[00:02] <ricky____`> tomreyn_newpc: it may, but that's a last resort.
[00:03] <tomreyn_newpc> dw1, i *think* you are looking for "remmina". that's the name of the package i think you are looking for.
[00:04] <tomreyn_newpc> devz0r, show the 'lsusb' output line
[00:05] <devz0r> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13b1:002f Linksys AE1000 v1 802.11n [Ralink RT3572]
[00:07] <zukizukito> i tried but only on shutdown it shows kubuntu
[00:08] <minimec> devz0r: can you once do 'iwconfig' and check if "Power Managment" is 'on'?
[00:08] <dw1> tomreyn_newpc: it appears to be a client, not server
[00:09] <tomreyn_newpc> dw1, oh you're looking for a server? vinagre then
[00:09] <tomreyn_newpc> actrually vinagre / vino
[00:10] <dw1> it was built into ubuntu before 17.04
[00:10] <ricky____`> tomreyn_newpc: found out you could attach to caja via gdb. somehow just attaching/detaching fixed it.
[00:10] <zukizukito> i tried updating initramfs and its showing command not found
[00:10] <dw1> " Vino is the default VNC server in Ubuntu" ah
[00:10] <zukizukito> help please
[00:10] <ricky____`> not the greatest feeling in the world to know it sort of "fixed itself", but glad it's fixed regardless. thanks for the assist.
[00:10] <dw1> zukizukito: what cmd did you do tho
[00:11] <devz0r> minimec: I just installed 16.10 back and I'm on it right now. But I wanted to use either the LTS or the newest version. I guess it's hard to troubleshoot when I'm not using the right one. I guess I just was wondering if you think it's like a kernel issue or a network-manager issue or what
[00:11] <zukizukito> sudo update-initramfs -u
[00:12] <dw1> apparetly i have vino it's just not in the menu
[00:12] <dw1> hmm
[00:12] <Random832> i think it's considered a system tool rather than an application
[00:12] <devz0r> minimec: Currently, on 16.10 which works, power management is "On"
[00:12] <tomreyn_newpc> ricky____`, cool, glad you were able to solve it.
[00:12] <Random832> it's been a while since i used a desktop environment though
[00:13] <minimec> devz0r: It could be a power managment issue, like after some idle time the device goes into 'power save' mode and cannot wake up again. As it works in other ubuntu versions, this might be the first step I would do. Set 'power managment' 'off'
[00:14] <tomreyn_newpc> devz0r, so the open source driver for this chipset is rt2800usb, which is basically a dead project apparently. and there is a vendor driver at https://www.mediatek.com/products/broadbandWifi/rt5572 (you'd need to click the apple icon since they misplaced the download links)
[00:15] <catbeard> can anyone suggest an ubuntu 16.04.2 lts equivalent to Spotlight for MacOSX
[00:16] <zukizukito> please help wth plymouth
[00:18] <tomreyn_newpc> catbeard, you could install additional lenses and use the dash search
[00:19] <tomreyn_newpc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-are-available
[00:22] <tomreyn_newpc> catbeard, a web search suggests 'cerebro' does what you're looking for
[00:24] <tomreyn_newpc> !ask | zukizukito
[00:24] <minimec> zukizukito: Di you install some additional plymouth themes? If that is true, do 'sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth' once in a terminal a nd choose the theme.
[00:27] <zukizukito> no , i didnt at first but after i lost the graphical screen , i installed but worked only on shutdown and on bootin gup it shows ubuntu in a line
[00:31] <minimec> zukizukito: So basically the system is running, only playmouth is not running at boot, but working for shutdown. Right? you could do 'sudo dpkg reconfigure plymouth'. Still you could try 'sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth' once.
[00:32] <zukizukito> let me try
[00:32] <zukizukito> thankyou
[00:33] <zukizukito> but now i installed another theme and i want to do update-initramfs -u but i cant
[00:33] <catbeard> tomreyn_newpc: excellent suggestion thank you!
[00:33] <on3pk> How much of a problem is it if I never, ever restart a linux server?  Like, I have an uptime of 151 days, and there is a (!) by it
[00:33] <minimec> zukizukito: Could be that something is preventing plymouth to start @boot. but as long as my system boots correctly i normally don't care.
[00:34] <zukizukito> is it because i have kali on dual boot
[00:35] <tomreyn_newpc> catbeard, it's not part of ubuntu, though, and does not seem to be available form a PPA either. i only saw a .deb package on github.
[00:35] <YankDownUnder> on3pk: It could possibly mean that there are urgent updates to complete - and a reboot is required.
[00:35] <on3pk> Oh ok
[00:36] <doomlord> gnome-shell, installed over xubuntu:  Does anyone know what might stop GUI applications from being launched by the command-line?
[00:36] <tomreyn_newpc> on3pk, you can't apply kernel and some other updates unless you either reboot or do live kernel patching.
[00:36] <on3pk> well in that case, I might as well reboot
[00:37] <YankDownUnder> on3pk: Uptime is great...but updates are great, too.
[00:37] <minimec> zukizukito: which one of you two linux systems is managing grub? That could indeed have some influence. If KaliLinux manages grub and is configured without plymouth, it could be that you don't have graphical boot on ubuntu.
[00:37] <catbeard> works pretty nicely
[00:37] <tomreyn_newpc> on3pk, https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch + https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/10/20/live-kernel-patching-from-canonical-now-available-for-ubuntu/
[00:38] <catbeard> sort of
[00:38] <on3pk> YankDownUnder: updates are probably far more important than uptime
[00:39] <YankDownUnder> on3pk: There was a time when "uptime" was so so so cool...however, security and updates have rather overshadowed that...and since most things work rather flawlessly nowadays...well...there ya go...
[00:40] <tomreyn_newpc> on3pk, depends on your use case. most of the time they are. but for things like virtualization hosts (hypervisors / compute nodes) or storage servers this isn't always easily achieved.
[00:41] <tomreyn_newpc> for a desktop, you should definitely reboot
[00:43] <zukizukito> minimec so how do i fix that
[00:45] <on3pk> tomreyn_newpc: those are exciting things which I'm not doing.  I need to just reboot.
[00:46] <dw1> ah in 17.04 vino-server doesn't detect remote desktop being enabled by vino-preferences
[00:46] <dw1> hrm
[00:47] <dw1> oh vino-preferences is reading from somewhere else now - had to reenable
[00:47] <minimec> zukizukito: Is it really that important? PLymouth itself is configured with the 'update-alternative' command I gave you. To enable plymouth during boot you need to add 'quiet splash' in /etc/defualt/grub @ GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="", and do a 'sudo update-grub' after you did these changes. Yet if Kalilinux handles grub, that might be different.
[00:48] <zukizukito> thank you minimec
[00:49] <minimec> zukizukito: No problem... ;)
[00:49] <zukizukito> its just that little things irritate me a lot
[00:51] <minimec> zukizukito: In my case I have to manually disable plymouth to get my nvidia gtx1060 running @boot... ;) But I can understand you.
[00:51] <zukizukito> minimec: i dont have a nvidia ,so im cool with plymouth :D
[00:52] <vex8ion> Hello...
[00:53] <zukizukito> hello
[00:53] <minimec> zukizukito: Did you install kalilinux after ubuntu? In that case, Kali probably handles grub. And be aware, that a kernel update will only taken into account if you update grub on the system that manages grub.
[00:53] <zukizukito> minimec: yea , so i have to do all the stuff , i tried here in kali ?
[00:54] <zukizukito> sounds like more work
[00:55] <zukizukito> minimec: lol, m already feeling like giving plymouth some time off :D
[00:56] <minimec> zukizukito: If you installed grub into the master boot sector during installation, then yes. But you could force ubuntu to take over grub again by doing 'sudo grub-install /dev/<your first harddrive>. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[00:56] <zukizukito> minimec : but is it possible that i could configure my ubuntu boot screen from kali ?
[00:58] <zukizukito> minimec : everything was fine until today evening when i apt-get upgrade kali
[00:59] <vex8ion> Curious if someone would help me understand and install these { http://paste.ubuntu.com/24489770/plain/ } instructions to install Trelby. Thank you...
[01:00] <mguy> vex8ion: can't view that without a ubuntu login
[01:00] <minimec> zukizukito: You probably can but it might also have some influence on the 'recovery mode' boot options. I normally don't want these to boot with plymouth.
[01:01] <mguy> vex8ion: I got the link to work. what part of the instructions do you not understand?
[01:02] <zukizukito> so if i want my bootscreen back , i should get grub back from kali , right ?
[01:02] <latino31> can you execute timeout and echo together on one command line...like timeout 15m python3 python script then echo then echo...?
[01:03] <vex8ion> mguy: I tried to install the deb file but it didn't work and I find there is a malfunction with the install I'm new to this so a bit confused too.
[01:04] <minimec> zukizukito: If you start your computer without touching it, which linux sysm is booting?
[01:04] <Sparrow__> vex8ion, Start by not going outside our repos and installing things
[01:05] <zukizukito> at first it was kali , but then i configured grub from kali and made it to ubuntu
[01:05] <vex8ion> sparrow__: ? repos?
[01:05] <mguy> vex8ion: what deb are you talking about
[01:06] <mguy> vex8ion: this one? http://www.trelby.org/files/release/2.2/trelby_2.2_all.deb
[01:06] <Sparrow__> vex8ion, Our repositories of istallable softare using synaptic, apt, aptitude etc
[01:06] <mguy> vex8ion: what do you mean it "didn't work"
[01:07] <zukizukito> minimec : and i even put up a background image for grub menu :D
[01:07] <vex8ion> oops
[01:08] <minimec> zukizukito: So you have the following case: Kali os booting with the options defined in "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" in /etc/default/grub, which is probably "". If you add "quiet splash" there you will probably also have plymouth for ubuntu, but all your recovery boot options will also boot with plymouth... (I don't like that)
[01:08] <vex8ion> mguy: When I open this link to download Trelby to install { Debian/Ubuntu [Download 1.4MB]   } it open an install box and then fails to install
[01:09] <vex8ion> mguy: when I look on the internet as to why there is a confilct that others have run into as well
[01:09] <zukizukito> minimec : so what are you suggesting ? should i install grub back in ubuntu ?
[01:09] <mguy> vex8ion: try going to the terminal and install the .deb file using dpkg
[01:10] <minimec> zukizukito: I would probably do so.
[01:10] <vex8ion> mguy: lisa@theStudio:~$ sudo dpkg -i trelby_2.2_all.deb [sudo] password for lisa:  dpkg: error processing archive trelby_2.2_all.deb (--install):  cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing:  trelby_2.2_all.deb lisa@theStudio:~$
[01:10] <mguy> vex8ion: sounds like your download is goofy
[01:11] <vex8ion> When look as to why I found this post "Indeed Trelby would not be compatible with the latest version of Ubuntu, which was released yesterday. I recall there was a thread where fixes for wx3.0 were discussed. We should include these new patches and cut a release."
[01:11] <zukizukito> minimec : then lemme get my grub back ;D
[01:12] <Sparrow__> vex8ion, feel free to learn how to do it or contribute funds to those that do
[01:12] <minimec> zukizukito: If I have multiple linux systems on one machine, I set grub to the system I use most...
[01:13] <mguy> vex8ion: I downloaded the .deb and it's asking me to install those python packages
[01:15] <mguy> vex8ion: the message 'cannot access archive:' leads me to believe you are not running dpkg in the same place you downloaded the file to
[01:16] <Sparrow__> mguy, agreed..  try ls
[01:17] <vex8ion> mguy: I am finding code and trying to figure this out on my own. I have reformated and reinstalled the ubuntu studio so many times afraid to ask help.
[01:18] <vex8ion> mguy: what I ran was off the net I kinda know what I am doing but just not enough. I am ever greatful for any help.
[01:19] <Sparrow__> Dependency not satisfiable python wxgtk 2.8
[01:19] <zukizukito> minimec :thanks a lot for helping
[01:19] <vex8ion> mguy: How do I tell it to install from where I have to file downloaded? I  know how to find it and found out by accident copy paste will get me the location.
[01:19] <minimec> zukizukito: No problem ;)
[01:21] <minimec> zukizukito: Always keep in mind that you need to do a grub update on the 'master system' if you have a kernel update on the 'slave'... ;)
[01:28] <pondus85> hello, bear with me, im new to this. im running ubuntu server with plex server Sonarr etc. im having problems with programs etc. not getting access to directories. everything is set up with sudo user. any tip on what im doing wrong/need to fix?
[01:29] <Ben64> pondus85: explain the issue
[01:30] <Bidouiller> Hi all, is there a help channel ?
[01:30] <Ben64> Bidouiller: you're in it
[01:30] <Bidouiller> Easy, but too nerd.. want to run a game on another tty
[01:31] <Bidouiller> how can i start x on tty6 for example and run my game ?
[01:32] <pondus85> i have folders set up, but when i try to select a folder there for it to automate it says "user" doesent have permission to folder. but i only have 1 user on the server. thought it had all permissions?
[01:32] <pondus85> in sonarr that is
[01:33] <Ben64> pondus85: no, the normal user should not have all permissions all the time, that is unsafe
[01:33] <tomreyn_newpc> Bidouiller, have you considered workspaces instead?
[01:33] <tomreyn_newpc> (AKA 'virtual desktops')
[01:34] <pondus85> so how do i go forward to give programs that need it permission to directories? :)
[01:34] <pondus85> i have same issues with samba server. probably easy, but i have been trying to figure this out for a week.. setting up my first ubuntu server
[01:35] <Ben64> pondus85: can you give more details
[01:36] <Bidouiller> tomreyn_newpc: what do you mean ? running the game in another workspace ?
[01:37] <vex8ion> Y'all, have a great rest of your day...
[01:39] <pondus85> hmm hard to explain for a n00bie.. hehe. different programs same issue. 2 examples, Sonarr: when choosing a path for files to download to, i get an error. "user" does not have permission to access.     same with Samba file share. if i create a shared directory with Webmin, i can see the folder on my windows desktop, but u wont get access to the directory
[01:40] <bonalink> jjjj
[01:40] <bonalink> yyyy
[01:41] <bonalink> kjhkj
[01:41] <Ben64> pondus85: those are the same details
[01:44] <mihalski_> is there ANY way to do a minimal Ubuntu install? I've literally tried installing it about 10 times in the last 2 days
[01:44] <pondus85> sorry, dont know what details i need to give.. i need to be able to give programs permission to modify folders and subfolders. ony way i get it to work is if i give the 777 permision to the folder, something i dont want to do...
[01:44] <mihalski_> even ubuntu server where I ask it not to install base system utilities installs a bunch of extra crap I don't want or need
[01:45] <Bidouiller> Ben64: Any idea ?
[01:45] <bonalink> ;lk;
[01:46] <Bashing-om> !minimal | mihalski_
[01:47] <Ben64> pondus85: actual details, what folders, what are you trying to accomplish
[01:47] <bonalink> ?>
[01:48] <mihalski_> ubottu: I tried that.. had to make it uefi compatible.. it installed less (though still much more than debian does).. I though it was ok.. but whenever I booted I couldn't get anything on the screen
[01:48] <mihalski_> POSSIBLY because when I installed the usb drive was sad and the internal drive was sdb
[01:48] <mihalski_> it did manage to boot once
[01:49] <mihalski_> then I added net.ifnames=0 to the grub config.. updated grub and rebooted.. and no more booting
[01:49] <mihalski_> still nothing on screen
[01:49] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: Minimal install .. no GUI until you install one .
[01:49] <Ben64> i don't think mini.iso supports uefi
[01:49] <mihalski_> no text interface at all?
[01:49] <mihalski_> how are you supposed to use it? telepathy?
[01:49] <rizonz> when I compile a package whicvh is not authenticated and I also want to let it overwrite another file... what can can I set ? I already use --allow-unauthenticated
[01:50] <pondus85> my file path is: /home/user/Downloads <-- need to have correct permissions for Downloads and all its sub-folders and files, does that help more?
[01:50] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: Well, you boot to terminal, yes .
[01:50] <Ben64> pondus85: yep. looks like you messed up your permissions already
[01:50] <mihalski_> no.. no terminal
[01:50] <mihalski_> black screen
[01:50] <Ben64> pondus85: what is the output of ls -ld /home/user/Downloads
[01:50] <mihalski_> I used https://onetransistor.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/install-ubuntu-minimal-cd-uefi-enabled.html to create the minimal efi usb
[01:50] <mihalski_> like I said.., only concerning thing was that the usb because the first block device
[01:51] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: But, as you have discovered, no UEFI support out of the box .
[01:51] <mihalski_> so maybe it creates a half broken install/boot process
[01:51] <mihalski_> don't know
[01:52] <bumblefuzz> I'm having trouble installing my graphics cards
[01:53] <bumblefuzz> I've installed the driver
[01:53] <pondus85> atm it is: drwxrwsrwx 3 andremelst andremelst 4096 Apr 30 17:27 /home/andremelst/Downloads because i testet with 777 just to see if that worked.
[01:53] <bumblefuzz> and rebooted
[01:54] <Ben64> pondus85: and does it?
[01:54] <pondus85> if i put it to 777 it works, but i have to redo it on all new sub folders i would create. and i dont wana keep it on 777 as its not very safe.. :p
[01:55] <Ben64> put it back to 755
[01:55] <Ben64> which is the default for directories
[01:57] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: Guide looks doable, maybe a tad dated . So what results when you reboot ? do you not get a terminal to log into the system ?
[02:01] <pondus85> well, i dunno why, but earlier i had to do 777 to get folders to work. but after doing 755 again it seems things still work. hmm. well i dont know why, but at least it works. thanks! ... sorry for the n00b questions. trying to learn this. hehe
[02:04] <mihalski_> Bashing-om: well it booted, installed,, and then I assume it booted because I could ssh into it.. black screen, no grub, no boot process visible.. I made a change.. rebooted.. never came back up.. so I'm back to installing the ubuntu server and trying to figure out what I can apt-get remove --purge :/
[02:05] <mihalski_> I bet there's AT LEAST 100 packages I do not need
[02:07] <Ben64> mihalski_: maybe ubuntu isn't for you
[02:08] <mihalski_> I'd use debian if it had lxd.. but ubuntu is the next best thing for me
[02:09] <Ben64> not sure what you think you need to remove from a server install though
[02:13] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: Keep in mind; IF installing in EFI mode, for the boot code will have to have a boot/efi  partition  .
[02:15] <mihalski_>  Yeah. I'm honestly not sure how it installed as I neglected to check before the first and final reboot :/
[02:16] <mihalski_> And I want to remove as much as possible. ESPECIALLY any services I won't use.
[02:16] <Ben64> so you're creating a problem where there isn't one
[02:17] <mihalski_> it's a problem because resources are limited
[02:18] <Ben64> it's not a problem because you don't even know if you need to remove anything
[02:20] <mihalski_> well I know that debian for example starts instantly without all the star stuff that gets started on this ubuntu server and causes it to start 10 times slower (which admittedly is still fast), but the point is if it's not needed why have it?
[02:20] <Ben64> star stuff?
[02:20] <mihalski_> start
[02:20] <Ben64> what start stuff
[02:23] <mihalski_> that will take me a little while to find out.. have to switch hdmi cables.. wait for the crappy dell monitor to decide that it has a signal and should turn on and then reboot.. monitor not connected to the ubuntu machine at the moment
[02:23] <pondus85> well im back again, problem is still here regarding access to folders. got error in sabnzbd :Post Processing Failed for The West Wing S04 720p WEB-DL AAC20 H264-MC (Cannot create final folder /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus/complete/tv/The West Wing S04 720p WEB-DL AAC20 H264-MC)
[02:23] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: ?? my 14.04 core install boots to terminal in under 5 seconds .
[02:24] <Ben64> pondus85: what user is that running as
[02:25] <Bashing-om> mihalski_: ^^ this on old old hardware :)
[02:25] <pondus85> how do i check that? i thought all programs installed, configured would use my user? i only have my user made on the server
[02:25] <Ben64> pondus85: ps aux | grep sab
[02:26] <doubtful> how to prove linear programming is P-complete
[02:26] <pondus85> that gives me: andreme+ 25972 17.9  4.7 4808496 1179132 ?     Sl   Apr30  48:53 /usr/bin/python                                                                                                                                                              /usr/bin/sabnzbdplus --config-file /usr/share/sabnzbdplus/sabnzbdplus.ini --log
[02:26] <pondus85>                                                                                               ging 1 --daemon --browser 1
[02:26] <pondus85> ups, sorry for spam
[02:30] <Ben64> pondus85: use http://hastebin.com and show the output of "ls -ld /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus/complete/tv/ /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus/complete /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus /home/andremelst/Downloads"
[02:34] <pondus85> drwxr-sr-x 2 root andremelst 4096 Apr 30 23:22 /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus/complete/tv/
[02:34] <pondus85> drwxr-sr-x 6 andremelst andremelst 4096 Apr 30 23:52 /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus/complete
[02:34] <pondus85> drwxr-sr-x 4 andremelst andremelst 4096 Apr 30 17:27 /home/andremelst/Downloads/sabnzbdplus
[02:34] <pondus85> drwxr-sr-x 3 andremelst andremelst 4096 Apr 30 17:27 /home/andremelst/Downloads
[02:34] <willywonka> Cant install grub on ubuntu.  It says cant install on ext2
[02:35] <willywonka> Please help
[02:35] <Ben64> pondus85: you were supposed to use hastebin. but there you go, root owns the tv directory
[02:35] <thatlizdude> so i am trying to mount Windows 8 partition, but it gives me an error that "Windows is hibernated, refused to mount."
[02:36] <Ben64> thatlizdude: yep
[02:36] <thatlizdude> what can I do? I already tried actually pressing the shut down button
[02:36] <pynki> turn off the fast boot thing in windows
[02:36] <pynki> then it really shuts down
[02:36] <thatlizdude> i don't have the password for Windows
[02:36] <thatlizdude> so i can't
[02:37] <pynki> you could crash it...
[02:37] <willywonka> Hack.windows
[02:37] <thatlizdude> i am trying to mount it to remove the password from Windows xD
[02:37] <Ben64> then you can't
[02:37] <pondus85> sorry i did, but i copied of the website. never used it before... so i will have to use chown command to change the tv folder? dont know why that is different from the others.. hmm. thanks again tho!
[02:37] <thatlizdude> damn
[02:37] <thatlizdude> so there's no way to reset the password?
[02:38] <Ben64> thatlizdude: ##windows for windows support
[02:38] <thatlizdude> ok thnx
[02:38] <pynki> you forget your password?
[02:38] <thatlizdude> i am removing it for someone else who forgot it
[02:38] <willywonka> You can,  create a live usb and navigate to system 32
[02:38] <Ben64> willywonka: nope
[02:39] <willywonka> Why not?
[02:39] <Ben64> for the reason above
[02:39] <thatlizdude> i already managed to fuck it up so badly so it wouldn't even boot (black screen), then it finally gave me a restore option so I restored it and now I'm back in the password screen
[02:39] <willywonka> Cant he use the cmd and change password?
[02:40] <thatlizdude> how am i gonna get to cmd?
[02:41] <willywonka> Make a live usb  ,  navigate through your windows files and change cmd to magnifier and then use the accessibility options on windows login and magnifier   voila you have cmd
[02:41] <willywonka> System 32 you have to go and find cmd
[02:41] <willywonka> I saw that in am article on techworm
[02:42] <pondus85> so to change ownership of the directory do i type: sudo chown -R andremelst andremelst /Downloads?
[02:43] <willywonka> I hope you understood
[02:45] <willywonka> Somebody please help me, cant install grub on ubuntu, it says grub cant be installed on ext2
[02:46] <willywonka> I have a dual boot   ,  ubuntu and kali. But the master boot is written by kali but i wanna change thay
[02:49] <thatlizdude> and i can't open Ubuntu Software
[02:49] <thatlizdude> what can i do about that?
[02:50] <thatlizdude> i'm not sure why it doesn't want to launch
[02:50] <willywonka> Im sure you can get things by apt-get
[02:50] <willywonka> Try that
[02:50] <thatlizdude> i can't get chntpw by that
[02:51] <thatlizdude> i need to enable the community stuff or whatever it's called
[02:54] <thatlizdude> Ben64: just if you're wondering, you can actually shut the Windows down by holding Shift and pressing Shutdown
[02:55] <pondus85> what am i doing wrong trying to change owner? sorry again, trying to learn, and dont understand everything i find on google... :/ https://hastebin.com/ohizobugoc.rb
[03:07] <PipeItToDevNull> pondus85, Your path
[03:07] <PipeItToDevNull> sudo chown -R name ~/foo
[03:07] <pondus85> i figured it out :)
[03:07] <pondus85> tx :)
[03:11] <AndroUser> Hi bunchies
[03:21] <edenist_> hey!
[03:27] <edenist_> is anyone else having issues with their file system going readonly after the latest HWE kernel update on 16.04? [4.8.0-66-generic]
[03:33] <arooni> i have ubuntu 16.04; and recently i've bee seeing two menu bars for each app even when its maximaized  https://screencloud.net/v/5Pups ; how to fix?
[04:10] <edenist_> ok, for those keeping track in the future, I've found the problem. APST was added to 4.11, which was then backported to 4.8. The latest HWE kernel includes this update, which breaks the samsung nvme drives used in XPS15s. [https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195039].
[04:16] <doge-doge> is anyone here using Corebird as their twitter client?
[04:21] <snowkidind> if I add a new cronjob using crontab -e do I have to restart the server to get it going?
[04:21] <snowkidind> its an amazon machine image
[04:22] <krytarik> No.
[04:22] <snowkidind> sudo service cron stop
[04:22] <snowkidind> ?
[04:22] <snowkidind> thanks
[04:23] <xubuntu22d> hello could anybody help assist me to properly install a viewer used to access SecondLife Please? I have been trying for several hours... it is called "Firestorm Viewer"  it shows that it is installed when i right click the desktop/ under Internet... but it does not execute when i click on it
[04:30] <linuxliaison> +Zi
[04:30] <linuxliaison> blegh, I have no idea how to use irssi XD Sorry
[04:38] <xubuntu22d> hello is anybody here familiar with using SecondLife with Xubuntu?
[04:40] <robotti^> xubuntu22d: what about that?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu22d: https://askubuntu.com/questions/579806/how-to-install-second-life
[04:41] <elucidator> second life?
[04:42] <xubuntu22d> yes its a virtual reality type platform i use to stream my guitar concerts to all over the world
[04:42] <xubuntu22d> thank you lotuspsychje im checking that out
[04:44] <snowkidind> ok here's one - in pico I want to ditch multiple identical lines in a log file - I can ^\ myString, but I need to also delete the carriage returns and it doesnt seem to be responding to \n or \r. Is this possible?
[04:44] <xubuntu22d> hello could anybody help assist me to properly install a viewer used to access SecondLife Please? I have been trying for several hours... it is called "Firestorm Viewer"  it shows that is installed when i right click the desktop/ under Internet... but it does not execute when i click on it... all other audio/video is working great in other programs/apps such as youtube
[04:46] <wiggmpk> Really annoying, upgraded from 16.04.2 --> 17.04 and can't type a tilde, but F5-F7 gives me a tilde in terminal. How do I fix this?
[04:49] <xubuntu22d> lotuspsychje that is exactly what i did using Firestorm viewer instead but there seems to be something missing im doing incorrectly still... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgi18cfdXIg is an example of what im following
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu22d: this usefull? https://askubuntu.com/questions/155289/how-do-i-install-the-firestorm-viewer-for-second-life
[05:09] <xubuntu22d> interesting lotuspsychje ... im actually trying to do this to dual-stream with an incredibly talented violinista from Amsterdam named Naftali Torok!
[05:13] <latino31> any gui cron programs in the latest ubuntu
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> !cron | latino31
[05:23] <B105PH3RE> any help with my cd drive keeps ejecting all the time ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[05:24] <B105PH3RE> any way to see if its hardware or software doing it?
[05:25] <B105PH3RE> found a security notice which I have to update for https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/141840/Ubuntu-Security-Notice-USN-3246-1.html
[05:26] <B105PH3RE> sorry I have the update
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> B105PH3RE: update your system to latest always, for security
[05:26] <B105PH3RE> it it
[05:26] <B105PH3RE> it is
[05:27] <B105PH3RE> only update it needed today was vbox
[05:27] <B105PH3RE> where can I see the logs for cdrom drive eject requests?
[05:27] <B105PH3RE> couldn't find anything in the dmesg or syslog
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> B105PH3RE: did you change anything hardware lately?
[05:30] <B105PH3RE> nope
[05:30] <B105PH3RE> its a new laptop from xmas
[05:30] <B105PH3RE> fresh xubuntu 16.04 install
[05:30] <B105PH3RE> haven't tried a live usb yet but wanted to try work through it some other way
[05:31] <B105PH3RE> don't want to re/re the system cuz all the games would need to be redownloaded.... :(
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> B105PH3RE: check your version with lsb_release -a plz?
[05:32] <B105PH3RE> xenial 16.04.02 lts
[05:32] <B105PH3RE> no lsb modules
[05:32] <latino31> im getting an error with a echo set at certain time but the commands work fine without echo but i guess a bash error with echo?
[05:32] <latino31> guess = get
[05:37] <theablestman> hello how do i remove ubuntu encryption key?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> B105PH3RE: the eject command works good from terminal?
[05:40] <B105PH3RE> neg
[05:41] <B105PH3RE> sometimes I get prompt sometimes I get a error /dev/cdrom
[05:41] <B105PH3RE> unable to find open device 'cdrom'
[05:41] <B105PH3RE> lotuspsychje: brb gonna reboot
[05:41] <B105PH3RE> quit
[05:44] <B105PH3RE> back
[05:54] <theablestman> wb
[05:54] <theablestman> lotuspsychje, hello
[05:54] <theablestman> how do i remove my encryption key?
[06:00] <wajideus> Welp. After a stab at Arch, I got fed up with X window flickering and totally shitty clipboard integration, so I came running back
[06:02] <wajideus> one thing that I've certainly noticed though is that linux makes all of my laptops retardedly hot
[06:02] <B105PH3RE> probably alot faster too?
[06:02] <wajideus> no
[06:03] <wajideus> just really loud, and really hot
[06:03] <B105PH3RE> well thats the case for me but i'm using lightweight x window managers
[06:03] <wajideus> like, for no explicable reason
[06:03] <B105PH3RE> video you have in it?
[06:03] <wajideus> doesn't matter
[06:03] <wajideus> it's a repeating problem on 3 separate laptops
[06:03] <B105PH3RE> some systems have auto fan features that linux may not be using properly
[06:03] <wajideus> 2 of which dual boot windows 7 and 10
[06:04] <B105PH3RE> had that probablem with my hd5830 video cards
[06:04] <wajideus> we're talking about 3 completely separate beasts here though
[06:04] <B105PH3RE> laptops need regular maintenance on there internal fans also
[06:05] <wajideus> one of the laptops is a macbook pro, one's a dell inspiron, and the one i'm using right now is an hp pavilion
[06:05] <wajideus> a brand new one at that
[06:05] <wajideus> barely a month old
[06:05] <B105PH3RE> there you have it
[06:05] <B105PH3RE> new systems run hotter and at higher freq's
[06:05] <wajideus> nope
[06:06] <wajideus> the other 2 are old laptops (models at circa 2000)
[06:06] <wajideus> in really well kept and clean shape
[06:06] <wajideus> this isn't a user error, it's just proof that linux sucks at power management
[06:07] <wajideus> neither osx or windows have this problem
[06:09] <B105PH3RE> lotuspsychje: thanx for you help, i'll keep troubleshooting it.
[06:09] <wajideus> not trying to be an anti-linux dick here; ubuntu has been my os of choice for several years now. This is just an issue that I've noticed which annoys me
[06:10] <wajideus> my inspiron and macbook get so hot that i can't even keep them on my lap because they literally burn me
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !language | wajideus
[06:11] <wajideus> I swear I could pop corn kernels on the air coming out of the vent on the inspiron
[06:12] <YankDownUnder> Exactly how much time and research have gone into resolving the "heat" issues you're having, wajideus?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> wajideus: dont paste random stories here mate, keep it on your issue
[06:12] <Bashing-om> !info lm-sensors xenail | wa
[06:13] <Bashing-om> !info lm-sensors xenial | wajideus
[06:13] <wajideus> 3 completely different laptop models from 3 completely different manufactures, all dual booting either osx, win7, and win10 for side comparison
[06:14] <wajideus> I think that's enough research to qualify this as an issue with the os itself
[06:14] <wajideus> unless you think i should buy 3 more laptops for further verification
[06:15] <ArisBarker> hi all
[06:15] <wajideus> I know about things like optirun, but I qualify that as an unintuitive bandaid to something that should be done by the kernel
[06:16] <ArisBarker> newbie here
[06:16] <wajideus> launching an application in a special way just to choosing how much performance I want is ridiculous
[06:20] <Ben64> wajideus: this isn't the rant channel unfortunately
[06:21] <wajideus> pointing out a problem with the os that I'm currently using on it's support channel is considered a rant
[06:21] <wajideus> gotcha
[06:21] <Ben64> support channel, you're not asking for support
[06:22] <wajideus> I'm not quite sure how I should word "it makes laptops absurdly hot and loud" in bug-report terms
[06:24] <wajideus> I figured i could catch a dev or two on the support channel who probably doesn't use other os's enough to have noticed the different
[06:24] <Ben64> not the right place for that still, maybe ##linux
[06:25] <YankDownUnder> #ubuntu-devel
[06:25] <ElectrumGuy> Hi, how can I install flash on ubuntu 14.04 so it'll work in chromedriver?
[06:26] <wajideus> maybe...Idk, but I sort of figured that linux had a whole bunch of options for dealing with stuff like this; so it could be a configuration error.
[06:26] <Ben64> it could be
[06:28] <wajideus> I mean, android runs on linux and my phone gets a pretty decent amount of battery life without turning my thigh red just being in my pocket
[06:28] <YankDownUnder> When faced with "overheating" issues, I've always seemed to be able to locate/modify/resolve the issue...given time and given patience. But that's just me.
[06:29] <wajideus> :(
[06:30] <wajideus> i came to ubuntu because I value my time too much to diddle with pointless stuff
[06:30] <wajideus> it's like, a free os x
[06:31] <YankDownUnder> Finding a resolution is not "pointless" nor is it "diddling". The key to success is patience and persistence.
[06:31] <wajideus> my time is valuable. I shouldn't have to find resolutions to problems I'm not the cause of. that's just agile philosphy
[06:32] <wajideus> I do it, but i don't like to
[06:33] <danakil> hi ! I'm triying to install the latest Kubuntu (zesty) from an USB stick. I always ends to a "no init found : try passing init= bootarg" in the console, then an initramfs prompt. Already tried on two USB sticks et on my 2 computers, checked the iso, tried with unetbootin on linux/windows, tried with usb-creator-gtk...
[06:33] <danakil> I have been using Kubuntu since Breezy Badger I think and it's the first time that I'm stuck like this
[06:34] <YankDownUnder> danakil: When you originally partitioned the USB(s), did you make sure to mark the partition as bootable?
[06:34] <wajideus> could be that your /boot/efi/loader needs some love
[06:35] <danakil> that's a good question but I never bothered about that in the past. My pc boots correctly on the usb and my first computer is an old one (no uefi) and the second one is a laptop with uefi
[06:36] <danakil> I even tried to remove all hard drive on my computer and keep only the usb stick
[06:36] <danakil> (and sorry for my broken english)
[06:36] <wajideus> when you repartition a drive, the partuuid changes. you might want to use blkid to double check that your usb's partuuid matches the one in your efi loader config
[06:37] <wajideus> you could also change it to point directly at the device as well i think
[06:38] <wajideus> root=PARTUUID=xxxxxx...  -->  root=/dev/sdaX
[06:38] <danakil> ok but I'm not sure how to do that. I always use my usb sticks to put linux Isos and I never had any problem, I just put the usb stick in the computer then install the ISO on it with unetbootin
[06:39] <danakil> you says that I should repartition my USB stick before installing the ISO on it ?
[06:39]  * wajideus shrugs. no idea then. i was just presuming that your loader couldn't find the initramfs image
[06:40] <wajideus> which suggests that either your root file system probably wasn't mounted correctly
[06:40] <wajideus> or the /boot wasn't
[06:40] <YankDownUnder> danakil: Partition the USB. Use whatever it is you're using to put the ISO on it. Make sure you mark the partition as bootable.
[06:41] <danakil> OK, I will try to reformat the usb instead of simply formatting it
[06:41] <danakil> even if my usb stick is actually bootable
[06:41] <danakil> do you recommend a specific tool to do that ?
[06:43] <danakil> And Fat32 ?
[06:43] <wajideus> oh god no
[06:43] <wajideus> never use fat with linux
[06:43] <steve> hi
[06:43] <audicat> you can use fat with linux? my god
[06:43] <wajideus> for security reasons, it'll make everything unexecutable
[06:43] <audicat> why
[06:44] <wajideus> fat filesystem don't have a field for the 'x' bit
[06:44] <danakil> I never use Fat with my hard drives but I was wondering if this was my problem with these bootable usb sticks...
[06:45] <wajideus> that could definitely be why
[06:45] <danakil> maybe, I will try to reformat them in FAT32 (althought I think I always use Fat32 for bootable usb sticks)
[06:45] <danakil> in Ext4
[06:46] <wajideus> the bootloader could try to run the init file, fail because there's no 'x' bit, and some poor error handling code might go something like: 'if not exec, then it doesn't exist!'
[06:46] <wajideus> your best options are ext4 (most popular), btrfs, and xfs
[06:47] <danakil> yep, thank you, I will do that right now
[06:47] <gogeta> btrfs forever
[06:48] <davidj> Playing with btrfs at the moment
[06:48] <gogeta> davidj, btrfs has more pwerfull backup tools like the abilty to snapshot
[06:48] <davidj> Thusfar, I like it. Much of what I read about it seems to be fud
[06:48] <danakil> but I'm wondering... if the ubuntu bootable usb sticks are not intended to works in Fat32, why can one create them with unetbootin for Windows
[06:48] <davidj> Yeah that's a big part of my decision to use it gogeta
[06:49] <davidj> I'm only using it for backups of my backups though :P
[06:49] <wajideus> because fat32 exists, sadly
[06:50] <danakil> ok, I understand that Fat32 is not the best choice for this but It should works nevertheless...
[06:50] <gogeta> danakil, the live cd uses squish fs the format of your stick does not matter it loads from that read only imiage
[06:50] <wajideus> good for xp and 7, bad for nix
[06:50] <danakil> anyway, I will try in ext4
[06:50] <gogeta> wajideus, if anything fat32 is easer to manage across all platforms then say ntfs or ext4
[06:51] <danakil> ok gogeta but I don't know what else I can try so that I can install zesty
[06:51] <gogeta> at east for data drives a syste drive should be native
[06:51] <wajideus> it's a simpler format, but it lacks support for journaling and execution bits
[06:52] <wajideus> and it also doesn't support large files
[06:52] <gogeta> danakil, you can try rufus
[06:52] <wajideus> fat32 is a pretty misleading name for what is actually fat24
[06:52] <gogeta> wajideus, fat32 has supported large files sense the late 90s lol it wa patched
[06:52] <danakil> rufus ? a friend of yours ? :)
[06:52] <gogeta> was
[06:52] <wajideus> fat32 extended you mean?
[06:53] <u0_a143_> Has anyone ever created an assembly language game?
[06:53] <wajideus> I have
[06:53] <gogeta> danakil, rufus is a app name for windows
[06:53] <gogeta> danakil, it can write your iso in dd mode like in linux works every time
[06:54] <danakil> OK gogeta. I already tried UnetBootin and usb-creator-gtk, I can try with rufus
[06:54] <danakil> ok
[06:54] <gogeta> danakil, it can work like unetbootin but more up2date has unertbottin has ended
[06:55] <gogeta> danakil, are we using linux or widnows?
[06:55] <danakil> I use Kubuntu since breezy badger and I feels like a total debutant right know, it's the first time I can't manage to boot with a ubuntu live usb...
[06:56] <danakil> I'm far from a linux expert and I'm just an user but still...
[06:56] <danakil> never had any problem untill Zesty
[06:57] <sirru5h> Hello everyone
[06:57] <wajideus> I always just presumed that with usbs, you could just 'dd' the iso right onto the device
[06:57] <gogeta> danakil, ah for linux Etcher is a very simple and good tool to make a usb image
[06:58] <gogeta> wajideus, you can but this is ubuntu many dont know cli :)
[06:58] <danakil> so I will try Etcher first, I don't have windows on my main PC
[06:59] <Bashing-om> danakil: linux: ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' .
[06:59] <gogeta> danakil, but as the other guy said you can just use dd from cli to make a image
[07:00] <gogeta> Bashing-om, ether is basily that with a simple ui :)
[07:00] <danakil> yep I know I can do it with a simple dd but I'm still wondering WHY?!!! Never had any problem with simple gui tools before Zesty...
[07:00] <gogeta> danakil, its becouse unebootim ended dev
[07:01] <gogeta> danakil, so there sysliux is out of date
[07:01] <danakil> ok, and what is the official solution from Canonical about that ? They still recommends Unetbootin no ?
[07:01] <gogeta> danakil, they need to update there wiki
[07:01] <danakil> They can't just let people download Iso and says "good luck guyz"
[07:01] <danakil> ok
[07:02] <wajideus> for those who don't speak obfus; `substitute-user-to-do (as-root) duplicate-data in-file=/path/to/iso out-file=/dev/sdX block-size=4M; and synchronous`
[07:03] <gogeta> danakil, just note after you install and you whant to make that usb drive usable again you need to use gparted reformat it
[07:03] <wajideus> now dd seems slightly less scary
[07:04] <danakil> ok gogeta, thank you
[07:04] <danakil> I will give a look at Etcher first, then dd if it don't works
[07:04] <danakil> I'm more confortable with a gui tools when I'm dealing with drives and partitions
[07:04] <gogeta> danakil, ether is dd just in a ui
[07:05] <gogeta> danakil, a very simple one
[07:06] <angus_mcgyver> Good Morning, theres a problem with my wlan network. after a restart of my computer, the wlan adapter doesnt recognize the network anymore. i already modprobed the module, it is working fine. what can i do?
[07:07] <wajideus> could could click your wifi notification icon to open the network menu and click on "edit connections..."
[07:08] <wajideus> erase your old connection profile, and then try connecting
[07:08] <angus_mcgyver> okay, i did. but it still doesnt show up
[07:08] <danakil> sure gogeta but a gui says explicitely : "usb drive..." and the size of the drive. I don't want to wipe all my data because I'm not sure about the right sd? :)
[07:08] <wajideus> like, not even in your list of wifi networks?
[07:08] <angus_mcgyver> it doenst show any wifi networks
[07:08] <gogeta> :)
[07:09] <wajideus> ah, i see.
[07:09] <wajideus> pop open a terminal
[07:09] <angus_mcgyver> i did
[07:09] <wajideus> type `lspci`
[07:09] <gogeta> danakil, you list do a fdisk -l to see your drives and where they are at its not hard but i figured keep it simple?
[07:10] <gogeta> :)
[07:10] <angus_mcgyver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24491216/
[07:10] <wajideus> the last or next to last entry should say "Network controller" on the line
[07:10] <wajideus> yep, this is a driver problem
[07:11] <angus_mcgyver> it only shows one adapter
[07:11] <wajideus> you either have the wrong network driver installed, or you don't have one installed at all
[07:11] <angus_mcgyver> okay, i did make and make install for the driver 8812au - but after a restart, it doesnt work
[07:11] <angus_mcgyver> i installed rtl8812au, that is the right one
[07:12] <wajideus> idk. that's for a specific series of network controllers
[07:12] <wajideus> it depends on your hardware
[07:12] <angus_mcgyver> so i just did "make install" again and modprobe 8812au, but nothing comes up
[07:13] <wajideus> then it's not the right one
[07:13] <angus_mcgyver> it already worked the last 2 days :-/
[07:14] <wajideus> I presume that you actually typed `sudo make install` and not just `make install`?
[07:14] <angus_mcgyver> yep
[07:14] <angus_mcgyver> right now i do "make"
[07:14] <angus_mcgyver> lets see what happens
[07:15] <wajideus> pretty much the only reason a modprobe won't work is if it's not the right driver for your hardware
[07:16] <angus_mcgyver> does nothing. the strange thing is, the network applet is able to see my adapter
[07:16] <angus_mcgyver> but doesnt find any networks
[07:16] <tocky> #ubuntu is so dynamic everyday???
[07:16] <wajideus> it's not going to do anything
[07:17] <wajideus> because as far as the os is concerned, your hardware isn't even capable of wifi
[07:17] <sirru5h> Just an idea what about removing the module then insmod back in ?
[07:17] <segersjerry> angus_mcgyver, have you checked to see if your antenna has become disconnected?
[07:17] <angus_mcgyver> i will unplug it
[07:17] <wajideus> if the correct driver is installed, lspci should have an entry that says 'Network Controller' in it
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> so i unplugged and plugged back itn
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> insmod?
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> "missing filename"
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> how can i check the antenna?
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> there is non at the adapter
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> oh
[07:18] <angus_mcgyver> now it can find the network
[07:20] <DanaKil> yay, thank you gogeta and the others, speaking from a zesty live session right now. I used Edger. I was pretty sure that my  configurations was faulty and didnt think that it could be unetbootin that was broken
[07:20] <DanaKil> and dd is so much faster than unetbootin
[07:20] <gogeta> DanaKil, lol
[07:20] <DanaKil> seriously Canonical, update your docs...
[07:21] <gaetan445> salut y as til des francais
[07:21] <wajideus> that's because 'dd' literally just copies bytes from one file to another, no magic at all
[07:22] <DanaKil> yep
[07:22] <angus_mcgyver1> im back - not working after a restart
[07:22] <angus_mcgyver1> :-D
[07:22] <angus_mcgyver1> so now ill get some breakfast, after that it would be nice, if we could look further
[07:22] <pown> ^_^
[07:22] <wajideus> you can't do this with things like HDs and CDs because discs can get corrupt sectors and stuff. if you directly copy the bytes, you might copy to a bad sector on the disc and end up with a corrupt disc
[07:23] <DanaKil> ok I understand wajideus
[07:23] <wajideus> but usbs have this nice built-in magical error-correction thing similar to virtual memory
[07:23] <wajideus> bad blocks just get remapped, so a dd is perfectly safe
[07:23] <DanaKil> im going to put this bad boy on my new ssd now, bye and thank you
[07:26] <naidang> hi
[07:27] <wajideus> oy
[07:29] <wajideus> so, quick question, i've heard that canonical plans to use gnome 3 as the default DE now that they're dropping unity
[07:29] <wajideus> is this true?
[07:29] <wajideus> please tell me no. I beg you
[07:29] <ducasse> yep
[07:29] <segersjerry> starting with 18.04
[07:29] <wajideus> ohgodwhy
[07:29] <sirru5h> Ubuntu sure has changed I remember last time I used ubuntu was in 2008
[07:30] <wajideus> I don't think they realize just how broken gnome 3 is
[07:31] <wajideus> ootb, gnome 3 cancerous to look at. all of the themes are broken, and software using gtk2 (like firefox) just completely ignores your system settings and adds to the ugliness
[07:32] <wajideus> maybe they'll have a last minute change of heart to switch to KDE  ;-;
[07:33] <sirru5h> wajideus, what desktop do you currently use?
[07:34] <wajideus> I use the unity desktop.
[07:34] <wajideus> it's grown on me a lot.
[07:35] <sirru5h>  okay cool same here  I'm kinda just starting again in ubuntu been using another distro since 2009
[07:35] <ducasse> if you want to discuss this, please do so in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:36] <sirru5h> One thing that has really got me is the Software center, is there anyway to install synaptic or would I really goof up my system
[07:37] <wajideus> I'm pretty sure it's safe
[07:38] <kostkon> sirru5h, absolutely safe to install and use. Install it with  sudo apt install synaptic
[07:38] <segersjerry> sirru5h, I installed synaptic off the default software center in 16.04 and 17.04 (gnome variant) are you having a problem?
[07:38] <sirru5h> sounds good thank you kostkon and wajideus
[07:40] <wajideus> it would be nice if i3-gaps supported wayland
[07:41] <ducasse> try sway
[07:42] <angus_mcgyver1> so i am back - my problem is still, that the wlan adapter only works, when i plug it off and on
[07:43] <angus_mcgyver1> it is the right driver
[07:43] <angus_mcgyver1> but modprobe doesnt help
[07:44] <wajideus> you might have one of those quirky pieces of hardware that requires a special additional option
[07:45] <angus_mcgyver1> okay!?
[07:45] <angus_mcgyver1> "sudo service udev restart" doesnt help
[07:46] <wajideus> eg. one of my laptops has a rtl8188ee adapter that requires a special 'hp' option in the /etc/modprobe.d configuration
[07:46] <angus_mcgyver1> how can i test that?
[07:47] <wajideus> oh man, I feel bad to be on this side of the shtick
[07:47] <wajideus> but I'm gonna have to say to google your computer's model and hope there's an answer on some forum somewhere
[07:47] <wajideus> it's literally a hack. I find it stupid and repulsive, but I'm just a lowly lazy user with no patience.
[07:48] <angus_mcgyver1> it is a self build, so i dont have a specific model
[07:48] <wajideus> try looking up the exact name of the adapter on the box
[07:48] <segersjerry> angus_mcgyver1, you'd google the adapter or motherboard in that case
[07:48] <ducasse> angus_mcgyver1: which wifi driver?
[07:49] <angus_mcgyver1> 8812au
[07:50] <ducasse> aha, realtek. that explains a lot.
[07:50] <angus_mcgyver1> so i did sudo modprobe -rfv 8812au and sudo modprobe -v 8812 au, but nothing helps
[07:51] <ducasse> which ubuntu version is this?
[07:51] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver1: It would have an rt/RT in front of the module name...so you should be able to find it with: sudo lsmod | grep rt
[07:52] <ducasse> that module is just called 8812au in some versions
[07:53] <angus_mcgyver1> so i put it in another usb port, now it doesnt find it anymore
[07:54] <angus_mcgyver1> Xubuntu 17.04
[07:55] <angus_mcgyver1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24491346/
[07:56] <angus_mcgyver1> so i reconnected it into several ports, doesnt recognize it anymore
[07:58] <angus_mcgyver1> could this be my problem? https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux/issues/192
[07:58] <angus_mcgyver1> thats exactly the adapter i use
[07:59] <ducasse> angus_mcgyver1: is that the driver you are using?
[07:59] <angus_mcgyver1> no
[07:59] <angus_mcgyver1> i use the dkms one
[07:59] <angus_mcgyver1> thats coming with ubuntu
[07:59] <angus_mcgyver1> i need to restart, so the adapter even shows up
[08:01] <angus_mcgyver> so even after a restart, it doenst show up anymore
[08:02] <segersjerry> you might find useful things to google if you unplug, replug and run dmesg
[08:04] <angus_mcgyver> its quite long, what do i need to search for?
[08:04] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Something to consider - as a test - disable bluetooth entirely. Powerdown machine (cold). Repower machine and see how long the USB RT will stay connected...I just remembered a situation that this happened with (a RT chipset USB wifi)
[08:05] <segersjerry> just look at the last few lines
[08:05] <angus_mcgyver> i dont have bluetooth. how do i disable it?
[08:06] <angus_mcgyver> could this be important from dmesg? [    3.022671] r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: link down
[08:06] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: sudo systemctl disable bluetooth
[08:09] <angus_mcgyver> it still doesnt show up
[08:09] <angus_mcgyver> was the information from dmesg helpful?
[08:09] <jink> I have a problem with postfix not being able to bind to my IPv6 address, since the network isn't fully ready yet, despite the "Wants=network-online.target".  https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/280183/65174 seems to be a way to fix that.  Should I do that?
[08:09] <angus_mcgyver> it says a different model name
[08:11] <angus_mcgyver> at first, the adapter showed up at "Alternative drivers", but now it doenst even shop up anymore
[08:12] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Eh? I must have missed something in the conversation...is this before or after you've unplugged the unit?
[08:12] <maret> hi everyone I have NTFS drive which I would like to mount automatically on startup in 16.10 Ubuntu. This is how my settings are right now for the disk http://oi68.tinypic.com/35hpzkk.jpg
[08:12] <angus_mcgyver> i deactivated bluetooth and did a restart
[08:13] <angus_mcgyver> its still plugged
[08:13] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: I was rather hoping for a COLD start...powering down, etc etc etc...
[08:13] <angus_mcgyver> i mean cold start
[08:13] <angus_mcgyver> it was shorter to type
[08:13] <angus_mcgyver> no restart
[08:13] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: And the unit shows up when you'd doing an: lsusb or lspci?
[08:14] <angus_mcgyver> lsusb no
[08:15] <angus_mcgyver> lspci no
[08:15] <angus_mcgyver> i absolutely crashed it
[08:15] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Carefully remove the USB device (no pliers, hammers, scissors, crowbars) - wait for 15 seconds...plug back in - repeat process - using "sudo lspci" and "sudo lsusb", eh?
[08:17] <angus_mcgyver> nothing
[08:17] <angus_mcgyver> the adapter doesnt even blink no more
[08:18] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Assuming the unit is plugged in, can you try (in the terminal): sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[08:19] <angus_mcgyver> now it installs nvidia drivers
[08:20] <angus_mcgyver> restart?
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Does it tell you to restart?
[08:20] <angus_mcgyver> no
[08:20] <angus_mcgyver> it installed intel-microcode and nvidia drivers
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Then no, not yet. Is it done doing the installation?
[08:20] <angus_mcgyver> yes
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Coolbeans. At any point in time, were you asked to use "usb_modeswitch" at all?
[08:21] <angus_mcgyver> no, no questions showed up
[08:22] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Just asking...
[08:23] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: You had the device in one of the USB spots and moved it...have you moved it back?
[08:23] <angus_mcgyver> i looked through the text output, this doesnt show up
[08:23] <angus_mcgyver> i tried all kind of usb ports
[08:23] <angus_mcgyver> i tried usb 3.0 and usb 2.0
[08:24] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Have you put it back in the port where it initially was?
[08:24] <angus_mcgyver> now i did
[08:24] <angus_mcgyver> nothing changed
[08:24] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: So give it a shot with "sudo lspci" and "sudo lsusb" - show up?
[08:25] <angus_mcgyver> it doesnt
[08:26] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Since you've got a terminal open, what goes if you do: sudo systemctl restart networking ==> ?
[08:26] <angus_mcgyver> no output
[08:27] <ducasse> angus_mcgyver: if lsusb does not list it the hardware is not seen at all
[08:27] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Far f*ing out...roight roight roight...question: What was changed in between the time this worked and now?
[08:28] <segersjerry> possible answer: a bad solder joint finally gave way?
[08:28] <YankDownUnder> Could be could be...
[08:28] <angus_mcgyver> i deactivated bluetooth. sudo modprobe -rfv 8812au. sudo modprobe -v 8812au. sudo apt-get install build-essential dkms. sudo service udev restart.
[08:28] <ducasse> quite likely, imo
[08:28] <YankDownUnder> Ain't like any of these "dongles" are top-notch boffo units
[08:29] <wajideus> a cosmic ray struct it right in the μp and now it's borked
[08:29] <angus_mcgyver> 8-)
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Leave bluetooth disabled...what do you get when you do: sudo insmod 8812au [08:30] <angus_mcgyver> insmod: ERROR: could not load module 8812au: No such file or directory
[08:30] <angus_mcgyver> ??
[08:30] <ducasse> insmod needs full path
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Right...we try this: sudo updatedb && locate 8812au
[08:30] <wajideus> if I had known he was talking about a dongle instead of an onboard chip, I would've asked the output of lsusb instead of lspci...
[08:31] <angus_mcgyver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24491435/
[08:33] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: There's the path for ya, bru..."sudo insmod /lib/modules/4.10.0-20-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8812au.ko"
[08:33] <gaetan445> salut
[08:33] <wajideus> salad
[08:33] <gaetan445> je suis francais et vous
[08:33] <angus_mcgyver> insmod: ERROR: could not insert module /lib/modules/4.10.0-20-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8812au.ko: Device or resource busy
[08:34] <ducasse> !fr | gaetan445
[08:34] <angus_mcgyver> i need a path buddy :)
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Try this: "sudo insmod /var/lib/dkms/rtl8812au/4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg/4.10.0-20-generic/x86_64/module/8812au.ko"
[08:35] <gaetan445> dequoi ducasse
[08:35] <angus_mcgyver> insmod: ERROR: could not insert module /var/lib/dkms/rtl8812au/4.3.8.12175.20140902+dfsg/4.10.0-20-generic/x86_64/module/8812au.ko: File exists
[08:36] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: So what if you merely do: sudo rmmod 8812au && sudo insmod 8812au --> ?
[08:37] <angus_mcgyver> sorry
[08:37] <angus_mcgyver> my pc hang up
[08:37] <angus_mcgyver> the last thing i did was enter "file exists"
[08:37] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: All good.
[08:38] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: You're not supposed to enter "file exists"...
[08:38] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: You're only supposed to type: sudo insmod 8812au
[08:38] <angus_mcgyver> i mean in this chat window :)
[08:39] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Ah....right...fair enough
[08:39] <angus_mcgyver> insmod: ERROR: could not load module 8812au: No such file or directory
[08:40] <wajideus> LMFAO
[08:40] <wajideus> you can't juts tell the command line a file exists
[08:40] <wajideus> you have to touch it gently
[08:40] <angus_mcgyver> okay...
[08:40] <angus_mcgyver> O:-)
[08:41] <roelof> someone who can help me figure this out : https://askubuntu.com/questions/910562/no-mail-log-when-sending-with-postfix-ubuntu-17-04
[08:41] <YankDownUnder> angus_mcgyver: Take the dongle out. Power off the machine. Let it sit for like 15 seconds. Turn on the machine. Go into BIOS - check the settings for USB ports. If there is an option for "Legacy", please enable that. Reboot the machine. After Ubuntu is up and running and you're on your desktop, open a terminal - plug in the dongle. See if it "blinks" - check to see if you can see it with "sudo lsusb" or "sudo lspci" -> eh?
[08:42] <angus_mcgyver> i'll do that
[08:42] <ducasse> roelof: have you configure postfix correctly and checked that it's running?
[08:43] <roelof> ducasse:  yep, I can send a mail and I recieve it back so I assume everything is working fine
[08:44] <roelof> postfix is working fine but as I said i do not see a mail.log
[08:45] <angus_mcgyver> back again
[08:45] <angus_mcgyver> legacy is turned on
[08:45] <angus_mcgyver> lsusb still doesnt show the stick
[08:46] <angus_mcgyver> it doesnt blink
[08:46] <angus_mcgyver> i dont understand, it worked till this morning
[08:47] <Ben64> does it work in any other computer
[08:47] <angus_mcgyver> it works with my parallel windows install
[08:47] <Ben64> what do you mean parallel
[08:47] <angus_mcgyver> its on the same computer
[08:47] <segersjerry> have you tested that statement since it stopped blinking
[08:47] <angus_mcgyver> no
[08:48] <angus_mcgyver> i do
[08:48] <angus_mcgyver> now
[08:48] <angus_mcgyver> wait
[08:48] <maret> hi everyone I have NTFS drive which I would like to mount automatically on startup in 16.10 Ubuntu. This is how my settings are right now for the disk http://oi68.tinypic.com/35hpzkk.jpg
[08:48] <Jenshae> Ben64, you can install Linux side by side with Windows on the same machine. When the computer loads up you get a menu to choose if you want to load Windows or Linux.
[08:50] <segersjerry> maret, It is highly unlikely I will be able to actually help you, but I can suggest that you add to your statement the results that you are dissatisfied with.
[08:51] <Jenshae> maret tried this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/46588/how-to-automount-ntfs-partitions
[08:54] <ducasse> maret: does /mnt/C4FC5etc exist?
[08:56] <roelof> ducasse:  any idea for my problem. Or can it be that the permissions are not right. At this moment they are 755
[08:57] <ducasse> roelof: not really. does it log through journald?
[08:57] <maret> ducasse:  yeah you know I will try adding gvfs-mount -d /dev/sda2 to startup
[08:57] <rogbro> Hello, I experiment complete freezes of my computer since I have upgraded to 17.04. The system log shows that the Oops is located in the "nouveau" driver. I was wondering where I should report the bug ? The ReportingBugs page of Ubuntu Help page leads to DebuggingSystemCrash, but reporting and debugging isn't exactly the same, is it ?
[08:57] <roelof> yep, there I see things that I wanted to see in the mail.log
[08:59] <ducasse> rogbro: use 'ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic'
[09:02] <roelof> What is the right way to change 755  to 775 of a directory
[09:03] <ducasse> roelof: use chmod
[09:03] <roelof> so chmod 775 directoryname ?
[09:04] <ducasse> roelof: yep
[09:04] <graphitemaster> that's not recursive of course
[09:04] <graphitemaster> -R if you want it to do that for all the things inside the directory
[09:05] <jink> chmod -R 755 is a bad idea.  It'll make your files executable, too.
[09:05] <graphitemaster> yeah
[09:07] <wajideus> you can execute a non-executable file from an executable directory without chmoding it recursively
[09:07] <roelof> but with a 755 tjhe mail.log is being made :)
[09:07] <wajideus> also, don't use 755
[09:07] <wajideus> never use numbers in a chmod
[09:08] <roelof> with a  755  there is no mail.log
[09:08] <wajideus> chmod +rw <file>
[09:08] <gnomethrower> Pici: can we remove Ubuntu 12.04 from the topic? ;)
[09:08] <wajideus> there are +/- letter operators for a reason
[09:09] <gnomethrower> (given that it's no longer supported)
[09:09] <wajideus> when you type numbers, you're replacing all the attributes of the file
[09:09] <ducasse> wajideus: which might be what you want
[09:09] <gurry_zoo> Hi
[09:09] <wajideus> but over 90% of the time, it isn't
[09:10] <wajideus> you typically just want to make a file executable, or read-only
[09:10] <roelof> wajideus:  when I do chown +rw /var/log I see a error message that the +rw is a not known user
[09:10] <ducasse> chmod, not chown
[09:10] <gurry_zoo> The USB port works with other device the "parallel to usb" adaptor works under xp but under ubuntu I get -71 error
[09:11] <segersjerry> roelof, you want one of ugo before the +
[09:11] <segersjerry> one or more I should say
[09:12] <roelof> oke, with chmod +rw /var/log th log also works
[09:12] <roelof> thanks all, this was bugging me for almost a day
[09:18] <mihalski_> does anyone know if it's possible to access bluetooth within an lxd container?
[09:19] <MonkeyDust> mihalski_  i guess that's more for    #lxcontainers
[09:20] <angus_mcgyver> so i
[09:20] <angus_mcgyver> i
[09:20] <angus_mcgyver> i'm back under windows 7
[09:20] <angus_mcgyver> the usb wlan dongle doesnt get recognized either
[09:20] <mihalski_> but it's not lxc
[09:20] <mihalski_> it's lxd
[09:20] <angus_mcgyver> all my other usb devices acted like crazy
[09:21] <angus_mcgyver> i had to reset all devices through unplugging and plugging in
[09:21] <angus_mcgyver> now i can work
[09:21] <angus_mcgyver> i think the adapter is wrecked
[09:21] <angus_mcgyver> which one can you recommend?
[09:22] <ducasse> angus_mcgyver: realtek is generally bad imo
[09:25] <angus_mcgyver> okay, there are still many other sticks. which one can be used out of the box?
[09:31] <ducasse> angus_mcgyver: realtek chipsets are often problematic in my experience. they're also very common.
[09:33] <radius2k> ×ÏÎÊÑ!
[09:36] <angus_mcgyver> there are so many, often with realtek. i
[09:36] <angus_mcgyver> i'm still searching
[09:38] <Jenshae> I know this is off topic but it makes IRC so much better - http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[09:38] <Jenshae> Just wanted to share that.
[09:38] <ducasse> Jenshae: we know, we have it on a trigger here
[09:38] <Jenshae> trigger?
[09:38] <ducasse> !quietirc
[09:39] <Jenshae> ubottu is a bot?
[09:39] <MonkeyDust> !gender
[09:39] <Jenshae> Damn. Well written bot.
[09:40] <Jenshae> The last time I actively used IRC, was when IP masking was the next big thing and bots would kick people for swearing and auto-mod.
[09:40] <Jenshae> Though, someone did have a MUD added to the bot so you could PM it and play.
[09:41] <wajideus> lies
[09:41] <wajideus> ubottu is a shota
[09:41] <Jenshae> !urban shota
[09:42] <Jenshae> Ha! No urban dictionary add-on :P
[09:42] <wajideus> kek. it's japanese, not urban
[09:42] <blackflow> Jenshae: try !ot you'll love it
[09:42] <wajideus> you're safer if you don't google it
[09:43] <Jenshae> I just did an !urban shota in a Discord channel.
[09:43] <Jenshae> It has an explanation there.
[09:43] <wajideus> go on
[09:43] <ducasse> !chat
[09:44] <Jenshae> Private message (10:41:45) ubottu: Sorry, I don't know anything about urban shota
[09:44] <blackflow> Jenshae: try !ot
[09:44] <Jenshae> It picked up the ! and knew I was trying to talk to it.
[09:44] <Jenshae> !ot
[09:45]  * Jenshae narrows eyes at blackflow and wanders over there to have a look.
[09:45] <MonkeyDust> Jenshae  keep the channel free for support questions
[09:47] <angus_mcgyver> i'll take this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002SZEOLG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1
[09:47] <angus_mcgyver> it has the Atheros AR9002U chipset which should work out of the box
[10:09] <vincenzoml> In ubuntu 17.04 I don't have icons in okular's toolbar, which I need for nice latex editing using kile
[10:09] <vincenzoml> Also other applications don't have icons
[10:10] <vincenzoml> I've tried changing the qt theme via qtconfig-qt4 and I've tried setting icon theme to oxygen via kcmconfig with no good result
[10:12] <vincenzoml> here is a screenshot
[10:12] <vincenzoml> http://pasteboard.co/ZlQmQdYl.png
[10:12] <vincenzoml> where the tooltip is, there should be an icon, which is missing. Any suggestion?
[10:12] <vincenzoml> More specific channels to ask?
[10:13] <YankDownUnder> vincenzoml: #kubuntu
[10:14] <rizonz> when I create a perl package form cpan that is also in perl-modules 5.22 and I want to install it I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/a8kp8eUL
[10:14] <rizonz> is there a way to get it installed as cpan updates the perl module without any issue
[10:24] <erikg> is there any way to configure the multitouch gestures (e.g. three-finger double tap to switch windows)
[10:24] <erikg> they interfere with an application that i'm using
[10:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> afternoon BluesKaj ;)
[10:28] <BluesKaj> hey MonkeyDust
[10:35] <cool06> hi all
[10:35] <cool06> facing following 403 error while installing packages
[10:35] <cool06> any suggestions
[10:36] <cool06> https://pastebin.com/STuFj4nU
[10:36] <trudko> morning, I am trying to automatically connect to VPN with ethernet connection through Gnome Network Manager. Problem is that if I do that the ethernet has to be connected manually after the startup. There was some bug about this but it should have been fixeed by now(17.04)
[10:40] <anna_> Goodmorning/evening guys ... here I am, again ... My system does not shutdown/reboot and I am going nuts ... I have installed several distros but the problem is always there ... i have tryed lubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu mate 17.04 and LTS 16.04; Linux mint cinnamon/mate/xfce 18.1 and 17.3 ... fresh installations ... just boot the laptop, wait for the system to load, then shutdown and it freezes while saying "[OK] reached target shutdown" ... any idea? I am going
[10:40] <anna_> crazy. Thanks =)
[10:41] <anna_> Im running deepin linux at the moment ... same problem.
[10:41] <CoderEurope> anna_ What laptop are you running on ?
[10:42] <anna_> CoderEurope: acer es1 411
[10:42] <CoderEurope> anna_ Right-oh - don't know that one, So good luck with your support request.
[10:43] <anna_> CoderEurope: thanks =)
[10:45] <tocky> i installed macports in torminal but doesn't work ,what reasion?
[10:46] <blackflow> anna_: sounds like something acpi related that the linux kernel doesn't like about your hardware. maybe poking through BIOS would reveal a clue, I don't know.
[10:47] <blackflow> anna_: can you reboot, tho' ?
[10:47] <anna_> blackflow: neither reboot nor shutdown
[10:48] <tocky> no ,i try it ,
[10:49] <sirru5h> hmmm ... are you using grub anna_
[10:50] <anna_> sirru5h: yes I am ... default configuration from the distro installation process
[10:50] <sirru5h> on an acer es1 411 correct
[10:50] <anna_> sirru5h: yep
[10:53] <sirru5h> okay have you check dmesg btw?
[10:53] <anna_> sirru5h: mmm dunno how to do it
[10:54] <sirru5h> In terminal type sudo dmesg
[10:55] <blackflow> anna_: there are some solutions here suggesting altering the kernel command line and adding "noapic irqpoll". I don't know if that's the correct solution, but I guess you can try:  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/acer-laptop-won%27t-shutdown-normally-4175531755/page2.html#post5307548
[10:55] <blackflow> anna_: read the whole thread
[10:55] <blackflow> anna_: you can temporarily try it by adding those two on boot, without the need to alter grub config files
[10:55] <rizonz> blackflow: he you here a swell ;)
[10:56] <blackflow> anna_: in the grub menu, hit  E  to enter the menu entry edit, then use arrow keys to reach the kernel line, add   noapic irqpoll    to the end of it and hit F10 to boot that entry, if I remember grub correctly.
[10:57] <hplc_> having the same issue, but with pfsense only, i doesnt reboot when supposed to, it just freezes, never happened before
[10:57] <blackflow> anna_: if you can then properly shut down after the system boots, I guess that's the solution as well
[11:00] <blackflow> anna_: the kernel line is the one starting with   "linux /vmlinuz ....."
[11:01] <anna_> sirru5h: blackflow https://pastebin.com/D5aTU4hz dmesg output ... blackflow thanks for the link, btw I dont think I have grub installed :/ ... deepin linux is the only system on the machine, and It boots directly without stopping on grub menu ... so dunno ...
[11:02] <blackflow> anna_: well, I'm giving you support for ubuntu as this is #ubuntu. No idea about deepin linux
[11:02] <blackflow> good luck.
[11:02] <anna_> blackflow: I just let the iso choose everything ... format the whole hdd ... deepin is ubuntubased
[11:02] <bekks> anna_: its an unofficial fork, so its not supported in here, unfortunately.
[11:03] <anna_> beeks blackflow ok thanks =)
[11:10] <sirru5h> back
[11:45] <joyivan> Hello my first join this irc channel
[11:45] <joyivan> Anyone hear me
[11:45] <joyivan> I am a Chinese
[11:45] <ducasse> !cn | joyivan
[11:46] <joyivan> Yes decades
[11:46] <joyivan> This channel about using ubuntu?
[11:47] <CoderEurope> yes
[11:47] <joyivan> Do what?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> !support | joyivan
[11:48] <joyivan> Thanks
[11:49] <BluesKaj> joyivan, so if you have a question about ubuntu, this is the place to ask
[11:50] <joyivan> Sorry right now I do not have any problem
[11:52] <riqdiiz> How do I get my Skywalker boot/display on tft?Power and disk leds on.fans OK.Beep sounds none.
[11:52] <ikonia> ?
[11:52] <ikonia> what does that even mean riqdiiz
[11:53] <riqdiiz> It's my desktop. ikonia
[11:53] <ikonia> yes, but your question doesn't make sense
[11:54] <ducasse> riqdiiz: what is the actual problem?
[11:55] <riqdiiz> It seems to power on but no activity on display.
[12:05] <fabien> server 127.0.0.1 8087
[12:07] <CoderEurope> riqdiiz: You screens buggered then
[12:08] <ikonia> CoderEurope: no it's not
[12:08] <ikonia> CoderEurope: how did you make that assumption
[12:08] <tsglove> buggered... interesting terminology.
[12:08] <riqdiiz> Seems ok on other machine.
[12:09] <aaaaaaaa> i am being spammed with kernel: [  313.798285] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: AER: Corrected error received: id=00e5
[12:09] <aaaaaaaa> kernel: [  313.798308] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=00e5(Receiver ID)
[12:09] <aaaaaaaa> kernel: [  313.798318] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5:   device [8086:9d15] error status/mask=00000001/00002000
[12:09] <aaaaaaaa> kernel: [  313.798325] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5:    [ 0] Receiver Error         (First)
[12:10] <hfp> Hi all, what is ~/.dbus that the backup program complains it can't backup? It's owned by root 700. Can I remove it?
[12:10] <ikonia> hfp: nothing in your home dir should be owned by root
[12:10] <rizonz> does anyone know how we can install perl modules that overwrite perl-modules ?
[12:11] <ikonia> rizonz: you shouldn't do that
[12:11] <aaaaaaaa> syslog is filled up with that how do i fix it?
[12:11] <rizonz> ikonia: what if I need to modules are too old
[12:12] <ikonia> rizonz: they shouldn't be, and if they are you use alternative locations that don't overwrite
[12:12] <blackflow> rizonz: like I told you earlier, install with cpan under ~/  don't install in the system path, if you have to use cpan
[12:12] <hfp> ikonia: thanks
[12:13] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[12:14] <rizonz> ikonia: even cpan updates them to versions you want
[12:14] <ikonia> rizonz: you don't do that as I've just said
[12:15] <ikonia> and as blackflow said
[12:15] <rizonz> ikonia: I do, you might do want to do that but 5.22 is too far behind
[12:15] <ikonia> rizonz: you don't
[12:15] <ikonia> rizonz: you install to a different location
[12:15] <rizonz> wityh cpan ?
[12:15] <rizonz> *with
[12:16] <ikonia> whatever mechanism you feel best
[12:18] <rizonz> ikonia: so you say if I start for an example assp as root it used the root path ?
[12:18] <rizonz> *uses
[12:18] <blackflow> rizonz: I mean think about it. if you install in the system paths, where debian perl packages install, you will have incompatible versions, and dpkg will overwrite your overwrites on next update of the package.
[12:19] <rizonz> blackflow: that is no issue
[12:19] <rizonz> blackflow: I have pinned stuff
[12:19] <blackflow> you still don't understand
[12:19] <rizonz> explain better then ? :P
[12:19] <CoderEurope> I do - I like pants
[12:19] <blackflow> do   NOT    install, outside of package manager, in the system paths, which is outside ~/
[12:19] <blackflow> rizonz: clearer? :)
[12:20] <rizonz> blackflow: yes but when I create a package using dh-make-perl does it make a systempackage then ?
[12:20] <blackflow> rizonz: outside of your home directory, files are managed by packages and changing them manually (except of course config files, we're talking about perl modules) will lead to unexpected results and breakage.
[12:21] <blackflow> rizonz: yes, if you build a package and install a package, it's okay
[12:21] <blackflow> rizonz: I was talking about changing system paths outside of package manager
[12:21] <scottjl> what's the point in installing via package manager in the first place if you're just going to replace it with your own/cpan version?
[12:21] <ikonia> CoderEurope: stop with your nonsense please - you're adding negative value to the channel with either bad help or silly comments
[12:21] <blackflow> rizonz: however, still keep i mind that your own package might collide with an existing debian package, for same paths.
[12:23] <rizonz> scottjl: dso you don't need to compile locally
[12:23] <rizonz> blackflow: yeah that seems to happen which I don't like
[12:24] <rizonz> for an example libnet-perl which is Net::SMTP
[12:24] <blackflow> rizonz: which means, if you need to use perl modules in combination with ubuntu perl packages, you should install your own under ~/
[12:24] <rizonz> blackflow: true but should sh-make-perl not create a package that installs under ~/ ?
[12:25] <scottjl> rizonz: compile what locally? if you're installing via cpan or apt neither one is necessarily compiling locally (ok, some might be depending on how it's installed)
[12:25] <frib> I am using ubuntu 16.04 and it does not detect my sd card in "blkid". What can I do? thanks
[12:25] <blackflow> rizonz: I don't know
[12:26] <rizonz> scottjl: cpan compiles locally, I don't want to have compilers on my production systems
[12:26] <scottjl> so you're building your own .debs and installing those on your prod boxes?
[12:26] <rizonz> scottjl: yes
[12:26] <blackflow> rizonz: if you want to update an existing ubuntu package, maybe start with the ubuntu package, upgrade the src and install it in your own PPA. That way dependencies will be satisfied and the package won't collide (as it'll be newer) with default ubuntu package
[12:27] <blackflow> rizonz: of course, you add ~yourPPAsomethign   as version bump to it
[12:27] <rizonz> blackflow: nope, I have it on my own repo pinned with a prio of 1001
[12:27] <rizonz> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnet-perl : Depends: perl but it is not going to be installed
[12:27] <blackflow> rizonz: that'll mess up dependencies
[12:27] <blackflow> ah, like I said :)
[12:28] <scottjl> just asking for headaches.
[12:28] <rizonz> blackflow: meh, erm so I need a ppa ?
[12:28] <blackflow> rizonz: that'd be the best course of action as you remain within the rules of package management
[12:29] <rizonz> meh that sucks
[12:29] <blackflow> the altrenative is to use cpan and install under ~/
[12:29] <rizonz> blackflow: that would be fine but dh-make perl doesn't seem to do that then ?
[12:30] <blackflow> in which case you don't build a .deb
[12:30] <rizonz> I need debs
[12:30] <blackflow> if you want to go the .deb route, then your own PPA
[12:31] <rizonz> but a ppa is just a repo server it seems ?
[12:31] <rizonz> buut then managed by launchpad
[12:31] <ikonia> rizonz: what do you actually expect as a solution
[12:31] <blackflow> yes, but the infra allows you to take existing ubuntu package, modify it and use the infra to build your own .deb out of it, complete with proper version scheme
[12:32] <rizonz> ikonia: installable debs which I build from cpan or the tars I download from cpan
[12:33] <blackflow> rizonz: technically you don't need a PPA, as long as the package manager can install YOUR .deb as dependency for what it provides
[12:33] <blackflow> but PPA is the easiest solution for that
[12:33] <ikonia> rizonz: so what's stopping you then ?
[12:34] <rizonz> ikonia: that when I build Net::SMTP it compplains about perl-modules-5.22
[12:34] <ikonia> rizonz: right, so you need to point at a newer version, and meet dependencies
[12:35] <rizonz> ikonia: erm, the version is already newer, I'm lost at that point
[12:37] <ikonia> rizonz: what version ?
[12:38] <rizonz> ikonia: of my libnet-perl
[12:38] <ikonia> of "perl-modules"
[12:40] <rizonz> ? what do you mean ?
[12:44] <blackflow> rizonz: what version of perl-modules is "already" newer
[12:45] <rizonz> blackflow: no my libnet-perl version is newer than what's in perl-modules
[12:45] <blackflow> rizonz: right, so you need to upgrade perl-modules to the adequate version
[12:47] <blackflow> rizonz: look, you really have three options: 1) leave everything as is, 2) ignore ubuntu perl packages, run only with cpan under ~/, 3) backport all the needed .deb packages for the wanted version from zesty.
[12:47] <rizonz> blackflow: but what is available for 16.04 ?
[12:48] <blackflow> rizonz: you have conflicting requirements. you need newer version but there isn't one in xenial. so, you backport. with your own PPA.
[12:48] <rizonz> blackflow: most nice would be under ~/ but then installed from deb
[12:55] <lavinho> good morning
[12:55] <lavinho> rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 ?
[12:57] <mikeymop> lavinho: in that your wireless chipset?
[12:57] <lavinho> yes
[12:59] <mikeymop> lavinho: https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs
[12:59] <mikeymop> allegedly merged into kernel 4.12
[12:59] <jwm_TO> Looking for help with a touchpad problem.  After upgrading to 17.04 I can't turn off the touchpad in GNOME though it turns off automatically when I connect a mouse in KDE.  Any help?
[12:59] <lavinho> 4.10.12-041012-generic
[12:59] <lavinho> kernel
[13:00] <mikeymop> that is ubuntu kernel version number?
[13:01] <mikeymop> it wont tell you much as ubuntu backports the mainline linux kernel, the fix could be in it. Some research would be needed in order to figure out if that kernel contains the backport from 4.12
[13:01] <lavinho> no make
[13:01] <mikeymop> what device is this in?
[13:02] <lavinho> rtl8723bs
[13:02] <jwm_TO> Anyone good with touchpad issues?
[13:02] <ducasse> lavinho: 'no make'?
[13:02] <lavinho> no
[13:04] <compdoc> no wifi driver?
[13:04] <lavinho> no
[13:07] <compdoc> lavinho:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[13:08] <lavinho> already installed
[13:10] <Kyoku> how would I figure out which packages to remove to get an already running 16.04 server into a minimal state?
[13:11] <mikeymop> lavinho: https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs is this what you're trying to compile?
[13:15] <lavinho> yes
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> Kyoku  is this useful https://superuser.com/questions/1172553/how-to-find-the-least-used-or-longest-unused-packages-in-debian-based-linux-dist
[13:19]  * Basketball bounces away
[13:21] <necrophcodr> Is there any distributed fault-tolerant reliable replicated filesystem like GlusterFS or CephFS that works on both Ubuntu 16.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 clients _and_ servers?
[13:22] <ducasse> necrophcodr: you'd better ask in #ubuntu-server
[13:22] <necrophcodr> ducasse: thanks, i will
[13:22] <jibbers42> Since Unity is dead, is there another desktop that handles the menu bar the same way - combining the the menu with the title bar to save space, and then combining the title bar with the top bar when maximized?
[13:23] <jibbers42> Or maybe gnome can be configured that way (if not, I hope they take that change before the official switch)
[13:24] <jibbers42> Also, is there a searchable log? I tried to check the IRC logs before asking, but when I saw it was broken out into days I just gave up.
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> jibbers42  there are soc called 'docks', like cairo-dock
[13:26] <compdoc> jibbers42, I always turned off that feature in unity, lol
[13:27] <jibbers42> MonkeyDust, I thought that was just about the launcher?? maybe i need to look at it more
[13:27] <MonkeyDust> i turn off all screen effects, first, others want them enabled as much as possible
[13:27] <jibbers42> compdoc, haha, I think that feature is great
[13:28] <jibbers42> screen effects? that sounds like animations and such, I'm just talking about the title bar and the menu bar being combined to save space
[13:29] <jibbers42> like "File" "Edit" and such menus
[13:29] <compdoc> I use mate, but its not like that at all. each window has its own menus
[13:30] <compdoc> *duct=dust
[13:30] <jibbers42> compdoc, yes, I like it that way too, I just don't like the menu bar being under the title bar - Unity showed me they could be combined
[13:31] <jibbers42> that's how I have Unity configured, menu in app - but when maximized it combines with the top bar, which makes sense and saves space.
[13:31] <jibbers42> Anyway, the crux of the question is combining the File menu with the app title bar
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> jibbers42  what you want, used to be called 'global menu', but it no longer exists
[13:42] <jibbers42> MonkeyDust, oh, must be part of the Unit Tweak Tool or something then, since I have it currently on 17.04 (unless you're speaking of gnome) - I was just trying to find the path forward, but I guess it's really too early to say right now.
[13:43] <jibbers42> *Unity
[13:49] <akash_> yo people
[13:49] <akash_> is there any big security vaulnarbilities in ubuntu 16.04 lts ?
[13:49] <akash_> *are there
[13:50] <SwedeMike> akash_: if there was widely known ones, they would be fixed.
[13:50] <ducasse> !usn | akash_
[13:50] <akash_> fact is, somebody "very important" person will be using that. if some bad thing happens, I will lose my head
[13:52] <thyrix> hello, I'm trying to mount a ext4 partion via a live CD, but it shows Unable to access, how to fix it?
[13:52] <EriC^^> thyrix: paste the error it gives you in paste.ubuntu.com
[13:52] <compdoc> how are you trying to mount it?
[13:52] <scottjl> thyrix: you booted a live cd and are trying to mount a partition?
[13:53] <thyrix> scottjl: yes
[13:53] <scottjl> if you can paste the error that would be helpful. but you should be using something along the lines of "mount /dev/sdX# /mnt"
[13:53] <thyrix> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24492782/
[13:54] <scottjl> what are you typing in for your mount command?
[13:55] <compdoc> says its already mounted
[13:56] <yqfvwal> Hi! man is not working in 17.04. man tar or even man ls result in 'no manual entry for ls'
[13:56] <thyrix> mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt
[13:56] <yqfvwal> What should I do?
[13:56] <EriC^^> yqfvwal: does "ls" work?
[13:56] <yqfvwal> EriC^^, yes ls works
[13:56] <thyrix> it shows mount: /dev/sdd1 is already mounted or /mnt busy
[13:57] <scottjl> thyrix: are you sure sdd is your hard drive? try "fdisk -l"
[13:58] <EriC^^> yqfvwal: type "ls usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz"
[13:58] <EriC^^> yqfvwal: type "ls /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz"
[13:58] <compdoc> thyrix, you can open the 'Disks' utility, then click your drive, then click the partition, and mount it there
[13:59] <yqfvwal> EriC^^, output is: /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
[14:00] <thyrix> scottjl: I know what's wrong...I think it's sdd but now it's sda on my liveCD...thank you
[14:00] <scottjl> thyrix: no problem. yes booting from a live cd will change up the letters
[14:01] <ZeloZelos> hello I need to install the development packages of X11, GTK+ and/or QT to use make to compile xautoclick how do i do so i am not understanding the information on it
[14:02] <akash_> hmmm
[14:02] <EriC^^> !xautoclick
[14:03] <ZeloZelos> nice try ;)
[14:03] <EriC^^> !checkinstall | ZeloZelos
[14:03] <ZeloZelos> oh nice lol
[14:03] <EriC^^> :D
[14:03] <ZeloZelos> thanks
[14:03] <EriC^^> np
[14:03] <EriC^^> oh wait
[14:03] <EriC^^> !info xautoclick
[14:03] <EriC^^> ok, nevermind :D
[14:04] <ZeloZelos> ah haa
[14:04] <ZeloZelos> kk
[14:04] <ZeloZelos> i like fast clicker but its for windows
[14:04] <EriC^^> what's it do?
[14:04] <ducasse> ZeloZelos: you need to install the list of dependencies for the program you want to build, they should be listed somewhere
[14:05] <ZeloZelos> lets me set a keyboard button to click the mouse with various speeds or click amount etc
[14:05] <ZeloZelos> X11, GTK+ and/or QT
[14:06] <ZeloZelos> thats what it says when i run make after config
[14:06] <ZeloZelos> ^are those the dependencies?
[14:07] <ducasse> ZeloZelos: you need a specific list of libraries
[14:07] <ZeloZelos> is there a way to detect that, they dont list it in the install instructions, just says the same thing as make basically
[14:08] <EriC^^> ZeloZelos: ./configure should show what's needed sometimes
[14:08] <ducasse> ZeloZelos: then you have to work it out by trial and error
[14:08] <ZeloZelos> oh! i should have scrolled up
[14:09] <ducasse> run ./configure, install library+headers, re-run ./configure etc
[14:09] <ZeloZelos> g++ i think is the only one
[14:10] <ZeloZelos> nope lol
[14:12] <ZeloZelos> mind looking at the list with me http://pasteall.org/380350
[14:12] <ZeloZelos> its not but 10 things r so
[14:13] <ZeloZelos> i think i need something called extra headers, extra libraries x11 and xtest extension
[14:13] <uldics> Hi! Anyone else have problems with resolvconf, dnsmasq, NetworkManager or whatever it is screwing up the resolv.conf file, so DNS is not working? Upgraded from 16.10 to 17.04 recently, 2 PCs (standard Ubuntu and Mate). Only solution I have found is after every startup and logon to put manually (!!!) my routers IP in the file erasing everything else. Uninstalling some packages just gave me more headaches, like no more possibility for DNS
[14:13] <uldics> working at all.
[14:14] <ducasse> ZeloZelos: you need the -dev packages for the headers
[14:14] <ZeloZelos> is that the extra-cmake-modules?
[14:16] <ducasse> if you need libfoobar for example, you also need libfoobar-dev to get the headers so you can build apps that depend on those
[14:17] <ZeloZelos> ahh gotcha
[14:17] <ZeloZelos> i had some experience with compiling a few years ago, guess i forgot about more than i remember
[14:18] <ZeloZelos> thank you for all your help
[14:18] <scottjl> 90% of the time all you need is ./configure && make && make install
[14:18] <ducasse> ...after installing build deps, which is what he's trying to do :)
[14:24] <donofrio> how do I remove a directory called "--exclude=logs"
[14:24] <geirha> rmdir ./--exclude=logs
[14:25] <donofrio> geirha, bingo - tnx
[14:39] <aadi> hey all,
[14:39] <sirru5h> Hi aadi
[14:39] <aadi> Is it possible to change the color of ubuntu calculator?
[14:41] <sirru5h> only the calc?
[14:41] <aadi> Yes
[14:42] <rizonz> doesn't zesty have any bootimages anymore ? for pxeboot
[14:43] <hackel> So I started my computer this morning and gnome-shell fails to load automatically like normal.  Has anyone else had an issue with this?  I am using the correct login session, and I can start it just fine manually.
[14:44] <sirru5h> aadi, I think that the only way to change the color for the calculator would be by changing the theme color
[14:44] <YankDownUnder> hackel: You could logout, go to tty1 and login through the console, do an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade => reboot and see if that helps...
[14:45] <Jordan_U> rizonz: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/zesty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[14:46] <hackel> YankDownUnder:  Already fully updated and rebooted, no change unfortunately.
[14:46] <ducasse> hackel: anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[14:46] <rizonz> Jordan_U: oh damn I forgot something in my script :)
[14:46] <rizonz> thanks
[14:47] <hackel> ducasse: Not that I can see (just dbus-update-activation-environment setting variables), nor in journalctl.
[14:47] <Jordan_U> rizonz: You're welcome.
[14:48] <rizonz> Jordan_U: heh iuf not I would have been kicked :P
[14:48] <xiusfist> how do I stop porn thumbnails from showing up on my unity Dash menu?
[14:49] <scottjl> stop surfing porn?
[14:49] <rizonz> Jordan_U: weird, my debmirror doesn't download the installer anymore
[14:49] <xiusfist> scottjl: nah
[14:50] <lucas-arg> having problems making nvidia gtx 950m work on ubuntu, after installing nvidia-375 lightdm wont start, system seems to be running at the background, i cant swtich to differents ttys using ubuntu 16.04.2
[14:53] <ducasse> xiusfist: like, file thumbnails? stash your pron somewhere it isn't indexed.
[14:55] <minimec> lucas-arg: Could be a similar problem I face. Can you once boot the system in recovery mode and then resume normal boot', when you get to the recovery menu screen?
[14:55] <lucas-arg> minimec, i cant boot normal, lightdm wont start... i can switch ttys
[14:55] <lucas-arg> minimec, had to remove nvidia-375 and reboot...
[14:56] <minimec> lucas-arg: I don't want you to boot 'normal'; I want you to boot 'recovery' and then continue with 'resume normal boot'
[14:57] <lucas-arg> minimec, i could do that, but still... cant start X with nvidia-375 and 950m
[14:57] <lucas-arg> seems to be a prime issue
[14:57] <lucas-arg> or at least nvidia optimus technology...
[14:57] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, Optimus hyprid gpu/graphics set up ?
[14:57] <lucas-arg> BluesKaj, yes
[14:57] <minimec> lucas-arg: Thing is, it could be that plymouth is the problem. So if you boot with 'recovery', there is no plymouth running...
[14:57] <BluesKaj> hybrid
[14:58] <lucas-arg> minimec, ill try
[14:58] <lucas-arg> dont know where linux is seated with this optimus thing
[14:58] <lucas-arg> hate it so much
[14:58] <skinux> Weird problem. I try to load a page on local Apache, server log says no valid protocol.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> lucas-arg, nvidia-prime and bumblebee installed might work, but it can be hit or miss
[14:59] <skinux> I know this sounds like an Apache problem, but I'm thinking maybe it isn't Apache.
[14:59] <lucas-arg> minimec, ill give you guess a try and see what happens
[15:03] <aadi> Any one using Ubuntu 17.04?
[15:03] <hihiihiii> hello
[15:03] <hihiihiii> hi
[15:03] <hihiihiii> hi
[15:03] <hihiihiii> ?
[15:03] <hihiihiii> listen
[15:03] <hihiihiii> I'm really confused by this website
[15:03] <Fuchs> hihiihiii: this website is a webchat :)
[15:03] <PipeItToDevNull> What site
[15:03] <aadi> hihiihiii, what website?
[15:04] <hihiihiii> I do love Courier New though
[15:04] <Fuchs> hihiihiii: you are in an IRC channel, which is basically a chat. The channel is used for support for the ubuntu operating system.
[15:04] <hihiihiii> FINALLY someone responds
[15:04] <PipeItToDevNull> He is on qwebirc
[15:04] <Fuchs> given he connects from webchat, my guess would be: freenode webchat.
[15:04] <hihiihiii> thank you all
[15:04] <PipeItToDevNull> hihiihiii, IRC is a famously slow process
[15:05] <dax> though in this case you only joined a minute ago, so
[15:05] <PipeItToDevNull> I have had a 5 exchange conversation over 8 hours XD
[15:05] <hihiihiii> Well yeah yeah, I was on some other channels hearing crickets
[15:05] <aadi> Leaving an LTS version, can cost me anyhow?
[15:06] <PipeItToDevNull> aadi, What?
[15:06] <blb3385> aadi: don't go for 17.04
[15:06] <blb3385> if it works for you - stay with the 16.04 lts
[15:07] <aadi> blb3385, Any reason?
[15:07] <blb3385> wait a sec
[15:07] <hihiihiii> can you send private messages...???...???...???
[15:07] <hihiihiii> You all seem to be experts
[15:07] <hihiihiii> I've not a clue what you're talking about with this 17.04 16.7
[15:07] <YankDownUnder> aadi: Time/energy, if anything.
[15:08] <YankDownUnder> aadi: ...and frustration...
[15:08] <hihiihiii> what is a Ping timeout
[15:08] <hihiihiii> what even is my life
[15:08] <aadi> YankDownUnder, Just curiosity :B
[15:09] <blb3385> aadi: https://pastebin.com/0yjQw4pb
[15:10] <EriC^^> !life
[15:10] <aadi> blb3385, Whats that url?
[15:11] <blb3385> aadi: click and read
[15:11] <blb3385> these are problems that I discovered so far
[15:12] <blb3385> 16.10 was ok though
[15:12] <aadi> blb3385, got that, but I am waiting for 18.04, GNOME returns :D
[15:13] <blb3385> they didn't actually improve anything in 17.04 but have broken many things
[15:13] <YankDownUnder> aadi: Gnome 3.20 can be *had* on 16.04...
[15:16] <lucas-arg> minimec, im on nvidia now seems to be some plymouth thing
[15:16] <aadi> YankDownUnder, The desktop environment? :o
[15:17] <YankDownUnder> aadi: Yersh.
[15:17] <aadi> YankDownUnder, I tried once but only got "Gnome flash tool"
[15:17] <aadi> YankDownUnder, So can you help me in installing GNOME desktop in my machine?
[15:17] <blackbird1> Hi, I get "gst-resource-error-quark" when I import a mp4 file with Pitivi
[15:17] <YankDownUnder> aadi: Did you get the proper PPA's...? That's kinda important...hmm...
[15:18] <minimec> lucas-arg: Ok. So the easiest way to get rid of the problem is probably to put a '#' in front of the line 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"' and replace it with 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""'
[15:18] <minimec> lucas-arg: in file /etc/default/grub...
[15:19] <minimec> lucas-arg: After having saved the edited file do 'sudo update-grup' in a terminal.
[15:19] <lucas-arg> minimec, ill give it a shot
[15:19] <aadi> YankDownUnder, I did that last month, Inshort I forgot what all I did :(
[15:19] <blackbird1> I have all gstreamer plugins installed (gstreamer1.0-libav, gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad, gstreamer1.0-plugins-base, gstreamer1.0-plugins-good, gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly)
[15:20] <YankDownUnder> aadi: Where did you get the PPA's from...? Webupd8?
[15:20] <minimec> lucas-arg: 'sudo update-grub', not 'sudo update-grup' obviously...
[15:23] <Hans-Martin> hi folks, I'm trying to use sound-juicer to rip my CD collection but it does not let me change the bitrate of the changed MP3 files. All web pages that I found provide help that does not seem to work with 17.04 anymore. Is there any solution that does not involve installing oodles of other obscure tools?
[15:23] <pseudoFabien> test
[15:23] <paven> test successful
[15:25] <xiusfist> what organization is in charge of creating the man pages for various linux commands?
[15:26] <aadi> YankDownUnder, Thats what I am saying man, I forgot :(
[15:26] <skinux> how do I check if I have SELinux?
[15:26] <YankDownUnder> xiusfist: It would generally be up to the person that wrote the program/utility...
[15:26] <skinux> Or, does 16.04.2 have SELinux by default?
[15:26] <YankDownUnder> aadi: It would be in your list of repositories...
[15:26] <blb3385> skinux: no selinux in ubuntu
[15:26] <Hans-Martin> xiusfist: primarily the original authors of the software, although sometimes manual pages get written by somebody else
[15:27] <blb3385> skinux: its apparmor
[15:27] <xiusfist> YankDownUnder: so it is not one person or a group but rather the creator of the program.
[15:27] <rypervenche> xiusfist: Usually, yep.
[15:27] <YankDownUnder> xiusfist: Yes...
[15:27] <skinux> Well, what is the right version of this?  /usr/sbin/setsebool httpd_can_network_connect 1
[15:28] <xiusfist> rypervenche: ok cool, the man pages are my favorite thing about linux so far. they are really well done.
[15:29] <blackbird1> Any help please ?
[15:30] <Hans-Martin> xiusfist: actually, many Linux tools are from teh GNU projects, Linux is basically just the kernel. You'll find similar good quality in all UNIX-like OSes.
[15:30] <rypervenche> xiusfist: Some aren't done as well :) Others are extremely useful. But most are quite good and can prevent you from having to look online for answers :)
[15:31] <ducasse> skinux: as ubuntu does not have selinux by default, that does not apply at all
[15:32] <genii> xiusfist: If you do: man man    ...and go to the bottom and read the HISTORY section, you can track who was responsible for the man system itself from 1990 onwards in the fork we are currently using
[15:32] <xiusfist> genii: I never thought to try that. That is a good idea.
[15:34] <lucas-arg> minimec, that worked but cant use nvidia-settings nvidia-prime query says im using nvidia
[15:35] <Jakeukalane> hello!  I want to do a copy of an entire partition of a mobile phone and save it to a file (an ISO?) I think I can use dd command,  how can I do this?
[15:36] <ikonia> you've just said, using the dd command
[15:36] <ikonia> it doesn't make much sense though
[15:36] <ikonia> I highly doubt it will be anything usable
[15:36] <Jakeukalane> I want to do then a photorec then to try to recover anything
[15:36] <skinux> ducasse: Hmm. I guess I don't have the answer to my problem then.
[15:36] <ikonia> unlikely it will work, but go for it
[15:37] <Jakeukalane> but I don't know how to do the dd
[15:37] <newbie123> https://paste2.org/UDtd4aD7 ....What is the meaning of these logs ?
[15:37] <ikonia> dd if=/your/source/partition of=/the/name/of/the/image/file
[15:37] <minimec> lucas-arg: I can't help you there. Maybe try to start it with 'sudo nvidia-settings'?
[15:38] <lucas-arg> minimec, tried but still does not start
[15:39] <Jakeukalane> thank you very much, I read dd have to be used with a lot of care, that's why I asked here too
[15:39] <skinux> Would apparmor be preventing connectiong to fcgi:127.0.0.1:9000 by any default configuration?
[15:40] <minimec> lucas-arg: Try to start it with the -V flag (verbose) 'nvidia-settings -V'. Maybe you get a useful error message.
[15:41] <Hans-Martin> Jakeukalane: dd is unsafe only when you write to a device directly that has data on it. Obviously, you can (and will) destroy your data then. Reading a device is safe.
[15:41] <Hans-Martin> Jakeukalane: but depending on your mobile phone OS, reading the device directly might not be possible unless you have rooted it.
[15:45] <genii> Jakeukalane: What OS is your phone using?
[15:51] <nello78> ciao a tutti!
[15:51] <genii> !it | nello78
[15:52] <nello78> ok, grazie
[16:01] <anddam> hello
[16:01] <anddam> using nethogs I see quite a bunch of connection from root user with hosts that appears to be owned by Google
[16:02] <anddam> I'm actually using Google's DNS but I wonder if a connection like    192.168.1.68:53306-172.217.23.100:80    makes sense since it's on TCP port 80
[16:02] <blackflow> anddam: netstat --inet -np should tell you which process is it
[16:04] <anddam> blackflow: nope, Program name column is unpopulated for those rows. I used sudo to run netstat
[16:05] <ash_workz> why would `ls /` hang?
[16:05] <ash_workz> what was that command that prints everything it's doing?
[16:05] <ash_workz> trace something
[16:06] <blackflow> anddam: lsof | grep TCP | grep ":53306"    with 53306 being the src port on your side
[16:06] <anddam> those are constantly varying
[16:07] <akik> ash_workz: strace -p pid
[16:07] <anddam> since those are outgoing ports
[16:07] <anddam> I'll try to make a sensible grep
[16:09] <blackflow> anddam: then try by IP, use -n for lsof
[16:09] <blackflow> anddam: but really, netstat should show them all, with process name, if you run as root
[16:10] <anddam> I wish that was the case, anything more than running with sudo?
[16:10] <anddam> anything more I could try, I mean
[16:10] <blackflow> anddam: and lsof?
[16:13] <anddam> odd, no 192.168.1.68 lines for user root, and if I grep lsof output for 192.168.1.68 I get only my own user commands
[16:14] <anddam> the commands are there in lsof, it may be just bogus output on nethogs' side
[16:14] <blackflow> I meant the target IP
[16:14] <blackflow> for the traffic you say is coming from the user root
[16:15] <blackflow> you could also use tcpdump with -x (iirc) and -w  and then view the resulting file with wireshark ,check the contents of those requests
[16:15] <blackflow> no, just -w will suffice
[16:15] <blackflow> but that netstat shows no process name for those connections is highly suspicious. either that's not the same traffic, or you're not using sudo, or your netstat is trojaned.
[16:16] <ash_workz> thanks ak
[16:16] <ash_workz> akik:
[16:16] <ash_workz> ^
[16:18] <ByteMore> The networkcard Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 (ath10k_pci) is a nightmare. Is there any way to get it to really work, without having to disable 5 Ghz wifi and disabling bluetooth!! to get any speed over 1MB/s?
[16:20] <Sparrow__> Ateros up to 9 worked using nohwcrypt=1 in grub  not sure about 10
[16:22] <ByteMore> I'll try that
[16:23] <Sparrow__> Ateros  nohwcrypt=1 in grub where you have quiet and splash
[16:26] <anddam> blackflow: I doubt I've been trojaned, unless it was some automatic script
[16:26] <anddam> I'm not an high-profile target
[16:27] <anddam> the target addresses are ever changing but they are all either Google's or 1e100.net that is Google Operated (from the whois info)
[16:28] <anddam> I won't worry too much, not more than usual anyway while consciously using Google's products
[16:28] <selsper_> hi, how do i install libglew1.10?
[16:29] <MonkeyDust> !fin glibglew
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> !find libglew
[16:30] <selsper_> E: Package 'libglew1.10' has no installation candidate
[16:30] <L72g5sSq> My firm is having me pick a work laptop. Any recommendations? I want the laptop to work reasonably well with Ubuntu.
[16:30] <L72g5sSq> Preferably something business grade, not consumer.
[16:31] <akik> L72g5sSq: dell xps 13
[16:32] <PipeItToDevNull> L72g5sSq, system76 also has laptops made for Linux
[16:33] <selsper_> yeah i dont know how that page helps
[16:34] <L72g5sSq> akik: Oh nice I didn't realize Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu installed. Thanks.
[16:34] <ikonia> L72g5sSq: if you're doing "business grade" work on linux, I'd expect a more detailed research process than asking on IRC
[16:34] <L72g5sSq> PipeItToDevNull: Are they reputable? Never heard of system76
[16:34] <JonMelamut> L72g5sSq, full disclosure I used to work at Canonical, but I am a big fan of the XPS 13 with Ubuntu pre-installed.  I have bought two with my own money over the past 5 years.  If it a great lightweight, powerful system.  If you don't get that, I would recommend you get something with Intel components
[16:34] <ikonia> dell used to customize the ubuntu install a bit - so be careful
[16:35] <PipeItToDevNull> L72g5sSq, I cannot attest to anything, they crossed my feed the other day
[16:35] <JonMelamut> L72g5sSq, System76 is also good. some very high end (tech and media) companies use them
[16:35] <L72g5sSq> JonMelamut: Thanks, yeah it's nice to see a vendor selling laptops with Linux pre-installed. I just want everything to work and not have to deal with potential driver issues.
[16:35] <L72g5sSq> JonMelamut: I see, okay.
[16:36] <JonMelamut> L72g5sSq, good luck, let me know what you get
[16:47] <BlitzerHound> Okay so quick question with a hopefully simple answer. A cat peed on my laptop, and my keyboard started freaking out so I bought a new one. Is there a way to disable my laptop keyboard and only use this new one?
[16:49] <dopiwan_> BlitzerHound:  open the case, unplug the ribbon cable to your keyboard
[16:49] <BlitzerHound> Oh god that sounds like it'd be possibly dangerous. ._.
[16:49] <BlitzerHound> Would it be easy to tell which one it is?
[16:51] <BlitzerHound> Is there no way to do it via the command terminal?
[16:52] <__Yiota> are there any solutions to mounting a linux kernel over a connection, use the osx gui on my laptop and run processes on the box?
[16:52] <__Yiota> I know of sshfs but is there anything else?
[16:54] <akik> __Yiota: you don't mount a linux kernel, but you could use x2go to access gui apps on the linux server
[16:55] <ikonia> "mounting a linux kernel" ?
[16:55] <ikonia> what ?
[16:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:56] <meshita> yes
[16:56] <ByteMy> Sparrow__: nohwcrypt=1 doesn't help on Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 ath10
[16:57] <__Yiota> akik, my servers are running 16.04
[16:57] <__Yiota> I can still run GUI apps there?
[16:57] <ikonia> __Yiota: what exactly are you trying to do ?
[16:57] <__Yiota> at least most of the things I need are on the web
[16:57] <ikonia> run applications on alinux machine but have the display render on your mac ?
[16:58] <__Yiota> the applications are web
[16:58] <__Yiota> jupyter notebook and node4j
[16:58] <__Yiota> neo4j*
[16:58] <__Yiota> I can already ssh tunnel and open them locally
[16:58] <ikonia> __Yiota: what exactly are you trying to do
[16:59] <__Yiota> I want the best tool to access the fs and processing power of my nodes
[17:00] <ikonia> what do you mean by access ?
[17:00] <ikonia> you're not really making sense
[17:01] <__Yiota> I want to have interoperability between macOS's GUI and the filesystem/processing power on a box in the cloud
[17:01] <__Yiota> say, run pgadmin GUI locally and have it connect to the box
[17:01] <__Yiota> are there tools like that built?
[17:02] <ikonia> you can interact with serivices,
[17:02] <ikonia> eg: run postgres admin in a browser on your mac that is managing the postgres DB on your linux machine
[17:03] <ikonia> you really need to give an example or the real problem you're facing
[17:03] <ikonia> as "access the processing power" isn't really a real question
[17:04] <__Yiota> my apologies
[17:04] <user8> hi
[17:04] <ikonia> no need for apologies,
[17:06] <user8> how to save temporary file on youtube
[17:06] <ByteMy> If anyone else has Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 ath10 and running 4.10 kernel. Only use 2.4 Ghz and do NOT connect anything to bluetooth. Connecting to bluetooth almost kills the connection
[17:06] <aleb> blackbird1: What's the actual problem? Can you use the mp4 file?
[17:06] <aleb> blackbird1: Maybe join #pitivi
[17:07] <akik> ByteMy: i'm running ath10k on kubuntu 14.04 and no problems
[17:07] <ByteMore> Is it  Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377?
[17:08] <akik> ByteMore: i remember that it was not supported in 16.04 at first and you needed to download the firmware bin separately
[17:08] <akik> ByteMore: yes
[17:08] <ByteMore> akik: The firmware is in the 4.10 kernel
[17:10] <Sparrow__> user8, youtube-dl
[17:11] <ByteMore> akik: Are you able to watch a movie and output the sound to bluetooth, without the connection slows to a crawl?
[17:12] <akik> ByteMore: i'm not using bluetooth, but 5 gig wlan works fine
[17:12] <user8> thanks Sparrow__
[17:12] <Sparrow__> user8, as in using the terminal youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nPONxMNlbM
[17:13] <ByteMore> akik: also when downloading a big file, like a couple og GB size?
[17:13] <ByteMore> og of
[17:13] <akik> ByteMore: not that i've noticed. i can test now
[17:14] <ByteMore> akik: Thanks
[17:14] <cssrr> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once
[17:15] <Polarcraft> Well then that is a way of getting banned.
[17:15] <Polarcraft> s/'a way'/'one way'
[17:17] <Scungielli> is there some sort of terminal command or something I can do to make my OS load a program on start up?
[17:17] <ByteMore> Scungielli: crontab
[17:18] <ducasse> Scungielli: depends on exactly what you mean
[17:18] <Scungielli> I want Dropbox to load up on system start up
[17:18] <Scungielli> and it doesn't despite that it should
[17:18] <Scungielli> so I just click to open it and it runs
[17:18] <Scungielli> but I'd like to automate that
[17:18] <akik> ByteMore: i don't get a slowdown on download
[17:21] <ByteMore> akik: Thanks for testing. Did do this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304250 to get it to work?
[17:21] <ducasse> Scungielli: which desktop are you using?
[17:22] <Scungielli> AntiX
[17:22] <Scungielli> ICEWM
[17:23] <ducasse> Scungielli: not supported here, then
[17:27] <akik> ByteMore: i downloaded the firmware file from https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware
[17:28] <ByteMore> akik: Ok I'll try that
[17:30] <akik> ByteMore: it goes to /lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/firmware-5.bin
[17:31] <ByteMore> akik: Great, thanks
[17:41] <Azulflame> What are the major differences between 16.04 and 17.04? I don't know where to find the changelog.
[17:42] <kubunted> where is libportaudio.so.2 ?
[17:42] <kubunted> not installable via apt-get
[17:42] <ducasse> Azulflame: see the release notes for 16.10 and 17.04
[17:42] <kostkon> !find libportaudio.so.2
[17:42] <pavlos> Azulflame: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/Beta1/UbuntuGNOME
[17:42] <kubunted> thanx
[17:42] <kubunted> will try
[17:43] <Azulflame> What's the next LTS version going to be? 18.04?
[17:43] <Sparrow__> kostkon, Thats a handy bot
[17:43] <ducasse> Azulflame: yes
[17:44] <kostkon> kubunted, if that does not work, try installing the 32bit as well,   sudo apt-get install libportaudio2:i386
[17:44] <kostkon> !ubotu | Sparrow__
[17:44] <ducasse> Azulflame: lts is always <even number>.04
[17:44] <Azulflame> is there a major difference between <even.10> and <odd.04> releases as far as support goes?
[17:44] <Azulflame> or is the <odd.04> just to show major changes
[17:44] <ducasse> Azulflame: no, 9 months
[17:44] <Azulflame> and <whatever.10> for incrimental changes and updates
[17:45] <kubunted> ok works now. thanx
[17:46] <Azulflame> I'll probably keep 16.04 until 18.04 updates
[17:46] <Azulflame> *releases
[17:47] <wafflejock> Azulflame, the LTS releases are every 2 years so even years are LTS
[17:48] <wafflejock> !lts
[17:49] <Sagiri> Is there an official term that encompasses all releases that are not LTS? Like, something that would count 16.10 and 17
[17:49] <Sagiri> 17.04, but not 16.04?
[17:49] <wafflejock> not lts :)
[17:50] <BlitzerHound> I feel so smart lmao. I finally got my laptop taken apart and slipped my finger in to pull out that ribbon cable. Thanks, works perfectly now.
[17:50] <BlitzerHound> I was scared 'cause I've never opened a laptop
[17:54] <Hans-Martin> Sagiri: STS (short term support) maybe?
[18:02] <sala_> how can i get  help in php programing i  get aproblem in  login page
[18:03] <wafflejock> sala_, try ##php
[18:03] <sala_> ##php
[18:03] <scottjl> no. /join ##php
[18:04] <wafflejock> sala_,  /join ##php :)
[18:06] <zukizukito> whats your opinion about installing kubuntu and installing ubuntu with kde package
[18:07] <scottjl> friends don't let friends use kde.
[18:07] <zukizukito> you dont like kde?
[18:07] <scottjl> you asked my opinion.
[18:07] <zukizukito> yea
[18:08] <zukizukito> so whatabout the stability issues ?
[18:08] <zukizukito> ubuntu vs kubuntu
[18:08] <scottjl> in theory K is as stable as ubuntu
[18:08] <zukizukito> just in theory ?
[18:09] <scottjl> it is, after all, just ubuntu with kde pre-installed.
[18:09] <scottjl> well. can't speak for the stability (good or bad) of kde.
[18:09] <zukizukito> but the package sdeveloped for kubuntu and ubuntu are different right ?
[18:09] <scottjl> if you want to run kde and are just setting up, install kbuntu. if you already have your system up, install kde onto it.
[18:10] <scottjl> they are supposed to be the same.
[18:10] <scottjl> but you should get verification from the kde folk. this is the ubuntu channel
[18:10] <zukizukito> hmmm
[18:10] <sala_> wafflejock: how can i register after i get in
[18:10] <scottjl>  /join #kubuntu
[18:11] <scottjl> they'll know more than most here do
[18:11] <zukizukito> thanks mate
[18:12] <tomreyn> zukizukito: all packages are the same, just one of these flavors doe snot come with the packages the other has, and vice cersa.
[18:12] <tomreyn> i.e. the difference is 'just' in the graphical desktop
[18:13] <zukizukito> ok , i get it ,thank you
[18:13] <scottjl> i think he was asking is kubuntu install == ubuntu + kde installed.
[18:13] <zukizukito> :)
[18:13] <tomreyn> you can actually have multiple desktops installe dnext to another and choose which one to use during login
[18:13] <zukizukito> and how can i do that ?
[18:14] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get install ...-desktop
[18:14] <tomreyn> replace ... by one of ubuntu (unity), xubuntu, kubuntu ...
[18:14] <zukizukito> ok
[18:15] <wafflejock> !register > sala_ see the private message for details on registering on IRC
[18:16] <wafflejock> sala_, once you register a nick (basically associate an email and password) then you register with the nick in your IRC client and can join rooms that require registration
[18:16] <sala_> wafflejock: thanks
[18:17] <wafflejock> sala_, no prob rooms do that to try and mitigate spammers I believe
[18:18] <DjinnJews> quick question: got Ubuntu-Server 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" and when i log in i have a taskbar but not a proper desktop (no folders/files show up, only through file explorer) what can i do to change it?
[18:20] <ByteMore> akik: No differences with https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware
[18:21] <Bashing-om> DjinnJews: A server default install has no GUI . What have you done to change that ?
[18:28] <DjinnJews> Bashing-om: I didnt change anything, its just a VM that the uni provides with everything i need installed i just find it annoying it has no desktop and wanted to be able to have one
[18:30] <Bashing-om> DjinnJews: Think twice for a GUI on a server . a GUI is overhead that takes away from the server's resources and more so presents security issues .
[18:32] <DjinnJews> Bashing-om: I see, then i wont bother going for it, since it's jsut a slight inconvenience. Thanks for the info tho!
[18:32] <Bashing-om> DjinnJews: Can be done .. but there is that learning curve to deal with the security of the server !
[18:33] <DjinnJews> Bashing-om: I just dont see why they give us a sever VM, dont see a point to it...
[18:34] <nacc> DjinnJews: you don't need a GUI to do most things
[18:35] <DjinnJews> Im just a noob that likes comfy and easy-on-the-eyes stuff
[18:35] <DjinnJews> linux is not my cup of tea (yet)
[18:38] <Bashing-om> DjinnJews: consider: 96% of the servers in the world run on linux . recon why ?
[18:38] <zero1ce> hi
[18:39] <tag> So, I have been frequently running into this issue where processes are getting hung in a D state
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> an mobile phones (android)
[18:39] <tag> and then I cannot kill them, and I have difficulty starting new processes — even init
[18:39] <DjinnJews> because linux > all + open
[18:39] <tag> which means restarting becomes problematic
[18:39] <tag> and I can only halt the system but doing a hard reset.
[18:39] <tag> ...this has been happening *frequently*, also
[18:39] <tag> since updating to 17.04.
[18:40] <DjinnJews> i know that, im just starting (well this is my 3rd year using it but in terms of a linux user im stil at the beginning)
[18:40] <tag> I've done a cursory search but found no bugs, does anyone know anything about this issue?
[18:40] <tag> It's very difficult to collect any stats or do any investigation when my system is in this state.
[18:41] <tag> No ideas?
[18:42] <ChaiTRex> tag: Is your software updated?
[18:42] <ChaiTRex> tag: There may be bug fixes out.
[18:43] <ChaiTRex> tag: Also, what do you mean when you have trouble starting init? Is it not running already?
[18:44] <tag> ChaiTRex, I mean using init as a control process, e.g. `init 6`.
[18:45] <Sparrow__> tag, Id look at your sources list to see what you added
[18:46] <tag> Sparrow__, http://sprunge.us/DFOc?txt ... should be nothing out of the ordinary
[18:46] <tag> in fact I think these are *only* the standard ones. I had two third party ones enabled (atlassian, google) but I disabled them before upgrading.
[18:47] <ChaiTRex> tag: What process is stalling? Random ones? The same ones each time?
[18:47] <Sparrow__> tag, and that is where it goes wrong, just disabling them is not an end all fix for odd repos
[18:47] <tag> Sparrow__, Okay, but it's firefox going into a this uninterruptable state
[18:51] <Buranran> hello! could anybody help me, I have ubuntu xenial and would like to install packages from debian jessie are there any ways to do that right without breaking system? :)
[18:51] <tag> And I'm fully up to date, fwiw.
[18:51] <ChaiTRex> tag: Since D has to do with I/O that's not finishing, check your hard drive (SMART test).
[18:52] <nacc> Buranran: not guaranteedly, no
[18:52] <nacc> Buranran: run debian in a VM or container?
[18:52] <ChaiTRex> tag: If the hard drive is good, you can, if you want, use `apport-bug firefox` to report a bug.
[18:52] <mcphail> Buranran: or a chroot
[18:52] <Buranran> nah, I'd like to install spectrum2 package but its availible only on jessie
[18:53] <Buranran> not sure whats better to compile from source code and get deb or just download deb from jessie
[18:53] <Buranran> I'd like just to dpkg -i :)
[18:54] <ChaiTRex> Buranran: On recent Ubuntu versions, `apt install whatever.deb` works better than `dpkg -i`, since it eliminates the need for `apt install -f`.
[18:54] <Buranran> oh I didnt know, thx!
[18:54] <ChaiTRex> Buranran: You're welcome.
[18:55] <nacc> Buranran: what pkg exactly?
[18:55] <mcphail> Buranran: you can unpack the deb somewhere safe, unpack all the dependencies somewhere safe, and call it setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the libs. Fiddly, but it will usually work and won't break ubuntu
[18:56] <Buranran> mcphail, nice idea, will try like that
[18:58] <Sparrow__> Buranran, Try the install in a live session
[18:59] <Buranran> in virtualbox, right
[18:59] <Buranran> even safier x)
[19:03] <Buranran> nacc, spectrum2_1%3a2.0.3-1_amd64.deb
[19:08] <nacc> Buranran: there is no such package in debian currently
[19:09] <Buranran> nacc, its in repository http://packages.spectrum.im/spectrum2/
[19:09] <Buranran> http://spectrum.im/documentation/installation/packages_debian_ubuntu.html
[19:09] <nacc> Buranran: so *not* a debian jessie pacakge
[19:09] <nacc> Buranran: seriously, you want to ask if a non-debian package can be installed on ubuntu?
[19:09] <Buranran> oooookaaay its not ....
[19:09] <nacc> Buranran: you can do whatever you want, you're root
[19:10] <Buranran> and I'm live cd!
[19:10] <nacc> Buranran: next time, don't intentinoally deceieve
[19:10] <Buranran> sry >_<
[19:10] <Buranran> but I've got nice ideas :)
[19:10] <Buranran> thanks
[19:16] <ash_workz> okay, I need help understanding some basic stuff again
[19:17] <ash_workz> can any kind of drive be mounted as an nfs shared drive?
[19:17] <nacc> ash_workz: you mount an nfs share as an nfs shared drive
[19:18] <nacc> ash_workz: do you mean exporting a fs as nfs?
[19:22] <ash_workz> nacc: no, I mean, I really don't have a good grasp for this stuff
[19:22] <ash_workz> nacc: so, when in doubt, assume I'm missing some fundamental piece of information
[19:23] <ash_workz> nacc: but at work we have an nfs drive and a zfs drive... I think. And the zfs drive is actually pretty big
[19:23] <christian_> hallo kann kein wine install
[19:23] <christian_> hat wer ein tipp
[19:23] <ash_workz> nacc: I am trying to think of ways to accomodate large amounts of cache files without having to utilize something like 'Unison' (which I just found today)
[19:24] <ash_workz> nacc: atm I'm just syncing files between servers
[19:24] <ash_workz>  nacc I thought if I moved this to a docker swarm, I could have a volume shared across the cluster
[19:24] <blackflow> !de christian_
[19:25] <blackflow> !de | christian_
[19:25] <ash_workz> nacc: but when I look into the docs about this, I get confused because there are various types of mounts one can do using docker (nfs & gluster are apparently popular)
[19:26] <ash_workz> nacc: but it's kind of over my head because I don't really know what can and cannot make up such a utility
[19:27] <ash_workz> nacc: my ultimate objective is just to have a central source for cache files that all nodes can reference; always up (so probably have 1 replica)
[19:27] <ash_workz> (erm, 2*)
[19:28] <chingao> I'm looking to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 which I have running via VirtualBox. If something goes wrong during the upgrade, can I just revert to the previous snapshot which will be taken while the system is still 14.04?
[19:29] <ikonia> chingao: you can always revert to a snapshot you have taken
[19:29] <ikonia> thats the whole point of a snapshot
[19:30] <nacc> ash_workz: ok, so terminology: for nfs, there are (clearly) clients and server
[19:30] <nacc> ash_workz: the server exports a (effectively) directory over NFS
[19:30] <nacc> ash_workz: the clients mount the server's export locally as NFS
[19:30] <chingao> ikonia, yeah...just first time I am upgrading Ubuntu. I use it at work to get things done. I just want to make sure I have a working backup in case anything strange happens. Thanks for answering my question.
[19:30] <ikonia> chingao: if you have a working backup is nothing to do with ubuntu
[19:30] <ikonia> chingao: thats up to you
[19:38] <cambazz> hello, i made a wifi-to-serial bridge using esp8266 chip, basically i can telnet to some ip, and get connected like a serial port
[19:38] <dannyjazz> how do I log in as a root
[19:38] <cambazz> now i want to nc that into a serial port like /dev/ttyxxx
[19:38] <cambazz> any ideas?
[19:38] <ikonia> dannyjazz: login to what as root
[19:38] <ikonia> cambazz: nc is tcp - not device
[19:39] <dannyjazz> I try my passwr it says wrong password even if I'm sure I used the right password
[19:39] <technochips> dannyjazz: you can only login as root on a virtual terminal i think
[19:39] <ikonia> dannyjazz: there is no root password
[19:39] <ikonia> dannyjazz: you use "sudo $command"
[19:39] <ikonia> dannyjazz: eg: "sudo rm /tmp/file"
[19:39] <dannyjazz> meaning from another compueter
[19:39] <nacc> technochips: not true
[19:39] <ikonia> dannyjazz: you use your user accont password to auth the sudo command
[19:39] <dannyjazz> oops comjputer?
[19:39] <ikonia> dannyjazz: you don't login as root directly
[19:40] <technochips> dannyjazz: you can type "passwd root" to change root password
[19:40] <nacc> dannyjazz: do you mean ssh?
[19:40] <nacc> technochips: that is not considered good advice for ubuntu
[19:40] <technochips> k then
[19:40] <codelina> yo
[19:40] <dannyjazz> I'm playing with appache2
[19:40] <nacc> dannyjazz: apache2 won't require you to login
[19:40] <dannyjazz> there is a file I need to modify as root
[19:40] <nacc> dannyjazz: please state in one line your actual issue
[19:41] <dannyjazz> the apache2.conf
[19:41] <nacc> dannyjazz: ssh to the remote system, run `sudo $EDITOR /etc/apache2/apache2.conf` once on the remote system
[19:43] <mikeymop> nacc: inb4 'it says $EDITOR is not a known pacakge'
[19:43] <dannyjazz> do I need to configure ssh first?
[19:44] <nacc> mikeymop: "inb4"?
[19:44] <nacc> mikeymop: EDITOR being whatever eidtor you want to use
[19:44] <ash_workz> nacc: I see. So that does kind of imply that any fs can be an nfs, right?
[19:44] <nacc> dannyjazz: i'm not sure how you are getting to the remote system without ssh?
[19:45] <nacc> ash_workz: nfs is sort of a network-layer abstraction, yes
[19:45] <technochips> nacc: "inb4" means "in before", "usually to signify what people usually would/will say about something" (source: reddit)
[19:46] <lkh> hi there, i have this ongoing problem with unstable wifi. The connection keeps dropping at random intervals with reason=4 - what does that mean?
[19:46] <nacc> technochips: interersting (and ridiculous, IMO, but ok)
[19:53] <ntbg> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:53] <ntbg> When running 'apt-get install perl:armhf' in a chroot based on xenial 16.04 armhf (on an amd64 host) I get the following error:  perl:armhf : Depends: perl-base:armhf (= 5.22.1-9) but it is not going to be installed. How do I install perl:armhf along side perl:amd64?
[19:53] <dannyjazz> how come I cannot use the command ipconfig ?
[19:54] <mikeymop> nacc: inb4 is like 'calling this before it happens'
[19:54] <mikeymop> nacc: see urbandictionary
[19:54] <mikeymop> dannyjazz: use ifconfig
[19:54] <dannyjazz> thganks
[19:57] <dannyjazz> what port do I use for ssh?
[19:57] <dannyjazz> xubuntu
[19:59] <dax> 22 is the default
[20:03] <Hejkki> Hello. Is there a command line tool for this: I have a .jpg file that has GPS data present. i'd like to know in what country it is taken, and if possible, on what city
[20:03] <Hejkki> GPS data in EXIF
[20:04] <zap0> Hejkki, i use nConvert on windows..  might have a linux ver.. google it
[20:05] <ntbg> How do you install perl:amd64 and perl:armhf without conflict?
[20:06] <Hejkki> zap0: i don't like to convert the photo, i need to get the city and country of the coordinates from exif
[20:06] <YankDownUnder> "convert" is part of the ImageMagick collection of utilities...you should be able to extract the EXIF information using that...
[20:06] <zap0> Hejkki, it's just a command line app... you go like  nConvert -gimme_the_exif  and it will output to stdout the  exif text.
[20:07] <Hejkki> hello guys... i know how to extract the exif, but the gps data never comes with city and country, they need to be get separately
[20:07] <zap0> Hejkki, also what YankDownUnder said sounds right too
[20:07] <Hejkki> the gps device does not know in what country you are in, it only knows the coordinates
[20:07] <Hejkki> and the counrry name isn't present in the exif
[20:07] <zap0> so you want a co-ord to country lookup?
[20:08] <Hejkki> yea
[20:08] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: https://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php
[20:08] <Hejkki> or if available, even the city
[20:08] <zap0> that's not even related to exif!
[20:08] <Hejkki> related? Yes it is, the gps data is in exif
[20:09] <zap0> it's 2 seperate problems.
[20:09] <Hejkki> yea i know
[20:10] <ppf> !info mediawiki
[20:10] <Hejkki> i was hoping there is a ready-to-use tool like this: whatcountrytaken some.jpg
[20:10] <ppf> !info mediawiki xenial
[20:10] <ppf> why isn't that in the lts ...
[20:11] <zap0> some counties are divided by a 3metre creek..   that's a lot of lookup data to isolate ever 3meters on earth to a specific country.
[20:11] <ntbg> !info perl
[20:11] <ntbg> !info perl:armhf
[20:11] <al2o3-cr> !info exiftool
[20:11] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: Look at this: https://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php [20:11] <ppf> is there a sane way to install mediawiki on an ubuntu xenial server?
[20:11] <Hejkki> zap0: i knwo there is such a tool for php, but i don't remember the name, and i'd like to have one for bash/linux
[20:12] <zap0> Hejkki ask in #php for it's name
[20:13] <al2o3-cr> !info libimage-exiftool-perl
[20:13] <genii> !info exiv2
[20:19] <zap0> Hejkki, i have a postgres db of bounding boxes for countries.  but they overlap a bit.
[20:21] <zap0> https://www.maxmind.com/en/free-world-cities-database    33meg db
[20:22] <nacc> ntbg: you cannot
[20:23] <nacc> ntbg: it doesn't make snese to install pakcages for a different architecture
[20:25] <codelina> Anyone know about some good exercises for getting used to common terminal commands and Linux file structure?
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> !bash | codelina start here
[20:26] <YankDownUnder> codelina: There's also: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[20:27] <Bashing-om> codelina: Ya get through : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide you will be in good shape :)
[20:27] <codelina> Sweet. Thanks. I think I can catch on pretty quick, but without guidance on what stuff is for and how to use it (and barring holding an expert hostage while I ask), I don't know how well "exploring" would do for me.
[20:28]  * codelina complete n00b
[20:28] <Bashing-om> codelina: We did it, you can too . We were all new at one time .
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: Just was looking through available software - some to think about: exif, exifprobe, exiftags, gpscorrelate + gpscorrelate-gui, exiv2, jhead and metacam.
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: exploring is, honestly, the best way
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: also, you should have a goal in mind, what you said was really broad
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> I was never new, Bashing-om
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: so why do you want to know how to use the terminal, e.g.?
[20:30] <codelina> I just know my learning style. Throw me into an atmosphere where I can't even tell what way is up and i be like "cd / <enter> cd ~ <enter> ... *2000 cds later* IS THERE MORE TO LIFE THAN THIS???"
[20:30] <codelina> I'm gonna be a hacker when I grows up
[20:30] <bbbbb> this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173 made me have like 50gigs worth of .log files should i just delete all my sys and kernellogs or is there an ez way to delete all lines that have "pcieport" in them, its not like they have any valuable info in them anyways so i can safely delete them right?
[20:31] <codelina> I did learn about grep. Would that help bbbbb?
[20:31] <nacc> bbbbb: you can sed out lines in them, but it sounds like they will just fill up again
[20:31] <YankDownUnder> "Hacker". Ah. Right. Maybe "security professional" would be a better term...
[20:32] <codelina> Well, I'm using it in the generalest way possible. Like how kids want to be an astronaut when they grow up, but when they get there, their title is a lot more complicated than that.
[20:33] <codelina> I was told to learn Linux as a good starting point. So I here. :D
[20:33] <skinux> How do I determine if AppArmor is blocking FCGI connections?
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> I wanted to be an archaeologist/Egyptologist. Funny how that works.
[20:34] <nacc> skinux: you will see messages in syslog
[20:34] <skinux> Well, would it have a profile for FGCI by default?
[20:35] <Hejkki> there is from geonames.org it is possible to download a database in sql format for example for coordinate -> country conversion,
[20:35] <Hejkki> -typos
[20:35] <nacc> skinux: i don't know, but apparmor will tell you when it denies something
[20:36] <skinux> It'll tell me in syslog or some other way?
[20:36] <slacko64_5160> HELLO
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: in syslog
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: more than likely, though, it's a firewall issue or something, i doubt it
[20:36] <Hejkki> YankDownUnder: gpscorrelate updates the gps information (coordinates) to a jpg file, it has nothing to do with country names
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: *i doubt it's apparmor
[20:37] <skinux> Well, I haven't changed any firewall config, so that can't be it. Not even sure a firewall is running
[20:37] <Hejkki> i already have the gps data present in the jpg file, the coordinates, but of course not the country names
[20:37] <nacc> skinux: what is your error?
[20:37] <slacko64_5160> M
[20:37] <skinux> [Mon May 01 08:08:47.101902 2017] [proxy:error] [pid 584:tid 140131033908992] (111)Connection refused: AH00957: FCGI: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:9000 (*) failed
[20:38] <slacko64_5160> HOW TO CHANGE NAME
[20:38] <ChaiTRex> slacko64_5160: Please don't use all caps. Which name?
[20:38] <nacc> skinux: and is anything listening on port 9000 (sudo netstat -pan | grep 9000) ?
[20:38] <skinux> Returns nothing
[20:39] <nacc> skinux: then that's why it fails
[20:39] <nacc> skinux: what do you expect to be listening on port 9000? what is your configuration?
[20:40] <skinux> Apache is configured to listen on port 9000
[20:40] <skinux> Or FastCGI is
[20:40] <nacc> skinux: well it's not, or it would be in the netstat output
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: are you trying to use fpm?
[20:41] <skinux> Yes
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: did you tell fpm to listen on port 9000?
[20:41] <skinux> I see, apache is configured to pass along to port 9000, that isn't FastCGI's configuration though.
[20:42] <slacko64_5160> Sorry, the name on the chat app
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: right, so you've told apache to redirect to something that doesn't exist
[20:44] <sjohnson> hi guys.  i'm trying to use build-dep and it's saying i don't have any URIs in sources.list.
[20:44] <sjohnson> i looked the file and there's like 6 or 7 lines with commented-out deb-src
[20:44] <nacc> sjohnson: i beleive it says you have no source URIs
[20:44] <sjohnson> not sure what i'm supposed to do to get it it work... uncomment the top line... or all of them... etc?
[20:44] <nacc> sjohnson: why are you building a package locally?
[20:44] <sjohnson> so i can compile it.
[20:44] <sjohnson> weechat, in particular.
[20:45] <nacc> sjohnson: ... i asked *why*?
[20:45] <sjohnson> why not?
[20:45] <nacc> sjohnson: because you cease to be using ubuntu once you do that, and it's not supported
[20:45] <nacc> it = your new package
[20:45] <nacc> !info weechat
[20:45] <nacc> weechat is also in the archives already
[20:45] <sjohnson> hmm, when i did it it installed some 1.4 version.
[20:45] <nacc> !latest | sjohnson
[20:48] <sjohnson> hmm.
[20:48] <sjohnson> well i suppose i could stop doing what i'm doing.
[20:48] <sjohnson> *worried*
[20:48] <nacc> sjohnson: it also is way more sensible to use a PPA to build things then do it locally
[20:48] <sjohnson> !ppa > me
[20:49] <nacc> sjohnson: or a chroot (see sbuild) or container (lxd)
[20:49] <nacc> sjohnson: you really don't want to muck up your host just to build things
[20:50] <sjohnson> true.
[20:52] <julien> Hello :)
[20:52] <Guest10723> Anyone here?
[20:53] <YankDownUnder> !ask
[20:54] <ChaiTRex> Guest10723: There are 1828 users here.
[20:54] <Guest10723> I'm looking for an
[20:54] <Guest10723> I'm looking for meet ubuntu girls dating communauty
[20:54] <sjohnson> aren't we all?
[20:55] <YankDownUnder> Guest10723: Try in the channel: #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[20:55] <gsvjusttesting> does anyone know when precise will be removed from the mirrors?
[20:55] <Guest10723> Of course ! but there is one ?
[20:55] <dax> Guest10723: No.
[20:55] <Guest10723> I'm sure an woman with somes Linux skills are Hotter in bed
[20:56] <dax> Guest10723: grow up
[20:56] <nacc> Guest10723: stop.
[20:56] <eelstrebor> does anyone know how to use hplip manager to print odd pages only?
[20:56] <gsvjusttesting> or is there like...an ubuntu-infra channel?
[20:59] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: So 'end of life' date was Friday, April 28th. I don't know, when it will be moved form the 'current releases' repo. What I do know is, that the repos will land here... http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[21:00] <ChaiTRex> Is there some specific way to push to get the mini ISO page updated?
[21:00] <nacc> ChaiTRex: which page and what needs updating?
[21:01] <ChaiTRex> It has 12.04 and is missing 17.04. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:01] <JimmyNeutron> On Ubuntu 17.04, is there something equilvalent to this to switch between Python 3.5 and Python 3.6?  update-alternatives --config java
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: no, you don't wnat to do that
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: python3.6 is in universe, python3.5 is in main
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: and if 3.6 did something that was not BC to 3.5, and some other script depended on it, you've fubar'd your system
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: so invoke the python you want (python3 for 3.5 or python3.6 for 3.6)
[21:03] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, ok.  Right now, in order for me to get virtualenvwrapper to use python3.6, I have to change the symlink; ln -s /usr/bin/python3.6 /usr/bin/python3
[21:03] <JimmyNeutron> but i guess thats a no-no too
[21:03] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: no, that's just as bad
[21:03] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: and is not different than what you suggested earlier really :)
[21:04] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: update-alternatives is just a symlink manager
[21:04] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, what's the recommended way to use python 3.6 w/ virtualenvwrapper?
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: it also refers to 64-bit powerpc which doesn't exist :)
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: or should be ppc64el if that's what it means
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: and 32-bit powerpc is gone
[21:04] <JimmyNeutron> I'll google search it, but asking just in case u know. :)
[21:05] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: is virtualenvwrapper itself a python script?
[21:05] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, Its a shell script
[21:06] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, I'll check with #python channel.  I'm sure I'm not the first to want to use python 3.6 on Ubuntu 17.04
[21:06] <JimmyNeutron> Thanks!
[21:07] <ChaiTRex> nacc: They list those as unofficial versions (with the double asterisk).
[21:08] <ChaiTRex> nacc: There must be someone compiling them outside of Canonical or whatever.
[21:08] <bruda> Hello. I installed a command line installation via network installer. It saved the wifi connection somewhere in my installation. Can anyone tell me what is being used to manage wifi by default in 17.094
[21:08] <bruda> *17.04
[21:09] <bruda> Or maybe where it would have saved the wifi connection I used during install?
[21:10] <nacc> ChaiTRex: interesting, i'll fix it up
[21:10] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Thanks :)
[21:12] <bruda> Nobody eh? I understand. Not many folks spend a lot of time in a command line only system.
[21:12] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105
[21:14] <minimec> bruda: Hmm... maybe check for some .conf files in /etc/wpa_supplicant I don't know if network-manager is used for terminal based installations.
[21:16] <bruda> minimec: thanks. Actually NetworkManager is not installed. But I did notice wpa_supplicant was installed.
[21:17] <bruda> I actually decided I wanted to use wicd-curses. But I need to disable the connection that keeps connecting by default on boot.
[21:18] <dank101> Is there any way I can run SCO Unix apps on Ubuntu without VMs?
[21:18] <dank101> I know there's a method with iBCS2/ABI but that's only on 2.4/2.6
[21:19] <minimec> bruda: you can probably just disable networking with 'sudo systemctl stop networking' to achieve taht.
[21:19] <nacc> bruda: it's almost certain via /etc/network/interfaces
[21:19] <Eduardo> hello
[21:19] <Eduardo> someone there?
[21:19] <dank101> Eduardo, Yep
[21:20] <Eduardo> Whats up?
[21:20] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105.  Here's the output of uname -a if it helps.  Linux kvm 4.4.0-77-generic #98-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 08:34:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:20] <Eduardo> What r u doing?
[21:20] <ChaiTRex> dank101: Not looking good: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48359/ubuntu-linux-and-sco-unix-openserver
[21:20] <nacc> ChaiTRex: done, note that as is suspected the ppc64 and ppc images no longer exist
[21:20] <bruda> nacc: I did find it in /etc/network/interfaces as a primary interface with 'auto' set. Can I just comment out those lines?
[21:20] <dank101> ChaiTRex, Any way to run a second kernel in something like a chroot besides VMs?
[21:20] <nacc> bruda: what's your goal?
[21:20] <bruda> minimec: will that break wicd?
[21:20] <nacc> dank101: by definitely, you cannot run a second kernel in a chroot
[21:21] <nacc> dank101: *definition
[21:21] <nacc> dank101: you need a VM to use another kernel
[21:21] <bruda> nacc: I just want to disable the default wireless connection setup during installation and manually manage wireless with wicd
[21:21] <dank101> nacc, I know, I'm asking for something similar
[21:21] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Oh, those last two still have 12.04.
[21:21] <dank101> Darn :/ nacc
[21:21] <minimec> bruda: Probably not, but don't hang me on this... ;)
[21:21] <bruda> minimec: It'll be off with your head! Just kidding
[21:21] <nacc> ChaiTRex: fixed
[21:22] <nacc> bruda: you can try and see if it changes it
[21:22] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Thanks a lot :)
[21:22] <bruda> guess I'll reboot and see.
[21:22] <minimec> bruda: If you want that choice permanently, you would also have to 'sudo systemctl disable networking', otherwise networking is again started with the next boot...
[21:23] <dank101> So any way to integrate a VM's apps into my main OS?
[21:23] <izzyb> No systemd wizards in the house?
[21:23] <nacc> minimec: well, if there's nothing in /e/n/i, having the networking service run wont' do anything
[21:24] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: do you know who knows?
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: what do you mean by a VM's apps?
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: your host doesn't know what is running in your VM
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: that's the whole point of virtualziation
[21:24] <dank101> :/
[21:24] <minimec> nacc: True, but in case his wicd configuration fails, he has a working 'backup'...
[21:25] <dank101> I just really want to run SCO/Sun apps on my PC
[21:25] <sjohnson> nacc: ended up just adding weechat's official sources to a list via their instructions so i don't have to compile anything.
[21:26] <sjohnson> not really sure how to use "bleeding-edge" software with Ubuntu.  i'm a bit of a noob i guess.
[21:26] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: You can always change your repo list to 'old.releases' in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the latest updates, before you do the upgrade to 14.04.
[21:27] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: doesn't help if I'm running a mirror and would like to know when 12.04 will disappear
[21:27] <ChaiTRex> dank101: Sorry for the delay. I don't know of any, but I'm not really that knowledgeable about things like that. The things I've seen share a kernel among containers or something like that, but don't use more than one (except VMs of course).
[21:27] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: True. Maybe have a look here... http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/03/15/ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin-reaches-end-of-life-on-april-28-2017/
[21:28] <gsvjusttesting> yes I know that EOL was the 28th, but the failed to mention what happens to the packages and when
[21:28] <nacc> sjohnson: you don't
[21:29] <nacc> sjohnson: or you always stay on the latest release
[21:29] <nacc> sjohnson: snaps resolve some of this, but i don't know if weechat has a snap
[21:29] <nacc> dank101: run them in your VM? why do you care where they run?
[21:30] <Bruda> that worked. Just commented out the primary interface settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:31] <Bruda> The reason I'm doing this is because I have this old POS Aspire One that I'm turing into a command line machine that I can mess around in. Of course it uses wifi plus gets hot enough to warm up a sandwich even without a desktop environment.
[21:32] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: Actually... Precise is already in old.releases. So you could do the change right now on your mirror and close it genlty whenever you want...
[21:33] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/
[21:33] <Bruda> PS I just LOVE the Ubuntu mini iso with the network installer.
[21:33] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: I already made a copy of /ubuntu, I just just just just just want to know the day that they will remove it from upstream /ubuntu
[21:35] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: So contact the guy that did this post out of the link I posted before... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-March/003777.html
[21:35] <dank101> nacc, generally for the atheistic, the apps I want to run don't run on an OS with virtualbox host window integration (SCO Unix)
[21:35] <sjohnson> nacc: yeah i like to keep on top of the latest weechats.  don't really care about much else though.
[21:36] <nacc> sjohnson: snaps are the way that would work on ubuntu, but like i said, dunno if they are engaged
[21:36] <nacc> dank101: i mean, do you really need "host window integration"?
[21:36] <sjohnson> yeah, not sure.  their ubuntu instructions work great though my guess is that they probably didn't bother.
[21:36] <sjohnson> WeeChat 1.7.1 [compiled on Apr 22 2017 14:35:51]
[21:36] <sjohnson> :o)
[21:37] <dank101> nacc, No but I prefer it :P
[21:39] <alk_> i'm thinking of deleting windows and installing ubuntu. however, i would like to keep D: partition intact. During the installation i'm thinking of deleting C:, where Windows is located, and then creating new partition. It would be smaller than C:, so there would be some GB left free. My question is, will it format D: if i just add those extra GBs to it?
[21:40] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105.  Here's the output of uname -a if it helps.  Linux kvm 4.4.0-77-generic #98-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 08:34:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux.  This is xenial which I believe is 16.04.  should I attempt an upgrade
[21:40] <izzyb> to 17.04 or 16.10 as a solution to this?
[21:41] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you mean combining part of C: with D: to get a bigger D:?
[21:42] <izzyb> actual symptoms are that the host can talk to virtual machines, but can't talk to physical machines on the network.
[21:43] <Lavinho> how to unlock samsung e1200 free~
[21:43] <Lavinho> ?
[21:43] <alk_> no, i well delete C:, so i could install / on it. So, only C: would get formated. My original C: has 500GB, and / would be ~50GBs, so i would have 450GBs free. I want to know would adding those 450GB to D: format the D:, eventually leaving me losing my files i want not deleted.
[21:43] <alk_> delete C:, and than make new 50GB partition for /
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: The "host" can only talk to the VM's and cannot talk to any other machines on the "real" network?
[21:48] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, exactly.  I've confirmed the switch is good because other machines can talk to each ther when configured with static ip addresses.
[21:49] <izzyb> I'm connected to irc from the host, using a virtual machine as the firewall
[21:49] <ChaiTRex> alk_: The best option is to back up the files before you proceed, write down the sizes of C: and D: so that you can tell them apart in the partition editing tool, then delete the partition that's the same size as C:, create '/' and the swap partition both on the front or back part of where C: was (whichever is farthest away from D:) and to leave D: and the new empty space alone until Ubuntu is installed.
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: It could be "inferred" that the network configuration on the "host" is ONLY configured for the NAT network that the "host" is providing to the VM's...just going by what you stated...in a virtualised setting, the "host" would have two networks - the "real" network and the "virtual" network...true?
[21:50] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Once Ubuntu is installed, make sure D: is good, then you can resize it using Gnome Disks or something.
[21:50] <ChaiTRex> alk_: You should definitely have a backup of it, just in case, though.
[21:52] <alk_> ChaiTRex: I've read somewhere that ppl did it without losing their D: data. I would back-up but for various reason am not able to atm. Ty anyway, was helpful.
[21:52] <ChaiTRex> alk_: You can still try without backing up.
[21:53] <ChaiTRex> alk_: It should resize it just fine, but there's also the small chance it will screw up.
[21:53] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, physical machine has 3 nics - eth0, 1, 2 respectively.  eth2 isn't configured for anything so can be ignored for now.  each interface is bridged br0 is internet, br1 is lan
[21:53] <deus402> i'm trying to delete my old raid to recreate a new one in ubuntu, can't seem to get some of the superblocks to zero... https://pastebin.com/AMTicJnW
[21:53] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Just don't resize D: until Ubuntu is up and running. Don't do anything to it while installing.
[21:53] <zer0day> when battery low then suddenly suspend , when i push the power button it shows the login and then i cant enter eventhough my password is correct , in my ubuntu 16.04lts
[21:54] <alk_> ChaiTREx: yea, it can go either way :D just don't see the reason why it should.
[21:54] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Does it say you entered the wrong password in red?
[21:54] <zer0day> no.. i cant even enter in guest mode
[21:55] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: That's not a bad password then; it's called a login loop.
[21:55] <zer0day> then suddenly lots of codes system from the kernel appearing
[21:55] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Here are a list of a lot of fixes for problems that cause login loops: https://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[21:55] <zer0day> it automatically open its unix terminal and showing me different kinds of kernel system problems
[21:56] <magic_1> hi all, which is the best way to upgrade ubuntu server 10.04 to new lts without upgrade python to v3
[21:57] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, I can give you the output of brctl if it helps.  8 lines is that safe to paste or should i paste bin it
[21:57] <ikonia> magic_1: you're not going to do that
[21:57] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Pastebin
[21:57] <kostkon> magic_1, you can have both versions
[21:57] <alk_> ChaiTRex: one more question: so, /home will be on the same patition as / ?
[21:57] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: You don't need to worry about that. `python` is still Python 2, `python3` is Python 3.
[21:58] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  anything else you would like to see?
[21:58] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Yep, unless you have a good reason not to.
[21:58] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | magic_1, and you'll probably need this
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: FTM, nah...just that
[21:58] <zer0day> ChaiTRex: -rw-------  1 zer0day zer0day    143 May  2 02:51 .Xauthority
[21:58] <zer0day> its already named at me and its not rooted
[21:58] <ChaiTRex> alk_: 50 GB is enough for a system and text files and browsing the Internet. Not for lots of movies or pictures.
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: See if the next problem listed is relevant.
[21:59] <izzyb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495141/
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: The next problem has them editing `.profile` and screwing a small thing up. Did you edit `.profile`?
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: If not, try the next answer after that.
 so, when i install ubuntu, i would just need to 'merge' D: to ubuntu partition? leaving me with data intact and 1 partition?
[22:00] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Unfortunately, there are a lot of problems that can cause logins to fail, so it might take a while to find the specific problem.
[22:00] <zer0day> okay.. i hope this works
[22:01] <ChaiTRex> alk_: No, you can't merge D: with a Linux partition. If you want to convert everything to Linux, that's a bit more complicated.
[22:01] <zer0day> my /tmp is in root so i need to change its permission
[22:01] <Whistler1998> This made my day
[22:01] <Whistler1998> http://prntscr.com/f315vc
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "STP Enabled" => "no" except for the virtual? Hmmmmm......? https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/bridge
[22:01] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: `root` should own `/tmp`, but the permissions should be drwxrwxrwt
[22:01] <alk_> but D: partition would still be usable? i could put files in it, etc?
[22:01] <ikonia> Whistler1998: don't need that in this channel
[22:02] <Whistler1998> It's beautiful
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Yes, but it would be nicer if you converted everything to Linux.
[22:02] <Whistler1998> rip
[22:02] <ikonia> Whistler1998: not in this channel please
[22:02] <Whistler1998> bye
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: How big is D:?
[22:02] <magic_1> ChaiTRex - going through the site now
[22:02] <zer0day> ChaiTRex:  its the same with the permission now
[22:02] <alk_> 500GB :D ok, i'll do it. most important thing is to not lose my data
[22:02] <magic_1> ChaiTRex - the issue that I have is, that the server I have been given from the service provide only has 10.04
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Hold on.
[22:03] <alk_> i'll find a tutorial on how 'merge' D to ubuntu
[22:03] <ChaiTRex> alk_: It's tough to upgrade those.
[22:03] <alk_> upgrade?
[22:03] <zer0day> can both repositories in ubuntu and kali can be mashed up?
[22:03] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Sorry, wrong person.
[22:04] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: It's tough to upgrade those, since you probably can't have it boot from an ISO and give you a terminal.
[22:04] <craysiii> I just booted up recovery mode for 17.04 to fix a screen issue, but after i enabled networking it seems that dns isnt working but i can ping google, leading to me not being able to use apt. any suggestions?
[22:05] <ChaiTRex> alk_: To do this is more complex. Delete C:, put swap partition farthest away from D:, put the rest of the space in `/`. Get Ubuntu up and running. Copy over everything from D:. Make sure the data is all nice by checking a few files. Run Gnome Disks to delete D: and add the empty space to `/`.
[22:05] <kostkon> craysiii, ping google.com or google dns 8.8.8.8?
[22:05] <craysiii> i can ping 8.8.8.8, not any domain name
[22:05] <kostkon> craysiii, ok
[22:06] <magic_1> ChaiTRex thats exactly it, I dont have access to the server physically
[22:06] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: which makes it an issue
[22:07] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: Can you ask them to put you on 16.04 (it's an LTS, so no need for upgrades until 2021, where 17.04 needs an upgrade in nine months)?
[22:07] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: They may be willing to help you out.
[22:08] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah, not sure that's related but will have a look at that later.  It appears the nic thinks it's link is down, so maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction.  Just noticed this in ip ro output  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495271/
[22:08] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: If not, 10.04 can be annoyingly upgraded to 16.04 or later.
[22:08] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: But a clean install is MUCH nicer.
[22:09] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, the nic is the motherboard nic.  I'll add the hardware details to the pastebin
[22:09] <ChaiTRex> alk_: The adding D: to `/` step might need a live CD (like the Ubuntu install DVD).
[22:09] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: spoken to them, unfortunately they are unable too.
[22:09] <craysiii> kostkon my if file only has lo configured, i can't use ifconfig since its "not available", should i try to edit if?
[22:10] <makaan> Hey guys, i'm having some problems with Pulseaudio and my intel audio card, sometimes the audio skips for a second, i'm using the arch wiki to try to find a solution but it only changes the lenght of the skips
[22:11] <kostkon> craysiii, i believe ifconfig was deprecated long ago
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: In that case, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all whatever.archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Things that make you go HMMM...."
[22:11] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495319/
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: That will get everything updated to the farthest 10.04 gets, which gets you ready to jump to 12.04.
[22:11] <alk_> ChaiTRex: i got prompted with question 'if i want to umount partitions on /dev/sda. it that if i leave partitions mounted, i won't be able to delete or create new partitions? will unmounting delet D:?
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Prompted when?
[22:12] <alk_> during the installation
[22:12] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, I see we have a udev rename going on, let me see if I can clean that out
[22:12] <craysiii> ok i will start using ip lol, old habits die hard
[22:12] <alk_> just befor 'Chose something else' part
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Link down"...er...have you checked the cable(s)??
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Oh, choose something else.
[22:13] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Delete the C: partition (*double check* which one it is by looking at the size of each partition).
[22:13] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  yeah, just did but I'll try swapping ports and cable just to cover all bases
[22:13] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: going to try that now
[22:14] <alk_> Ok, but, got qustion asking me if i want to mount or unmount /dev/sda. if i leave it mounted, i wount be able to make or delete new partition. will unmounting delete context of D:?
[22:14] <alk_> i can't proceed before i answer it
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Unmount it. It just stops the system from using it. It won't delete it.
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you have only one hard drive?
[22:16] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, k, link is still down even plugging into a different device (wifi router)
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Or is this spread on two separate physical hard drives?
[22:17] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: And you've "restarted" the networking on eth0...?
[22:17] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, doubt it's a bad cable, but could swap that to test as well.  The redhat bug I posted seems to speak of a udev/ systemd race condition
[22:17] <izzyb> yeah, I've rebooted this host several times.  hmm, come to think of it I haven't tried a physical power off.  could be hung nic firmware.
[22:18] <izzyb> I'll give that a shot actually, bbiab
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: A nice "cold" boot is always good.
[22:18] <izzyb> yeah was just thinking that :)
[22:21] <skapa> hi , got a remote server that worn reboot... tried everything and noone is on-site at the moment to perform a reboot... is there any way to force the reboot? other than reboot -f (tried, did nothing)?
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> skapa: You've tried "sudo reboot" - yes?
[22:22] <skapa> yes
[22:22] <skapa> logged in as root
[22:22] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  sadly that wasn't the answer :(
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> skapa: How about " sudo reboot -f" ?
[22:23] <skapa> YankDownUnder:
[22:23] <tomreyn> skapa: do you have a networked keyboard + video + mouse or serial console attached to it?
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Things that make you go HMMMMM...."
[22:23] <skapa> tomreyn: i wish...
[22:23] <skapa> somehow my ssh connection is still alive
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> skapa: So what that a yes or a no to "sudo reboot -f" ?
[22:24] <tomreyn> skapa: then i would recommend against hard resetting it, you don't know whether it'll ask you questions during boot, such as due to fsck (which will likely kick in if you boot without cleanly unmounting).
[22:24] <skapa> YankDownUnder:  yes already tried
[22:24] <tomreyn> if you still want to, you could try the sysrq approach
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Have you looked at the running processes to see what might be hanging?
[22:25] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah, wonder if I have a hardware issue or if it's a driver issue.  seems like an awfully big coincidence to have the mb nic die at the same time as  system updates are installed.
[22:25] <skapa> YankDownUnder: i believe it is a "rm" command, tried to kill it with -9 but didnt work
[22:25] <izzyb> in the short term I could rename the eth2 nic to be eth1 and probably get this box back up
[22:25] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Yersh...strange it would seem - HOWEVER, that being said, it's not as though it's uncommon...as a "driver" would sometimes push a bit of hardware "over the edge" - as it were...
[22:25] <skapa> its trying to remove something on a hard drive that is already unmounted (usb disk)
[22:26] <YankDownUnder> skapa "sudo killall -9 nameofprocess" ?
[22:26] <tomreyn> !sysrq | skapa
[22:27] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, improbably isn't the same as impossible.  k, if I can get around this by renaming the nic for now, that'll solve the immediate issue.
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> tomreyn: Um...he's not onsite...and no one is ON site to hard-reset the machine... :)
[22:27] <tomreyn> skapa: what ubottu just told you only works on the pysical terminal / a serial console. but you you can also issue sysrq's by piping them into sysrq-trigger
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Have you tried to unmount whatever the device is forcefully? (also, you can use "lsof" to see what's going on...hmm?)
[22:28] <skapa> YankDownUnder:  yes, its already unmounted
[22:29] <craysiii> so i ran apt-get upgrade in recovery mode, and im hanging on "Installing new version of config file /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine.real ..."
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> skapa: As tomreyn just said: " but you you can also issue sysrq's by piping them into sysrq-trigger"
[22:30] <skapa> YankDownUnder: how would i do that?
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> skapa: https://major.io/2009/01/29/linux-emergency-reboot-or-shutdown-with-magic-commands/comment-page-1/
[22:33] <Unline> .
[22:34] <alk_> ChaiTRex: sry, one more thing. i got 'Force UEFI installation?' step. Will continuing in UEFI effect D:?
[22:34] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you have two hard drives or just one?
[22:34] <skapa> YankDownUnder: got disconnected, hopefuly that was a reboot >.< pray now it doesnt hang...
[22:35] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Cross your fingers, mate. You *may* have saved the day, eh? :)
[22:35] <skapa> YankDownUnder: hope so otherwise i will have alot of angry people in the morning
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[22:36] <YankDownUnder> skapa: I'm already in the future. I don't foresee angry people attacking you with big sticks and staplers.
[22:36] <ChaiTRex> alk_: OK. Do you know if your system is BIOS or UEFI?
[22:37] <alk_> ChaiTRex: Win is installed using 'BIOS compatibillity mode'.
[22:37] <ChaiTRex> alk_: In that case, choose BIOS instead of UEFI. It won't affect D:.
[22:38] <skapa> YankDownUnder: solid work mate, it rebooted!
[22:39] <skapa> Thanks to all that helped, really!
[22:39] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Good on ya, mate. You're buying the donuts.
[22:39] <skapa> YankDownUnder: just give us the link haha
[22:40] <craysiii> on fresh 17.04, after install, i can log in to my account but as soon as i hit enter the screen goes black and mouse becomes unresponsive, after a minute or so screen goes gray (gnome background) but desktop remains unresponsive until forced reboot
[22:40] <craysiii> ubuntu gnome 17.04
[22:40] <YankDownUnder> skapa: As is with karma - make absolutely sure you do something nice for someone today - preferably a stranger.
[22:40] <skapa> \o7
[22:41] <kostkon> !cookie
[22:54] <claudio-tux> hi
[22:54] <rizonz> hi guys
[22:54] <rizonz> is there a perl 5.24 version for xenial to find ?
[22:55] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, Thanks.  renaming nics and swapping things around solved my problem.
[22:56] <kostkon> !info perl xenial
[22:56] <claudio-tux> 280/5000
[22:56] <claudio-tux> good evening
[22:56] <claudio-tux> People, a good day delay in the game Amnesia in Ubuntu Software Center
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I'm trying to find the option to reinstall antesores, but it does not work
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I'm using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04
[22:56] <claudio-tux> Already installing the ubuntu program center
[22:56] <ONY> hello everyone
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I do not even play the game.
[22:56] <claudio-tux> Did I lose my money?
[22:57] <rizonz> kostkon: I know that version but I need something newer
[22:58] <Sparrow__> what are you trying to install
[22:58] <rizonz> Sparrow__: I need newer perl-modules without updating them with cpan
[22:58] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Did you pat yerself on the back yet?
[22:59] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Have you tried "recovery" ; see what happens ?
[22:59] <craysiii> Bashing-om yes i run into a whole host of other issues
[22:59] <craysiii> going to just try 16.04
[23:00] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah. thanks for letting me bounce the symptoms off you
[23:00] <Bashing-om> craysiii: K' I just got back to the keyboard - have not read the back log :)
[23:00] <craysiii> ah, i see
[23:01] <kostkon> rizonz, it's not in updates or backports. so only option left is to find a ppa that offers the version of perl you're looking for. Be aware that probably some components of Ubuntu are written in perl so you may break your system if you upgrade it
[23:01] <rizonz> kostkon: yeah true the issue is I need newer modules for assp
[23:01] <craysiii> well, i went into recovery mode, couldnt get apt to run because of dns, edited /etc/resolv.conf and got tht working, but then when i did an apt upgrade i got hung on two different steps, one which eventually timed out but the other, which i stated above, persisted
[23:02] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Many times in sych a situation we find it is a graphic's driver issue .
[23:02] <rizonz> I can update with cpan for the use itself but I want to install using packages
[23:02] <craysiii> thats what im thinking, which is why i booted into user mode, but i am afraid to try to install the nvidia driver if i can't even successfully upgrade
[23:03] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Wise on your part . Get the system fully updated . - what ever that might take - . then we see .
[23:04] <rizonz> kostkon: I assume most things are backwards compatible
[23:06] <craysiii> yes Bashing-om i get stuck with snapd. i booted into recovery again, tried apt update, told me to run dpkg --configure -a, did so but its hanging on "setting up snapd"
[23:07] <Bashing-om> craysiii: K; pastebin - sudo apt update - . so I see in context . then see where we go .
[23:08] <channey>  I am getting frustrated with this issue. I am using xset +dpms; xset s off dpms 120 120 120 in .xinitrc and after booting, it turns off screen for few times then it doesnt work anymore until a next reboot. Can anyone please please help me figure this out?
[23:10] <craysiii> do you mean upgrade?
[23:11] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: Just merely the output of the "sudo apt-get update" => so that Bashing-om can see what's going on...
[23:12] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: :) always glad to have you at my back .
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> Trying to be "mindful" and aware...(trying...emphasis on trying)... ;)
[23:13] <channey> anyone?
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> channey: Right...here's the initial question - why are you doing that in the first place? What is the underlying issue that you're trying to resolve?
[23:14] <kostkon> rizonz, I guess they are, but you have yet to find a ppa or some other source that offers 5.24 for xenial
[23:14] <craysiii> https://pastebin.com/S1dVZwx9
[23:15] <rizonz> kostkon: found one :)
[23:15] <craysiii> i did not mean to question you, just reaffirm what you want so i don't give you the wrong thing :)
[23:15] <kostkon> rizonz, that was fast :)
[23:15] <rizonz> kostkon: I'm Buzz Lightyear baby, pop on!
[23:16] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Data base sync is consistent . and yeah ya guessed it . next show us ' sudo apt upgrade ' .
[23:17] <craysiii> ok well i typed that out by hand.. any hint on how i can get it to pastebin from recovery mode?
[23:18] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | craysiii
[23:18] <tomreyn> ..thats if you got networking
[23:20] <kankusht> good evening
[23:20] <tomreyn> (or capture output to a file and upload it later or from a different computer)
[23:20] <Bashing-om> craysiii: ouch ! run as ' sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . The result is a URL back in terminal. Pass that link back here .
[23:20] <kankusht> I have a question
[23:20] <tomreyn> hi kankusht
[23:20] <tomreyn> !ask | kankusht
[23:21] <craysiii> thank you bashing-om and tomreyn, i couldn't install pastebinit because of the aformentioned issue, i will try the other one
[23:21] <kankusht> is it possible to update libreoffice by adding the PPA and then executing the apt-get update and upgrade?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> craysiii: From recovery you might have to "enable networking " .. hummm .
[23:22] <craysiii> i did make sure to enable networking and edit resolv.conf
[23:22] <craysiii> thank you though for consideration
[23:22] <tomreyn> kankusht: if there's a PPA you trust that provides newer versions which are compatible to your ubuntu releases, yes
[23:23] <kankusht> understood, thank you very much
[23:23] <kostkon> kankusht, there is also a snap version. It should be in Ubuntu Software.
[23:23] <tomreyn> kankusht: why do you need a newer version, if i may ask?
[23:23] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: Have you tried: sudo apt-get -f install [23:23] <kankusht> well, the new version looks awesome in compare to the one I have :)
[23:24] <kostkon> kankusht, which ubuntu release are you on
[23:24] <kankusht> I'm still using version 4.2
[23:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu 4.2? i don't think this ever existed
[23:25] <kankusht> well, I have it
[23:25] <tomreyn> are you mixing up ubuntu release and libreoffice release?
[23:26] <tomreyn> type this in a temrinal: lsb_release -d
[23:26] <YankDownUnder> Ubuntu 4.10 was "Warty Warthog"....er....
[23:26] <kankusht> no, that is the version that comes by default with mu OS
[23:26] <kankusht> awesome a new command :D
[23:26] <kankusht> ubuntu 14.04
[23:27] <tomreyn> kankusht: So your ubuntu release version is 14.04. is there no other number behind the 14.04 ?
[23:27] <tomreyn> do you not install updates?
[23:27] <kankusht> yes, 14.04.5
[23:27] <tomreyn> i see
[23:28] <kankusht> yes, I usually install updates
[23:28] <kankusht> but no from the terminal
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> I'm envious of the .5 bit...
[23:28] <tomreyn> so, how you upgrade your ubuntu release and thus get a newer libreoffice version, too?
[23:28] <kankusht> I use the software updater
[23:28] <tomreyn> *how about
[23:28] <kubunted> how do i read files on windows partition? in dolphin it shows only NTUSER.DAT* files and folders but not contents of the latter...wtf?
[23:30] <kankusht> I thought to do that, but it's the right time yet
[23:30] <kankusht> for me
[23:30] <tomreyn> kubunted: maybe you're using file / full disk encryption on windows?
[23:31] <kankusht> this is the complete version: 4.2.8.2
[23:31] <craysiii> http://termbin.com/xr0a
[23:31] <craysiii> hanging here
[23:32] <kubunted> also related , some files on a FAT32 usb flashdrive don't write to another exfat drive ( exfat utils installed) , e.g. *.html and related folders, while others transfer fine such as *.pdf , videos pix etc.... how to solve?
[23:33] <kubunted> tomreyn: no encryption on the windows partition
[23:33] <kubunted> weird
[23:34] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Not to ne hard to get along with / up until " Setting up snapd (2.24.1+17.04) ..." looked doable .. need to see all that output to know what is not going on .
[23:34] <Bashing-om> ne/be*
[23:35] <tomreyn> kankusht: you could try this PPA, but as the description states, these can be unstable and stuff can break: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty
[23:35] <tomreyn> kankusht: so the ubuntu upgrade is most likely a better solution
[23:36] <craysiii> unfortunately there isnt any output after that, it just hangs indefinitely, and that output was the result of booting straight into recovery mode, adding dns via resolv.conf, then running the command you gave me
[23:36] <kankusht> tomreyn: I'll give it a try thank you very much again
[23:36] <tomreyn> kubunted: sorry, i don't know then. i luckily don't need to deal with windows much.
[23:36] <craysiii> even trying to run apt-get upgrade now results in "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock ..."
[23:36] <tomreyn> kankusht: welcome
[23:37] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: That means that there is a background update check in progress...."update-xapi" -> which you could "kill" -> and then try to force an update
[23:37] <kubunted> is there a linux distro that works out of the box? I've been fedored already with a disfunctional distro now kubunted
[23:38] <Sparrow__> craysiii, do you have a second package manager open?
[23:38] <MarioMey> Hi, there. Does anybody have 70-nautilus-scripts, from Gnome-Look? The file is not any more in Dropbox account...
[23:38] <YankDownUnder> "Dysfunctional" meaning it won't read a Windows partition? Hmm...
[23:38] <Sparrow__> kubunted, download several and run them virtual or live until you find one you like.  see distrowatch
[23:39] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Yukkie poo . Ho kay / Let's try 'ctl+c' to end the process .. and as we have "packages have been kept back" try: ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' . ( ping -c3 ubuntu.com returms positive ? )
[23:39] <kubunted> Sparrow__:  the more obscure are even worse...tired of trying
[23:41] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: Have you considered that the "mount" issues are part of the ntfs-3g set of file system drivers and looked into exactly how/why the "Windows mount" is not working? (KDE+Dolphin aside)
[23:41] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: nope, that's why i ask
[23:42] <craysiii> Bashing-om ping is good. i used control-c and killed the pid of the snapd process, still though when i try to apt-get full-upgrade i get http://termbin.com/ogaw
[23:43] <craysiii> i tried to kill the existing processes for apt-get that remain but they will not die
[23:43] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: There's a great place to start looking...and by default, if a "Windows" partition is in "fast shutdown" mode, it might not even BE recognised or read or read entirely...
[23:43] <Sparrow__> craysiii, do you have a second package manager open?
[23:44] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: fast shutdown as "restart"? it's indeed in that mode prior to booting kubuntu as recommended ...but the folders and some files are showing, where are the rest?
[23:45] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: It's recommended that MS Windows (insert version here) is in "fast shut down" mode prior to using KUbuntu? Sorry...I find that a bit absurd...becuase it effectively causes ntfs-3g to "spit the dummy" and think that the drive is in "hibernation"....
[23:46] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Well. we find the process and try and gracefully terminate it ' ps -e | grep apt ' .
[23:46] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: I believe the process is going to be something like "xapian-update-xapi" or similar...
[23:47] <al2o3-cr> use pgrep
[23:47] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: ok, but would kubuntu boot at all after other than the "restart" mode? i've been lead to believe it can't even boot otherwise
[23:47] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: As I play catchup here . We find it and terminate - one way or another ... huh ?
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: That's the first time I've heard that...in like, er, what, 20+ years...hmm...
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: "Surveil. Locate. Target. Eliminate."
[23:48] <craysiii> well i rebooted again, ran apt-get full-upgrade, it installed those packages, and of course, gets stuck on "Setting up snapd"
[23:49] <kubunted> ok, i'll try the other modes, but why does it see some files and folders but not the rest? weird
[23:49] <kubunted> and what about not writing *.html files to an exfat flashdrive while other files write fine
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: In "Windows" (assuming 10?) you need to disable the "fast shutdown/fast startup" - it's a hybrid "hibernation" that causes ntfs-3g to lock the partition.
[23:50] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: where is the disabling , in bios or windows settings?
[23:50] <Sparrow__> disable fastboot
[23:51] <ChaiTRex> kubunted: That's in Windows' settings.
[23:51] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: It's in Windows. Power management. It can also be turned off via the "cmd prompt" or "power shell" with: powercfg -h:off
[23:51] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: and what about not writing *.html files to an exfat flashdrive while other files write fine
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: That is something I'm not aware of - but that might be something to ask in #kubuntu - as it could possibly be something with "Dolphin"...I'm assuming you've already "Googled" for this, hmm?
[23:54] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: right now kubuntu is _installed_ on a flash drive because it could not install side by side with windows ( following the instructions exactly) -  reports the intended partition as unawailable or so (i can't recall exact) and there seem to be no answer on the web
[23:54] <Bashing-om> !info snapd
[23:55] <craysiii> yeah i just removed snapd lol.
[23:55] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: You weren't able to resize or do anything with the partition because it's locked, bro. Windows - in "hibernation" or "fast shutdown" - would stop that from happening.
[23:56] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Might be good . on zesty I do not know . we good now to see about a graphic's driver ?
[23:57] <kubunted> YankDownUnder:  that's the exact instructions - to install after "restart" ( and I've tried the "shutdown") because exactly they say of the type of the windows hibernation issues you describe
[23:57] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Should be all right to do without snapd:  "Priority: optional" per apt show .
[23:57] <kubunted> and the windows partition is shrunk as instructed too
[23:58] <craysiii> installing driver now, will let you know how it goes
[23:58] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: Fine fine fine. Whatever. I'm left to ponder on what exactly you read, how exactly you interpretted it (or over-interpretted it) and how it was carried out. Either which, it's all something to digest, isn't it...
[23:58] <craysiii> dont know why i didnt think to remove it earlier lol
[23:58] <craysiii> (snapd)
[23:59] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: gotta have an iron stomack...i'm ready to puke or blast from the other end
[23:59] <Bashing-om> Well as "optional" we can always put it back at a later time if we want .
[23:59] <craysiii> im wondering if snapd was what was hanging my system, and not the drivers..