[12:14] <cmaloney> morning
[15:53] <rick_h> morning
[15:53] <rick_h> for a little bit more at least
[15:55] <cmaloney> heh
[16:09] <rick_h> cmaloney: how's pcon?
[16:09] <rick_h> cmaloney: talks go well?
[17:45] <cmaloney> rick_h: Yeah, they went really well
[17:45] <cmaloney> PCon was quite good this time
[17:45] <cmaloney> Didn't do a whole lot of talks, but had a great time
[17:47] <rick_h> Awesome
[17:49] <jrwren> did you meet scalzi?
[17:49] <jrwren> or listen to him?
[17:59] <cmaloney> I did not, sadly
[17:59] <cmaloney> I really didn't do a whole lot of the talks.
[18:00] <cmaloney> One of my friends tried to record part of it
[18:00] <cmaloney> so will see how that turned out
[18:49] <Zimdale> I swear we hit less panels each year.
[18:51] <cmaloney> Same
[18:51] <cmaloney> I hit less panels than I was hosting
[18:52] <cmaloney> Hit the Javascript one, the books one (which was amazing), and part of the Women in Tech one
[18:52] <cmaloney> Oh, and the Smithees
[18:52] <cmaloney> so, apparently I'm full of shit. :)
[18:52] <Zimdale> How was the js one?
[18:53] <cmaloney> It was unstructured, but it turned into some good conversation
[18:53] <Zimdale> Damn I like that kind.
[18:53] <cmaloney> Naturally started with the "Why the fuck is it 2017 and we're using JavaScript for everything"
[18:53] <Zimdale> That's what the tattoo one turned into and I though it ended up really good.
[18:54] <cmaloney> Nice
[18:54] <Zimdale> And yeah that's a pretty easy question to get some opposing opinions.
[18:55] <cmaloney> Oh totes
[18:56] <cmaloney> My biggest complaint is "yes, we know it sucks, but we have so much sunk cost into this"
[18:56] <cmaloney> so doing anything better is a non-starter
[18:57] <cmaloney> Though I'm sure some would argue that UNIX fits that model
[18:57] <Zimdale> In too deep.
[18:57] <Zimdale> I've seen a lot of "well we have js devs" a lot too.
[18:57] <Zimdale> Probably because I'm a js dev
[18:57] <cmaloney> Yeah, no worries there
[18:57] <cmaloney> I understand the history. I'm just wondering why we keep using the glue when we know the fumes get everyone high
[18:58] <Zimdale> Something something cool and hipster.
[18:58] <Zimdale> My biggest guess is barrier of entry really.
[18:59] <Zimdale> It's easy to learn with few real "rules" of development.
[18:59] <cmaloney> Well, I think the biggest thing is in order to do anything cool on a web browser you have to talk JS to it
[18:59] <cmaloney> There's no other way
[18:59] <cmaloney> other than adding plugins or other shit
[19:00] <cmaloney> It's like BASIC on the old micros. You can put whatever you want on it but eventually you'll get kicked back into BASIC
[19:00] <cmaloney> or VI
[19:04] <Zimdale> Yeah.
[19:04] <Zimdale> Build my own web browser.
[19:05] <Zimdale> With blackjack and hookers!
[19:05] <cmaloney> As one does
[19:06] <Zimdale> I'll build it in JavaScript. You'll have to do all your stylings in C
[19:06] <cmaloney> hah