[00:10] <daftykins> diddledan: strawberry security dev - http://i.imgur.com/5NYeNYa.gifv
[00:13] <diddledan> Wow
[00:20] <diddledan> https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8512/8545742983_fd31dbc893_b.jpg
[00:23] <daftykins> ooh what can i win!?
[00:24] <ball> Pie :-9
[00:25] <diddledan> Raspberry?
[00:26] <diddledan> So, I just ordered an lg g6
[00:26] <diddledan> Oops?
[00:26] <diddledan> I swear I shouldn't be allowed on the internet!
[00:27] <diddledan> I'm a liability to myself
[00:27] <daftykins> oof
[00:28] <ball> I looked at that recently but opted for a K7 instead.
[00:28] <daftykins> i thought LG were a good break from the evil of Samsung etc, but they're even worse :( class action lawsuits all around about their bootlooping devices
[00:28] <diddledan> I looked at the s8 but that's samsung..!
[00:28] <daftykins> EVIL!
[00:28] <ball> I used a Samsun Entro for a while.  Nice phone but it's CDMA.
[00:29] <diddledan> And I don't want their weird BIxby thing
[00:29] <ball> ...and I need to be able to tether on occasion, too.
[00:30] <diddledan> The camera looks good on the g6
[00:30] <ball> ...since my VDSL craps out at least once per day.
[00:30] <daftykins> d'aww
[00:30] <diddledan> Smack it
[00:30] <daftykins> give your copper a good brasso!
[00:32] <ball> What's sad is that it's the only option here, other than a mobile phone.
[00:33] <diddledan> Is that an appropriate behavior towards the constabulary?
[00:35] <ball> brb, time to feed the dogs.
[00:41] <ball> dogs=fed.
[00:42] <daftykins> ah we have VDSL2 tech here, but then it's much more befitting of an island
[00:43] <daftykins> 60 down 10 up over my ~700m line
[00:46] <ball> I get 3M down and about half that up.
[00:48] <daftykins> :<
[00:48] <ball> ...that's just over thirty six quid per month.
[00:49] <diddledan> I get 80/20 on an 80/20 service via vdsl might be vdsl2
[00:49] <daftykins> your line might sync faster than that though
[00:49] <daftykins> you only see your provisioned speed in most cases
[00:49]  * ball nods
[00:49] <diddledan> It does - reports attainable of 96/29
[00:49] <daftykins> :D
[00:50] <diddledan> I was only looking at those earlier today
[00:50] <daftykins> ah har
[00:50] <daftykins> mine was 52/20 prior to signing up to the 60/10 service
[00:51] <diddledan> Apparently manufacturers are starting to make sfp vdsl2 adapters to allow routers to be made cheaper and be upgradable
[00:52] <daftykins> D:
[00:52] <daftykins> roll-on G.fast - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.fast
[00:54] <diddledan> Kinda like a dongle with the vdsl transceiver but being sfp it goes into a deeper hole that holds most of the unit with just the rj11 poking out
[00:54] <ball> Supposedly this line could do 43M down.  Not sure I believe that.
[00:54] <diddledan> Yeah g.fast is getting closer.. but are now doing real world trials
[00:54] <ball> Not paying extra unless they can make the thing work more reliably anyway.
[00:54] <diddledan> S/but/bt/
[00:57] <daftykins> ball: mm if they're really forcing it onto VDSLx you'd be better off having it on ADSLx if it's line length that's the trouble
[00:57] <diddledan> Ball, 3mbps is below the threshold to class an FTtc line as faulty
[00:58] <diddledan> I believe the threshold BT set is 12mbps
[00:58] <ball> daftykins: I don't think it's line length. The node is at the end of our street.
[00:58] <daftykins> he's not in Blighty though!
[00:58] <diddledan> Oh
[00:58] <daftykins> ball: oh right so it's definitely a fiber backed cabinet of some kind?
[00:58]  * ball nods
[00:59] <daftykins> i take it you've tried terminating a socket right on where the pair comes into the property to rule out internal wiring?
[01:00] <daftykins> not that you're technically allowed to do that, but meh ;D
[01:01] <diddledan> Bedtime I think
[01:02] <daftykins> indeed! just finished an episode of Cosmos there, good ol' Carl Sagan
[01:04] <ball> daftykins: The network interface box has an RJ11 in it.  I suppose I could run a fresh pair out to that, to see whether things improve.
[01:08] <daftykins> i'm imagining something close to the setup here, so a bunch of cables come out of the ground or sometimes from the pole over into the property, usually in a little grey plastic box - then the internal run patches onto that
[01:08] <daftykins> i just stamp on a built-in filter socket there and give a sync test \o/
[01:10] <ball> I /could/ put the hideous modem/router box in the garage and run wires to one or two 5 GHz access points.
[01:11] <ball> ...it would be nice to get off 2.4 GHz
[01:11] <ball> ...and that would free up some space in the kitchen.
[01:11] <daftykins> ah well you just toss it there to test it, if it's good then you can still extend away from it, you just ideally want to do it over a nice bit o' CAT6 cable instead
[01:11] <ball> (the modem/router thing looks like a VCR from the late 1970s)
[01:11] <daftykins> hehe
[01:12]  * ball breaks out the Cat3
[01:13] <daftykins> :D sounds like string
[01:14] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna sleep, let me know of your tale of success ball! :)
[01:14] <ball> Hey, it's perfect for 10baseT ;-)
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[16:13] <chatter29> hey guys
[16:13] <chatter29> allah is doing
[16:13] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[16:13] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[17:07] <tdaws> hello world
[22:22] <daftykins> m0nkey_: ah, the man is fixing things - this weekend is good
[22:25] <m0nkey_> I'm not home to watch.
[22:25] <daftykins> d'aww
[22:26] <daftykins> oh sorry for the distraction then :>