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cyphermoxyay meeting!15:04
tdaitxhmm, steve is away?15:05
* xnox wonders if i can reboot back into applying windows updates15:09
cyphermoxlet's have the meeting anyway?15:13
rbalinti would love to talk about reviewing the current Ubuntu delta for packages15:13
infinitycyphermox: Is that you volunterring to run it?15:13
cyphermoxyeah15:13
cyphermox#startmeeting foundations15:13
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Apr 27 15:13:25 2017 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:13
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bdmurrayhooray for cyphermox15:13
cyphermoxecho $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson rbalint)15:13
cyphermoxrobru caribou sil2100 bdmurray rbalint tdaitx infinity chiluk barry slangasek doko mwhudson xnox cyphermox15:14
cyphermoxmaybe this list is out of date.15:14
sil2100Yeah15:14
bdmurray:-(15:14
cyphermox:(15:14
tdaitxdamn =(15:14
cyphermoxsil2100: you go15:14
sil2100Need to find my list15:14
caribouyeah, just dropped by to say hi :)15:14
sil2100caribou: hey ;)15:14
sil2100- Bileto:15:14
sil2100  * Forced clearing the lru_cache for Bileto to enable artful15:14
sil2100  * Looked into missing GPG key errors, filled RT, helped resolve with webops15:14
sil2100- ubuntu-image:15:14
sil2100  * Helping out in debugging broken github PR test result reporting, filled RT15:14
sil2100  * Filled RT for upload rights for snap15:14
sil2100  * Prepared existing branches for merging15:14
sil2100  * Started work on the hook mechanism - planning and experimental phase15:15
sil2100- Kernel SRUs15:15
cyphermoxhey caribou!15:15
sil2100- Regular SRU reviews15:15
sil2100- Cleanup on uvp-monitor test packages, reading up on xenstore - first builds15:15
sil2100- DMB meeting15:15
sil2100- walinuxagent published to -proposed, waiting for SRU validation15:15
sil2100(done)15:15
bdmurrayWrote up test case for LP: #167654715:15
bdmurrayFoundations infrastructure meeting15:15
bdmurrayDiscussed an approach to get Package info on ubuntu core15:15
bdmurrayStarted work on having Package written client side15:15
bdmurrayModified snapport to have apport.cli command not apport.apport-cli15:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1676547 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No network connectivity after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/167654715:15
bdmurrayUpdated StableReleaseUpdates wiki page re: dev release being closed15:15
bdmurrayadded artful to errors, daisy code15:15
bdmurrayadded artful to lp-retracer-config, updated osageorange15:15
bdmurrayupdated u-r-u for artful, uploaded it15:15
bdmurrayupdated meta-release-development for artful, updated server15:15
bdmurrayreported / investigated u-r-u bug LP: #168611715:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1686117 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "upgrade from Zesty to Artful fails if done in text mode" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168611715:15
bdmurrayadded artful to the official bug tags15:16
bdmurrayresolved issue with daisy not cleaning up core files (LP: #1686135)15:16
bdmurraysubmitted RT regarding updating daisy in staging w/ core file fix15:16
bdmurraytested update of daisy in staging, submitted RT for production15:16
bdmurrayfoundations bug triage15:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1686135 in Daisy "retracer.py doesn't clean up core files when choosing not to retrace some crashes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168613515:16
bdmurrayirc discussion re LP: #1681231 and LP: #1676547 (using -security for upgrades)15:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1681231 in cracklib2 (Ubuntu Zesty) "package cracklib-runtime 2.9.2-3 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving triggers unprocessed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168123115:16
bdmurrayinvestigation into LP: #1682934 re local python3 and upgrade failure15:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1682934 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "python3 in /usr/local/bin can cause python3 packages to fail to install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168293415:16
bdmurray✔ done15:16
rbalint* Finished my core-dev application15:16
rbalint* Prepared unminimize script, under review:15:16
rbalint  https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/livecd-rootfs/minimize-unminimize/+merge/32315715:16
rbalint* Started checking each package with delta in main and noticed that Ubuntu history15:16
rbalint  is not available anymore in bzr: LP: #168610015:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1686100 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide " bzr branch ubuntu:hello stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168610015:16
rbalint* Packaging guide also lists gone lintian result server: LP: #168609615:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1686096 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide " http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org is down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168609615:16
rbalint* grab-merge with also geting Debian's packaging repo/source with dgit works nicely for packages not in usd-importer yet15:16
rbalint* Sent Ubuntu deltas to Debian:15:16
rbalint  main-menu #86123715:16
rbalint  libdebian-installer #86124115:17
rbalint  cdrom-detect #86130015:17
rbalint* Proposed fix for MoM to let people find the comment box to fill15:17
rbalint  LP: #168664015:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1686640 in Merge-o-Matic "Please make the comment textbox visible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168664015:17
rbalint* I would like to go through the page and provide Debian bug numbers for the forwarded delta or an explanation for not forwarding all of it15:17
rbalinteof15:17
tdaitxShort week: holiday on Friday15:17
tdaitx= JCK15:17
tdaitx  * Waiting on 8u13115:17
tdaitx= OpenJDK15:17
tdaitx  * No more test regressions15:17
tdaitx  * Preparing package for the security team15:17
tdaitx  * Backporting patches to OpenJDK 715:17
tdaitx= Other15:17
tdaitx  * National strike on Friday, I will be working15:17
tdaitx  * Yet another holiday on Monday, I might decide to swap it15:17
tdaitx(done)15:17
infinity * Archive opening for Artful:15:18
infinity   - toolchain mangling15:18
infinity   - dpkg/debhelper merges15:18
infinity   - open archive15:18
infinity   - update cdimage, debian-cd, snakefruit, etc for artful15:18
infinity   - update d-i15:18
infinity   - enable image builds15:18
infinity * snakefruit and nusakan upgrades to xenial15:18
infinity * investigate LP: #168293415:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1682934 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "python3 in /usr/local/bin can cause python3 packages to fail to install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168293415:18
infinity * Misc SRU/AA bits15:18
infinity * On vacation all next week \o/15:18
infinity(done)15:18
gaugheno/15:19
sil2100\o15:19
tdaitxo/15:19
xnoxis it me?15:20
tdaitxyeah15:20
cyphermoxdoko isn't here?15:20
gaughenonly you know if it is you, xnox15:20
cyphermoxoh yeah15:20
xnoxcloud images for onmetal fun15:20
xnoxapt timers bug fun15:20
xnoxwsl fun15:20
xnoxupstart removal fun15:20
xnoxopen-vm-tools sru fun15:20
xnoxsystemd artful & sru fun15:20
xnox...15:20
tdaitxoh, fun status, yay!15:20
cyphermoxMIR:15:20
cyphermox - review gjs and mozjs38 (both for GNOME Shell)15:20
cyphermoxnetplan:15:20
cyphermox - merging and testing rharper's MTU work15:20
cyphermoxgrub2:15:20
cyphermox - reworking fbx64.efi's installation process / location15:20
cyphermox - handle upgrade / moving fbx64.efi15:20
cyphermox - install to /EFI/BOOT too (reworking a patch from Debian)15:21
cyphermox - ship BOOTX64.CSV (fallback instructions) to rebuild BootOrder.15:21
cyphermoxd-i:15:21
cyphermox - starting d-i merges: installation-report, tzsetup.15:21
cyphermox - coordinating merges with rbalint.15:21
cyphermoxshim / fwupdate:15:21
cyphermox - some discussion about signtool.exe being broken (would break new shim signatures from MS)15:21
cyphermox - coordinating fwupdate updates to Yakkety and Xenial.15:21
cyphermox(done)15:21
cyphermoxthat's it for the lightning rounds subtopic I forgot to start.15:21
cyphermox#subtopic AOB15:21
cyphermoxerr15:21
cyphermoxany AOB anyway?15:22
rbalintsorry, what is AOB?15:22
cyphermox[TOPIC] AOB15:22
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cyphermoxany other business?15:22
cyphermoxother random stuff we need to talk about15:23
rbalintoh, I would like to ask how we should coordinate visiting all the packages with delta15:23
rbalinti would happily go through each of them15:23
cyphermoxwhat do you mean by how to coordinate?15:23
rbalintshould I ping the last uploader before i check each package?15:24
bdmurrayrbalint: There's an easy u-r-u bug if you want to have a look.15:24
rbalintbdmurray: ok, i'll check that too, but looking forward15:24
cyphermoxmy understanding was that one should ping the last uploader listed on merges.u.c and make sure before claiming a merge15:25
nacc[lurking, not on foundations, but what cyphermox said was what i was told as well]15:26
cyphermoxpartly because some may *look* easy, but aren't, and missing some bit in a merge because it looks like it's not needed can break things.15:26
rbalintok, then probably i'll ping owners of a block of 20 packages then i'll process them next day as i get green light15:28
rbalintif that's ok15:28
bdmurrayCan I stop reviewing Precise SRUs?15:29
xnoxno15:29
xnoxlol =)15:29
cyphermoxrbalint: I think I can already give you green light for any d-i package I was the last to touch; but don't hesitate to ask questions if something isn't obvious15:29
cyphermoxanything else?15:29
rbalintcyphermox: thanks15:30
bdmurraycyphermox: Is that X to Y upgrade verified?15:30
cyphermoxbdmurray: yes.15:30
cyphermoxI'll go update the bug15:31
cyphermoxthat's all for the meeting I guess15:31
cyphermox#endmeeting15:31
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Apr 27 15:31:19 2017 UTC.15:31
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-27-15.13.moin.txt15:31
sil2100o/15:32
sil2100Thanks cyphermox !15:32
infinityrbalint: Some of these deltas forwarded to Debian don't make much sense.15:32
rbalintinfinity: which one?15:32
infinityrbalint: Well, cdrom-detect is the first one I looked at, and you're forwarding deltas that change Debian to Ubuntu. :P15:33
cyphermoxinfinity: I looked too, but it's confusing, it's a patch of a patch.15:33
rbalintinfinity: it is applied conditionally15:33
naccrbalint: also, i assume you'd check any notes at https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html or otherwise15:34
infinityrbalint: It... Is?15:34
rbalintnacc: sure15:34
cyphermox+ifeq (yes,$(shell dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu && echo yes))15:35
cyphermox+patch -p1 < $(CURDIR)/debian/patches/ubuntu-installer.patch15:35
cyphermox+endif15:35
infinityOh, gross.15:35
cyphermoxthere is that15:35
cyphermoxI wonder if it's not better to just keep delta for that.15:35
infinityrbalint: I'd really rather keep deltas than introduce patch systems for native packages. :P15:35
infinityrbalint: And deltas like this are ones we need to touch regularly anyway, there's no value in pushing them back to Debian.15:36
rbalintcyphermox: i think accepting syncs is way easier than merging15:36
cyphermoxrbalint: it's not "really" going to be easier for the regular "new release is named XYZ" process15:37
infinityRight, for a new release, I'm not going to push to Debian and sync.15:37
infinityThat's a delay I can't be bothered with.15:37
cyphermoxyou still need to touch the package, so that you're adding a step15:37
infinitySo we'll get a delta every 6 months on that hunk.15:37
infinityrbalint: So, perhaps this answers your other question, yes you should ask the "owner" of the delta before forwarding it. :P15:38
rbalintinfinity: ok15:39
infinityrbalint: In some cases, it really is less hassle to maintain a small delta than to shift to maintaining a dpkg-vendor delta in Debian via bug reports.15:40
infinityrbalint: In other cases, we intentionally carry a delta to gate flow into Ubuntu (dpkg and debhelper come to mind here, I could reduce both to 0, and I won't)15:40
cyphermoxinfinity: not really maintaining via bug reports though15:40
infinitycyphermox: For d-i, sure, I can commit.  That's not true of everything.15:41
cyphermoxI think we (you, me, maybe rbalit too)15:41
cyphermoxyeah, for d-i15:41
infinitycyphermox: I can upload everything because DD, but Debian doesn't have the same weak maintainership policy and people aren't generally happy with you uploading their stuff. :P15:41
cyphermoxdefinitely not true for everything, but it's not as much as issue for non d-i.15:41
cyphermoxno, I know that15:41
cyphermoxI meant specifically for d-i where we can already commit to the tree; and it's more likely to get such branding issues15:42
cyphermoxI don't expect to see much branding or "totally not applicable to debian" changes in say, miniupnpc, to pick something randomly.15:42
rbalintinfinity: not pushing changing Ubuntu codenames makes sense15:43
rbalintinfinity: i think if Debian's maintainter accepts the vendor-based changes they can be offered15:44
cyphermoxrbalint: it's also about using a custom patch system on a native package... which *is* quite yucky15:44
rbalintrbalint: i gladly merged raspbian changes15:44
infinityVery.15:44
infinityI think adding a patch system to d-i packages is a non-starter for me.15:45
cyphermoxperhaps for branding (not release names), it could be argued that proper application of db_subst in the templates could do a better job.15:45
rbalintinfinity: ok15:45
rbalint.in file processing would be a no-go, too?15:46
infinityIt's a lot of added complexity to a package you're not maintaining. :P15:46
infinityrbalint: I understand that you find it's less hassle for you to sync instead of merge, but if no one's asking you to do either of those things...15:46
rbalintok, won't push for pushing15:59
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