] <syd> It's good to know vim (at least how to do basic stuff) if you're going to be using Linux, but the learning curve can be steep, and it could hinder productivity if you use it as your primary IDE for development. As I mentioned above, you need to develop a solid workflow that's right for you. As Dragnslcr mentioned, this isn't really a Kubuntu specific topic.
[14:21] <jsawyer> hey thanx all you for helping!
[14:22] <jsawyer> i'm out!
[14:22] <syd> Good luck.
[15:54] <EvilRoey> hi
[15:54] <EvilRoey> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769366 <-- has there been any movement on this bug? zzsh doesnt' work
[17:14] <user|4303> hej
[18:46] <clivejo> EvilRoey: zssh is sync'ed from Debian
[18:47] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zssh no movement bar what looks to be a no change rebuild on 18th Sept 2016
[18:48] <EvilRoey> hmm
[18:49] <EvilRoey> so no one cares abotu this issue then
[18:49] <EvilRoey> I suppose no one uses zssh??
[18:49] <clivejo> what is the issue?
[18:49] <clivejo> there are no bugs in Ubuntu about it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zssh
[18:50] <clivejo> EvilRoey: it would appear the maintainer no longer cares about it - http://zssh.sourceforge.net/
[18:50] <clivejo> last release Sep 2003
[18:51] <EvilRoey> clivejo: thank you
[18:51] <clivejo> but whats the issue?
[18:55] <clivejo> EvilRoey: what is the issue with it?
[18:56] <clivejo> and what distro are you on?
[18:57] <EvilRoey> the isue is that I get that message between two current Kubuntu installations
[18:58] <clivejo> which two?
[18:58] <EvilRoey> this one that I'm on and my one at home
[18:58] <clivejo> xenial and yakkety?
[18:58] <EvilRoey> they're both Yakkety
[18:58] <EvilRoey> and I had the same issue with Xenial as well