[11:49] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/selif/nck3xi38.png Nice shirt
[13:26] <Langjan> Hello inetpro K_K_N smile theblazehen et al
[13:39] <Langjan> Helloooo - anybody home? 
[14:15] <Kilos> hi Langjan and everyone else
[14:16] <Kilos> might not be here long, using 3g dongle with mtn thats vrot but route refuses to connect to cellc and cant login to it because of ip addy issues
[14:17] <Langjan> Hi Kilos good to see you here
[14:17] <Langjan> you ok?
[14:17] <Kilos> yes ty sir and you?
[14:18] <Kilos> just struggling to stay connected sometimes 10 mins then off
[14:18] <Langjan> Fine thks
[14:18] <Langjan> Plse help 
[14:18] <Langjan> My friend's laptop was stolen, but I have his files (Ubuntu 14.04 system) backed up on my external drive. He also lost his PUK and pin for his Vodacom dongle in the process, so cannot connect, but the settings must be in the backed-up files so I just need to know where to look. 
[14:18] <Kilos> i saw the mail
[14:19] <Kilos> got into the external and see what you can see
[14:19] <Langjan> OK I just dont know how to find a file in these systems
[14:19] <Langjan> ok
[14:19] <Kilos> is /home backed up
[14:19] <Kilos> i havent needed to do that yet
[14:19] <Langjan> yes will it be one of the .whatever files?
[14:20] <Kilos> you can open . files if you do something
[14:20] <Kilos> haha
[14:20] <Kilos> forget what
[14:20] <Langjan> .cache, .compiz
[14:20] <Kilos> show hidden
[14:21] <Langjan> oh but I need to know which one
[14:21] <Langjan> yes but then which one?
[14:21] <Kilos> compiz will be system stuff
[14:21] <Kilos> so in a non system folder
[14:21] <Kilos> is everything . files
[14:22] <Kilos> theblazehen why arent you advising here
[14:22] <Langjan> Google syas its in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[14:23] <Kilos> when you see 2 blind people trying to get somewhere dont you guide them
[14:23] <Langjan> lmga!
[14:24] <Kilos> if you have a spare drive Langjan you can install on it then backup the home off external and youll have everything
[14:24] <Kilos> only way i can think of atm
[14:25] <Langjan> You lost me there Kilos 
[14:25] <Kilos> where actually
[14:26] <Kilos> install your friends system on a spare drive and do the backup
[14:28] <Langjan> You mean back his current home up and then install the backed up home in his system? 
[14:28] <Langjan> Then it will probably connect but I still need to get it to connect with his current system
[14:29] <Langjan> So I need to find the backed up file with the settings and install it in his currently-installed home folder
[14:34] <Kilos-> see what i mean about connection
[14:35] <Langjan> Ai! Yest its frustrating
[14:35] <Kilos-> his lappy is gone right?
[14:35] <Langjan> yes he has a new one
[14:35] <Kilos-> or has he another
[14:35] <Kilos-> ok then run the backup to the new one
[14:36] <Kilos-> is it a proper backup or just copied files
[14:36] <Langjan> Its the whole home folder
[14:36] <Kilos-> good
[14:37] <Kilos-> then everything will be there, just need to install all the packages he had before
[14:37] <Kilos-> and the apps
[14:37] <Langjan> Thats already been done
[14:37] <Langjan> done
[14:37] <Kilos-> so whats missing then
[14:37] <Kilos-> everything should then be the same as the old lappy
[14:38] <Langjan> I only installed the backed-up files that I know about 
[14:38] <Kilos-> wait
[14:38] <Kilos-> how did you make the backup of home
[14:38] <Kilos-> backup tool?
[14:39] <Langjan> copied it to my external drive
[14:39] <Kilos-> listen now
[14:39] <Kilos-> you copied /home to external
[14:39] <Kilos-> then copied it back
[14:40] <Kilos-> try in future to use deja dup backup tool or rsync from cli
[14:40] <Langjan> no I did not copy the whole /home back
[14:41] <Kilos-> you must if you want everything back
[14:41] <Kilos-> you cant pick and choose
[14:41] <Langjan> I did that before and ended up with conflicts
[14:41] <Kilos-> you do a basic install
[14:41] <Kilos-> then backup
[14:42] <Kilos-> better with backup tool
[14:42] <Kilos-> i use rsync
[14:42] <Langjan> I have never used backup tool or rsync
[14:43] <Kilos-> sudo rsync -av miles:miles /home/ /media/miles/ext/home/
[14:43] <Langjan> have tried backup tool but too complicated for gray hair
[14:43] <Kilos-> command is easy
[14:45] <Langjan> OK so I gather I cannot find the file with the connection settings - its hidden somewhere in obscurity
[14:45] <Kilos-> wait for one of the clever guys
[14:46] <Langjan> what does the sudo rsync command do?
[14:46] <Kilos-> thats how i do it , but try copy the whole home folder back
[14:46] <Kilos-> it makes a backup
[14:48] <Langjan> If I copy the whole home folder it will ask me whether to replace duplicate files and I wont know when to select the old or the new ones 
[14:49] <Kilos-> just say yes to everything
[14:51] <Langjan> Will that not cause problems with the new installation and apps?
[14:52] <Langjan> OK I know I must keep the new .thunderbird for example, but to get them all right is a bit of a gamble
[14:55] <Kilos-> just try it, what else can you do
[14:55] <Kilos-> or wait for chesedo or padda
[14:55] <Langjan> Get the settings from Vodacom
[14:56] <Kilos-> what settings?
[14:56] <Langjan> I thought it will cut the schlep if I can find that file
[14:56] <Kilos-> for vodamail?
[14:56] <Langjan> for the dongle to connect
[14:57] <Langjan> He has a Vodacom dongle for internet
[14:57] <Kilos-> nm should connect with no settings from anywhere
[14:58] <Langjan> thats what he thought but it keeps asking for a PUK and pin
[14:58] <Langjan> On win 7 and Ubuntu
[15:00] <Langjan> His old machine was a 32 bit the new one is 64 bit could that be a part of the problem? 
[15:06] <Kilos-> shouldnt be
[15:06] <Kilos-> take sim out dongle and put in fone
[15:06] <Kilos-> then set it to not ask for pin
[15:07] <Kilos-> and puk you can get from voda 
[15:07] <Kilos-> i think you call and there options to get puck
[15:08] <Kilos-> just google how to get puk on vodacom
[15:08] <Langjan> OK thks will try that
[15:08] <Kilos-> where the card the sim was in
[15:08] <Kilos-> puk is on there
[15:09] <Langjan> Hes lost it long time ago
[15:09] <Kilos-> lol
[15:09] <Kilos-> they will help just call from sim
[15:09] <Langjan> Yes I'm sure
[15:09] <Kilos-> good luck
[15:10] <Langjan> thks
[15:10] <Kilos-> those things always keep in a drwaer somewhere
[15:10] <Langjan> Agreed
[15:10] <Kilos-> one of the options when you call is if you need your puk
[15:11] <Kilos-> puk and pin i think
[15:11] <Kilos-> might be an sms even
[15:11] <Kilos-> wbb nature calls
[15:12] <Langjan> Go well Kilos- and thks again
[15:21] <Kilos-> Langjan remember
[15:22] <Kilos-> when you do an install like that and want to use the backup home you must use the same password
[15:22] <Kilos-> then you shouldnt have any hassles
[15:22] <Kilos-> should end up exactly as before
[15:32] <Langjan> OK thks Kilos- Will remember, but the change from 32 to 64 bit would have complicated things with some apps?
[15:33] <Kilos-> as long as all the new stuff is 64bit and you have muliarch installed it should work i think
[15:34] <Kilos-> muliarch
[15:34] <Kilos-> multiarch
[15:34] <Kilos-> multi something
[15:34] <Langjan> Third time lucky! lmga
[15:34] <Kilos-> lol
[15:34] <Kilos-> head thumping
[15:35] <Langjan> Ai! Jammer. How are your girls?
[15:35] <Kilos-> they ok ty
[15:35] <Langjan> Good. Convey my best wishes
[15:36] <Kilos-> will do ty very much oom jan
[15:36] <Kilos-> being apart is tough 
[15:36] <Langjan> I'm sure its very tough
[15:36] <Kilos-> but need heart working fine before i can think of going back
[15:37] <Kilos-> and the bad internet here makes skype very painful as well
[15:37] <Kilos-> hehe
[15:37] <Kilos-> these things are sent to test us
[15:38] <Kilos-> lemme go work on this router prob
[15:38] <Kilos-> you look after yourself and keep well
[15:38] <Langjan> Strongs. Keep well
[15:38] <Kilos-> regards to the familt
[15:38] <Langjan> thks
[15:38] <Kilos-> family
[15:38] <Langjan> thks will do
[15:38] <Langjan> take good care
[15:39] <Kilos-> will you and you as well
[15:39] <Kilos-> you the rondloper
[15:39] <Langjan> lol
[15:39] <Langjan> to Tzaneen tomorrow
[15:39] <Kilos-> sjoe
[15:39] <Kilos-> go safe
[15:39] <Langjan> thks
[15:40] <Langjan> Hope you sort the router quick
[15:40] <Kilos-> lol me too ty
[15:40] <Langjan> Bye for now
[15:40] <Kilos->  been battling 2 days already
[15:40] <Kilos-> cheers my friend
[15:40] <Langjan> Ai whats the prob
[15:41] <Kilos-> it works well then for some reason the ip addresses change and pcs cant see it
[15:41] <Kilos-> no idea why the ips change
[15:41] <Langjan> sjoe, sterkte daarmee sounds ominous
[15:41] <Kilos-> lol dankie
[15:42] <Langjan> new firmware?
[15:42] <Kilos-> scared to try that in case it gets stuffed up permanently
[15:42] <Kilos-> cant afford to lose connection in the mi=ddle of an upgrade
[15:43] <Langjan> well sounds like its stuffed anyway but scary to do via that connection
[15:43] <Kilos-> then its bricked as they say'
[15:43] <Langjan> yes
[15:43] <Kilos-> lol
[15:43] <Langjan> OK sterkte my vriend
[15:43] <Kilos-> dankie baie , julle ook
[15:44] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos- kry iemand met ADSL lyn en doen die opgradering
[15:44] <Kilos-> een dag ja
[15:44] <Langjan> Mooi loop 
[15:44] <Langjan> cheers
[15:44] <Kilos-> cheers for now
[22:35] <Kilos> fp