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infinity | o/ | 15:00 |
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sil2100 | o/ | 15:01 |
cyphermox | o/ | 15:04 |
rbalint | o/ | 15:04 |
cyphermox | yay meeting! | 15:04 |
tdaitx | hmm, steve is away? | 15:05 |
* xnox wonders if i can reboot back into applying windows updates | 15:09 | |
cyphermox | let's have the meeting anyway? | 15:13 |
rbalint | i would love to talk about reviewing the current Ubuntu delta for packages | 15:13 |
infinity | cyphermox: Is that you volunterring to run it? | 15:13 |
cyphermox | yeah | 15:13 |
cyphermox | #startmeeting foundations | 15:13 |
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bdmurray | hooray for cyphermox | 15:13 |
cyphermox | echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson rbalint) | 15:13 |
cyphermox | robru caribou sil2100 bdmurray rbalint tdaitx infinity chiluk barry slangasek doko mwhudson xnox cyphermox | 15:14 |
cyphermox | maybe this list is out of date. | 15:14 |
sil2100 | Yeah | 15:14 |
bdmurray | :-( | 15:14 |
cyphermox | :( | 15:14 |
tdaitx | damn =( | 15:14 |
cyphermox | sil2100: you go | 15:14 |
sil2100 | Need to find my list | 15:14 |
caribou | yeah, just dropped by to say hi :) | 15:14 |
sil2100 | caribou: hey ;) | 15:14 |
sil2100 | - Bileto: | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Forced clearing the lru_cache for Bileto to enable artful | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Looked into missing GPG key errors, filled RT, helped resolve with webops | 15:14 |
sil2100 | - ubuntu-image: | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Helping out in debugging broken github PR test result reporting, filled RT | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Filled RT for upload rights for snap | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Prepared existing branches for merging | 15:14 |
sil2100 | * Started work on the hook mechanism - planning and experimental phase | 15:15 |
sil2100 | - Kernel SRUs | 15:15 |
cyphermox | hey caribou! | 15:15 |
sil2100 | - Regular SRU reviews | 15:15 |
sil2100 | - Cleanup on uvp-monitor test packages, reading up on xenstore - first builds | 15:15 |
sil2100 | - DMB meeting | 15:15 |
sil2100 | - walinuxagent published to -proposed, waiting for SRU validation | 15:15 |
sil2100 | (done) | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Wrote up test case for LP: #1676547 | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Foundations infrastructure meeting | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Discussed an approach to get Package info on ubuntu core | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Started work on having Package written client side | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Modified snapport to have apport.cli command not apport.apport-cli | 15:15 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1676547 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No network connectivity after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676547 | 15:15 |
bdmurray | Updated StableReleaseUpdates wiki page re: dev release being closed | 15:15 |
bdmurray | added artful to errors, daisy code | 15:15 |
bdmurray | added artful to lp-retracer-config, updated osageorange | 15:15 |
bdmurray | updated u-r-u for artful, uploaded it | 15:15 |
bdmurray | updated meta-release-development for artful, updated server | 15:15 |
bdmurray | reported / investigated u-r-u bug LP: #1686117 | 15:15 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1686117 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "upgrade from Zesty to Artful fails if done in text mode" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686117 | 15:15 |
bdmurray | added artful to the official bug tags | 15:16 |
bdmurray | resolved issue with daisy not cleaning up core files (LP: #1686135) | 15:16 |
bdmurray | submitted RT regarding updating daisy in staging w/ core file fix | 15:16 |
bdmurray | tested update of daisy in staging, submitted RT for production | 15:16 |
bdmurray | foundations bug triage | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1686135 in Daisy "retracer.py doesn't clean up core files when choosing not to retrace some crashes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686135 | 15:16 |
bdmurray | irc discussion re LP: #1681231 and LP: #1676547 (using -security for upgrades) | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1681231 in cracklib2 (Ubuntu Zesty) "package cracklib-runtime 2.9.2-3 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving triggers unprocessed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681231 | 15:16 |
bdmurray | investigation into LP: #1682934 re local python3 and upgrade failure | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1682934 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "python3 in /usr/local/bin can cause python3 packages to fail to install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682934 | 15:16 |
bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:16 |
rbalint | * Finished my core-dev application | 15:16 |
rbalint | * Prepared unminimize script, under review: | 15:16 |
rbalint | https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/livecd-rootfs/minimize-unminimize/+merge/323157 | 15:16 |
rbalint | * Started checking each package with delta in main and noticed that Ubuntu history | 15:16 |
rbalint | is not available anymore in bzr: LP: #1686100 | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1686100 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide " bzr branch ubuntu:hello stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686100 | 15:16 |
rbalint | * Packaging guide also lists gone lintian result server: LP: #1686096 | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1686096 in Ubuntu Packaging Guide " http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org is down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686096 | 15:16 |
rbalint | * grab-merge with also geting Debian's packaging repo/source with dgit works nicely for packages not in usd-importer yet | 15:16 |
rbalint | * Sent Ubuntu deltas to Debian: | 15:16 |
rbalint | main-menu #861237 | 15:16 |
rbalint | libdebian-installer #861241 | 15:17 |
rbalint | cdrom-detect #861300 | 15:17 |
rbalint | * Proposed fix for MoM to let people find the comment box to fill | 15:17 |
rbalint | LP: #1686640 | 15:17 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1686640 in Merge-o-Matic "Please make the comment textbox visible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686640 | 15:17 |
rbalint | * I would like to go through the page and provide Debian bug numbers for the forwarded delta or an explanation for not forwarding all of it | 15:17 |
rbalint | eof | 15:17 |
tdaitx | Short week: holiday on Friday | 15:17 |
tdaitx | = JCK | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * Waiting on 8u131 | 15:17 |
tdaitx | = OpenJDK | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * No more test regressions | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * Preparing package for the security team | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * Backporting patches to OpenJDK 7 | 15:17 |
tdaitx | = Other | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * National strike on Friday, I will be working | 15:17 |
tdaitx | * Yet another holiday on Monday, I might decide to swap it | 15:17 |
tdaitx | (done) | 15:17 |
infinity | * Archive opening for Artful: | 15:18 |
infinity | - toolchain mangling | 15:18 |
infinity | - dpkg/debhelper merges | 15:18 |
infinity | - open archive | 15:18 |
infinity | - update cdimage, debian-cd, snakefruit, etc for artful | 15:18 |
infinity | - update d-i | 15:18 |
infinity | - enable image builds | 15:18 |
infinity | * snakefruit and nusakan upgrades to xenial | 15:18 |
infinity | * investigate LP: #1682934 | 15:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1682934 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "python3 in /usr/local/bin can cause python3 packages to fail to install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682934 | 15:18 |
infinity | * Misc SRU/AA bits | 15:18 |
infinity | * On vacation all next week \o/ | 15:18 |
infinity | (done) | 15:18 |
gaughen | o/ | 15:19 |
sil2100 | \o | 15:19 |
tdaitx | o/ | 15:19 |
xnox | is it me? | 15:20 |
tdaitx | yeah | 15:20 |
cyphermox | doko isn't here? | 15:20 |
gaughen | only you know if it is you, xnox | 15:20 |
cyphermox | oh yeah | 15:20 |
xnox | cloud images for onmetal fun | 15:20 |
xnox | apt timers bug fun | 15:20 |
xnox | wsl fun | 15:20 |
xnox | upstart removal fun | 15:20 |
xnox | open-vm-tools sru fun | 15:20 |
xnox | systemd artful & sru fun | 15:20 |
xnox | ... | 15:20 |
tdaitx | oh, fun status, yay! | 15:20 |
cyphermox | MIR: | 15:20 |
cyphermox | - review gjs and mozjs38 (both for GNOME Shell) | 15:20 |
cyphermox | netplan: | 15:20 |
cyphermox | - merging and testing rharper's MTU work | 15:20 |
cyphermox | grub2: | 15:20 |
cyphermox | - reworking fbx64.efi's installation process / location | 15:20 |
cyphermox | - handle upgrade / moving fbx64.efi | 15:20 |
cyphermox | - install to /EFI/BOOT too (reworking a patch from Debian) | 15:21 |
cyphermox | - ship BOOTX64.CSV (fallback instructions) to rebuild BootOrder. | 15:21 |
cyphermox | d-i: | 15:21 |
cyphermox | - starting d-i merges: installation-report, tzsetup. | 15:21 |
cyphermox | - coordinating merges with rbalint. | 15:21 |
cyphermox | shim / fwupdate: | 15:21 |
cyphermox | - some discussion about signtool.exe being broken (would break new shim signatures from MS) | 15:21 |
cyphermox | - coordinating fwupdate updates to Yakkety and Xenial. | 15:21 |
cyphermox | (done) | 15:21 |
cyphermox | that's it for the lightning rounds subtopic I forgot to start. | 15:21 |
cyphermox | #subtopic AOB | 15:21 |
cyphermox | err | 15:21 |
cyphermox | any AOB anyway? | 15:22 |
rbalint | sorry, what is AOB? | 15:22 |
cyphermox | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:22 |
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cyphermox | any other business? | 15:22 |
cyphermox | other random stuff we need to talk about | 15:23 |
rbalint | oh, I would like to ask how we should coordinate visiting all the packages with delta | 15:23 |
rbalint | i would happily go through each of them | 15:23 |
cyphermox | what do you mean by how to coordinate? | 15:23 |
rbalint | should I ping the last uploader before i check each package? | 15:24 |
bdmurray | rbalint: There's an easy u-r-u bug if you want to have a look. | 15:24 |
rbalint | bdmurray: ok, i'll check that too, but looking forward | 15:24 |
cyphermox | my understanding was that one should ping the last uploader listed on merges.u.c and make sure before claiming a merge | 15:25 |
nacc | [lurking, not on foundations, but what cyphermox said was what i was told as well] | 15:26 |
cyphermox | partly because some may *look* easy, but aren't, and missing some bit in a merge because it looks like it's not needed can break things. | 15:26 |
rbalint | ok, then probably i'll ping owners of a block of 20 packages then i'll process them next day as i get green light | 15:28 |
rbalint | if that's ok | 15:28 |
bdmurray | Can I stop reviewing Precise SRUs? | 15:29 |
xnox | no | 15:29 |
xnox | lol =) | 15:29 |
cyphermox | rbalint: I think I can already give you green light for any d-i package I was the last to touch; but don't hesitate to ask questions if something isn't obvious | 15:29 |
cyphermox | anything else? | 15:29 |
rbalint | cyphermox: thanks | 15:30 |
bdmurray | cyphermox: Is that X to Y upgrade verified? | 15:30 |
cyphermox | bdmurray: yes. | 15:30 |
cyphermox | I'll go update the bug | 15:31 |
cyphermox | that's all for the meeting I guess | 15:31 |
cyphermox | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 15:31:19 2017 UTC. | 15:31 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-27-15.13.moin.txt | 15:31 |
sil2100 | o/ | 15:32 |
sil2100 | Thanks cyphermox ! | 15:32 |
infinity | rbalint: Some of these deltas forwarded to Debian don't make much sense. | 15:32 |
rbalint | infinity: which one? | 15:32 |
infinity | rbalint: Well, cdrom-detect is the first one I looked at, and you're forwarding deltas that change Debian to Ubuntu. :P | 15:33 |
cyphermox | infinity: I looked too, but it's confusing, it's a patch of a patch. | 15:33 |
rbalint | infinity: it is applied conditionally | 15:33 |
nacc | rbalint: also, i assume you'd check any notes at https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html or otherwise | 15:34 |
infinity | rbalint: It... Is? | 15:34 |
rbalint | nacc: sure | 15:34 |
cyphermox | +ifeq (yes,$(shell dpkg-vendor --derives-from Ubuntu && echo yes)) | 15:35 |
cyphermox | +patch -p1 < $(CURDIR)/debian/patches/ubuntu-installer.patch | 15:35 |
cyphermox | +endif | 15:35 |
infinity | Oh, gross. | 15:35 |
cyphermox | there is that | 15:35 |
cyphermox | I wonder if it's not better to just keep delta for that. | 15:35 |
infinity | rbalint: I'd really rather keep deltas than introduce patch systems for native packages. :P | 15:35 |
infinity | rbalint: And deltas like this are ones we need to touch regularly anyway, there's no value in pushing them back to Debian. | 15:36 |
rbalint | cyphermox: i think accepting syncs is way easier than merging | 15:36 |
cyphermox | rbalint: it's not "really" going to be easier for the regular "new release is named XYZ" process | 15:37 |
infinity | Right, for a new release, I'm not going to push to Debian and sync. | 15:37 |
infinity | That's a delay I can't be bothered with. | 15:37 |
cyphermox | you still need to touch the package, so that you're adding a step | 15:37 |
infinity | So we'll get a delta every 6 months on that hunk. | 15:37 |
infinity | rbalint: So, perhaps this answers your other question, yes you should ask the "owner" of the delta before forwarding it. :P | 15:38 |
rbalint | infinity: ok | 15:39 |
infinity | rbalint: In some cases, it really is less hassle to maintain a small delta than to shift to maintaining a dpkg-vendor delta in Debian via bug reports. | 15:40 |
infinity | rbalint: In other cases, we intentionally carry a delta to gate flow into Ubuntu (dpkg and debhelper come to mind here, I could reduce both to 0, and I won't) | 15:40 |
cyphermox | infinity: not really maintaining via bug reports though | 15:40 |
infinity | cyphermox: For d-i, sure, I can commit. That's not true of everything. | 15:41 |
cyphermox | I think we (you, me, maybe rbalit too) | 15:41 |
cyphermox | yeah, for d-i | 15:41 |
infinity | cyphermox: I can upload everything because DD, but Debian doesn't have the same weak maintainership policy and people aren't generally happy with you uploading their stuff. :P | 15:41 |
cyphermox | definitely not true for everything, but it's not as much as issue for non d-i. | 15:41 |
cyphermox | no, I know that | 15:41 |
cyphermox | I meant specifically for d-i where we can already commit to the tree; and it's more likely to get such branding issues | 15:42 |
cyphermox | I don't expect to see much branding or "totally not applicable to debian" changes in say, miniupnpc, to pick something randomly. | 15:42 |
rbalint | infinity: not pushing changing Ubuntu codenames makes sense | 15:43 |
rbalint | infinity: i think if Debian's maintainter accepts the vendor-based changes they can be offered | 15:44 |
cyphermox | rbalint: it's also about using a custom patch system on a native package... which *is* quite yucky | 15:44 |
rbalint | rbalint: i gladly merged raspbian changes | 15:44 |
infinity | Very. | 15:44 |
infinity | I think adding a patch system to d-i packages is a non-starter for me. | 15:45 |
cyphermox | perhaps for branding (not release names), it could be argued that proper application of db_subst in the templates could do a better job. | 15:45 |
rbalint | infinity: ok | 15:45 |
rbalint | .in file processing would be a no-go, too? | 15:46 |
infinity | It's a lot of added complexity to a package you're not maintaining. :P | 15:46 |
infinity | rbalint: I understand that you find it's less hassle for you to sync instead of merge, but if no one's asking you to do either of those things... | 15:46 |
rbalint | ok, won't push for pushing | 15:59 |
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