[02:57] <Trevinho> morning...
[03:16] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[03:16] <duflu> What's left of it
[03:17] <Trevinho> :-)
[03:17] <Trevinho> I'm good now
[07:18] <Trevinho> Laney: good morning...
[07:19] <Trevinho> Laney: any clue why the bileto Britney Job doesn't start?
[07:19] <Trevinho> Or... sil2100 ^?
[07:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: no clue, I'll try to investigate in a moment
[07:20] <Trevinho> sil2100: thanks
[07:30] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:07] <sil2100> Morning
[08:08] <Laney> hey Trevinho sil2100 oSoMoN & davmor2!
[08:15] <dednick> good friday all!
[08:16] <dednick> saying goodbye to upstart. nice way to start the day.2
[08:17] <dednick> don't ask if i was being serious or not. because i don't know either...
[08:26] <willcooke> morning dednick
[08:26] <willcooke> hey Laney  davmor2
[08:26] <willcooke> hola sil2100
[08:28] <Trevinho> hey willcooke
[08:28] <willcooke> evening Trevinho
[08:28] <Trevinho> still afternoon... :-), but in a nice working spot
[08:29] <willcooke> Have you got a cocktail in a cocnut with an umbrella in it?  I bet you have
[08:29] <Trevinho> No... Not yet...
[08:29] <Trevinho> it's office time! :-)
[08:29] <duflu> (cocktail without an umbrella)
[08:29] <willcooke> :))  Ok, you convinced me
[08:31] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8kojHTxW/20170428_163106.jpg
[08:31] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:31] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:32] <Laney> spring is back a bit
[08:32] <willcooke> Is good.  Have my work items list for the sprint next week.  Need to pack my bags today.
[08:32] <Laney> oh yeah that
[08:33] <willcooke> Minimum temp. over night was a balmy 6 degrees
[08:33] <willcooke> The mercury is going up too: http://imgur.com/a/CPa62
[08:34] <Laney> got some chard and some kale plugs last night
[08:34] <Laney> probably keep them indoors for a bit longer ...
[08:34] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:35] <willcooke> Laney, wise!  Keep them away from the slugs as well
[08:35] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:35]  * Laney is trying egg shells in a couple of places
[08:35] <Laney> have to do quite a thick layer and it looks like shit
[08:35] <Laney> but I think it works
[08:35] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:36] <Laney> how are you?
[08:36] <willcooke> I heard that those "organic slug pellets" are still terrible for wildlige all round
[08:36] <Trevinho> Mh, I've some problems in one of my laptops (xenial), for some reason the gnome-keyring doesn't seem to work when starting the session. Well it does start, but it seesm the lightdm one is still alive and for some reason the session one doesn' start properly.
[08:36] <willcooke> I wonder if something like porridge oats would work?
[08:37] <Laney> mm
[08:37] <Laney> wouldn't it break down?
[08:37] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke: the old fashion beer traps actually work
[08:37] <duflu> Trevinho, was that photo really from 2 minutes ago?
[08:37] <duflu> 5 minutes
[08:37] <duflu> ish
[08:37] <davmor2> http://www.slugoff.co.uk/killing-slugs/beer-trap
[08:38] <Laney> can't really do it in containers though
[08:38] <Laney> that's where the delicious stuff is
[08:38] <Trevinho> duflu: yep
[08:38] <Trevinho> duflu: why?
[08:39] <duflu> Trevinho, you're just very quick with publishing.
[08:39] <willcooke> davmor2, ah yes!
[08:40] <willcooke> Laney, I think it would rot down, but might be a bit less unsighyly than egg shells?  And easier to get in quantity.
[08:40] <Laney> bleddy creatures
[08:41] <davmor2> willcooke: works on developers too offer them free beer and watch the productive increase ;)  They might not fall for it a second time once they realise it is a trap though they are clevererer than slugs :D
[08:41] <seb128> Laney, had better days but mostly fine, you?
[08:41] <Laney> not bad thanks
[08:41]  * Laney hugs seb128 :(
[08:42] <davmor2> seb128: :( you not well dude, if so get better soon :)  If it is just that it is a miserable day I feel ya
[08:48] <davmor2> okay guys why would there be no menus in hexchat on gnome?
[08:48] <davmor2> All I get is global menu that just lists quit
[08:50]  * seb128 hugs Laney back
[08:54] <dednick> Trevinho: jealous!
[08:54] <dednick> looks like you're working from a spa hotel. lol
[08:56] <willcooke> davmor2, I think that's probably a header bars thing.  GNOME getting rid of app menus
[08:57] <willcooke> oh, Laney, I got an email from Brian Murray.  He says he's set up the rls-<foo>-<bar> reports for "aa" not "a"
[08:57] <Laney> wtf
[08:57] <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/
[08:57] <Laney> nothing like consistency
[08:57] <willcooke> Laney, you got mail
[08:58] <Laney> oh well, not a big deal to move some tags
[08:58] <dednick> davmor2: it seems to be the "app menu" only for some apps. think they've integrated all the window menus into headers.
[08:58] <dednick> same for chrome.
[08:58] <Trevinho> dednick: just a villa.... 20€ each for night, with awesome rooms... That's the nice thing of Bali.
[08:59] <dednick> Trevinho: you're in Bali?!
[08:59] <dednick> bastard
[08:59] <Trevinho> dednick: yeah...
[08:59] <duflu> Trevinho, private or shared pool?
[08:59] <Trevinho> duflu: shared but all the rooms are occupied by my friends...
[08:59] <Trevinho> So basically the house is all ours
[08:59] <duflu> Sounds terrible
[08:59] <dednick> Trevinho: shame. didnt have enough for your own pool?
[08:59] <dednick> lol
[09:00]  * Trevinho is greedy
[09:00] <dednick> slacker. 9C here...
[09:00] <Trevinho> that's why I'm staying here for other 20 days, even in italy weather isn't the nicest thing
[09:01] <Trevinho> btw... sil2100 found anything for that silo?
[09:01] <Trevinho> or Laney I guess you won't publish it before having automated testing done, right=
[09:01] <Trevinho> ?
[09:02] <Laney> nope
[09:02] <Laney> he's looking into it
[09:02] <Trevinho> which is right.. ok.
[09:02]  * Laney can see activity in the sysadmin channel
[09:02] <Laney> if bileto's busted that needs to get fixed
[09:03] <Laney> just got a notification on my phone
[09:03] <Laney> 4 years ago today we were in Oakland
[09:04] <willcooke> 3 years ago we were in China
[09:05] <Laney> man
[09:05] <Laney> that was basically your first day wasn't it?
[09:06] <Laney> or thereabouts
[09:06] <willcooke> on, wait - that was August
[09:06] <willcooke> yeah
[09:06] <Laney> what an induction
[09:06] <Laney> august - close enough
[09:08] <willcooke> I really hoped we'd go back.  I wanted another run at that toboggan thing just without some slow coaches in front of us
[09:09] <Trevinho> willcooke: agreeeedoooooo!
[09:10] <Trevinho> willcooke: I waited so long for the front one to go, before starting... And although it was already there!
[09:10] <Trevinho> we had to hit it...
[09:10] <willcooke> :DD
[09:12] <willcooke> https://goo.gl/photos/63xVZ9aeB7H1QjLz8
[09:17] <Laney> :D
[09:18] <Laney> ah man
[09:18] <Laney> it's also Ed Balls day
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> hi desktop team
[09:28]  * Laney cries at Lanscape
[09:28] <Laney> d
[09:28] <Laney> siofaoih
[09:28] <Laney> hi chrisccoulson
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> Happy Ed Balls day Laney!
[09:29] <Laney> I knew I felt lighter on my feet this morning but couldn't quite identify why!
[09:29] <Laney> and to you chrisccoulson!
[09:30] <Laney> oh, I've got a physio appointment later
[09:31] <Laney> ...good job I loaded up my calendar to add Ed Balls day...
[09:34] <Laney> meh
[09:34] <Laney> Landscape's just erroring
[09:37] <davmor2> meh I disabled location, the icon disappears from indicators +1, the option to turn it back on from the indicator menu also disappears -1
[09:59] <davmor2> well that's intuitive I found the preferences menu for hexchat it's a right click on the stupid slidey out thing bottom left
[10:00] <davmor2> that I think might be the tray icons
[10:16] <Trevinho> It's time to jump in the pool for me :-)
[10:16] <Trevinho> have a nice weekend desktoppers..
[10:17] <Trevinho> long weekend for most of us I guess.
[10:17] <willcooke> cya Trevinho, have a good one
[10:17] <Trevinho> you too willcooke
[10:17] <willcooke> Get that cocktail sorted out :)
[10:18] <Trevinho> we've beers for now, but that will happen indeed
[10:22] <oSoMoN> have a good one Trevinho
[10:24] <duflu> Me too, later Trevinho, all
[10:24] <duflu> (minus the pool)
[10:37] <ksamak> andyrock: Trevinho: hi, just a quick reminder, i updated https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/ezoom_focus_tracking/+merge/321643 and https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/showmouse_autostart_option/+merge/318725
[10:38] <ksamak> so if you got time to have a look, feel free ;-)
[10:41] <seb128> Trevinho, enjoy your w.e
[11:18] <davmor2> Laney: do you know if the indicators menu and icons are dynamic or do they only land on a session start?
[11:18] <Laney> I don't know how it works in shell
[11:20] <davmor2> Laney: I disabled location from the indicator menu, the icon and the menu entry disappeared I opened setting and re-enabled expecting to see it reappear but nothing, and I don't want to restart right now but will later so I can see if it loads back up then
[11:29] <flocculant> jbicha: gnome-font-viewer in zesty allows for adding font, just installed on artful and that's gone, just appears to now be a font viewer - is that the case?
[11:29] <flocculant> (on Xubuntu in case that matters)
[11:31] <jbicha> good morning
[11:31] <flocculant> jbicha: hi :)
[11:31] <jbicha> uh, that app is the same version in zesty and artful
[11:31] <flocculant> never know what tz's people are in :)
[11:32] <flocculant> jbicha: oh - sorry - looking at packages.u.c
[11:32] <jbicha> I'm US Eastern
[11:32] <flocculant> anyway - case remains - in zesty there's an Add option that I'm not seeing on Artful here?
[11:34] <jbicha> could you file a bug with screenshots and more details?
[11:34] <flocculant> jbicha: okey doke
[11:39] <flocculant> jbicha: now I'm told that it was there in 16.04 ... I'll file bug anyway, unless Gnome actually removed that option?
[11:39] <jbicha> can you reproduce this yourself or are you just forwarding what someone else is saying?
[11:41] <jbicha> oSoMoN: I tried your 1359 build (w/ gtk3) and it seems to work fine here on 17.04; if you want a bit more testing you could upload to artful?
[11:43] <flocculant> jbicha: I've installed it locally to check (artful) definitely missing for me here - it is JUST viewing installed fonts for me - np reporting it :)
[11:43] <flocculant> biab
[11:48] <dednick> anyone here know why if i use 'quilt refresh' on a debian/patch, it changes the file format? Not in 'git diff' style anymore :/
[11:50] <Laney> that's just what it does
[11:51] <jbicha> dednick: this is what I have in my ~/.quiltrc  it's not quite like git diff but closer: https://paste.debian.net/929852/
[11:52] <Laney> If you want real git diffs then you can export them from git using format-patch
[11:53] <jbicha> another way is to use git-buildpackage and use gbp pq
[11:53] <Laney> Right, this is option overload /me goes away
[11:54] <dednick> jbicha: mine is similar, but i'm getting Index: nm-1.6/libnm/nm-manager.c
[11:54] <dednick> [11:54] <dednick> --- nm-1.6.orig/libnm/nm-manager.c      2017-04-28 12:34:10.278642076 +0100
[11:54] <dednick> +++ nm-1.6/libnm/nm-manager.c   2017-04-28 12:34:10.278642076 +0100
[11:54] <dednick> @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
[11:54] <meetingology> dednick: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
[11:54] <dednick>  /* -*- Mode: C; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 4 -*- */
[11:54] <dednick> +
[11:54] <dednick>  /*
[11:54] <dednick>   * This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
[11:54] <dednick>   * modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
[11:54] <dednick> @@ -789,7 +790,7 @@ find_active_connection_by_path (NMManage
[11:54] <meetingology> dednick: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
[11:54] <dednick>  static void
[11:54] <dednick>  recheck_pending_activations (NMManager *self)
[11:54] <dednick>  {
[11:54] <dednick> -       NMManagerPrivate *priv = NM_MANAGER_GET_PRIVATE (self);
[11:54] <dednick> +       NMManagerPrivate *priv;
[11:55] <dednick>         GSList *iter, *next;
[11:55] <dednick>         NMActiveConnection *candidate;
[11:55] <dednick>         const GPtrArray *devices;
[11:55] <dednick> @@ -797,6 +798,9 @@ recheck_pending_activations (NMManager *
[11:55] <meetingology> dednick: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
[11:55] <dednick>         GDBusObjectManager *object_manager = NULL;
[11:55] <dednick>         GError *error;
[11:55] <dednick>  
[11:55] <dednick> +       g_return_if_fail (NM_IS_MANAGER (self));
[11:55] <dednick> +
[11:55] <dednick> +       priv = NM_MANAGER_GET_PRIVATE (self);
[11:55] <dednick>         object_manager = _nm_object_get_dbus_object_manager (NM_OBJECT (self));
[11:55] <dednick> doh!
[11:55] <dednick> stupid paste
[11:55] <dednick> that was supposed to be a pastebin link :/
[11:55] <dednick> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24472542/
[11:55] <xnox> hahahahaha =) happens, still funny
[11:55] <xnox> looks nice though
[11:56] <dednick> rather than this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24472545/
[11:56] <jbicha> isn't NM packaging already in git?
[11:56] <Sweetshark> tasty copypasta for lunch.
[11:57] <dednick> jbicha: i'm refreshing the patches.
[11:57] <dednick> for 1.6
[11:58] <dednick> ah. i'm probably supposed to be useing gbp pq.
[12:00] <jbicha> yes, I think that's how Debian is doing it
[12:01] <jbicha> just keep the patch-queue/master branch local and don't push it to LP because it's just a working branch
[12:02] <dednick> jbicha: ack. ta.
[12:04] <jbicha> thanks for working on NM :)
[12:10] <jbicha> is seb128 out today?
[12:12] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah
[12:12] <jbicha> yay, I'll just break a few things while he's not looking ;)
[12:12] <willcooke> :)
[12:13] <jbicha> I want to get his input on dropping pkg-gnome-compat-desktop-file, so next week LP: #1606901
[12:13] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1606901 in nautilus (Ubuntu Xenial) "Clicking "Show details" in AO for Nautilus produces "Could not find 'nautilus.desktop'" error from gnome-software" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606901
[12:31] <oSoMoN> jbicha, thanks! there’s packages with GTK3 for all supported series in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-next/+packages
[12:32] <oSoMoN> jbicha, that version of chromium (58) is still beta though
[12:32] <oSoMoN> not sure it’s suitable for artful, even though it’s a development series
[12:32] <jbicha> and artful is still alpha ;)
[12:33] <oSoMoN> tbh I don’t know what Chad did in this regard, but it would make sense to push the beta to artful
[12:33] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, do you know? ^
[12:34] <jbicha> Chad did not push betas like that as far as I remember
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> he didn't. I did at one point push Firefox beta to the development release
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> High DPI is broken with use_gtk3 in chromium btw
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=716135
[12:38] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: where should the chromium beta PPA live? what do you think about reviving https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily ?
[12:43] <Laney> If the compatibility desktop files are removed, then upgrades need to be handled.
[12:43] <Laney> For desktop environments that aren't just Shell.
[12:43] <Laney> I'm off to an appointment, back in ab it.
[12:49] <Beret> anyone available to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1675933 ?
[12:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1675933 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm fails to start" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:50] <Beret> I'm sure folks are going to be wanting to play with or use gnome shell in zesty and it's a royal pain atm unless you use the gnome flavor
[12:53] <jbicha> Laney: LP: #1662296
[12:53] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1662296 in unity (Ubuntu) "Remap renamed .desktop files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662296
[12:55] <jbicha> the compatibility script is broken and I'm not sure how much responsibility we have for upgrading other desktops
[13:14]  * kenvandine is undoing old work... so fitting :)
[13:14] <kenvandine> i've been working on undoing all my old patches to empathy
[13:15] <kenvandine> i'll also update it to the latest version
[13:15] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, ack, thanks
[13:15] <kenvandine> Laney, jbicha: ^^ so we don't duplicate efforts :)
[13:15] <jbicha> thanks
[13:16] <kenvandine> my current work in progress https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/empathy/no_unity_no_uoa/+merge/323384
[13:16] <kenvandine> it's removing a bunch of binaries that aren't useful anymore, with UOA
[13:16] <kenvandine> and moving the goa plugin back to the empathy binary, since that's all we'll support anyway
[13:17] <jbicha> if the Unity patches still apply, I'm not sure whether we want to remove them now?
[13:17] <kenvandine> i don't think we lose much
[13:17] <kenvandine> like the file transfer in the launcher
[13:17] <kenvandine> i know there will still be unity users, but it's not that important to have the progress in the launcher
[13:18] <kenvandine> same for the ido message dialog for answering voip calls... we can just do what upstream does now
[13:18] <kenvandine> that was just because we had designs that didn't match upstream
[13:19] <jbicha> maybe that's a topic for next week's meeting?
[13:19] <kenvandine> sure
[13:19] <kenvandine> i'm not going to upload it this week :)
[13:19] <kenvandine> it's a big packaging change
[13:19] <kenvandine> mostly because of dropping uoa
[13:20] <jbicha> I think we're killing UOA because it's simpler to just go along with GOA
[13:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:22] <kenvandine> we're not going to maintain UOA anymore
[13:22] <kenvandine> so we'll switch to GOA
[13:57] <Laney> jbicha: yes, but (1) a bug report isn't going to get it fixed, (2) caring about only one environment isn't very good
[13:57] <Laney> I like how our thing is a hack but gnome-shell's massive table isn't
[13:58] <Laney> does that table work for mimetype opening?
[13:59] <jbicha> gnome-shell's approach is a hack too
[14:00] <Laney> the point of doing it the way we chose to was to try to support as many environments as possible
[14:00] <Laney> otherwise we could have just done a session migration script
[14:02] <Laney> I suppose one way would be indeed to use session migration and ask all flavours to contribute code to port their stuff
[14:06] <Laney> kenvandine: Just FYI I'm not actively working on any patches / updates atm, so don't worry about colliding with me
[14:06] <Laney> well, gstreamer, but nobody else will touch that :)
[14:07]  * willcooke is cooking a plan for GStream and VA API
[14:07] <willcooke> (as usual)
[14:07] <willcooke> *GStreamer
[14:07] <Laney> baaaaaaaaaaaahahahahah
[14:07]  * Laney ahem
[14:07] <jbicha> kenvandine: I think it's ok to push stuff like your empathy work directly to the ubuntu-desktop branch
[14:08] <kenvandine> Laney, i made the mistake of touching that once... i won't do it again :)
[14:08] <Laney> I'm living in your shadow right now
[14:08] <Laney> the move-some-plugins-to-good stuff
[14:08] <kenvandine> jbicha, not yet, i like having it in a WIP branch to easily see the diff
[14:09] <kenvandine> Laney, yeah... i did that one time and it was 2 years of hell :)
[14:09] <Laney> heh
[14:09] <kenvandine> moving plugins suck
[14:09] <jbicha> I pushed my nautilus 3.24 to the desktop branch but I don't know how to handle tracker
[14:09] <kenvandine> jbicha, without tracker it's pretty useless right?
[14:10]  * kenvandine really doesn't want tracker by default
[14:10] <kenvandine> there was a time i tried to convince people we did... i lost that battle and in hindsight is thankful
[14:11] <jbicha> I don't think it will be useless, it just won't work as nicely
[14:11] <kenvandine> i need to re-read that thread
[14:12] <jbicha> tracker is supposed to be better than it was a few years ago
[14:12] <kenvandine> jbicha, lol... i've heard that before :)
[14:12] <kenvandine> when i was pushing for it by default we had been told it was rewritten and greatly improved, yada yada
[14:13] <kenvandine> it wasn't better :)
[14:13] <kenvandine> jbicha, just saying i'm still skeptical... and i'm an annoyingly optimistic person
[14:13] <kenvandine> if you ask my wife :)
[14:14]  * kenvandine runs out for an appointment, bbiab
[14:39] <dobey> tracker itself doesn't seem to be as horrible any more
[14:39] <dobey> but the way it's used in GNOME is :-/
[15:19] <kenvandine> hey dobey
[15:20] <dobey> hey kenvandine
[15:20] <jbicha> the Books, Documents, Games, Music and Photos apps all require Tracker; GNOME Shell requires Tracker for file search in the Activities Overview
[15:21] <jbicha> it looks like Nautilus' new Batch Rename feature is not enabled if nautilus is built without tracker
[15:22] <dobey> yep
[15:22] <dobey> and needs tracker-miner-fs to actually find things
[15:23] <kenvandine> that's unfortunate
[15:23] <dobey> and having every random mp3 ogg wave etc file on my system show up under gnome music is also really awesome
[15:24] <dobey> i always wanted to shuffle through all the sound effects from every game in my steam library
[15:24] <kenvandine> lol
[15:27] <dobey> also i can totally vouch for kenvandine being annoyingly optimistic ;)
[15:27] <kenvandine> lol
[15:27] <jbicha> I don't have that problem with my gnome-music, I thought it only used your XDG_MUSIC_DIR
[15:30] <dobey> i don't think it does, but i didn't go debugging very far when i hit it
[15:30] <dobey> i just uninstalled tracker-miner-fs and the apps and deleted the tracker db
[15:38] <kenvandine> if it does index the whole system, i bet that's a patch upstream might take
[15:40] <kenvandine> jbicha, do you know about any of the palm detection stuff that replaced the ability to disable the touchpad while typing?
[15:40] <kenvandine> it doesn't work very well on my laptop, driving me nuts
[15:41] <kenvandine> curious what component to look at
[15:41] <oSoMoN> qengho, hey, I was wondering whether https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+templates is still in use?
[15:41] <oSoMoN> looks like the pots were last updated 2 years ago
[15:41] <jbicha> kenvandine: make sure you don't have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
[15:42] <kenvandine> ah... i do
[15:42] <jbicha> uninstall it and log out and back in
[15:42] <kenvandine> cool
[15:42] <jbicha> GNOME uses -libinput but if synaptics is installed then it will override libinput which will break GNOME's mouse & touchpad settings
[15:45] <kenvandine> time will tell if that helped
[15:45] <kenvandine> i could never reproduce it at will
[15:45] <kenvandine> but when i wasn't trying to... it was terrible
[15:45] <jbicha> GNOME uses -libinput but if synaptics is installed then it will override libinput which will break GNOME's mouse & touchpad settings
[15:46] <jbicha> Unity7 might be the only reason Ubuntu still offers -synaptics
[15:51] <jbicha> if Nautilus is built with --enable-tracker (like it currently is), Batch Rename works; but its metadata templates won't work
[15:51] <kenvandine> i don't think batch rename is a feature average users will even know exists
[15:51] <kenvandine> we shouldn't cater to that
[15:52] <jbicha> so I think I'll just upload 3.24 as is (without the tracker dependency and without the now-obsolete ubuntu_tracker_only_on_GNOME.patch )
[15:53] <jbicha> if someone has tracker installed (because of something else pulling it in or whatever) then nautilus will gain a few more features
[15:54] <kenvandine> hmm... after a logout/login now scaling in chrome is terrible
[15:54] <kenvandine> everything is tiny
[15:54] <kenvandine> it was fine
[15:55] <jbicha> kenvandine: is that https://codereview.chromium.org/2852593002/ ?
[15:56] <kenvandine> jbicha, maybe... but why would that have changed today
[15:56] <kenvandine> hmmm... maybe a chrome update
[15:57] <jbicha> Debian's nautilus only suggests tracker too
[15:57] <kenvandine> i think that's sensible
[15:57] <kenvandine> ok, i have chrome beta 59
[15:58] <jbicha> but Debian GNOME would still have tracker installed
[16:16] <jbicha> but besides that bug, gtk3 Chrome is nice, right?
[16:26] <kenvandine> jbicha, hard to enjoy it... when everything is so tiny
[16:27] <Laney> kenvandine: have you ever tried OpenTTD on hidpi?
[16:27] <kenvandine> but i've been looking forward to this
[16:27] <Laney> it's the best
[16:27] <kenvandine> nope
[16:27] <Laney> not to play, but to look at
[16:27]  * kenvandine googles
[16:27] <Laney> because it's not scaled
[16:32] <kenvandine> Laney, lol, that's a little worse than chrome
[16:32] <Laney> :D
[16:44] <dobey> eh
[16:44] <dobey> "have you *tried* playing this game that was designed for 320x200 displays on HiDPI yet?!"
[16:44] <kenvandine> dobey, that's awesome right?
[16:45]  * ogra_ guesses you need a really tiny joystick
[16:46] <dobey> kenvandine: oh, openttd isn't too bad. you can set it to 3840x2160 and full screen
[16:46] <willcooke> happy weekend everyone
[16:46]  * willcooke goes to pack
[16:47] <willcooke> o/
[16:47] <Laney> bye willcooke
[16:47] <Laney> happy flight
[16:47] <willcooke> cheers!
[16:47] <Laney> may you forever get bumped to business
[16:47] <Laney> stupid quitters
[16:49] <seb128> lol
[16:49] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[16:49] <dobey> the audio seems to clip a lot though
[16:56] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[17:06] <flocculant> jbicha: sorry for the pointless noise earlier - not sure how someone saw http://i.imgur.com/Xdd8q4a.png, I see http://i.imgur.com/mvmAovC.png in Xubuntu AND Gnome Artful Daily ...
[17:08] <flocculant> guessing it was a bit old
[17:09] <jbicha> flocculant: that is what it looks like in 16.04 LTS
[17:09] <ogra_> did anyone notice that gnome permanenetly accesses the camera on laptops to auto-adjust the brightness ?
[17:10] <flocculant> jbicha: ok ty - I shouldn't deal with things lunchtime ...
[17:11] <kenvandine> ogra_, that's slightly creepy
[17:11] <ogra_> kenvandine, yes
[17:11] <jbicha> ogra_: are you sure it's the camera and not just an ambient light sensor?
[17:12] <ogra_> i was wondering for a week why my display brightness seems to go up and down ... now i tried with a lamp, pointing it to the camera makes my screen go fully bright
[17:12] <ogra_> jbicha, to my knowledge this laptop doesnt have an ambient sensor
[17:13] <kenvandine> interesting... i just put my hand over the camera and it did dim a little
[17:14] <jbicha> some guys in #gnome-design (irc.gnome.org) today said that Simple Scan let them use their webcam as a scanner
[17:14] <kenvandine> that's kind of neat... i wonder how it looks
[17:14] <jbicha> I have a webcam in my laptop but it doesn't do either of those!
[17:14] <jbicha> I think it was a bug actually
[17:15] <ogra_> perhaps i have an ambient sensor built into the camera that i dont know about :)
[17:15] <kenvandine> simple-scan didn't let me scan :)
[17:15] <ogra_> lshw, lsusb and lspci dont show anything related though
[17:15] <kenvandine> ogra_, it's possible
[17:16] <jbicha> kenvandine: I know, I'm jealous now! :) (re: scanning)
[17:17] <kenvandine> i finally figured out there was a control to disable rotation, which was terribly annoying
[17:17] <kenvandine> the slightest bump to my laptop and the screen would rotate, and stay rotated
[17:21] <ogra_> ok ... i take that back ..
[17:21] <ogra_> ... /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/device:01/PNP0C09:00/ACPI0008:00/iio:device0/in_illuminance_raw
[17:21] <ogra_> seems there is such a sensor
[17:22] <ogra_> so not using the camera then,, sorry for the noise
[17:37]  * oSoMoN EOW
[17:37] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone
[17:45] <Laney> me too
[17:45] <Laney> see you tuesday
[17:45] <kenvandine> Laney, have a good weekend
[17:45] <kenvandine> ogra_, must be the same for me, it's gotta be in the camera though
[17:47] <ogra_> sudo find /sys -name '*illuminance*'
[17:47] <ogra_> ;)
[17:47] <ogra_> should tell you