[04:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> morning wizardyesterday
[05:04] <wizardyesterday> morning to you
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome shrewdu
[05:06] <vivsoni> Good Morning
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> hey vivsoni
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice discuss channel, everyone forgets to use :p
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/linux-mint-adopts-lightdm-slick-greeter
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> hmm unity dead, lightdm continues?
[05:10] <shrewdu> hi lotuspsychje
[05:10] <shrewdu> thanks for the welcome
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> no sweat :p
[05:12] <wizardyesterday> I think I will visit here perhaps when I'm awake during the day since I do use Ubuntu at work. Relaxing channel indeed.
[05:14] <wizardyesterday> for now, good night. :)
[05:14] <wizardyesterday>  /part
[05:14] <wizardyesterday> darn androud
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[06:11] <EriC^^> morning ducasse lotuspsychje
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse and EriC^^
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> how are you guys
[06:11] <EriC^^> good here thanks you?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> great, working day and big rainy day here
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> hey there lordievader
[06:18] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:21] <EriC^^> wow bitcoin at $1460
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> big libreoffice update this morning
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah heared in radio bitcoin is at max currency
[06:36] <EriC^^> !info grub-macbless
[06:36] <ubot5`> Package grub-macbless does not exist in xenial
[06:36] <EriC^^> !find grub-macbless
[06:36] <ubot5`> File grub-macbless found in grub-common
[06:36] <EriC^^> damn, i thought i got it from a ppa helping someone with an apple
[06:36] <EriC^^> it's standard in grub-common now? :D
[06:37] <EriC^^> ducasse: i figured out why grub-mkrescue wasn't working for me, i needed to install xorriso package
[06:38] <EriC^^> somebody had mentioned it online about if you got a warning, but i didnt check to see if i had it since i got no warning, i just tried making the iso in debian and it gave the warning, then i installed the package and it seemed to do most of the work so i checked if i had it in ubuntu and it wasnt there
[06:38] <EriC^^> so ubuntu is missing the warning and it's just failing silently
[06:45] <ducasse> EriC^^: silly bug :-/
[06:46] <EriC^^> yeah, very annoying though
[06:48] <ducasse> weird that no warning is printed
[06:49] <EriC^^> i'm trying to make a grub file i loaded it in virtualbox, maybe i can make a custom config file that only has windows in it
[06:49] <EriC^^> i got a grub> but the configfile seems missing, hmm
[06:52] <ducasse> crazytux is pm'ing me, complaining that he's banned
[06:52] <EriC^^> ignore him
[06:53] <ducasse> i have now :)
[06:54] <ducasse> "is lxqt lighter or heavier than lxde" and so on...
[06:57] <Ben64> one day he'll decide on something
[06:58] <EriC^^> :D
[06:58] <EriC^^> damn i can't figure out why i dont get a grub menu
[06:59] <EriC^^> the config file is in iso/boot/grub/grub.cfg i tried a very simple menuentry, nothing it's not even there when i do ls / in grub>
[07:01] <EriC^^> the iso is 3 parts, a gap an efi partition and a hfsplus fs, that's odd
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what distro?
[07:02] <EriC^^> ubuntu
[07:02] <EriC^^> i'm making a grub .iso to boot in virtualbox, i want a custom grub menu
[07:03] <EriC^^> i'll try installing the hfsplus utils things
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you editing the iso manually?
[07:04] <EriC^^> sort of, i want to check where the heck is the grub.cfg going :D
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> !info uck
[07:04] <ubot5`> uck (source: uck): Tool to customize official Ubuntu Live CDs. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 145 kB, installed size 384 kB
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> perhaps this can help?
[07:04] <EriC^^> oh no, it's nothing like that, i just want to make a grub iso i can load in virtualbox with a custom menu
[07:05] <EriC^^> it's for using a rawdisk image with virtualbox, to boot the other os on the hdd without restarting, from virtualbox,
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> ah
[07:05] <EriC^^> i want to make the grub menu custom instead of using the one that usually appears so that nobody can press on ubuntu in grub while it's running, and boot it in virtualbox (while it's running as host and go kaboom)
[07:06] <EriC^^> ubuntuception :p
[07:06] <EriC^^> it would get destroyed
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> !grub
[07:06] <ubot5`> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> perhaps usefull locations here
[07:08] <EriC^^> hmm the grub.cfg is in the grub.iso somewhere, i tried hexdump | grep and it found some stuff
[07:10] <EriC^^> ok it's in the grub.iso, i found it, i'll try configfile in grub to see if it'll load
[07:11] <EriC^^> ok it loaded it!
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> yay
[07:11] <EriC^^> why isn't it showing the menu automatically though?
[07:15] <EriC^^> hmm the $prefix isn't so right
[07:15] <EriC^^> somehow it doesn't have the grub.cfg there
[07:17] <EriC^^> it's like iso/bunch of .mod & grub.cfg and iso/boot/grub/some other stuff   prefix is iso/boot/grub, dunno
[07:17]  * EriC^^ wishing tj- were here, he'd probably figure it out
[07:20] <EriC^^> oh god, it worked
[07:20] <EriC^^> i had a hunch, i created in the iso file iso/boot/grub/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:21] <EriC^^> since it had everything in iso/boot/grub in the iso and took everything from there and made it like in the root of the fs
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:02] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:02] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[11:15] <ducasse> hi, both of you :)
[11:16] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[11:22] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[11:30] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[11:30] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[11:30] <lordievader> Doing good here, BluesKaj :)
[11:30] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-developers-works-on-bringing-snap-support-to-raspberry-pi-s-raspbian-515370.shtml
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/gnome-3-24-point-release-update-on-ubuntu
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> new trigger for us guys:
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !esm
[16:20] <ubot5`> Canonical offers paid extended security support for 12.04 through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly.
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell zesty
[16:31] <ubot5`> gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.24.1-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 650 kB, installed size 7304 kB
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> morning nacc :p
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> evening brunch875
[16:34] <brunch875> hallo lotuspsychje
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:35] <brunch875> was gnome going to hit ubuntu 18.04 or 18.10?
[16:35] <brunch875> I can't remember anymore
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: 17.10
[16:36] <brunch875> oh, so I take it ubuntu+1 is on gnome now?
[16:36] <brunch875> nice
[16:36] <ducasse> alpha2 is the switchover
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: yeah not yet
[16:37] <brunch875> I hope gnome gets super+# without plugins at that point
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> lets hope
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[16:38] <brunch875> it also bothers me greatly that plugins get installed through firefox / chrome
[16:38] <brunch875> seems like a decision taken based on a fad
[16:39] <brunch875> and I _strongly_ dislike the whole "browser based" theme nowadays
[16:39] <brunch875> I've recently read microsoft is released a windows 10 S which they claim to be the "cloud windows"
[16:40] <brunch875> hopefully ubuntu and linux in general don't go that route
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: on alpha2 ill start bugging out gnome
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> everything that doesnt work will hit launchpad
[16:43] <brunch875> "bugging out". I see what you did there :p
[16:44] <ducasse> 'cloud windows' - that sounds like a concept only a marketroid could come up with :)
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> a new feature can also be a bug right?
[16:45] <brunch875> surely, I remember reporting features :)
[16:45] <brunch875> they get marked as "wish"
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah replaces brainstorming
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> so when 18.04, hopefully we get a clean gnome
[16:55] <brunch875> gnome has some pretty neat quirks such as notifying you when a terminal command finishes
[16:55] <brunch875> back then I remember calling notify-send in the end for long processes
[16:56] <brunch875> and yet some very irksome issues
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: i wanna have a smooth feeling..is that too much of asking?
[16:56] <brunch875> lotuspsychje, is gnome3 too big for smoothness?
[16:57] <brunch875> it seems to work well on my computer
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: not sure, but on my netbook 4gig it feels bit sluggish for me
[16:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hiya !  Good day in our neighborhood ?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> evening xangua
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah all ok here
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> new trigger for supporters:
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> !esm
[17:03] <ubot5`> Canonical offers paid extended security support for 12.04 through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly.
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> for those 12.04 questions
[17:17] <brunch875> woah, there's people still in 12.04?
[17:17] <nacc> brunch875: of course there are
[17:17] <nacc> brunch875: i'm almost certain there are people still on, e.g., rhel4
[17:18] <brunch875> but _why_
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> servers
[17:18] <nacc> brunch875: because stability
[17:18] <nacc> and mission critical infra
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> dont change too often
[17:18] <nacc> "enterprise"
[17:18] <nacc> lots of reason
[17:18] <nacc> *reasons
[17:18] <brunch875> I remain unconvinced
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> nacc: you think esm will hit 14.04 after eol also?
[17:19] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: probably, as popular as it has been
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so i guess payed after eol will be the new standard
[17:22] <nacc> brunch875: no one is trying to convince you
[17:22] <nacc> brunch875: but it's a fact
[17:22] <nacc> lotuspsychje: probably
[17:23] <ducasse> would not surprise me, and it's better than no support at all after eol. enterprise customers are the ones who are most likely to need this - i don't mind them having to pay up.
[17:23] <nacc> lotuspsychje: enterprise users will pay millions to not have to upate
[17:23] <nacc> *update
[17:23] <nacc> lotuspsychje: that's true across all distributions
[17:23] <nacc> basically how enterprise linux makes money :)
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> i see
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> perhaps with the $$$ they earn, they can release a new ubuntu phone lol
[17:24] <nacc> heh
[17:24] <nacc> unlikely
[17:24] <nacc> phone was ... probably never going to make money
[17:24] <nacc> it's just a losing battle
[17:25] <nacc> it took google a while to unseat any bit of iphone's ridiculous market hare in the us
[17:25] <nacc> so you have to assume that you'd need to do something similar timeline wise
[17:25] <nacc> which is just too costly to invest in without revenue
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah prob never happen
[17:28] <nacc> i just don't know how you make a business model that is different enough from android that makes money
[17:28] <nacc> :)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> nacc: alot of linux based mobiles out there, but alot have failed so it seems
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> nacc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_mobile_devices
[17:31] <brunch875> I bet failure is tied to depending on android
[17:31] <brunch875> wonder if the ubuntu edge would have had more success
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> there's so many android/iphone based apps out there
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> ppl are so used ot it, they cant go back
[17:31] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> baizon: got ryzen yet mate?
[17:32] <baizon> tomorrow
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> yessss
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> im curious of that beast :p
[17:33] <brunch875> is AMD back into competitiveness?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> brunch875: seems like it
[17:34] <brunch875> do they also embed firmware to the chip like intel does?
[17:34] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah that's the other aspect, you have to 'disrupt' people to get them to swtich
[17:34] <nacc> lotuspsychje: if the only motivation is that it's ubuntu, i don't think that's sufficient
[17:34] <brunch875> nacc: the latest security issues on intel should be motivation enough
[17:34] <brunch875> I'm just wondering if AMD would be as guilty as them
[17:35] <nacc> brunch875: what security issues?
[17:36] <brunch875> nacc: I had some articles laying around about the business remoting technologies
[17:36] <brunch875> nacc: think this is related to it https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/01/intel_amt_me_vulnerability/
[17:38] <nacc> brunch875: what does that have to do with phones?
[17:39] <brunch875> oh, I was side-chatting baizon's ryzen
[17:39] <brunch875> oops haha
[17:40] <brunch875> too much work and no play makes johnny a dull boy
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> not sure what i will do in june..
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> go back to android or try the ubports
[17:43] <brunch875> I went back to android. But I believe the kernel is reaching EOL really soon anyway :/
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> nacc: my dream is that mariogrip makes a new turn and makes an ubuntu-touch to be installed on 'any' device :p
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> alot of git guys invent new things that usefull right
[17:59] <immu> hello
[17:59] <immu> ducasse,
[18:02] <ducasse> \o
[18:03] <immu> how ducasse
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> are you
[18:09] <immu> lotuspsychje, i am fine , you?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> great here
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> http://www.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-shell-3-18-5-Ubuntu16-04-5-677788170
[18:14] <immu> thats your desktop?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> no new one on deviant
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> testing gnome-shell again
[18:24] <Bashing-om> Buuttttt ......... I do not want to learn a new DE (gnome IS interesting ) - be hard to pry me away form xfce !
[18:24] <Bashing-om> from*
[19:55] <immu> after death of unity i am a lost cost?
[20:09] <immu> good nite gentle men