[01:05] <Oderus> anyone good at qml?? I'm trying to modify the breeze splash from having a black color rectangle background to a full screen image instead. here's the file. Wondering what changes I need to make at the top to achieve this? I'm clueless heh. https://paste.ubuntu.com/24468312/
[02:11] <Fritigern> Somene please convince me that this Plasma Browser Extension thing is not just Konqueror redux...\
[02:32] <valorie> Fritigern: what was wrong with konq back in the day?
[02:32] <valorie> used to be my favorite browser 10 years ago or so
[02:35] <Fritigern> And 10 years ago, it was adequate, but it had been obsolete since KDE4, yet had been pushed as file manager and browser until P5 came out, and even now it is still available in the repos. In fact, there is stil software that depends on Konqueror, which is so not of this time.
[02:36] <Fritigern> Moreover, it reminded me of Inrternet Explorer in that it was browser and file manager in one.
[02:36] <Fritigern> *web browser
[02:38] <valorie> the browser extension is an attempt to bring plasma menus and control to the big browsers
[02:38] <valorie> since there is no KDE browser being developed now
[02:42] <Fritigern> So it's nothing like Konqueror? (BTW, Rekonq is no longer ativly being developed?)
[02:43] <Fritigern> *actively
[02:53] <valorie> it's just a browser add-on
[02:53] <valorie> afaik just like any other browser addon
[03:01] <Fritigern> Oh good. Because I was worried that someone was trying to revive Konqueror, only poured in a different kind of mold. But a browser addon is a lot different than that, I would probably actually use it too!
[03:01] <Fritigern> Thanks for making me understand ,valorie!
[03:03] <valorie> Konq is based on an old browser engine
[03:03] <valorie> no work I've heard of to revive that at all
[03:03] <valorie> yeah, I'd like to try out that new addon
[03:04] <valorie> only distro that has it built that I've heard of is KaOS
[03:07] <valorie> afaik we don't have it building yet on KCI
[03:07] <valorie> successfully
[04:37] <Fritigern> valorie: 1111111111111111111111111CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCVCVCCVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBV
[04:41] <ussher_> love konqueror. best file manager I've found to date.
[04:46] <Fritigern> I'm sorry, my 3-year old got a hold of my keyboard whilst I was out of the room.
[04:48] <Fritigern> BTW valorie, I really did mean Rekonq, the web browser. Did you mean that one as well when you said that you haven't head of any work to revive that? Just making sure we are talking about the same thing.
[04:49] <valorie> I've heard of no efforts to revive either
[04:49] <valorie> I think someone keeps konq from crashing or whatever
[05:03] <Guest64110> hi
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:49] <amichair> help! I just rebooted after the upgrade to 17.04, and all I get is a frozen kubuntu splash screen. What can I do?
[06:55] <hateball> amichair: can you disable quiet splash in grub?
[06:55] <hateball> so you can see where in the boot process it halts
[06:55] <amichair> hateball: dunno, can I?
[06:55] <hateball> amichair: hold left shift at boot to get into grub, edit bootline and remove splash
[06:55] <hateball> quiet splash*
[06:56] <hateball> that will give you a text-only output on boot
[06:57] <amichair> how strange, this is the 4th time I'm rebooting, held the left shift down the whole time, and now I see the kde logon screen (but didn't see the splash screen before it!)
[06:57] <amichair> previous 3 times I just saw frozen splash
[06:58] <hateball> amichair: so now everything is working as expected?
[06:58] <amichair> restarting again now to see what happens
[06:59] <amichair> hateball: how curious, now it skips the splash screen after a reboot goes straight to kde login, after that seems ok
[06:59] <hateball> amichair: nvidia graphics?
[07:00] <amichair> hateball: nope, integrated i7 gpu, no graphics card
[07:00] <hateball> weird
[07:01] <amichair> hateball: yep
[07:01] <amichair> hateball: anything I should do/check, or just learn to live with a quirky boot sequence?
[07:04] <hateball> amichair: well I would disable the boot splash if you dont need it
[07:04] <amichair> btw during the shutdown part of the restart I do see the kubuntu splash
[07:04] <hateball> just so you can keep an eye on things if it does fail
[07:04] <amichair> hateball: how do I disable it? will that mean I'll see the boot log in text mode instead? like when I'd press esc on splash?
[07:05] <hateball> amichair: yea exactly
[07:05] <hateball> amichair: you edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet splash
[07:06] <hateball> amichair: then sudo update-grub
[07:07] <hateball> amichair: that way the options stick during kernel upgrades
[07:07] <hateball> otherwise you can make oneoff changes by editing grub.conf, or holding shift at boot
[07:07] <amichair> so I comment out the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"? or just leave the value a blank ""?
[07:08] <hateball> amichair: remove to leave a blank value
[07:08] <hateball> dont comment it out
[07:08] <hateball> you may want to comment+copy tho, in case you want to restore it and dont remember what it was :p
[07:08] <amichair> yeah, that's what I did :-)
[07:09] <acheronuk> sudo update-grub
[07:09] <acheronuk> to apply changes
[07:09] <amichair> done, now I'll restart
[07:10] <acheronuk> did he update grub??
[07:10] <acheronuk> oh yes, missed that
[07:10] <amichair> what's that bizzarre new k-menu abstract art icon about...
[07:10]  * acheronuk makes coffee
[07:10] <acheronuk> amichair: it's the plasma logo
[07:11] <amichair> acheronuk: no offense to anyone involved in the design :-)
[07:11] <acheronuk> np. it's pretty rubbish
[07:11] <amichair> hateball: ok, now I see all that crap written instead of splash, I'm good with that
[07:12] <amichair> kde should change their motto (if they have one) to "Change. For change's sake."
[07:13] <ikonia> amichair: or you could changes yours to "I won't make pointless comments"
[07:13] <amichair> oh, I see the logo now appears also while starting kde, full screen. yay.
[07:13] <acheronuk> amichair: that has been the plasma log for ages. they just decided to use it in plasma rather than the more general KDE one
[07:13] <acheronuk> *logo
[07:14] <acheronuk> they had a contest to change it: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=133836
[07:14] <acheronuk> then completely failed to so anything!
[07:14] <amichair> ikonia: or they could change it to something about ignoring user feedback :-P
[07:15] <ikonia> amichair: they don't ignore user feedback
[07:15] <ikonia> hence why your attitude and comments are bit dumb to make
[07:16] <amichair> ikonia: I was just joking about your reply about essentially keeping my comments to myself... nm.
[07:19] <hateball> There there, it's friday and everyone should be happy and friendly :)
[07:20] <amichair> hateball: thanks for your help once again... back to a working system
[07:20] <hateball> amichair: Heh, I didnt really do anything :p
[07:20] <hateball> but it's good that it works !
[07:20] <amichair> hateball: you gave me hope :-)
[07:20] <hateball> it has happened in the past that plymouth hangs tho, but then it's usually not intermittent
[07:20] <hateball> (for me)
[07:21] <amichair> hateball: never had issues with it before, and don't know how it got sorted out after 3 reboots now...
[07:22] <amichair> hateball: well, that's not accurate. had a year or two of issues with it back when plymouth was introduced... but we tend to forget the issues of the past
[07:22] <amichair> until there is a regression
[07:22] <hateball> maybe
[07:23] <amichair> come to think of it, I think I just passed my decade anniversary with Kubuntu!
[07:23] <amichair> started with Dapper, iirc
[07:23] <acheronuk> wow
[07:23] <amichair> 6.06 was it?
[07:23] <hateball> Yes
[07:24] <amichair> so yeah, over a decade
[07:24] <hateball> I didnt really switch to Kubuntu until kde 4.x. used it for various kiosk deploys with 3.x tho, but not for personal use :o
[07:24] <amichair> and counter to security best practices, this system is on a rolling upgrade since Intrepid or so, I think
[07:26] <amichair> I was there for all the kde fiascos... and I do think they often make change for changes sake. or rather since they enjoy it, and care less about users and stability than technological shiny.
[07:26] <amichair> but hey, although I was close to it many times, I haven't abandoned it yet :-)
[07:35] <amichair> is there no backports repo in zesty?
[07:44] <acheronuk> amichair: there will be when we have backported things from Artful. but only just got going on that
[07:45] <acheronuk> amichair: you wanting anything in particular?
[07:45] <amichair> acheronuk: ok. I'll disable the repo for now
[07:46] <amichair> acheronuk: no, just that it won't cause apt to abort. It just has to exist.
[07:46] <acheronuk> yep. there is no release file etc there until we actually upload something. apt is too dumb to fail nicely on that
[07:47] <amichair> acheronuk: I would recommend to create all the repos, with some dummy content if neccessary, as part of every release
[07:47] <acheronuk> amichair: I did that for Yakkety updates
[07:47] <amichair> acheronuk: otherwise users either leave it enabled and all updates fail, or leave it disabled and miss new updated, which is the point of having a repository...
[07:48] <amichair> acheronuk: if the kubuntu team have a release checklist, might be a good idea to add this
[07:49] <acheronuk> acheronuk: oddly, we didn't until recently. but we are making one :)
[07:50] <amichair> acheronuk: that's progress! :-)
[07:51]  * acheronuk looks for the dummy package he made for YY
[07:54] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+build/11152101
[07:54] <acheronuk> maybe should do that again for zesty
[07:56] <amichair> acheronuk: +1 for smoother upgrades
[09:27] <elichai2> hi, why .profile doesn't source when I open the terminal?
[09:27] <elichai2> (I use byobu as my terminal command)
[09:30] <elichai2> hi, why .profile doesn't source when I open the terminal?
[09:30] <elichai2> (I use byobu as my terminal command)
[09:30] <elichai2> (i'm sorry if I sent more than once, my client has a weird bug)
[09:31] <hateball> Just a bit of an idle hour
[09:31] <hateball> And I don't use byobu myself so I can't say
[09:31] <hateball> elichai2: Does it work properly with a clean bash in konsole?
[09:32] <elichai2> no
[09:32] <elichai2> just tried with /bin/bash and it doesn't work
[09:32] <elichai2> (another problem I have is the switching profile doesn't work)
[09:37] <elichai2> hateball:
[09:38] <hateball> elichai2: # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells.
[09:38] <hateball> and running just "bash" wont be a login shell afaik, so that would only read ~/.bashrc
[09:38] <hateball> but I am not very skilled in these arts, so
[09:39] <elichai2> i read that .bash_profile is for login shells
[09:40] <elichai2> and Before I moved to ubuntu It did got sourced
[09:40] <elichai2> *before I moved from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[09:41] <hateball> afaik you can set your terminal emulator to use a login shell or not also
[09:41] <hateball> so... say you used gnome-term or whatever, maybe that ran bash -l ?
[09:41] <hateball> again, I am not an expert on this :p
[09:42] <hateball> putting your changes in ~/.bashrc should work at any rate
[09:57] <elichai2> maye lol, thanks anyway
[09:57] <elichai2> another question :) how can I change the amount of screen dimming the energy saving settings does?
[09:57] <elichai2> because its so dim It looks like the screen is locked and off
[11:16] <guoh> halo
[11:35] <jubo2> Reinstallzeit
[11:36] <enzeperix> hi
[11:36] <enzeperix> so everybody here is a kubuntu user ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:22] <EvilRoey> clivejo: hihi
[13:22] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hi!
[13:23] <EvilRoey> clivejo: how do I add your zssh PPA?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> hey  Roey
[13:24] <EvilRoey> udo add-apt-repository  ppa:zssh
[13:24] <EvilRoey> ?
[13:24] <EvilRoey> sudo add-apt-repository  ppa:zssh
[13:25] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hey man.  So clivejo gave me a link to a PPA for zssh that hopefully fixes my issue with it
[13:25] <BluesKaj> look on launchpad
[13:26] <BluesKaj> paste the link, I'm curious
[13:29] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:29] <EvilRoey> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/zssh/+packages
[13:33] <EvilRoey> clivejo: I still get the same issue when I launch zssh, "out of pty's"
[13:34] <EvilRoey> clivejo: this after having installedhttps://pastebin.com/M6JwgHYB
[13:34] <EvilRoey> https://pastebin.com/M6JwgHYB <-- apt-cache policy shows that I was installing --reinstalling the same version of zssh, whoops, my bad.
[13:35] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: so I tried installing clivejo's zssh package but apparently the kubuntu one has priority?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hmm, I'm already on Artful 17.10 and zssh is in the repos here
[13:35] <EvilRoey> ok
[13:40] <BluesKaj> dunno why it needs a ppa, zssh has been around since 2003
[14:10] <m_tadeu> hi...how to persist powertop settings?
[14:14] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: does zzsh work for you, or do you get a message like "out of pty's"
[14:14] <EvilRoey> ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried it , rsync is usually my method of choice
[14:39] <jubo2> y0 and thanks thanks thanks for the awesome OS
[17:04] <etheretic> hello.
[17:06] <etheretic> are there optional colour icons to the default b/w system icons in the panel?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> etheretic, system settings>icons>icons >themes
[17:13] <Dragnslcr> I think you can also check Workspace Theme -> Desktop Theme
[17:13] <BluesKaj> etheretic, or do you mean the system tray, then it's system settings>workspace theme>desktop theme
[17:13] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I have mine set to the Air theme
[17:16] <etheretic> i'll see..
[17:17] <etheretic> in b/w, the volume icon looks like the network icon, rotated 90 degrees.
[17:18] <etheretic> system tray, yes.
[17:20] <etheretic> changing workspace theme does not affect the systray icons.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> etheretic, don't think the system tray icons are coloured in any desktop theme
[17:22] <etheretic> kde u mean?
[17:22] <Dragnslcr> etheretic- changing the Desktop Theme definitely changes the system tray icons
[17:22] <BluesKaj> yes, this is kubuntu support
[17:23] <etheretic> Dragnslcr, changed from breeze to oxygen - no difference as to sys icons.
[17:24] <Dragnslcr> Weird. It changes them for me. Oxygen and Air have the same icon set.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, the system tray icons have no colour in any desktop theme
[17:25] <Dragnslcr> A couple of them do
[17:25] <etheretic> which?
[17:25] <Dragnslcr> But yeah, most of the icons are still white and gray
[17:26] <Dragnslcr> They just aren't the black outline icons of the Breeze theme
[17:26] <etheretic> looks like an 80's mac se or such.
[17:26] <Dragnslcr> I have KDEConnect, Kopete, USB Devices, and Clipboard icons showing at the moment
[17:27] <Dragnslcr> And they all change going from Breeze to Oxygen/Air
[17:28] <BluesKaj> but no blue, green red or combos thereof
[17:31] <Dragnslcr> There are a couple that are colored. The restart and crash icons are.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> those are intermittent tho
[17:32] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[17:33] <Dragnslcr> I don't mind the gray icons, but I don't like the Breeze icons at all
[17:34] <Dragnslcr> I also miss the old animated icon for Kopete. The new animation isn't constant, so you can't tell at a glance if you have any messages.
[17:34] <Dragnslcr> I still haven't figured out how to change that
[17:34] <BluesKaj> beeeze isn't my style at al in practically everything
[17:35] <BluesKaj> everyone was raving about how cool it looked, the icons are awful and fugly
[17:37] <BluesKaj> my taste of course :-)
[17:37] <etheretic> agree
[17:38] <etheretic> cinnamon looks better, but is too demanding for this 10 yr old sony vaio.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> kde /plasma work fine on thsi 9yr old HP desktop ..added Ram, replaced the hdd with ssd and use an entry level pci-e nvidia gpu
[17:51] <BluesKaj> works fine on this 9yr old HP desktop...even :-)
[17:53] <etheretic> also, is there a way to have not show a thumbnail when the cursor is above program panel icons?
[17:53] <etheretic> well hidden in the cp..
[20:54] <Simplar> Greetings. Somehow, when I am starting up an external wifi usb flash drive, my mouse (and system) freezes. What might be the problem? Using Kubuntu 16.04.2 LTS.
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