[06:29] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey sebsebseb 
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> tested 17.10 yet sebsebseb ?
[06:30] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: nope have you?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: ill wait until alpha2 so gnome will be there
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: then help bugging out
[06:31] <sebsebseb> yeah thats what I was thinking probably no gnome shell in there yet
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: until alpha2 it will stay on unity7
[06:31] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: I am testing a unity gnome theme in 16.10
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: join #ubuntu-discuss and imgur your desktop theme?
[06:34] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: one that can also do a nice windows theme, and a basic mac os x.  some random script omgubuntu mentioned. uhmm testing random scripts from the Internet that doesnt seem particulary secure? uhmm yeah! but this one seems ok
[06:34] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: no  need just look on omgubuntu
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: ah yeah, saw that script article
[06:34] <sebsebseb> the dock/dash isnt that great
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: found this on deviant also: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-677149963
[06:36] <sebsebseb> but at least it turned firefox with whatever default black theme, which looks horrible in ubuntu gnome, to grey thats better
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: lets make gnome better by bugging it out to the max :p
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> thats my plan for sure
[06:36] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: yeah not done theming stuff for ages, but thought would try script
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> i tested gnome-shell on my xenial laptop
[06:37] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: I think switching to gnome is wrong move
[06:37] <sebsebseb> unity is quite established now
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> same here..but what can we do sebsebseb ?
[06:39] <sebsebseb> uhmm 16.04 untill 2021 h eh or try unity 8 from universe  repos, but some programs might not look quite right
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: so i hear unity7 will still be installable from the official repos
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> but if they wont work on it much..there's no point to continue right
[06:39] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: for GNOME Shelll I would usually use another distro
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: well we dont know yet how it will look vanilla on ubuntu, perhaps theyl add improvements
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-3-26-desktop-environment-to-offer-todoist-integration-quarter-tiling-515200.shtml
[06:41] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: despite all the flak it got from various vocal online people over the years, Unity gave people a real reason to use Ubuntu, and thats both unity 7 and 8
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> thats my opinion also
[06:41] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: also if more fan boys reolised and then could accept, that in 16.10b
[06:41] <sebsebseb> and 17.04
[06:42] <sebsebseb> the Unity 8 is JUST A PREVIEW
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> the ubports guys will work on unity8 still
[06:43] <sebsebseb> need other programs in there snaps or whatever like the Ubuntu tablet and phone to make much more usuable
[06:45] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: its asahame my ubuntu tablet is away for repair with a guy i know since some screen cracks, but its also ashame that it isnt going to be so simple to repair, since how BQ have attached certain hardware components together
[06:46] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: might end up buying a second hand one later on as a result
[06:46] <sebsebseb> dont know yet
[06:47] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: theres two Unity 8 forks actually yes two
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: lets c what the future brings us right :p
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: join #ubuntu-discuss mate, we all hang there
[07:07] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: I am waiting for another distro to finally release its 6th version after over a year, but hey its a 100% community distro, all volunters, no commercial sponser, and reasonabbly small community, so
[07:07] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: but the GNOME will be recent so :)
[07:08] <sebsebseb> but I guess may start using that more again once that
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> sounds cool
[07:11] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: been using unity 7 on computer  usuallly when using for about two years, well got a bit bored of gnome 3 gnome shell so.  and the bq 4.5 ubunu phone was a short lived daily driver, snce the mx 4 became one as well. later a ubuntu m10 hd tablet as well
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: i got unity on all my machines, touch on my bq 4.5 and nexus7
[07:13] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: yes certain people actually use ubuntu touch as a daily driver. and you saw what i had to say about desktop previwes above, but yes convergence seemed like a good idea to, so despite also having gnome shell as a favourite, you can see why i am beng quite hmm to it switching  to that
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> same here
[07:14] <sebsebseb> and they wanted to make money,, but unity 7 and 8 were  also inovation
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: i wonder how gnome 18.04 will look on a x86 tablet?
[07:15] <sebsebseb> i remember when things were mostly about gnome 2 and kde 3/4 all a bit boring really, but then along came gnome 3 gnome shelll and unity
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> i liked gnome2 lightweight
[07:16] <sebsebseb> yeah gnome 2 was good
[07:16] <sebsebseb> so I like mate as well :)
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> now gnome3 feels bit laggy, sluggish
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: tested mate on my xenial, not really fan of it either
[07:17] <sebsebseb> never really liked xfce or lxde much, seemmed gnome 2 could do more, plus more used to it, simce both fedora and ubuntu used
[07:18] <sebsebseb> xfce was around firstt though
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu 16.04 is pretty nice
[07:18] <sebsebseb> it dates back to like 1996 i think
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> one of the best lubuntu's ever
[07:18] <sebsebseb> and cinnamon uh no
[07:18] <sebsebseb> mate is good for light waight or classic style
[07:20] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: unity tighed people to ubuntu, as of 17.10 well it will much less
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: you know whats the problem, unity works right out of the box
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> sebsebseb: all others i tested...needs alot of tuning
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> unworkable by default
[07:21] <sebsebseb> its easy to use and works well, thats unity 7, but also 8 on phone and tablet
[07:22] <sebsebseb> the desktop reviews were a bit too much like a preview of 8, which may have been a problem there, since the fan boys, wont just put in there own stuff to that
[07:23] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: as a interface I love unity 8 on phone and tablet though
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:23] <sebsebseb> previews not reviews
[07:24] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: well at least the 17.04 vesion of 8 works in virtualbox, so if you want to then remember what ccould have been, there you go
[07:25] <sebsebseb> 16.10 version of unty 8 does not unfirtunatly
[07:26] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: actually i read a good article about the so called failure
[07:26] <sebsebseb> lets try and find that for you
[07:27] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3192311/linux/lessons-learned-from-the-failure-of-ubuntu-touch.html
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive read that1, good article
[07:30] <sebsebseb> lotuspsychje: indeed  it is
[08:00] <valorie> well, halium project might help with that in a big way