[12:43] <frodo654321> Hi there ..
[12:44] <frodo654321> What's the progress on LXQT on Lubuntu ?
[12:45] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> You can test the metapackage by yourself (lubuntu-qt-desktop) available since Xerus release :)
[12:45] <frodo654321> Thanks ..
[12:45] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> But as it's being ported from Qt4 to Qt5 it still needs a "retouch"
[12:46] <frodo654321> Will it still run as fast as LXDE on the same hardware?
[12:47] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> Yes
[12:48] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> The Qt Team is optimizing the Qt core libraries to make it as fast as "old" gtk ones.
[12:48] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> And our goal is to keep light but fully functional apps on top of that.
[12:48] <acheronuk> Qt is not 'heavyweight', really. just what some project do with it makes it so
[12:49] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> Yes
[12:49] <frodo654321> i like the desktop because it doesn't get in your way, unlike the one that came out of Redmond :)
[12:49]  * acheronuk notes KDE plasma used about 1/2 the memory that Unity an Unity 8 did :P
[12:50] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> A couple distros released LXQt desktops, I've tested and I don't like them, because of the customised environment.
[12:50] <acheronuk> as always, it's not what you've got, but what you do with it that matters. ;)
[12:51] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> indeed
[12:52] <frodo654321> I have noticed how the system swaps out even when it has lots of available memory, I disabled swap and it runs fine :)
[12:52] <lubot> <VikingRedwolf> I don't even have a swap :)
[12:53] <frodo654321> I've got the system running on 13G partition ..
[12:53] <frodo654321> It's a 23 GB partition the system is 13 GB ..
[12:54] <redwolf> enough
[12:54] <redwolf> mine is 15 I think
[12:54] <redwolf> Linux isn't a resource devouring OS really
[12:54] <frodo654321> Change of topic. I guess the systemd wars are over ?
[12:58] <redwolf> yes :)
[12:58] <frodo654321> I haven't noticed a big difference myself, except maybe boot and shutdown times are a bit faster.
[12:59] <redwolf> actually, new versions work better than upstart
[12:59] <redwolf> there's some documentation here for "nostalgics": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[13:00] <frodo654321> It used to wait on 'waiting-on-network', I disabled some script and it boots a lot quicker. It's to do with a non-standard NIC, I think ?
[13:00] <redwolf> it seems you did a good job
[13:00] <redwolf> not for average users, though! :)
[13:01] <frodo654321> It's a cobbled together machine made out of old parts.
[13:02] <redwolf> well done
[13:02] <frodo654321> I'm still 0n 16.04, time for an upgrade ?
[13:03] <redwolf> I always recommend a fresh install but, unless you want an edge OS, or if you don't need to keep that system for any server reason, yeah, go ahead
[13:05] <frodo654321> I did run dist-upgrade and for what ever reason it decided to remove most of the installation. I did of course make a full back-up before.
[13:06] <redwolf> that's wise. and that's why I recommend to fresh install re-using the home partition
[13:06] <redwolf> so you get back all your preferences and settings
[13:06] <redwolf> including ssh, pgp, and other keys
[13:08] <frodo654321> I've got a recovery system on a USB .. I've managed to squeeze MPV onto it, it actually runs faster than from the harddrive. https://mpv.io/
[13:08] <redwolf> sorry, lunch time! brb
[13:09] <frodo654321> "including ssh, pgp, and other keys" .. I don't have anything confidential on this machine. I always assume someone is monitoring me :)
[13:09] <frodo654321> ok gtg .. bye