[01:04] <Bashing-om> !9.04
[01:04] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 23, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:48] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> bbl shopping
[07:04] <Bashing-om> bbl sleeping
[07:06] <ducasse> good morning
[07:36] <wajideus> if canonical stays with the decision to use gnome 3 as the DE for 18.04, I'm gonna have to jump ship to Kubuntu
[07:41] <Ben64> yeah it's gonna be gnome
[07:42]  * wajideus plugs ears
[07:42] <wajideus> they have 4 years to change their mind, or else
[07:49] <Ben64> i don't see why it matters?
[07:50] <wajideus> it matters because gnome 3 is hideous and extremely buggy
[07:51] <wajideus> I just tried out the latest version of ubuntu gnome earlier today
[07:52] <wajideus> I now have a CD entitled, "A Mentally Handicapped Version Of Ubuntu 16.04" in sharpie
[07:52] <Ben64> but i mean, use whatever DE you want, it's all still ubuntu
[07:52] <ducasse> so you are going to install from another image. big deal...
[07:52] <wajideus> I know I can just switch to Kubuntu
[07:53] <wajideus> I'm just disappointed that canonical chose to officially support the worst possible option
[07:54] <Ben64> lol
[07:54] <ducasse> the worst option in your opinion, not in everyone's.
[07:54] <wajideus> do you think that's a worse non-x option than gnome?
[07:55]  * wajideus raises brow
[07:55] <ducasse> no clue, haven't even tried gnome on wayland _or_ x.
[07:56] <ducasse> but i do know some people like it.
[07:56] <wajideus> gnome 3 isn't even a desktop environment. it's a tablet environment, that fudges up anything that uses gtk2 and breaks plugins and themes with every minor revision
[07:57] <wajideus> ootb, the title bars are about twice as thick as the ones in unity
[07:57] <wajideus> there are no desktop icons by default
[07:58] <wajideus> and the solid black activity bar at the top of the screen is a completely useless waste of screen real-estate
[07:59] <sirru5h> Hey wajideus you have rtl 8188ee wifi adapter?  I got one on my other box and I haven't put linux on it because when I first looked n 2014 there were no drivers
[07:59] <wajideus> yeah
[07:59] <wajideus> one I'm on right now actually
[07:59] <sirru5h> cool i'm going to look around for the drivers see what I can find
[08:00] <sirru5h> its not out of the box support I am figuring correct?
[08:00] <wajideus> nah, it worked out of the box on both ubuntu and arch
[08:01] <sirru5h> oh wow okay well that sounds pretty good I might be running it a dual boot then thanks for the info.  greatly appreciate it.
[08:02] <wajideus> np
[08:02] <sirru5h> btw what was the "hp" value in /etc/modprob
[08:02] <sirru5h> that you were talking about as its an HP machine
[08:03] <wajideus> I think I might have actually been thinking about my sound card. idk. it was something I did a while back on one of my laptops
[08:03] <sirru5h> ahh okay well either way I can figure it out.  I'm semi new to ubuntu but not linux.
[08:05] <wajideus> basically what I was talking about was that the kernel has a hard time distinguishing between certain types of adapters for some reason, so some adapters require you to manually specify something like "hp-laptop" as a hint in the configuration
[08:06] <wajideus> the driver is basically the same, but there's subtle quirks that cause problems
[08:08] <sirru5h> ahh okay makes sense I remember in 98 first using linux I had a 28kbs modem and in order to make it work I had to always manually insmod when I wanted it to work and if I left it in and forgot to rmmod it wouldn't work on the next boot
[08:08] <jink> I have a problem with postfix not being able to bind to my IPv6 address, since the network isn't fully ready yet, despite the "Wants=network-online.target".  https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/280183/65174 seems to be a way to fix that.  Should I do that?
[08:09] <ducasse> jink: ask in #ubuntu
[08:09] <wajideus> in my personal opinion, whole linux driver/library situation is fundamentally fudged
[08:10] <sirru5h> well there are many resources and to be honest for a person just starting that terminal is a bit scarey
[08:11] <wajideus> in an ideal os, there's only 2 things you're concerned about: ipc between kernel and user space, and abstraction of hardware
[08:12] <wajideus> the first problem can be solved by simply passing a vector table through a system call or shared memory (aka. a device context). The second can be solved in user space
[08:13] <wajideus> eg. mapping 8 audio channels down to 2 (7.1 surround -> stereo) with a mixer
[08:13] <wajideus> or blitting one surface to another with a different pixel format
[08:14] <sirru5h> yeah simplifying the solution while dealing with the hardware
[08:15] <sirru5h> also if you would have more resources with less audio channels to deal with
[08:17] <sirru5h> ha that simple solution actually just gave me an idea for something I was working on brb
[10:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:20] <sirru5h> Good morning BluesKaj
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi sirru5h
[11:22] <sirru5h> How are you doing BluesKaj
[11:24] <BluesKaj> sirru5h, fine thanks, and you ?
[11:24] <sirru5h> I think I'm doing alright troubleshooting a few things on my system
[11:26] <sirru5h> two night ago my computer died my dog um chewed up my external hd, she had chewed up the remote for the tv so hd was next i guess
[11:26] <sirru5h> so I been busy installing and decided to try out ubuntu which I had not used in years
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, sounds like your dog has a mineral deficiency in her diet.
[11:31] <sirru5h> haha she also chewed up the leg of our bed about 2 years ago
[11:32] <sirru5h> its alright as it gives me a reason to experiment a bit.  Ubuntu has really come a long way
[11:34] <sirru5h> I've been so used to apt-get and synatpic, but it looks very sleek now. Last time I used ubuntu was maybe hoary hedgehog days
[11:40] <BluesKaj> been a while alright
[11:45] <sirru5h> yup sure has but I'm sure after a few days more I'll feel right at home
[11:45] <BluesKaj> I still prefer KDE, I found out right around the same time (2005) that gnome wasn't my cup o' tea. Unity didn't help either :-)
[11:48] <sirru5h> haha yeah I have been struggling I just am not used to all the flash
[11:49] <sirru5h> that said ubuntu has really improved greatly.
[11:51] <sirru5h> ha seems as if it doesn't have the right stuff to run my bluetooth
[11:58] <BluesKaj> bluetooth apps should be installed by default , but depends on the devices
[12:02] <ad> Is there any way to limit my partners internet speed, He is always downloading some torrent and thus hogging the network. we are on a lan connected through a router. OS on his pc windows 7 and my pc ubuntu. There are parental controls on router but they either block his connection entirely or provide url based filters. Can anyone suggest any neat simple way to limit the speed of his connection so that we others can atleast browse normally.
[12:03] <ducasse> ad: ask in ##networking
[12:03] <ad> ducasse, ok thanks
[12:03] <ducasse> ad: (you want qos)
[12:05] <sirru5h> well gonna reboot see if this works
[12:07] <BluesKaj> ad mpst torrent clients can set a DL limit in options/settings
[12:07] <BluesKaj> most
[12:07] <ad> BluesKaj, but for that i have to access his machine
[12:07] <ducasse> that depends on him agreeing to lower his speed, qos on the router doesn't :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ad , have an adult discussuion with him about his torrent client settings :-)
[12:21] <ad> thanks guys, ducasse, QoS is the way to go. will google the rest.
[12:24] <ducasse> ad: np. be aware that many common (cheap) routers don't support qos in any meaningful way.
[12:25] <ad> ducasse, there are options of setting QoS in tenda (the cheap one i have). Though I need to learn how to setup.
[12:29] <ducasse> ad: the people in ##networking can probably help with that
[12:29] <BluesKaj> ad convince him to use qbittorrent client.if all else fails, one can set download and uploads speeds very easily in the speed options
[12:32] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:34] <ad> BluesKaj, I use qbittorrent in ubuntu. didnt knew it is available for windows too.
[12:34] <ad> its a nice torrent client
[12:35] <ducasse> even exists for mac, iirc
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yup all 3 platforms
[13:18] <LordZedd> Can someone show me the meaning of being lonely
[16:56] <sebsebseb> hi