[08:01] <Laney> hallo
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:02] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:02] <Laney> good bank hol?
[08:09] <davmor2> Laney: well I feel a lot happier after Friday so I did crazy things like slept
[08:16] <oSoMoN> morning all
[08:23] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:23] <Laney> you good?
[08:30] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:30] <oSoMoN> yep, I had a great w-e
[08:30] <oSoMoN> you?
[08:46] <Laney> pretty nice
[08:46] <Laney> didn't actually do that much, but that was good
[08:47] <oSoMoN> not doing much can be very rewarding (and relaxing)
[08:51] <Laney> read my book, went out for cofeee, went to the allotment and did some weeding / watering, climbing, made pizza
[08:51]  * Laney hygge
[09:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:11] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[09:12] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, how are you?
[09:12] <oSoMoN> pretty good, how are you yourself?
[09:14] <seb128> tired but good :-)
[09:16] <oSoMoN> need a day off to recover from the week-end? ;)
[09:23] <prinzpiuz[m]> Anybody using KDE connect in Ubuntu?
[09:50] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:57] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:58] <Laney> good weekend? :-)
[09:59] <duflu> Morning Europe
[09:59] <duflu> And good night (nothing personal)
[10:04] <seb128> Laney, hectic one, end result is good though ;-)
[11:53] <Laney> one day there will be a day that I get all the gstreamer source and binary package names straight
[11:53] <Laney> and on that day I will retire
[12:00] <mdeslaur> easy, there's gst-plugins-good1.0, gst-plugins-crapfest1.0, gst-plugins-ftbfs1.0, gst-plugins-dancer1.0, gst-plugins--prancer1.0 and gst-plugins-blitzen1.0
[12:00] <mdeslaur> I may be missing a couple
[13:26] <kenvandine> seb128, i spent some time unwinding my old patches that added depends for libunity, libido and uoa
[13:26] <kenvandine> seb128, the empathy one is a big change, can you take a look and tell me what you think?
[13:26] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/empathy/no_unity_no_uoa/+merge/323384
[13:27] <kenvandine> seb128, it brings us back to a much simpler package
[13:27] <kenvandine> seb128, oh... and hope you had a nice long weekend :)
[13:50] <Laney> kenvandine: I'll look, think seb128 is out
[13:50] <kenvandine> Laney, cool, thanks
[14:06]  * Laney reboots into AA
[14:06] <Laney> in theory
[14:09] <Laney> and in practice too
[14:09] <Laney> yeehaw
[14:10] <kenvandine> woot
[14:10] <kenvandine> Laney, living on the edge!
[14:11] <cyphermox> for bugmail for packages, do you use ~desktop-bugs or ~desktop-packages?
[14:11] <cyphermox> (I'm looking at GNOME MIRs.
[14:13] <Laney> bugs I think
[14:15] <cyphermox> I think I found my answer, and I got "desktop-packages"
[14:15] <cyphermox> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#desktop-packages
[14:15] <kenvandine> i thought it was bugs too
[14:15] <cyphermox> but thanks :)
[14:15] <cyphermox> probably both, really, for some reason
[14:15] <kenvandine> but it's been a while for me ;)
[14:15] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snowball desktop-bugs
[14:15] <cyphermox> kenvandine: are you back in desktop team?
[14:15] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus desktop-bugs
[14:15] <kenvandine> cyphermox, yup
[14:15] <kenvandine> back home :)
[14:16] <cyphermox> cool :)
[14:16] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice both!
[14:16] <kenvandine> lol
[14:16] <cyphermox> yeah, wtf.
[14:16] <cyphermox> a little redundant redundant.
[14:18] <cyphermox> Laney, could you please subscribe the right team to mutter then?
[14:18] <cyphermox> or tell me if it's ok, and I can do the subscribing for the gnome packages for Shell.
[14:19] <Laney> I have always subscribed desktop-bugs but maybe that's wrong
[14:19] <Laney> but you go for it for shell stuff
[14:19] <cyphermox> ok
[14:20] <cyphermox> I would probably subscribe both, it makes it easier to merge it all in one later
[14:20] <Laney> I don't have admin for the other one
[14:20] <kenvandine> Laney, as far as i remember it was desktop-bugs
[14:20] <Laney> meh if you want
[14:20] <cyphermox> in theory bdmurray uses the desktop-packages list for something
[14:20] <Laney> it'd be trivial to script
[14:20] <Laney> whatever ends up happening
[14:20] <cyphermox> right
[14:20] <cyphermox> for now I'll just do the MIR reviews, and I'll bring it up to your meeting after talking to bdmurray
[14:21] <cyphermox> I'm a little surprised he's not idling here.
[14:25] <Laney> man
[14:26] <Laney> testing gstreamer updates is the best
[14:26] <Laney> I hardly ever crack out the old mp3 collection these days
[14:26]  * Laney has Dookie on
[14:45] <Sweetshark> Laney, mdeslaur: suggested additional gstreamer packages: gstreamer-legal-boobytrap1.0, gstreamer-rce1.0 ...
[14:46] <mdeslaur> Sweetshark: ah yes, rce, my favourite :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> Laney, sorry i'm missing the pre-meeting... still suffering from the lack of camera issue
[15:24] <kenvandine> next week i'll make sure my laptop is accessible or i'll buy a usb camera...  which i've been meaning to do for ages
[15:26] <Laney> kenvandine: np, I almost missed it too
[15:26] <Laney> I had it set up to text me but didn't get one
[15:31] <Laney> oh
[15:31] <Laney> guess I'll run the meeting ;-)
[15:32] <Laney> 2 minutes
[15:33] <Laney> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-05-02
[15:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  2 15:33:43 2017 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:33] <jbicha> o/
[15:33] <Laney> jbicha: you want to be in the list?
[15:34] <jbicha> yes
[15:34] <Laney> ok
[15:34] <Laney> andyrock, dgadomski, kenvandine, jbicha, Laney, oSoMoN, seb128 (out?), tkamppeter, robert_ancell (out)
[15:34] <oSoMoN> ☺/
[15:35] <Laney> hmm
[15:35] <Laney> quiet?
[15:35] <Laney> let's see
[15:35] <Laney> #topic andyrock
[15:36] <Laney> ok
[15:36] <Laney> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> nothing to share today, was involved with non-desktop issues and sprint preparation (on a team sprint next week)
[15:36] <dgadomski> eof
[15:37] <Laney> ok, thanks, have a nice sprint!
[15:37] <Laney> #topic kenvandine
[15:37] <kenvandine> * I started working on dropping patches from packages that added dependencies for libunity, libsignon, libaccounts and libido.  The most significant change was the empathy package, I greatly simplified the packaging now that we no longer need to split out GOA and UOA backends.  Basically unwinding the work I did back before I left the desktop team.
[15:37] <kenvandine> * Spent a little time trying to figure out the lack of window border bug in gnome-shell with our theme, but didn't make any progress.
[15:37] <kenvandine> EOF
[15:37]  * Trevinho officially off, but I'll be with you.... ALTHOUGH LANEY DIDN'T MENTION ME!
[15:37] <Laney> haha
[15:37] <Laney> kenvandine: the mate-themes are quite good to compare to / borrow from
[15:38] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:38] <kenvandine> i'll have another look
[15:38] <Laney> so if they don't have the problem
[15:38] <Laney> you will find the solutin in there :-)
[15:38] <kenvandine> i was mostly curious and got distracted with patches
[15:38] <kenvandine> but i'll play some more
[15:38] <Laney> k
[15:38]  * andyrock is back
[15:38] <Laney> i'll look at empathy in ab it
[15:38] <kenvandine> Laney, let me know what you think about my empathy changes
[15:38] <kenvandine> and i'll upload it to AA
[15:38] <Laney> merci
[15:38] <Trevinho> kenvandine: as for the border thing I might have something too
[15:39] <Laney> #topic andyrock
[15:39] <Laney> hi!
[15:39] <kenvandine> Trevinho, i'd love to hear about it after the meeting
[15:39] <andyrock> hey!
[15:39] <andyrock> so I'm still working on cr
[15:39] <andyrock> the patch to support mir should be ready soon
[15:39] <andyrock> EOD
[15:40] <Laney> andyrock: thanks
[15:40] <Laney> #topic jbicha
[15:40] <jbicha> Nautilus 3.24.1 in artful. Fixed a regression in .desktop launchers with help from md_eslaur
[15:40] <jbicha> Shotwell 3.24.1 in artful-proposed, autopkgtest caught an issue with Debian's ios8 patch. Not sure which is more important: the ios8 issue or the regression caught by the test
[15:40] <jbicha> More work on Zesty GNOME 3.24 SRUs
[15:40] <jbicha> Fixed gdm LP: #1686257, SRUs in progress
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1686257 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Zesty) "gdm3 fails to start when default session-name=ubuntu" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686257
[15:40] <jbicha> Worked with Ken to upload gnome-shell and -online-accounts without some universe deps for easier main inclusion.
[15:40] <jbicha> Switched Shell from Cantarell to Ubuntu font.
[15:40] <jbicha> Helped Gunnar with a proposal for how ubuntu-docs can integrate with gnome-user-docs
[15:40] <jbicha> gtk4 is now in artful universe
[15:40] <jbicha> EOF
[15:41] <Laney> nice
[15:41] <Laney> did you discuss gtk4 with debian-gnome?
[15:42] <Laney> or is it obvious (package names)?
[15:42] <jbicha> not yet, the DPL rejected my graphene pkg (required build-dependency)!
[15:42] <jbicha> so I'll need to update debian/copyright to make ftpmaster happy
[15:43] <Laney> heh
[15:43] <jbicha> it's mostly obvious but there are a couple file conflict questions upstream
[15:43] <Laney> I know about the schemas and gettext stuff
[15:43] <Laney> fortunately they didn't conflict yet afaik so we can share the gtk3 ones
[15:44] <jbicha> right
[15:44] <Laney> nod
[15:44] <Laney> ok, well, happy to review it at Debian like other stuff
[15:45] <jbicha> ok
[15:45] <Laney> did you see that ubuntu-gnome is failing to build?
[15:45] <jbicha> no, but my guess is that's because of the gnome-user-docs conflict stuff
[15:45] <Laney> yep
[15:45] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/317989928/buildlog_ubuntu_artful_amd64_ubuntu-gnome_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:46] <jbicha> thanks, I'll follow up with Gunnar about that
[15:46] <Laney> cool
[15:46] <Laney> moving on
[15:46] <Laney> #topic Laney
[15:47] <Laney> I either didn't do very much work or forgot to write down what I was doing
[15:47] <Laney> • short week (may day)
[15:47] <Laney> • gst 1.11.91 update & patch discussion
[15:47] <Laney> • autopkgtest
[15:47] <Laney> ∘ set up email on some instances, debug & fix problems that were being reported by cron into the black hole
[15:47] <Laney> ∘ help with some systemd/meson debugging
[15:47] <Laney> ∘ set up bot user for github requests
[15:47] <Laney> • finish gnome-software rebase
[15:47] <Laney> • some discussions on -devel about backports
[15:47] <Laney> #topic oSoMoN
[15:47] <Laney> 🚑
[15:47] <oSoMoN> hey
[15:47] <oSoMoN> * built chromium-browser 59.0.3071.29 in chromium-next PPA with GTK3 and without GConf
[15:47] <oSoMoN>   the GTK3 build is affected by https://crbug.com/716135, marked upstream as release blocker
[15:47] <oSoMoN>   tested native desktop notifications, works well under GNOME shell but not unity7, so can't be turned on by default
[15:47] <oSoMoN> * building chromium-browser 60.0.3080.5 in chromium-dev PPA
[15:47] <oSoMoN> * looking into existing setup for handling Cr translations, particularly desktop file ones
[15:47] <oSoMoN> * working my way through Cr bugs in LP
[15:47] <oSoMoN> * getting familiar with the libreoffice build system, playing with the snap made by Bjoern (built a classic snap for starters)
[15:47] <oSoMoN> EOF
[15:48] <Laney> oSoMoN: thanks, let us know if you need any help
[15:49] <Laney> guessing seb128 is out, so
[15:49] <oSoMoN> will certainly do
[15:49] <Laney> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <Laney> tkamppeter: you here or want me to paste?
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB printing): Completed the bug fixing and stabilization work to get to a stable, feature-complete state fulfilling the standards. Released version 1.30, Debian packager packaged it already, will sync soon.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Avahi: Made a simple patch so that services on localhost are advertised, needed for IPP-over-USB printing with ippusbxd. Discussed further Avahi changes needed with Trent Lloyd, Avahi upstream.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.13.5: Mainly bug fixes and sync of the PPD generator with CUPS GIT.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Planning of the tasks for the 6 print dialog students. Discussed on the LibreOffice developer mailing list about the changes on the LibreOffioce print dialog.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting Summit 2017: Prepared slides for my cups-filters presentation. Summit will start today right after our Desktop Team Meeting.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> - GNOME: Switched to this as my standard desktop and did a short review of the printer tool.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> Bugs.
[15:50] <Laney> tkamppeter: thanks, happy summit
[15:50] <tkamppeter> The mail wa sonly for the case if my turn had happened later.
[15:50] <Laney> #topic Trevinho
[15:50] <Trevinho> · libwnck reviews and new upstream maintenance work to modernize stuff
[15:50] <Laney> almost forgot you again Trevinho ;-)
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Started discussing about fraction scaling in gnome-shell with upstream and how I can get involved
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Compiz reviews
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Fixed an unity bug causing menus not working properly in multi-monitor environments
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Unity(7?) stack new landing
[15:50] <Trevinho> · Fixed a couple of snapcraft-preload bugs (and added support to getpw)
[15:50] <Trevinho> EOF
[15:51] <Trevinho> Laney: I was in fact checking if you were now remembering..
[15:51] <Laney> :D
[15:51] <Trevinho> Asia is still part of this world! :-D
[15:51] <Laney> did gnome-shell upstream give you some pointers on the hidpi work?
[15:52] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah i got a pretty explainatory email...
[15:52] <Trevinho> Laney: I might sare if interested
[15:52] <Laney> nice
[15:52] <Laney> do a blog post about it ;-)
[15:53] <Laney> #topic AOB
[15:53]  * Trevinho is not into blogs anymore
[15:53] <Laney> yeah people do these 1/30 tweet threads
[15:53]  * kenvandine doesn't have the attention span to blog these days... 140 characters FTW
[15:53] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:54] <Laney> going once...
[15:54] <Laney> twice
[15:55] <Laney> #endmeeting
[15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  2 15:55:13 2017 UTC.
[15:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-05-02-15.33.moin.txt
[15:55] <Trevinho> (Ehm... my artful thinks to be a pangolin, though... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24499183/)
[15:55] <Laney> heh
[15:55] <Laney> that's weird
[15:55] <kenvandine> Trevinho, so you have a theory about the border bug?
[15:55] <kenvandine> or pointer?
[15:55] <jbicha> Trevinho: yes, that shows up for everyone :|
[15:56] <Trevinho> kenvandine: well we did some work to avoid that border to show up in unity, but that shouldn't affect the shell.. It's all about the theme window border property... I had something but I need to check it further
[15:56] <Trevinho> I can do it tomorrow
[15:56] <kenvandine> Trevinho, cool, please do
[15:57] <jbicha> Laney: when's a good time to discuss updating gnome-terminal to 3.24?
[15:57] <kenvandine> i'll hold off messing with it until i hear from you
[15:59] <Laney> jbicha: it's mainly the PCRE2 stuff, right?
[16:00] <jbicha> I think the easiest thing to do is to just revert the PCRE2 stuff for now like I proposed in LP: #1666264
[16:00] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1666264 in vte2.91 (Ubuntu) "FFe: Update gnome-terminal to 3.24 and vte to 0.48" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1666264
[16:00] <Laney> I remember
[16:00] <jbicha> we might be able to push PCRE2 in main off until after 18.04 LTS
[16:00] <Laney> how do we get out of that hole?
[16:00] <Laney> or is it a hope that everyone else ports their stuff kind of thing?
[16:02] <jbicha> I talked to cypher_mox yesterday and he's not fully opposed to there being 2 PCREs in main, but he'd like to see a transition tracker, bugs filed, etc.
[16:04] <Laney> alright, that seems tractable
[16:04] <Laney> if that's enough to get it allowed in then I like that
[16:05] <jbicha> I think they want the Desktop Team to make a decision about how badly we need PCRE2
[16:11] <Laney> um
[16:11] <Laney> a bit?
[16:14] <jbicha> how opposed are you to me uploading 3.24 now with the pcre2 reverts?
[16:15] <Laney> if in the future we get stuck because of it, then very
[16:16] <Laney> if because of it nobody pushes the above tracker/bugs/... then a bit
[16:16] <Laney> if it never requires any more work then also a bit
[16:16] <jbicha> lol, lots of "a bit" answers here :)
[16:17] <Laney> well yeah I don't think it's the end of the world :P
[16:17] <jbicha> ok, so we're stuck on 3.20 now
[16:17] <Laney> I mean if you want to do it then go ahead and do it
[16:18] <Laney> I'll just be grumpy if we end up being stuck
[16:18] <Laney> but it won't be like I'll be able to do anything about it :0
[16:18] <Laney> :)*
[16:18] <jbicha> we're stuck now and eventually maintaining the revert patches will be too much so we'll be stuck again
[16:19] <jbicha> hopefully, some other stuff will be able to use pcre2 then so it's more obvious that we should have pcre2 in main
[16:19] <Laney> that's why I'm slightly worried that uploading means nobody pushes PCRE2 any more
[16:19] <Laney> but it looks like the rest of the world isn't really moving over yet either
[16:20] <jbicha> I did see that glib still uses pcre3…
[16:23] <Laney> yeh
[16:26] <Laney> there's probably an argument that being stuck on 3.24 is no worse than being stuck on 3.20 btw
[16:31] <jbicha> ok,I opened a glib bug upstream, I'll try to get it tracked on the Ubuntu transition tracker if I can figure out the ben syntax
[16:31] <Laney> seen https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755693 ?
[16:31] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755693 in gregex "future of GRegex" [Normal,New]
[16:45] <Laney> kenvandine: empathy looks mostly good (but unbuilt/untested): I think that debian/shlibs.local might need bumping, and you might want to add Provides for the dropped packages to ease upgrades
[17:05] <kenvandine> Laney, sure, thanks
[17:06] <Laney> jbicha: think you forgot the pcre3 packages on is_affected
[17:07] <jbicha> thanks
[17:07] <Laney> np
[17:07] <Laney> night!
[17:21] <Blu2> Is 4.4.0-75-generic also causing problems to somebody else?
[17:21] <Blu2> I got a login loop and wrong resolution with Nvidia drivers on 16.04.2
[17:23] <Blu2> oh I meant 4.4.0-77-generic
[18:19] <oSoMoN> good evening everyone