[09:33] <immu> hi
[09:44] <immu> i wanted to ask is it ok to install gnome along with unity? from a upgrade point of view
[13:39] <rfleming> Greetings!
[13:44] <immu> greetings
[13:57] <rfleming> How goes it?
[13:57] <rfleming> ... and how do I get GNOME to turn off my displays at lock? :)
[14:24] <dsynapse> greetings
[14:59] <dsynapse> rfleming:  I dont' have gnome up right now (at work) but I want to say that's in the screensaver settings?
[14:59] <dsynapse> or power saving settings
[17:04] <rfleming> Greetings!
[17:05] <rfleming> Is the nautilus that ships with Ubuntu-GNOME 17.04 different from the one in Debian Stretch?
[17:05] <rfleming> What I mean is in terms of hard-coded configuration, not version
[17:06] <rfleming> most specifically with regards to context menus
[17:09] <jbicha> yes, Ubuntu's Nautilus is different but could you be more specific?
[17:10] <rfleming> Yeah.  Under Ubuntu, pressing the 3-dot context menu brings up... you know what?  Let me make some screen captures
[17:11] <jbicha> Ubuntu does not customize that menu
[17:14] <rfleming> http://imgur.com/a/wEP35
[17:15] <rfleming> On Debian, the view mode just toggles the view from list to icon.
[17:15] <jbicha> that's because stretch has a newer version of nautilus than 17.04
[17:16] <rfleming> Aaaah
[17:16] <rfleming> I completely forgot to look at that
[17:16] <jbicha> 17.10 will get the newer version
[17:17] <rfleming> how 'usable' are the daily builds? :)
[17:18] <jbicha> how good are you at fixing your Ubuntu when it breaks? have you run Ubuntu betas before?
[17:18] <rfleming> yeah
[17:18] <rfleming> just not with GNOME...
[17:18] <rfleming> I'm an XFCE convert
[17:18] <rfleming> I got used to the Windows 10 workflow at work, and XFCE was found wanting
[17:19] <jbicha> of course, this will be a more disruptive development cycle than normal but if you don't mind fixing your computer and reinstalling if things break, then you're welcome to try it out
[17:19] <rfleming> I'll think about it.  Maybe run in a VM
[17:20] <jbicha> I recommend you make sure that you do not have proposed updates enabled
[17:20] <jbicha> if you want to run the development version of Ubuntu
[17:20] <rfleming> good thinking 99
[17:20] <jbicha> personally, I am still on 17.04 and have 17.10 in a VM so that I can verify 17.04 Stable Release Updates easier
[17:21] <jbicha> but several people do run the development versions continuously as a sort of rolling release
[17:21] <rfleming> I'm still teeter-tottering between Debian and Ubuntu :)
[17:21] <rfleming> at least I have GNOME worked out
[17:22] <jbicha> a lot of the GNOME packaging is shared between Debian and Ubuntu
[17:22] <rfleming> So how is the change from Ubuntu-GNOME to just Ubuntu going to work?
[17:22] <rfleming> I know you guys pride yourselves on a 'pure' experience.  What's the main group going to do for customisations?
[17:23] <jbicha> basically Ubuntu will get gnome-shell and drop Unity in the next month or two
[17:23] <jbicha> decisions about specific apps, customizations, theming haven't really been made yet
[17:24] <rfleming> hopefully consideration will be made this time about what people want in their DE and not force something unchangeable down the throats
[17:25]  * rfleming isn't interested in having specialized versions of software that deviate from developer design plans
[17:25] <jbicha> I don't think anything is being forced anywhere
[17:25] <jbicha> people don't all want the same thing
[17:25] <rfleming> I understand completely :)
[17:27] <jbicha> I mean Unity is not being actively developed now so it's a problem for those who really liked Unity but there are more choices now than there were in the GNOME 2 days
[17:28] <rfleming> I liked Budgie, it was modern, but simple.  Will be interesting to see where they go moving to QT libs
[17:28] <rfleming> it is modern
[17:28] <rfleming> used was because I stopped using it. :)
[17:29] <rfleming> I'm just settling into GNOME and working out little niggles here and there.
[21:39] <rfleming> is anyone having issues with GNOME and NVidia drivers where the displays aren't going to sleep on lock?  With the nouveau driver they turn off...