[00:00] <babahulk> Hey all
[00:00] <babahulk> I failed it
[00:00] <babahulk> So I am on a liveUSB at the moment but can't seem to locate my main partition at all
[00:01] <babahulk> when I do boot repair I don't have any option to repair just create summary for help and then gives me link of like paste2.org
[00:01] <babahulk> no direct link
[00:11] <Bashing-om> babahulk: Ho Kay, in that liveUSB boot to terminal and pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' let's see what we have to work to .
[00:15] <babahulk> bashing-om: I put that in and it just shows a bunch of small disks and the live USB
[00:16] <babahulk> https://pastebin.com/N7nxwGee
[00:19] <Bashing-om> natten: UnGood . No hard drive seen . Is this a laptop .. or is the drive easy to get to ? We got to "somehow" get that hard drive recognized .
[00:20] <babahulk> it is a laptop
[00:20] <babahulk> not sure if that makse it easier lol
[00:20] <Bashing-om> babahulk: ^^ sorry natten
[00:20] <natten> Bashing-om: haha, all good :)
[00:23] <Bashing-om> babahulk: Not a good situation to say the least . does GParted see the drive from that liveUSB GUI ? I hardly expect so as fdisk does not see it, but .. maybe - worth a try .
[00:23] <babahulk> so gparted just shows the usb
[00:23] <babahulk> but when I checked from windows partitions
[00:23] <babahulk> I was able to see all of them
[00:24] <Bashing-om> babahulk: encrypted ??
[00:24] <babahulk> I have a password
[00:25] <babahulk> but never did the disk encryption
[00:26] <Bashing-om> babahulk: I m not at all Windows literate. maybe some one else here has a opinion on a best procedure here .
[00:26] <babahulk> lol
[00:26] <babahulk> ty
[00:27] <babahulk> So when I boot into Ubuntu I get dropped to the thing saying (initramfs)
[00:28] <babahulk> oot let me rebb
[00:28] <Bashing-om> babahulk: Real weird to me that Windows see the partitions, but 'buntu does not. We have a problem .
[00:42] <greendevng> Hello guys
[00:44] <lotuspsychje> greendevng: welcome, how can we help you?
[00:52] <lotuspsychje> amirite: dont join irc as root mate
[01:05] <surfacelinux> Hello, is there anyone here who has successfully installed ubuntu on a surface book?
[01:05] <surfacelinux> I can't get the wifi to work for more than a minute
[01:05] <surfacelinux> after which time the kernel hits a bug and I have to reboot
[01:06] <surfacelinux> I've tried 16.04 and 17.04
[01:07] <surfacelinux> I've also tried installing kernel 4.11rc8 but it won't boot
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: what kind of chipset is your wifi?
[01:10] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, the driver is mwifiex, which is a Marvell driver
[01:10] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, how do I determine the chipset?
[01:10] <surfacelinux> mwifiex_pcie*
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: sudo lshw -C network
[01:11] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: you can check there chipset & driver= loaded
[01:12] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, is this the chipset? 88W8897
[01:12] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, I see the driver in the command output
[01:13] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: chipset would be showed as first line, brand + type
[01:13] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: driver= at bottom
[01:13] <surfacelinux>       description: Wireless interface       product: 88W8897 [AVASTAR] 802.11ac Wireless       vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
[01:13] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, first three lines^
[01:14] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: ok good
[01:14] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, have you attempted to get linux onto a surfacebook?
[01:14] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: here's what you could try: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable wifi and re-enable wifi to catch usefull errors
[01:15] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: not personally, but i hear good stories from happy surface users here
[01:15] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, I can reproduce the error easily and it shows up in dmesg
[01:15] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, but once the error hits I would have to reboot
[01:15] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, it leaves the system in an invalid state
[01:19] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: surface 2,3 or 4?
[01:20] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, surface book
[01:20] <babahulk> I think I screwed it all up somehow
[01:20] <babahulk> Only drives showing up are a /dev/loop0 and /dev/sda1 which is my liveUSB
[01:22] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: seems like a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1165938
[01:25] <chilli0> Hello :) can anyone help with byobu ? I am trying to ssh into a remote box, run byobu and get it to split the screens
[01:25] <chilli0> whenever I do it using a new session it breaks for some reason
[01:28] <wedgie> chilli0: please be more specific about the steps you are taking and what "breaks" means
[01:28] <lotuspsychje> surfacelinux: few things you could try: search for modified kernel for surface book, or create a new !bug for 16.04
[01:28] <AndresReyesTech> Hi everyone!
[01:28] <chilli0> wedgie; ssh root@aws.surf -t 'byobu | /root/lgsession.sh' - this logs into SSH, then runs that script
[01:29] <chilli0> however if I do, ssh root@aws.surf -t 'byobu -S test | /root/lgsession.sh'
[01:29] <chilli0> it doesn't seem to run the script until I close the byobu session
[01:29] <wedgie> chilli0: ... I don't think that a pipe is what you want there
[01:29] <chilli0> wedgie, I didn't really think so either.. but it worked for the first one
[01:31] <wedgie> does it work if you just delete the pipe?
[01:35] <Bashing-om> bazhang: Oh boy ,, We do have a problem ! .. OK, when booting, does bios see the hard drive ?
[01:37] <chilli0> wedgie, it gives me unknown command
[01:37] <surfacelinux> lotuspsychje, okay, thanks
[01:45] <grendal_prime> ok i thought there was a way to run older versions of programs on newer releases in ubuntu.
[01:46] <grendal_prime> I have an app that i need to run on 1604 but there is no release yet. It does run on 14.04 isnt there a way to put all of the dependencies into one location just for that one program?
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | grendal_prime
[01:48] <grendal_prime> that works across releases?
[01:50] <antonio_> Has anyone installed the ps3 media server recently?  I can't install it on 16.04
[01:53] <grendal_prime> i think what im looking for is apt-get build-dep
[02:05] <grendal_prime> it seems strange to me that this is not doable
[02:06] <surfacelinux> btw - still curious if anyone here has successfully gotten any linux working on their surfacebook, even if an old version or modded kernel
[02:06] <surfacelinux> any surfacebook owners here?
[02:07] <grendal_prime> i think the idea behind that is hardware dependency built in if i remember right.
[02:07] <grendal_prime> like the hardware looks for windows os
[02:07] <pd1> how does hardware looks like "for windows" ?
[02:07] <grendal_prime> same way apple hardware and os rely on each other.
[02:09] <grendal_prime> i could be wrong but it seems like i remember hereing at one point that the surface hardware was specifically designed for ms os.
[02:10] <antonio_> Does anyone use ps3 media server?  It's not showing any of my files from my shared folders
[02:10] <pd1> surfacelinux: https://github.com/jimdigriz/debian-mssp4 check this
[02:10] <grendal_prime> the same way euhfi...or whatever that new advanced bios is called. it was a windows thing they really wanted to make the bios only work with windows or at least make it very difficult to install anything else
[02:11] <surfacelinux> pd1, that's for sp4
[02:12] <ShutemDown> What's a good virtualization software for windows?
[02:12] <pd1> virtualbox or hyper-v ShutemDown
[02:12] <Jordan_U> grendal_prime: You can use a chroot or container of Ubuntu 14.04 to run the app.
[02:12] <pd1> surfacelinux: https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/4vomyi/state_of_current_linux_surface_book_support/ this is the source of the link...
[02:13] <grendal_prime> to virtualize windows or you want windows to be the house
[02:13] <ShutemDown> Is hyper v included with windows 10?
[02:13] <pd1> surfacelinux: might help
[02:13] <grendal_prime> host that is
[02:13] <pd1> ShutemDown: yes
[02:13] <pd1> if you have the fitting ahrdware
[02:13] <ShutemDown> oh...
[02:13] <pd1> ShutemDown: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows/
[02:13] <ShutemDown> I'll look into if I meet the requirements. I just got this new laptop
[02:13] <ShutemDown> thanks
[02:14] <pd1> then simply: yes it will work :P
[02:14] <ShutemDown> :)
[02:14] <pd1> if its not some creepy hardware from mars
[02:14] <grendal_prime> i3 does not vir host well
[02:14] <ShutemDown> I got I7, 12 GB
[02:15] <pd1> ShutemDown: chekc the bios for virt things to enable and there you go
[02:15] <ShutemDown> Oh ok
[02:15] <grendal_prime> your good check bios to make sur it on
[02:15] <ShutemDown> ok thanks, you guys are great
[02:15] <pd1> running it here on an i5-whatever without problems
[02:16] <grendal_prime> thats what my wife says too.
[02:16] <ShutemDown> She says pd1 is great?  That's odd, you should look into that.
[02:16] <pd1> ShutemDown: but virtualbox is the way more convinient solution if you have to deal with a desktop system as virtual machine
[02:16] <grendal_prime> thanks Jordan_U im looking into it.   I thought i had to do this some time back.
[02:16] <grendal_prime> we play bridge sometimes
[02:16] <ShutemDown> ha
[02:17] <pd1> ShutemDown: like 2-way copy paste, shared folders, etc
[02:17] <ShutemDown> i'll look into both options....It's just been so long since I've done this, I didn't know if there was anything new around (and had totally forgotten about hyper v)
[02:18] <grendal_prime> id continue with the forgetting if i were you...but the only virt solution i use is kvm
[02:18] <pd1> if you are on a windows host then hyper-v is a great solution for running headless vms
[02:19] <ShutemDown> I think I'm just going to run a linux vm instead of managing 2 operating systems
[02:19] <ShutemDown> Now that i finally have the hardware for it
[02:20] <grendal_prime> i go the other direction...but i have to be portable and need the linux as the host .
[02:20] <ShutemDown> you have secure boot enabled?
[02:20] <ShutemDown> I know it's possible, but it seems like a bit of a headache
[02:21] <ShutemDown> I'm not willing to give up secureboot
[02:21] <grendal_prime> no i have more issues with the eliments than with theft.
[02:21] <grendal_prime> i run panasonic toughbooks.
[02:21] <ShutemDown> Its not theft I'm worried about...it's rootkits
[02:22] <pd1> ShutemDown: if you need to worry about rootkits then you have way more important other problems...
[02:22] <grendal_prime> ya, i was just going to say the same thing
[02:22] <konrados> Hi again. I want to find all links to a directory, I found two options here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/429247/how-to-find-and-list-all-the-symbolic-links-created-for-a-particular-file
[02:22] <konrados> why the first answer: `find -L /dir/to/start -xtype l -samefile  '/path/to/original/dir' has so much more upvotes than the second one: `find / -lname /path/to/original/dir`  - doesn't the second solution do the same thing, while being much simpler?
[02:22] <ShutemDown> I'm not worried about them but if I can mitigate the risk then so be it
[02:23] <grendal_prime> well with that sort of mentality, you may want to just unplug the network card
[02:23] <grendal_prime> not to sound snarky.
[02:23] <ShutemDown> ANy risks that can be easily mitigated should be so
[02:24] <grendal_prime> thats the first thin i ask when hardening systems.."wich ones of these need network access and why"
[02:25] <pd1> grendal_prime: better ask: who of these need users and why?
[02:25] <pd1> the idiot with the usb stick will come...
[02:26] <pd1> but thats all offtopic :D
[02:27] <grendal_prime> ya i do a lot of rpie stuff now and your right, there really only needs to be two users one root and user1 for excuting code outside of the actual system core
[02:30] <pd1> konrados: you tired both commands? second one looks simpler but is it doing the same thing? if yes, the upvotes are for a nice answer that explains what it is doing
[02:32] <chilli0> wedgie, any ideas?
[02:34] <konrados> pd1, thanks. Well, if it comes to 'trying' the thing is I have a 1 TB disk to search, and I know that both of these commands are *very* slow - it will probably take many hours. I just want to be sure that I'll call the *right* command :)
[02:34] <grendal_prime> wooo wooo hold your horses....this looks promissing...not what i had in mind but ill give it a shot.
[02:35] <grendal_prime> https://www.ostechnix.com/adapt-run-app-version-ubuntu-version/
[02:37] <konrados> ehhh, I thought it's a simple question, seems I have to do some tests on a smaller space.
[02:38] <akash_> Hello children, you old chef needs help
[02:39] <akash_> you see, I use ubunte mate, and please tell me how can i use windows 98 theme ?
[02:40] <YankDownUnder> akash_, You would decompress the theme and put it into ~/.themes
[02:40] <grendal_prime> probably there is a mint channel as well
[02:41] <akash_> thank you children !
[02:41] <akash_> let me google that. I will find out how to do that. Just needed to know the "search phrase"
[02:41] <akash_> why yankdownunder is green ?
[02:41] <akash_> why I am black ?
[02:42] <akash_> I am not talking about race though !
[02:42] <YankDownUnder> akash_, ubuntu+mate+theme
[02:42] <akash_> yep...
[02:42] <pd1> maybe magic akash_ ....
[02:42] <YankDownUnder> akash_, It would mean that I'm directing a comment to YOU...hence "green" - fairly certain...depending on the IRC client...
[02:43] <akash_> oh... I did not know that. thanks yankdownunder
[02:44] <wajideus> hoy
[02:45] <akash_> ahoy mate !
[02:45] <wajideus> so, I'm getting fed up with this keyboard bug on ubuntu  :/
[02:45] <sweetheart> What does it do
[02:45] <wajideus> it randomly presses and releases the shift key when I'm typing
[02:46] <sweetheart> Hah
[02:46] <pd1> sure its not the keyboard itself? tried another one?
[02:46] <wajideus> it's not the keyboard
[02:46] <wajideus> brand new pc, problem doesn't occur on windows
[02:46] <YankDownUnder> I don't seem to recall having that issue...hmm...
[02:47] <sweetheart> Wonder what causes it
[02:47] <wajideus> eg, sometimes i'll be typing normally, and out of nowhere, it acts like I pressed shortcut combo like Ctrl-S or something
[02:47] <YankDownUnder> Wireless keyboard?
[02:47] <wajideus> other times, I'll be holding the shift key, and after I type 3 or 4 chars, it automatically releases the shift key (even though I'm still holding it)
[02:47] <grendal_prime> ive had that happen.  I had to run that detect keyboard tool thing.
[02:47] <wajideus> the same thing happens when I'm trying to select text
[02:48] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Is it a wireless keyboard....hmm?
[02:48] <sweetheart> Touchpad?
[02:48] <wajideus> holding the shift key, pressing the down arrow a few times, and then my text is just randomly deselected; it's annoying as hell
[02:48] <pd1> wajideus: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/129159/record-every-keystroke-and-store-in-a-file tty this to get an idea of wehat it is actually doing
[02:48] <wajideus> &no, it's not wireless
[02:48] <wajideus> it's a laptop
[02:48] <Random832> what kind of keyboard is it
[02:48] <grendal_prime> touchpads suck for that sort of thing to
[02:49] <Random832> gaming keyboards sometimes do fancy weird stuff to allow more than six(?) keys to be pressed at once
[02:49] <wajideus> it's not a gaming keyboard or a wireless
[02:49] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Find out what's running in the background - something that might affect the window manager (or desktop environment)...in some instances, "bluetooth" services could/would interrupt that...
[02:49] <babahulk> So after some searching and failures I made no progress
[02:49] <grendal_prime> the toughbooks do a good job of not being to sensitive. but my system system 76 was crazy for that sort of stuff.
[02:49] <wajideus> it's just the factory built-in keyboard on my laptop
[02:49] <babahulk> My only drives are /dev/sda1 (liveUSB) and /dev/loop0
[02:49] <wajideus> and it's not a sensitivity issue
[02:49] <babahulk> my fstab is ded
[02:50] <babahulk> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ cat etc/fstab aufs / aufs rw 0 0 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[02:50] <wajideus> I'm noticed that when uses ncurses, if I press the arrow keys a few times, it acts like I hit Shift+Up when I haven't
[02:50] <wajideus> *nano
[02:50] <babahulk> I have no idea what happened.  Everything was fine until my cat sat on the power button and it shutdown
[02:50] <babahulk> then all my drives disappeared from gparted and such and can't boot
[02:50] <babahulk> But when I swap to windows I can see the partitions for everything still saying its healthy
[02:51] <pd1> "I have no idea what happened.  Everything was fine until my cat sat on the power button and it shutdown" those harry monsters...
[02:51] <YankDownUnder> Can't always blame the cat. Cat's are blameless.
[02:51] <babahulk> lol
[02:51] <wajideus> there should be nothing running in the background. This is a clean install
[02:51] <wajideus> I should mention that the same exact thing happened on a vanilla install of archlinux
[02:52] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Um...yes...right...nothing is ever running in the background. Never. Nada. Nothing. Nil. (extreme sarcasm)
[02:52] <wajideus> don't be an ass
[02:52] <pd1> wajideus: record whats comming from the keyboard and see if the "shift" key input comes from the keybaord or from somewhere else
[02:52] <wajideus> I meant that there's nothing I've installed personally that could be messing it up
[02:52] <YankDownUnder> If the same issues recur with the same machine, then there would be something relatively evident to research - which would be the "keyboard driver" for that particular laptop.
[02:53] <pd1> thats the only way to figure out where the problem is located since you say the keyboard is ok
[02:53] <babahulk> I wish I backed things up recently
[02:54] <babahulk> granted I can't even install without drives
[02:54] <pd1> babahulk: you cannot get the harddrive at all when running from live usb?
[02:54] <YankDownUnder> *nix talks directly to hardware...so if hardware is flaky, then there is an issue in the communication between the OS and the hardware - which would be driver.
[02:54] <babahulk> just the liveUSB or a random loop0 which just started showing up
[02:55] <pd1> live usb + another usb stick/hdd/external drive works?
[02:55] <babahulk> yeah
[02:55] <babahulk> it saw another drive
[02:55] <babahulk> but I disconnected it to prevent me from screwing it ip too
[02:55] <babahulk> ejected*
[02:56] <pd1> its not you - its the cat....
[02:56] <pd1> ;)
[02:56] <babahulk> lol poor lana
[02:56] <YankDownUnder> CAT'S ARE BLAMELESS.
[02:56] <babahulk> I was in my grub settings
[02:56] <babahulk> and it has some UUID
[02:56] <konrados> Why when I enter `cd /home///` - I don't get any errors? Why can I create a symlink to `/home/////` - really, unix doesn't care about this garbage slashes?
[02:57] <babahulk> I didn't know if I should like copy that into my fstab?
[02:57] <wajideus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1532746
[02:57] <wajideus> ^ this is literally the exact problem I'm having
[02:57] <wajideus> except my model is hp 17-g121wm
[02:57] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, So - in that "bug report" - what was the resolution to the issue?
[02:57] <babahulk> Also I tried gparted to restore/rescue data and it says I need gpart
[02:58] <babahulk> but i can't install gpart to try
[03:01] <wajideus> I'm not seeing a fix
[03:01] <wajideus> I see dozens of people saying they have the same problem
[03:01] <wajideus> but no one with answers
[03:02] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, What desktop are you using?
[03:03] <babahulk> I don't know I think I give up
[03:04] <wajideus> the standard unity desktop
[03:04] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Right. Unity. Hang on a tick.
[03:05] <wajideus> but I'm 100% sure that has nothing to do with it, because i recently tried archlinux with both the i3-gaps and dwm desktops, and both had the same exact issues
[03:05] <wajideus> even running without a desktop environment at all, the issue is there
[03:07] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Here's something to condsider - using "xinput" to "force" a keyboard layout. You can use "xinput list" to list the devices (input devices) that are on your system Armed with that information, you can "force" the keyboard to be, well, whatever...it's something worth experimenting with - especially since the issue is relatively a priority.
[03:10] <konrados> I'm reading this: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-unixlinux-symbolic-soft-and-hard-links.html and I have a question: can we say that *usually* we want symbolic links *unless* we want the functionality described on paragraph starting with "If alink.conf was a hard link, our data would still be accessible"?
[03:11] <wajideus> brb
[03:33] <sunrunner20> something funny is going on with my 16.04 server install, but i'm not sure what
[03:33] <sunrunner20> it still had the cdrom repo
[03:33] <sunrunner20> and now i'm getting this:  sudo echo "chefserver" > /etc/hostname
[03:33] <sunrunner20> -bash: /etc/hostname: Read-only file system
[03:35] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Could give it a quick "update/upgrade" and reboot - see if that resolves the issue...as well, you can install "rkhunter"
[03:37] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Every now and again - the disks need to be fsck'd - just as a matter of good maintenance and health...which - if you've not done so - is probably a good thing to do...
[03:37] <sunrunner20> its a vm thats quite new
[03:38] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, All the more reason to fsck the "disks"...hmm...ain't like it's gonna take long...
[03:39] <segersjerry> I want to record from my usb audio interface from the command line. I have confirmed that the device works using audacity. I am trying to use arecord to do the recording, but I can't figure out what to put after the --device= flag. arecord -L lists it as card 1 device 0, but hw1,0 doesn't work. any ideas?
[03:39] <sunrunner20> hrm
[03:39] <sunrunner20> update seems to have hung
[03:39] <sunrunner20> or a host is just taking its time
[03:40] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Patience...give it a few minutes...and if anything, you can always kill the process and try it again...hmm...could check the DNS you're using...either which...there's a resolution to that...
[03:41] <konrados> pd1, thanks again, I now know the difference between those two ways of looking for links. If we have two links one to /home and the other to /home/ (notice the trailing slash) - then using the first version with `-samefile /home` will find both. The second option, with `-lname /home` will find only the first link.
[03:42] <sunrunner20> dns should be good
[03:42] <wajideus> okay, I'm getting seriously annoyed
[03:43] <sunrunner20> it was downloading from chef's servers just fine
[03:43] <sunrunner20> I was drunk when I created the VM... I'm betting I just hosed the install in some subtle way
[03:43] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, No comment...ahem...yersh.
[03:43] <wajideus> adding i8042.dumbkbd to my grub config fixes the problems for graphical applications, but using shift+arrow keys in a terminal make it insert A, B, C, and D
[03:43] <sunrunner20> lol YankDownUnder
[03:44] <sunrunner20> at least its only modifications from stock are: I installed chef and enabled ssh
[03:44] <wajideus> also, the led on the caps lock button doesn't work
[03:45] <wajideus> because the whole i8042.dumbkbd thing is essentially a hack to work around the fact that the keyboard driver is crap
[03:45] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Always a good idea to install "rkhunter" (root kit hunter) as a paranoia - as well, always good to run an "fsck" on things when things are a bit freaky.
[03:45] <sunrunner20> def not a rootkit
[03:45] <sunrunner20> never been exposed to the internet
[03:45] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Then doing "update/upgrades" and a reboot is always good...
[03:46] <sunrunner20> huh
[03:46] <sunrunner20> update failed
[03:46] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, If the VM isn't exposed to the net, that's cool...nice and "sterile" and all that jazz...
[03:46] <sunrunner20> ^c'd it
[03:46] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Reboot - try again.
[03:46] <sunrunner20> it flashed through the list of remaining servers then complained about readonlny fs again
[03:46] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, OR...merely restart the networking: sudo systemctl restart networking
[03:46] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Reboot. Especially if it's getting freaky. Reboot.
[03:47] <sunrunner20> fsck is freaking out
[03:48] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, If fsck is having a sh*tfit, then, um...something MIGHT be NOT right...hmm...
[03:48] <sunrunner20> yea
[03:48] <sunrunner20> I'm going to nuke and pave
[03:49] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, "Stick a fork in it, turn it over, it's done."
[03:50] <sunrunner20> hey... where'd my 16.04 iso go
[03:50] <sunrunner20> oh there it is
[03:50] <pxfgod> when I press ctrl+shift+f1 to switch to a new tty. my gui term stop run. for example. I run a chrominum on ctrl+shift+f8. it's surfing youtube.com, playing audio, after I switch to f1, voice is gone. why?
[03:51] <YankDownUnder> pxfgod, Because you've just switched the active session. The vid/audio is still playing - just NOT on the tty you're on.
[03:51] <pxfgod> it seems that chrominum process sleeps.
[03:53] <sunrunner20> guestimate linux is already half done reinstalling
[03:53] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Kinda funny how fast a VM server installation goes, eh...
[03:53] <sunrunner20> esp on SSDs
[03:53] <akash_> hmmm
[03:53] <sunrunner20> ISO is on my external HDD and vmdk is on a SSD
[03:54] <sunrunner20> and I'm on a 40mbit down line
[03:54] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, SSD's *should* be "the norm"
[03:54] <sunrunner20> for anybody making more than like $15/16/hr sure
[03:55] <sunrunner20> that was a project at work that I ran that all the important people love me for
[03:55] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Um...hmm...can't comment there...not sure what "minimum rate" is here...I reckon it's vastly different, but.
[03:56] <sunrunner20> some reason the IT head hancho ordered all the desktops as 32bit win7
[03:56] <pxfgod> YankDownUnder, it seems processes run by tty8 halt. how to prevent from halting?
[03:56] <sunrunner20> trying to develop on that *shudder*, ssds make it tolerable
[03:56] <YankDownUnder> Ooooo...32 bit Win7! Wow!
[03:57] <sunrunner20> 2yrs ago I said f this and installed win7 64
[03:57] <sunrunner20> canabalized a machine for another 4gb ram
[03:57] <sunrunner20> done installing lol
[03:58] <sunrunner20> hrm
[03:58] <sunrunner20> still have the cdrom repo again
[03:58] <shehin> hi
[03:58] <sunrunner20> sigh, nuke pave, install by hand.
[03:58] <YankDownUnder> pxfgod, You've switched out of an active "application" - Chromium. The outputs are going to stop when you switch out of that tty. Since the outputs stop, Chromium stops. Because Chromium is watching the input/outputs. No way around it. Otherwise, don't use tty1 if you can merely use a different virtual desktop or open a terminal...hmm?
[03:59] <wajideus> Alrighty, I'm fed up with the driver nonsense. I'm going back to windows
[03:59] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, In not knowing what you're using for doing VM's - after you've done the installation, hand-edit the /etc/apt/sources.list - and remove the CDROM lines. THEN do your updates/upgrades...
[03:59] <YankDownUnder> wajideus, Have fun. I'll make sure that Mark Shuttleworth knows you're upset about not being able to use Ubuntu.
[03:59] <sunrunner20> vmware workstation 11 I think
[04:00] <wajideus> good to know
[04:00] <pxfgod> YankDownUnder, what about to make Chromium a daemon?
[04:00] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Right oh. Well, do as I suggested. After the "server install", hand-edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the CDROM schmutz.
[04:00] <YankDownUnder> pxfgod, Er...no.
[04:02] <sunrunner20> I'd love to see a blog post about how keyboard layout detection questions were created
[04:04] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, If a hardware OEM makes something specifically for MS Windows - and ONLY for MS Windows, there's only a few ways to get around the BS...otherwise, "grin and bear it"...it's not like you can't just plug in an external keyboard and whatnot...and as well, it ain't like it's impossible to "force map" a keyboard and MAKE it work...but hey, some people want a "two minute noodles" solution...
[04:14] <sunrunner20> YankDownUnder, it wasn't my drunken state that ruined the vm... aparently vmware's easy install and 16.04 don't mix
[04:15] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Gather up rocks, throw them at the CEO of VMWare. Just not big rocks. Small rocks. But SHARP rocks.
[04:15] <sunrunner20> lol
[04:15] <sunrunner20> its likely because I'm using a 2-3yr old version of workstation
[04:17] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, you could blame that, yes...you could also blame everyone else...which is the norm nowadays...MEANWHILE, this is why I use VirtualBox...always...I can't blame aliens or Trump or the Illuminati.
[04:17] <sunrunner20> yech
[04:17] <sunrunner20> virtualbox
[04:18] <sunrunner20> I have to admit vmware is the only thing i'm zealot-ish about
[04:18] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, The price is right. It's $0, $0 down, 100% finance, no monthly payments.
[04:18] <sunrunner20> although now that I'm using android I'm starting to hate it
[04:18] <sunrunner20> I mean, you can't push dns servers to openvpn clients on android what kind of )@($#@)$@# is that?
[04:19]  * YankDownUnder pets his Virtualbox 
[04:19] <sunrunner20> backups, what are those? just use the cloud!
[04:19] <YankDownUnder> Clouds break.
[04:20] <sunrunner20> the only thing thats driving me to android is apple dropping the 3.5mm port
[04:20] <sunrunner20> and that itunes' music syncing is meh at best
[04:21]  * YankDownUnder pats his older Macs
[04:21] <YankDownUnder> Yersh...
[04:21] <sunrunner20> if android doesn't support my VPNs?
[04:22] <sunrunner20> bet your balls I'm buckling down and just buying like 10 lightning to 3.5mm adapters
[04:22] <YankDownUnder> VPN's are easy enough to create/fake...
[04:22] <YankDownUnder> Either which, tis now nap time for me...have to shut the eyes for a while. As the world churns.
[04:22] <sunrunner20> yea
[04:22] <sunrunner20> its bed time for me in about 15-20
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[04:24] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Age is *my* excuse. Keep an eye on that server installation. Catch you later - hope you get it updated/upgraded without any further issues with VMWare and all it's fun. I do - DO suggest getting it all solid prior to installing your databases and all that jazz on it...
[04:24] <sunrunner20> its updating now
[04:25] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Did you remove the CD repos?
[04:25] <sunrunner20> updated
[04:25] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, coolbeans...all is well in in your world.
[04:25] <sunrunner20> didn't have to this time
[04:26] <YankDownUnder> sunrunner20, Right oh - cheerio! Peace
[04:26] <sunrunner20> nite
[04:43] <shachaf> Is there a standard procedure for turning on full disk encryption after installation?
[04:44] <shachaf> I see some old posts saying you can't do it but maybe something has changed. Or maybe I can do it by moving data to an external disk or something rather than completely in-place.
[05:04] <cristobal_> anyone knows if its plausible to set a start time on dejadup ?  for example if daily backup is setup to be run every day at 8pm ?
[05:11] <cristobal_> alright guys found a solution with cron jobs :   0 2 * * 0 /usr/bin/deja-dup --backup
[05:23] <akash_> good
[05:29] <akash_> hello, can you please tell me how can I share file between opensuse and ubuntu ? Both are running the latest stable version. 42.1 and 16.04 thanks
[05:30] <ponyrider> akash_: mount the partition and copy the file
[05:30] <segersjerry> akash_, I'm a relative noob, but I use samba for filesharing.
[05:30] <akash_> ok. let me try samba.
[05:31] <ponyrider> akash_: if you dont know what your doing, why not just use the cloud?
[05:31] <akash_> is there any way to set up and ftp in opensuse and just download it ?
[05:32] <akash_> Cloud ? I need to copy my backups to my laptop which is 600 gb and my internet connection is 3mbps :)
[05:32] <ponyrider> akash_: sudo python -m http.server 8000
[05:32] <chocolaterobot> there was a real big (4 foot high) scanner i used to scan documents as one Tiff. If I split the TIFF into individual pages (one page per tiff) will the image quality go down?
[05:33] <kostkon> chocolaterobot, afaik tiff is lossless
[05:33] <chocolaterobot> kostkon: thank you. is lossless the same  as compressionless?
[05:33] <kostkon> chocolaterobot, no
[05:33] <chocolaterobot> kostkon: can you enjoy both losslessness and compression?
[05:33] <kostkon> chocolaterobot, yeap
[05:33] <chocolaterobot> kostkon: thank you.
[05:34] <kostkon> chocolaterobot, np
[05:34] <akash_> uh, sudo python -m http.server 8000 does not work in opensuse
[05:37] <akash_> hello, koi to hein ?
[05:39] <Guest9943>  -=Stealth=-   [0;-)
[05:40] <Guest9943> @drone = Anapnea buttfuck
[05:57] <raj_iiitg> can anyone tell how to upgrade 32-bit ubuntu(16.04) into 64-bit?
[05:59] <Wulf> raj_iiitg: reinstall
[05:59] <raj_iiitg> other option except it?
[06:00] <Wulf> raj_iiitg: no safe ones
[06:01] <raj_iiitg> ok..
[06:06] <pxfgod> strace a.out > x.txt, a.out is a hello-world program, how to make bash regard cmd like "(strace a.out) > x.txt " rather than "strace (a.out > x.txt)"?
[06:12] <NIES_> hello
[06:17] <g00dgame> Hey anybody: Can anyone tell me, how I can set a fixed device number (js0) to a specific device which I plug in? I want my controller to be on js0 everytime I plug it in, doesnt matter which other devices have been also plugged in before.
[06:18] <g00dgame> Reason: Rocket League(Steam Game) needs the gamepad on js0 to recognize it.
[06:18] <hateball> g00dgame: I suppose you can write a udev rule for that
[06:19] <Wulf> g00dgame: don't depend on it being "js0", but create a symlink. udev rule.
[06:20] <g00dgame> hateball: Wulf: I have found this solution by searching online. Ill write my information to a pastebin, you might be able to tell me why the line isnt working
[06:27] <g00dgame> hateball: Wulf: https://pastebin.com/Hk1Lbk7n
[06:35] <hateball> g00dgame: not a pro when it comes to udev, and I dont have the means to test myself atm sorry
[06:37] <hateball> g00dgame: looking at this post, seems to use ATTRS{name} instead https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2186521
[06:42] <hexhaxtron> Hi! If I have about 50 users on my SSH server, how can I give them all a X session? I wanted to give them a X session, one for each but not shared. Where can I read about this?
[06:42] <hexhaxtron> Do I need VNC?
[06:45] <hateball> hexhaxtron: or use X-forwarding
[06:45] <YankDownUnder> hexhaxtron, https://askubuntu.com/questions/880333/ubuntu-server-multiple-simultaneous-remote-users/880402#880402
[07:09] <mayuri>  min ye
[07:43] <hoijui_> in a normal bash session, i can run `espeak "Hello"`, but the cronjob '* * * * * /usr/bin/espeak "Hello"' does not do what i want. why is that, and how can i "fix" this?
[07:44] <hoijui_> i assume, it is an issue with rights or unset variables or something like that. i have the same problem with all other GUI/X related scripts
[08:03] <nomount> I have a problem using external harddisks. They get mounted automatically at /media/username/UUID, but I cannot access them using nautilus or the teminal. "Permission denied"
[08:03] <nomount> This happens both for ext and ntfs disks
[08:05] <YankDownUnder> nomount, When you created your "user" did you make the "user" an administrator?
[08:05] <nomount> YankDownUnder: yes, but even regular users can use external disks right?
[08:05] <YankDownUnder> nomount, not always.
[08:06] <YankDownUnder> nomount, Try adding your user to the group "wheel", reboot, and try again, eh?
[08:07] <YankDownUnder> nomount, And double check that your "user" is an administator.
[08:07] <nomount> YankDownUnder: thats not it, I have another ubuntu PC where the user is in no group, and he can still access external disks
[08:08] <YankDownUnder> nomount, I'm offering something to test/try. If you do not like what I have to offer, and you already have an answer, then peace and blessings.
[08:08] <cfhowlett> !cookie | YankDownUnder
[08:08] <ouroumov> nomount, I've seen such things happen with ext4 disks, ntfs however that's weird
[08:19] <CyberTex> Hi, "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background  picture-uri 'file:///home/majed/Pictures/Today'" caches the selected file if it has the same name. How can I prevent the  caching?
[08:21] <menace> hi, why is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com not reachable via https?
[08:22] <CyberTex> Very similar to https://askubuntu.com/questions/418493/setting-wallpaper-in-gnome-with-command-line-only-works-once
[08:24] <juniorlinuxx> Hello
[08:25] <juniorlinuxx> How can I open a web page time-controlled as a bash skript?
[08:25] <nomount> ouroumov: yes, something went wrong with my system, but I don't know what or how to debug it
[08:26] <juanonymous> where do i get earlier release of ubuntu?
[08:26] <cfhowlett> earlier than what?
[08:26] <juanonymous> like 14.04 or 12.04
[08:26] <cfhowlett> juanonymous, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/
[08:27] <juanonymous> thanks cfhowlett
[08:27] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:28] <cfhowlett> http://releases.ubuntu.com/   juanonymous this will work better
[08:28] <menace> juniorlinuxx: yeah with cron and the bash script :)
[08:28] <juniorlinuxx> How can I open a web page time-controlled as a bash skript? Like open google.de 12pm tomorrow
[08:29] <menace> crontab entry for the bashscript for the time and the bash script does wget? or do you mean open with firefox?
[08:30] <juniorlinuxx> wget
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> nomount, Possible read: https://askubuntu.com/questions/806762/permission-problem-on-media-user-folder-prevents-me-from-accessing-external-med
[08:30] <juniorlinuxx> wget -q -o /dev/null -O /dev/null $adress
[08:31] <juniorlinuxx> but how I can make the time
[08:31] <hateball> juniorlinuxx: This can be helpful https://crontab.guru/
[08:31] <hateball> (if you have basic understanding of cron)
[08:31] <naskeli> is there a way to install network-manager from 16.04 if i'm still on 14.04?
[08:31] <ducasse> juniorlinuxx: also 'man cron' and 'man 5 crontab'
[08:31] <naskeli> without upgrading to 16.04 that is
[08:32] <ouroumov> nomount, the time I  had this happen to me on an NTFS drive, turns out an entry got added to fstab, but shouldn't have been. Maybe take a look?
[08:32] <juniorlinuxx> thanks hateball & ducasse
[08:33] <ducasse> naskeli: not a supported one, no
[08:33] <juniorlinuxx> can be crontab use once?
[08:34] <ducasse> juniorlinuxx: see also 'man at'
[08:34] <ducasse> juniorlinuxx: might be more suited for what you want.
[08:52] <thelorc> helo
[08:57] <nomount> ouroumov: It's a freshly formatted drive, so its not in fstab
[09:00] <isolated> fastfood
[09:00] <isolated> http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <cfhowlett> isolated, ask your support question
[09:01] <repoback> i want to compress my directory, and then encrypt them into one file.
[09:01] <repoback> i use this command: tar cz /var/ | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -e > out.tar.gz
[09:01] <repoback> but i don't why i got this error from tar: file ... socket ignored.
[09:01] <cousteau> hi
[09:02] <repoback> and i don't how much aes-cbc is secure!
[09:02] <repoback> any idea?
[09:03] <alexandre81> hi
[09:03] <cousteau> I have a relatively old PC at work in which I have Ubuntu 12.04 installed (the reason for not having upgraded is that I have some third party programs installed and I don't want to touch anything and risk getting everything broken)
[09:03] <isolated> sorry ,i can not answer your question .i am just not good at this
[09:03] <alexandre81> i have a question
[09:04] <cousteau> Today I received an update that says that it will install the package "ubuntu-advantage-tools".  What exactly is this?
[09:04] <alexandre81> someone can help me with install a antivirus, im a noobie in linux
[09:04] <cfhowlett> !malware | alexandre81
[09:05] <ducasse> !esm | cousteau might have to do with this
[09:05] <cfhowlett> !antivirus | alexandre81
[09:05] <alexandre81> well i started yesterday working with ubuntu
[09:06] <agoodm> Hi, in 17.04 how do I disable mouse acceleration? In previous versions I have ran xset m 0 0 automatically at appropriate times, this no longer seems to be working for me.
[09:06]  * cousteau reads
[09:07] <cousteau> ducasse, that seems to say that it's a paid service, but I don't remember paying anything
[09:07]  * cousteau wonders if he's using a pirated version of Ubuntu
[09:07] <live> is there any reason why I should (try to) install Linux with Intel Rapid Storage Technology enabled in the BIOS?
[09:09] <ducasse> cousteau: no, so you won't be getting the actual service, but just the tool(s) to set it up. i'm guessing here, though.
[09:10] <ducasse> live: afaik you should disable that if you use linux
[09:12] <cousteau> ducasse, yeah, that was what I was thinking as well
[09:12] <cousteau> package content is http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/all/ubuntu-advantage-tools/filelist
[09:13] <ducasse> cousteau: i assume it works like the kernel livepatch thingy, and is linked to an account. but as the factoid said, this is outside what is supported here, you need to ask canonical for details.
[09:13] <cousteau> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1686183  and the introductory bug report
[09:14] <cousteau> ah, sorry
[09:22] <ducasse> cousteau: it's nothing to be sorry about :) you can ask about it here, we just can't tell you very much or help you with actual problems with the service :)
[09:22] <cousteau> yeah, but you know, the noise...
[09:23] <ducasse> you might want to try emailing or calling them if you want the service or want to know more.
[09:24] <cousteau> no, I don't think I'll be getting it; I'm finishing my work with this computer anyway and after that it'll likely be formatted
[09:24] <cousteau> hm, if I install that package I'll get an annoying notification in the MOTD every time I connect via ssh...
[09:25] <ducasse> probably a script in /etc/update-motd.d that you can just disable
[09:26] <cousteau> yes, that's how I knew I'd get that message; I downloaded the package and I'm inspecting it
[09:27] <newbie_> Hey guys, am having a slight wifi issue on my Dell Xps 13 running Kubuntu 16.04
[09:27] <BillKGR> newbie_, elaborate a bit more
[09:27] <newbie_> it shows all the connections, but once I put in all the info (username, password, security settings, etc.) it says 'for accessing the WiFi network you need to provide a password' and two little popups come up saying wifi deactivated and no secrets were provided. I tried my WiFi password again here which i know to be 100% correct and checked thoroughly, but it still doesn't work.  Am I missing something really simple or is there ano
[09:27] <ducasse> cousteau: to remove it you probably need to remove ubuntu-minimal as well, and that can/will break upgrades
[09:28] <cousteau> I think I'll leave the update rotting there until it gets some extra stuff
[09:29] <cousteau> anyway I don't think the solution is to get paid support; if I really cared about security and updates I'd have upgraded my ubuntu.  It's been long since I've started noticing that precise is getting "rotten"
[09:29] <BillKGR> cousteau, with a quick gsearch I found this:  network manager -> manage connections->edit -> check system connection , try it and tell me if it worked
[09:30] <cousteau> (like, no support anywhere)
[09:30] <cousteau> BillKGR, I bet newbie_ will like to know that as well :)
[09:30] <BillKGR> haaaa, sorry cousteau :)
[09:31] <BillKGR> newbie_, do this: network manager -> manage connections->edit -> check system connection
[09:34] <newbie_> How do i get to network manager on Kubuntu? (excuse my lack of knowledge)
[09:36] <cousteau> is it not right-clicking the network icon?  (sorry, I don't use Kubuntu; but it's how it typically works)
[09:36] <newbie_> right clicking it takes me to "configure network connections"
[09:41] <oquidave> Hello, any possible explaination to this scenario https://dpaste.de/JjUG. port is not open in a container, but it can be reached from outside?!!
[09:53] <maffh> Does anybody has experience with the performance tool perf?
[09:53] <shachaf> If you have a question you may be better off asking it directly rather than asking for volunteers.
[09:57] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[09:58] <dbugger> I have a doubt. I am using a Ubuntu Computer, and I am liking a lot the icon theme it uses. Could someone identify what theme it is (or tell me how I could find out)?
[09:58] <dbugger> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2017-05-04_11-56-24-5B4zeGlt.png
[09:58] <Guest48155> help/
[09:59] <cfhowlett> !help | Guest48155
[09:59] <jhonnyBeGood> 7join #postgresql
[09:59] <cfhowlett> dbugger, look in settings, appearance
[10:00] <dbugger> cfhowlett, it looks... empty
[10:00] <dbugger> There is nothing selected
[10:01] <ducasse> dbugger: 'grep icon-theme ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini'
[10:02] <rdanter> maffh: what do you need to do with perf?
[10:02] <dbugger> ducasse, nothing returns
[10:02] <dbugger> ducasse, the only thing in that file is "gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=1"
[10:03] <ducasse> dbugger: try 'grep icon-theme ~/.gtkrc-2.0'
[10:03] <dbugger> ducasse, "No such file or directory"
[10:04] <maffh> I am trying to use to use the perf tool. However, I have a problem. I first ran "sudo perf record ls". This created a file pref.data. However, when I try to run the command "sudo perf report perf.data" it loads an interface, but at the bottom it says "cannot load tips.txt file, please install perf!"
[10:04] <maffh> Did I not install perf correctly or is this correct?
[10:05] <rdanter> maffh: how did you install it? Try this: sudo apt-get install linux-tools-`uname -r`
[10:05] <ducasse> dbugger: ok, then i have no clue.
[10:05] <dbugger> ducasse, thanks anyway, mate
[10:05] <maffh> I have tried that
[10:05] <dbugger> ducasse, I will try in askubuntu.com
[10:06] <invariant1729> Hi, I can't download adobe flash player on my ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[10:06] <invariant1729> I went to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[10:07] <invariant1729> downloaded the required files
[10:07] <invariant1729> followed the readme.txt file for installation but it didn't work
[10:08] <maffh> rdanter:  I just this command to install: apt-get install linux-tools-common linux-tools-generic linux-tools-`uname -r`
[10:08] <maffh> just=used
[10:08] <invariant1729> still the sites can't detect flash player installed on my system
[10:08] <maffh> I am using ubuntu version 16.04
[10:09] <rdanter> maffh: hmm, ok, to use perf for userspace only, like ls, you don't need to use sudo
[10:09] <Guest48155> hi .i try to install siesta in ubuntu 17 .but when i type" sude make "after that i go to obj file to open siesta program but it cant opent it.what should i do ?
[10:09] <ducasse> invariant1729: wrong way to install it. install the adobe-flashplugin package instead.
[10:10] <ducasse> can firefox even do flash anymore?
[10:10] <maffh> rdanter: When I use it without sudo it complains about that I dont have permission. This is the error I receive: You may not have permission to collect stats.
[10:10] <rdanter> maffh: i just tried this: "perf recorg -g la /" and then "perf report --stdio" and it works (except no kernel symbols)
[10:10] <invariant1729> ducasse: No
[10:11] <ducasse> invariant1729: no to what?
[10:12] <invariant1729> ducasse: you asked "can firefox even do flash anymore?"
[10:12] <sobersabre> hi, I have font layout problems with terminal + bash-it
[10:12] <sobersabre> using terminal emulator called 'tilix', but it reproduces on any emulation.
[10:12] <ducasse> invariant1729: which browser are you using?
[10:12] <rdanter> maffh: repeated test with sudo, same results but with kernel symbols included. Tested on both 14.04 and 16.04
[10:12] <invariant1729> ducasse: chromium. I want it to be enabled in chromim
[10:12] <ducasse> invariant1729: then do like i told you.
[10:13] <cfhowlett> chromium comes with flash support IIRC
[10:13] <hateball> not ootb no
[10:13] <maffh> @rdanter : When I try to run "sudo perf report --stdio" it resulted in the following error : "File perf.data not owned by current user or root (use -f to override)"
[10:13] <ducasse> cfhowlett: no, you need pepperflash from chrome afaik
[10:13] <invariant1729> ducasse: Should I use the apt tool?
[10:13] <rdanter> maffh: you need to use sudo for both record and report
[10:13] <maffh> and when I use -f it says "zero-sized file (perf.data), nothing to do!"
[10:13] <ducasse> invariant1729: yes
[10:13] <hateball> invariant1729: for pepperflash you want "apt install pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
[10:14] <hateball> or if you want flash for both firefox and chromium use apt install adobe-flashplugin
[10:14] <hateball> needs partner repo enabled
[10:14] <hateball> adobe-flashplugin also has the upside of properly updating flash through apt, whereas with pepperflash alone you need to run a standalone check
[10:15] <ducasse> which is why i told him to use that :)
[10:15] <rdanter> maffh: also make sure you are in a directory where files can be written
[10:15] <hateball> ducasse: ah, sorry didnt see that
[10:15] <invariant1729> hateball: Ok. Thanks
[10:16] <invariant1729> ducasse: Thanks man.
[10:16] <hateball> also yes firefox does flash, but it's the only npapi plugin it supports now :o
[10:16] <ducasse> sobersabre: can you be more specific?
[10:16] <invariant1729> hateball: What's the difference between this npapi and ppapi? what's all this jargon?
[10:17] <hateball> invariant1729: npapi is what firefox uses, ppapi is what chromium uses
[10:17] <invariant1729> hateball: Ok
[10:18] <hateball> just... different APIs
[10:18] <maffh> rdanter: I changed the permission of the directory to  chmod 777 and rerun your comments, but it still resulted into the same answer.
[10:18] <hateball> invariant1729: again, installing the adobe-flashplugin package will fetch the right stuff regardless of which
[10:18] <rdanter> maffh: which ubuntu version?
[10:18] <invariant1729> hateball: oh, I see.
[10:19] <maffh> ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64 BIT
[10:20] <invariant1729> hateball: Is there any way to install it without using apt? I mean install it via tar.gz file?
[10:20] <ash___> please tell me where are the display conf files located in ubuntu
[10:21] <hateball> invariant1729: why would you want that
[10:22] <invariant1729> hateball: I was just trying :D
[10:24] <ducasse> invariant1729: of course it is possible, but it is a bad idea and unsupported here.
[10:24] <ricard> hello,i want desinstall amazon but not is in repositori and the apt-get remove say me no found,help pleas
[10:24] <rdanter> maffh: not sure why your's doesn't work then, this is what I get: https://pastebin.com/J3mdU3pj
[10:24] <cfhowlett> because you never had amazon installed
[10:24] <invariant1729> ducasse: ok, no problem.
[10:25] <rdanter> maffh: all I did to install was: sudo apt-get install linux-tools-`uname -r`
[10:25] <ricard> no is in de front and open
[10:25] <maffh> rdanter: Hmm weird. I am going to try to get it to work on a different computer. Thx for the tips:)
[10:26] <rdanter> maffh: no prob, good luck!
[10:26] <maffh> Thank you!
[10:32] <invariant1729> ducasse: I tried sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin. But it says Package adobe-flashplugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:32] <ducasse> invariant1729: activate the partner repo
[10:33] <invariant1729> ducasse: Sorry, I am new. How should I do that?
[10:33] <ducasse> invariant1729: in 'software and updates'
[10:35] <rdanter> ducasse: isn't the package called "flashplugin-installer" ?
[10:35] <hateball> rdanter: thats an older package
[10:35] <hateball> and it's for firefox only
[10:35] <rdanter> ah, ok
[10:35] <hateball> where pepperflashplugin-nonfree is for chromium only
[10:36] <waleed> hey
[10:36] <invariant1729> ducasse: I am here --- software and updates --> Other Software. Now what should I do?
[10:36] <waleed> can someone tell me where to install programs on backbox ?
[10:36] <cfhowlett> !backbox | waleed
[10:37] <waleed> uninstall
[10:37] <waleed> okay
[10:42] <ducasse> invariant1729: there should be a checkbox to enable partner repo somewhere
[10:42] <invariant1729> ducasse: yeah, I did that.
[10:43] <ducasse> invariant1729: ok, then close that dialog, run apt update and install the package
[10:44] <invariant1729> ducasse: yeah, I did that. It worked :)
[10:45] <invariant1729> ducasse: flash player is installed. But the site still can't detect it. I restarted the browser too.
[10:47] <ducasse> invariant1729: can't help you there, i don't use flash.
[10:47] <invariant1729> ducasse: ok, no problem.
[10:51] <hateball> invariant1729: is it detected here http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[10:52] <invariant1729> hateball: How do I know whether it is detected at that link?
[10:53] <hateball> invariant1729: some animation should play, and your version info should be noted in a box
[10:54] <hateball> also I think flash is click to run by default, click the (i) in the omnibar to see what settings are for Flash
[10:54] <hateball> some pages dont play nice with click-to-run
[10:54] <invariant1729> hateball: No animation and that box just shows a default image. Nothing more
[10:57] <tomreyn> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/npapi-plugins
[10:57] <tomreyn> in case you use firefox
[10:59] <invariant1729> hateball: It gets detected for firefox but not working for chromium
[11:01] <hateball> invariant1729: make sure you really restarted chromium tho, it likes to linger in the background if you have various apps installed
[11:01] <hateball> (unless you configure it to cut that out)
[11:02] <invariant1729> hateball: I checked by clicking (i) too in the omnibar and its enabled to be detected by default
[11:02] <invariant1729> hateball: I restarted and checked before. I'll do it again as you say.
[11:04] <hateball> invariant1729: oh if you have the option of flash then it should be detected properly. try setting the option to "allow" and refresh the page
[11:07] <invariant1729> hateball: tried that too. Didn't work.
[11:07] <invariant1729> maybe it's because of the package
[11:07] <invariant1729> maybe I should try pepperflash that works for chromium specifically
[11:07] <hateball> well, I'm using it myself so it should work
[11:08] <hateball> invariant1729: sure, that works as well. you dont want to have both packages installed tho
[11:08] <hateball> so remove the adobe one first
[11:08] <invariant1729> hateball: ok
[11:17] <marekw2143> hello
[11:18] <marekw2143> anybody knows how to install monoDevelop 6 on ubuntu from package ?
[11:19] <ducasse> marekw2143: look for a ppa
[11:21] <invariant1729> hateball: hey, I restarted my system. Now it works in chromium as well.
[11:23] <marekw2143> ducasse, how about using flatpak ?
[11:24] <ducasse> marekw2143: much the same thing, as it would be a third party package
[11:25] <marekw2143> I'm just wondering if ppa's are safe
[11:25] <ducasse> !ppa
[11:26] <marekw2143> ducasse, ok, but how can I verify if package is worth trying ?
[11:26] <ducasse> marekw2143: by trying it
[11:26] <marekw2143> okok
[11:26] <marekw2143> but I'm wondering about security issues
[11:26] <marekw2143> that someone will just store a backdoor in such app
[11:27] <invariant1729> !addppa
[11:27] <ducasse> marekw2143: yes, it's at your own risk, so you need to decide that
[11:27] <invariant1729> !ppa-purge
[11:31] <hateball> invariant1729: so probably you had not killed all instanced of chromium before
[11:32] <invariant1729> hateball: I restarted chromium twice. But it didn't work. Finally, when I restarted my system, it worked. Probably, you're right :)
[11:33] <mikaop> anyone knows what could be the cause of ls a folder and keep not responding?
[11:33] <mikaop> i do:
[11:33] <hateball> invariant1729: as I said, chromium likes to keep background process. you cant just judge it by closing the window
[11:34] <mikaop> $ cd dir; ls
[11:34] <cfhowlett> mikaop, cuz the correct command is ls -a
[11:34] <mikaop> cfhowlett: i get same result
[11:35] <invariant1729> hateball: yeah
[11:35] <hateball> mikaop: does your user have permissions to read this directory?
[11:35] <ducasse> mikaop: anything in dmesg?
[11:36] <mikaop> hateball: i'm root and i want to look user folder
[11:36] <mikaop> ducasse: nothing strange
[11:37] <hateball> mikaop: and the user folder isnt encrypted?
[11:37] <mikaop> hateball: not encrypted :(
[11:37] <rdanter> mikaop: is dir on NFS?
[11:38] <mikaop> rdanter: yeah, i was thinking on this. inside this folder i have a shared dir by nfs
[11:38] <rdanter> could be NFS server is not responding
[11:38] <ducasse> mikaop: that is something you should probably have mentioned
[11:39] <mikaop> ducasse: sorry XD
[11:40] <mikaop> i'm looking for restart nfs server. i installed nfs-common package
[11:42] <rdanter> nfs-common is fine for client, nfs-kernel-server is prob what you want on the server
[11:42] <malin_> #ubuntu
[11:42] <malin_> can anyone help me?
[11:42] <malin_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43781551/ubuntu-ng-commands-wont-work   can anyone help me why angular cli wont work on ubuntu?
[11:43] <rdanter> mikaop: you can try: sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart
[11:44] <mikaop> i do not have this package
[11:44] <trickster> hello
[11:45] <malin_> Failed to restart nfs-kernel-server.service: Unit nfs-kernel-server.service not found.
[11:45] <malin_> any idea?:P
[11:46] <ducasse> malin_: yes, wrong nick :-P
[11:46] <mikaop> i have nfsiod and nfsv4.0-svc  processes running
[11:46] <rdanter> mikaop: you'd only have that package on the server, client doesn't need it, you could try to umount and then mount the nfs dir again on client side
[11:47] <mikaop> rdanter: but this shared dir is inside the problematic dir
[11:47] <malin_> Im sorry, i dont know what you mean.  i followed the tutorial for the angular.-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/angular-cli
[11:47] <malin_> currently its located in /root/app/ trying to run it from here
[11:47] <mikaop> rdanter: umount.nfs: /home/moving/Share: device is busy
[11:47] <mgor> malin_, npm -g installs a symbolic link for the binaries in /usr/local/bin, check your PATH (echo $PATH) to make sure that it's included
[11:47] <ducasse> malin_: the nfs suggestion wasn't for you, read it again. sorry, don't know about angular.
[11:48] <malin_> npm install -g angular-cli that should be global hmm.
[11:48] <mikaop> oh yeah umount -l worked
[11:48] <rdanter> mikaop: can the user access this dir?
[11:49] <malin_> yes
[11:49] <predatorboy> hi guy im new in linux
[11:49] <malin_> currently i tried to move the dir to root, and enter it there, same issue there.
[11:49] <mikaop> rdanter: now yes. before it can't because of the shared dir is just inside the home folder
[11:49] <lmllmmmklm> hi
[11:49] <malin_> using root admin.
[11:49] <rdanter> mikaop: so all good now?
[11:50] <predatorboy> can u help me with ssh connection
[11:50] <cfhowlett> malin_, you're logged in as root?  inadvisable
[11:50] <lmllmmmklm> help me
[11:50] <cfhowlett> !help | lmllmmmklm
[11:50] <lmllmmmklm> how to run and config DNS server on ubuntu?
[11:50] <predatorboy> ok
[11:50] <predatorboy> what is topic
[11:51] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support, predatorboy
[11:51] <mikaop> rdanter: yes, but this problem raises when i'm doing one thing that involves the shared dir
[11:51] <hateball> lmllmmmklm: apt install bind9, then read the man-pages
[11:51] <rdanter> mikaop: what one thing is that?
[11:51] <lmllmmmklm> thx
[11:52] <malin_> all i got from the server management is username root and a password to manage the server cfhowlett
[11:53] <mikaop> rdanter: well, i have one pc that shares the dir with another pcs. I broadcast a ssh command that executes vrjuggler using this dir
[11:53] <mikaop> rdanter: but for some reason this problematic pc gets in that state...
[11:55] <rdanter> I don't know anything about vrjuggler, sorry
[11:55] <rdanter> but check the server logs to see if there are any errors/warnings there
[11:56] <rdanter> and check the /etc/exports to make sure you have the right permissions allowed for the client
[11:58] <Bitnova> Hi, say i want to make a backup script similar to this: https://pastebin.com/wBt3GxcA   To backup each app separately, but many apps, each one having their own code and paths to be backed up. And then finally to backup everything at once. How would i go about this the simplest way? Should there be a separate function for each app backup process and call each one? and then duplicate all functions into one function to backup everything at once? hope
[11:58] <Bitnova> someone can give me some insight on this
[11:59] <scottjl> Bitnova: kiss. back up each app separately. that way you can add/remove apps as easily as enabling/disabling one script.
[12:00] <scottjl> Bitnova: kiss = keep it simple silly
[12:00] <Bitnova> scottjl, thank you
[12:00] <scottjl> just my not so humble opinion
[12:02] <mikaop> rdanter: where are nfs logs? XD
[12:04] <hoijui_> i asked something earlier, and then was AFK, and now discovered that my IRC client only keeps the last 500 lines ;-) can anyone with more history tell me if i got a response?
[12:05] <cfhowlett> hoijui_, restate your question with clarity and precision
[12:05] <rdanter> mikaop: look in /var/log/*
[12:05] <hoijui_> in a normal bash session, i can run `espeak "Hello"`, but the cronjob '* * * * * /usr/bin/espeak "Hello"' does not do what i want. why is that, and how can i "fix" this?
[12:06] <hoijui_> i assume, it is an issue with rights or unset variables or something like that. i have the same problem with all other GUI/X related scripts
[12:06] <mclaren2> hey
[12:07] <mclaren2> okay then
[12:09] <ioria> hoijui_, * * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 ; espeak "hello"
[12:09] <spider_x> Hey guys, I am trying to install ubuntu, however I think my GPU driver is not compatible or something since it causes some odd graphical errors right after grub
[12:10] <spider_x> so I am trying to boot it using nomodeset however, that just results in a purple screen after grub
[12:10] <cfhowlett> spider_x, what kind of graphical errors?
[12:11] <ioria> spider_x, and what kind of gpu ?
[12:11] <mikaop> rdanter: don't worry :) if i find the solution i will put here
[12:11] <spider_x> hard to describe but looks very glithcy, on top is a row of colored squares
[12:11] <mikaop> rdanter: thanks for your help!
[12:11] <spider_x> I talked too soon guys, after 5 min it decided to boot in with nomodeset
[12:11] <cfhowlett> another happy customer ...
[12:11] <spider_x> I have a GTX 970
[12:12] <rdanter> mikaop: you're welcome, good luck!
[12:12] <ioria> spider_x,  using default nouveau driver ?
[12:13] <hoijui_> ioria, wooooo!! :D nice, thanks!
[12:13] <ioria> hoijui_,  you're welcm
[12:13] <spider_x> I think so ioria I am switching it now, since that driver usually causes the issue I am having
[12:14] <spider_x> I just needed the nomodeset so I can get into the desktop and change the driver
[12:14] <hoijui_> :-)
[12:14] <ioria> spider_x,  if you can login in gui, try Additional Driver, and install nvidia, if it fails , purge it and try the ppa
[12:15] <spider_x> Yea, doing that currently.
[12:21] <implite> predatorboy: !help
[12:22] <AdamH_> Good afternoon, daft question but how do I rotate the screen to portrait under mir? specifically I am looking to set the screen to portrait in mir-kiosk on Ubuntu Core
[12:22] <implite> !mir
[12:23] <implite> !mir-kiosk
[12:25] <implite> I think im the only person running league of legends on ubuntu today
[12:25] <Bliepo> Hello, I have a question concerning the use of zram. I am in a situation where the machine (which is attached to an ultrasound probe) recieves *massive* amounts of data (it fills 12 GB of RAM in about 30 seconds). Right now the machine is running Widows 7, but I figured installing Ubuntu and using zram might be handy to increase the effective amount of RAM.
[12:25] <Bliepo> The question is: how fast is compression with zram?
[12:25] <scottjl> zram is junk.
[12:26] <scottjl> you'd be far better off buying actual ram
[12:26] <implite> !ssh | predatorboy
[12:26] <Bliepo> scottjl: unfortunately, I can't buy more RAM
[12:28] <scottjl> zram is essentially compressed swap in ram. how much compression/performance you're going to get is going to depend on your data.
[12:28] <scottjl> but it's certainly a hit over real ram.
[12:29] <scottjl> zram was all the rage years ago. but i don't know anyone who uses it any longer.
[12:29] <scottjl> maybe someone else here thinks differently
[12:29] <Sparrow__> Real ram all the way
[12:29] <cfhowlett> there is no substitute
[12:29] <Bliepo> scottjl: I just read zram uses lzo by default and since I have data I can benchmark :-)
[12:30] <Sparrow__> writing 24 gigs a minute will be interesting
[12:31] <scottjl> i would think performance would be on-par with a windows 7 box. but only you testing with your data can provide actual numbers.
[12:31] <implite> !zram
[12:32] <Bliepo> Well, thanks for the help. I'll do a bit more research into the cons and pros of zRAM to see if it is indeed useful.
[12:32] <scottjl> good luck
[12:32] <implite> I like to use ramdisks
[12:32] <implite> very very fast with some games
[12:32] <scottjl> zram isn't a typical ramdisk though
[12:33] <juniorlinuxx> rm *
[12:35] <pynki> you should think about your code if you fill 12gb ram in a minute with data
[12:38] <Sparrow__> There is no time to compress that much data on the fly
[12:41] <pynki> just dump it to a disk. running windows 7 lets me assume that the data is not used in any realtime analyzing or stuff that is time critical.
[12:42] <scottjl> you might end up with better performance if you could add a ssd and dump straight to that.
[12:46] <Bliepo> LZO increases the size of my data instead of compressing it :'(
[12:46] <Bliepo> Well, seems zram is a no go then
[12:46] <rdanter> what about compressing in the application itself?
[12:47] <pynki> Bliepo, why not just dump it and then running another process to compress it?
[12:48] <pynki> why the data needs to be in the ram?
[12:48] <rory> Can I verify that rsyslog forwarding is working correctly? I'm sending very large volumes of logs and the people at the other end are saying they're only recieving 50% of what they are expecting
[12:48] <Bliepo> Because the company that made the software for this scanner made it in MATLAB and there is no support for dumping it real time :(
[12:49] <pynki> Blibo, what device is it? have a link?
[12:50] <Bliepo> It is called Verasonics Vantage, but you'll find very little info, since most of it is confidential
[12:50] <thyriaen> Hi, i wanna run my 2560x1440 (16:9) Monitor with 640x480 resolution stretched onto the screen with black borders on the side so the image keeps the aspect ratio ( However currently it just stretched the 640x480 pixels over the entire screen )
[12:51] <Bliepo> Basic idea is that its an ultrasound machine + PC + MATLAB, so one can do data processing of the ultrasound data in MATLAB, with custom algorithms
[12:51] <Bliepo> Meant for research mainly
[12:51] <scottjl> is your scanner even going to work with ubuntu?
[12:51] <Bliepo> Yes, they support linux
[12:51] <rdanter> can you read from the ultrasound without matlab, then load it into matlab later?
[12:52] <Bliepo> Nope, you have to run the scanner from within MATLAB (since they use MEX files to implement)
[12:52] <Bliepo> Closed source off course
[12:52] <rdanter> pity
[12:52] <Bliepo> Yup
[12:53] <Bliepo> But it seems the raw data doesn't compress anyhow
[12:53] <Bliepo> Even LZMA2 does not compress it when set to ultra
[12:53] <pynki> Bliepo, use this thing too: Vantage Host Controller?
[12:54] <Bliepo> If I remember correctly, the Vantage Host controller is the pcie module they use to connect the scanner hardware to the pc
[12:55] <pynki> The Vantage system includes a powerful host controller workstation that has been optimized to provide the best performance with your Vantage system.  It comes with a custom BIOS, installed Verasonics software including HAL, VSX, firmware and drivers; PCI express host adapter, MATLAB software, and over 100 example scripts.
[12:55] <Bliepo> Ah yes
[12:55] <Bliepo> The host controller is the workstation/pc
[12:55] <pynki> i do not knwo what they put inside the box - but if you fill 12gb in a minute...
[12:55] <pynki> and there is no way to dump the data...
[12:56] <pynki> what i want to say: there must be a way to dump the data
[12:56] <scottjl> what's the issue here? it's not scanning fast enough? shouldn't you be going back to the software provider?
[12:56] <Sparrow__> I think he is trying to make an improvement
[12:57] <Bliepo> Well, the data is int16 (so 2 bytes), with 128 channels and 4 samples per wave. If you image 30 wavelengths deep, at 1200 frames/sec you fill 2*128*4*30*1200 = 35 MB/s
[12:57] <Sparrow__> Manageable
[12:57] <Bliepo> Oh
[12:58] <Bliepo> It seems I made an error in my calculation earlier
[12:58] <pynki> Sparrow__, if he can store it somewhere
[12:58] <Sparrow__> He just saw his error
[12:58] <pynki> or use it on the fly
[12:58] <Bliepo> I missed a zero after a comma (a)
[12:58] <Bliepo> Well
[12:58] <Bliepo> I better get back to work
[12:58] <pynki> :D
[12:59] <Sparrow__> Mice meeting you
[12:59] <scottjl> good luck
[12:59] <Sparrow__> N
[12:59] <Bliepo> Thanks!
[12:59] <Bliepo> Bye!
[12:59] <aceventura> hey is intel m-core and snapdragon and mediatek the only people manufacturing chips for all those smartphones
[12:59] <pynki> just read the product site :D he should run it with 100k frames/s
[12:59] <pynki> aceventura, no
[12:59] <cfhowlett> nothing to do with ubuntu aceventura .  perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:00] <zap0> Qualcomm
[13:01] <aceventura> cfhowlett...well it does have something to do with ubuntu...as i am looking for a set of drivers that will work with spflasher on wine
[13:01] <Sparrow__> Wine has a channel too
[13:02] <mclaren2> im having issues with ubuntu connecting to ethernet
[13:02] <aceventura> well i already mentioned qualcomm when i mentioned the high-end snapdragon chips
[13:03] <aceventura> and the low budget mediatek chips...and i am not sure how intel m-core is going to take on this market
[13:03] <predatorboy> xlt
[13:03] <predatorboy> bjr
[13:04] <pynki> mclaren2, what is the issue?
[13:04] <mclaren2> so ubuntu doesnt actually connect
[13:04] <mclaren2> it recognizes the cable
[13:04] <mclaren2> but it doesnt connect
[13:05] <pynki> mclaren2, static ip config or dhcp?
[13:05] <mclaren2> dhcp
[13:05] <aceventura> mclern2...no the spflash reads the scatter file on wine but the drivers for the ports refuse to install on wine
[13:05] <pynki> dhcp server is running?
[13:05] <mclaren2> yes
[13:05] <mclaren2> but the thing is
[13:06] <pynki> aceventura, dont expect device drivers to work on wine :o
[13:06] <aceventura> pynki...yes it is a major flaw
[13:06] <mclaren2> but here's the biggest catch 22 man
[13:07] <mclaren2> for me to install the drivers, the thing has to be working
[13:07] <pynki> aceventura, use a vm and pass the device to it
[13:07] <rdanter> aceventura: sounds like you need a VM, not WINE
[13:07] <aceventura> pynki...i don't have a clue how to use a vm
[13:07] <rdanter> virtualbox is pretty easy to set up
[13:08] <aceventura> pynki ..all i know is the damn xp wont boot on this junkpile intel hardware
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:09] <pynki> aceventura, install virtualbox, virtualbox guest additions and virtualbox guest extensions. dont use the versions that comes with ubuntu. download all the stuff from the oracle page: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads, get you windows iso, insert it into the "cd drive" of the created vm and there you go
[13:09] <pynki> the rest is google
[13:09] <pynki> ;)
[13:10] <aceventura> pynki...i don't have a windows iso...if i did i would just reinstall windows...all i have is a ghost backup of xp that was from a computer far away
[13:10] <aceventura> pynki...but the damn xp is not robust to hardware changes
[13:10] <pynki> no it is not
[13:11] <pynki> its out of support since - i dont know - late 90's
[13:12] <rdanter> maybe you can find a CD on ebay
[13:12] <pynki> you need win xp?
[13:12] <aceventura> pynki...yea well some people don't mind paying $100 for a windows os when they use it to manufacture soc ships and smarphones for milllions of dollars of returns on their $100 os investment...but some of us don't have that kind of money coming in and can only get some free os working with junkpile hardware....but the damn programs necessary to repair the phones are all windows based
[13:12] <pynki> 7,8,10 comes free as images for virtualbox here: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/
[13:13] <cfhowlett> free from xindows dev iirc
[13:13] <mclaren2> i once got a windows 7 cd on ebay, and when i put it in the disk drive it turned out to be windows 95
[13:13] <loskutak> Hi, the 'swapoff -a' command runs insanely slow and from what I have found on the internet, it is due to the superslow implementation in kernel. Does any of you have some alternative way to move swap back to RAM fast? It would help me quite a lot. Thanks!
[13:14] <aceventura> mclaren2...well i dont' have an address...so ebay, amazon, all that jazz is out of the questtion
[13:14] <mclaren2> do you live in the woods or something
[13:15] <aceventura> mclaren2..yes the Boondocks...appropriately named after someone called Daniel
[13:15] <mclaren2> oh nice man
[13:15] <YankDownUnder> Must be Kentucky (stir stir stir)
[13:15] <mclaren2> i've heard all evil people come from kentucky.
[13:16] <aceventura> mclaren2...and i don't have an  address because the goddamn tax authorities taxed away the house that my mother lived in
[13:16] <mclaren2> oh thats sad
[13:16] <pynki> aceventura, getting a windows running will take you 5 minutes on the internet to find the iso to download, 10 minutes to find a valid key and 20 to install... even if you live in kentucky
[13:16] <YankDownUnder> Look for "Windows XP Pro BE" online...easy enough to find, cough cough, wink wink
[13:17] <aceventura> pynki...not on this junkpile hardware...the sons of bitches only included one sata cable...so you can have an old hdisk or a cdrom but not both to transfer files from one to the other
[13:17] <pynki> no usb?
[13:17] <Vegerot> YankDownUnder: That's *cough* piracy *cough* no really I don't care
[13:17] <aceventura> pynki...well only stupid usb support...the floppy and hdmedia but no usb cdrom support
[13:18] <mclaren2> where did u even buy that ace
[13:18] <aceventura> pynki..you don't get very much useable stuff in the junkpiles
[13:18] <RetSam> howdy
[13:19] <aceventura> pynki...the greedy bastards want a lot of money for their working stuff
[13:19] <pynki> aceventura, but its working :D
[13:19] <Vegerot> RetSam: Hey Hey
[13:19] <aceventura> pynki..no only the ghost backup of stretch is working
[13:19] <aceventura> pynki..but not xp
[13:19] <mclaren2> man
[13:19] <mclaren2> only if this driver thing worked
[13:20] <aceventura> the damn microsoft stuff is not robust to hardware changes
[13:20] <pynki> install virtualbox and downlaod on of the images the lik i posted provides
[13:20] <hateball> Is any of this Ubuntu related at all?
[13:20] <Vegerot> hateball: No.
[13:20] <RetSam> lol
[13:20] <mclaren2> lol
[13:20] <Vegerot> lol
[13:20] <mclaren2> FUCK ubuntu im going back to windows me
[13:20] <one801> 嗨
[13:21] <aceventura> hateball..yes i am looking for a spflasher program with vcomm device drivers or cdc device drivers to fix a damn broken telephone
[13:21] <Vegerot> mclaren2: not cool
[13:21] <cfhowlett> mclaren2, drop the profanity
[13:21] <aceventura> hateball that will work on a debian based ubuntu
[13:21] <xiouluo> 额
[13:21] <juanonymous> calm down mclaren2
[13:21] <one801> 收到了吗
[13:21] <mclaren2> man
[13:21] <mclaren2> only if this worked
[13:21] <cfhowlett> !cn one801 xiouluo
[13:22] <cfhowlett> !cn | one801 xiouluo
[13:23] <ngee> bot
[13:23] <Vegerot> aceventura: how about ubuntu based deb- Actually I'm not even going to try that joke...
[13:23] <bo`> mclaren2: what is your driver issue?
[13:24] <mclaren2> so im trying to install drivers for AR8161 (ethernet controller)
[13:24] <mclaren2> and i downloaded them, and when i try to make
[13:24] <mclaren2> it says
[13:24] <mclaren2> '"ERROR: compat-drivers by defualt supports kernels >= 2.6.24, try enabling only one driver though" Stop.
[13:25] <mclaren2> even though my kernel is 4.8.0
[13:25] <bo`> hmmm, you downloaded from where?
[13:25] <Sparrow__> mclaren2, Atheros ?
[13:26] <aceventura> lets see i guess that is spelled Boonedocks...named after Daniel
[13:26] <mclaren2> yes
[13:26] <bo`> Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[13:26] <Sparrow__> mclaren2, I just change quiet and splash to nohwcrypt=1
[13:26] <Vegerot> ^this
[13:26] <Sparrow__> Does not work on atheros 9
[13:27] <Sparrow__> 10 or above, sorry
[13:27] <mclaren2> okay
[13:27] <aceventura> and the goddamn australians and canadian fuckin turds would not accept migrant doctors looking for jobs in another country
[13:27] <Sparrow__> aceventura, please stop
[13:27] <mclaren2> lol ace
[13:27] <cfhowlett> aceventura, no profanity in this channel.  stop now.
[13:28] <mclaren2> wait wait Sparrow__
[13:28] <Vegerot> When was gogeta last in?
[13:28] <Sparrow__> im here
[13:28] <mclaren2> are you saying that i cannot run ubuntu anymore
[13:28] <cfhowlett> Vegerot, topic here is ubuntu support.  please stay on topic
[13:28] <Sparrow__> me.. no
[13:28] <mclaren2> because of the goddamn atheros driver
[13:29] <Sparrow__> me.. no just suggesting you try the nohwcrypt=1 or tyrn off encryption in your router to test
[13:29] <pynki> mclaren2, the alx driver should be in the ubuntu kernel
[13:29] <Vegerot> cfhowlett: I'm just asking because gogeta is good with this stuff
[13:30] <bo`> mclaren2: have you seen this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
[13:30] <mclaren2> it isnt pynki
[13:30] <pynki> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=yakkety&arch=amd64&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=alx.ko
[13:30] <mclaren2> yes i have seen that
[13:31] <mclaren2> wait dont talk to me for 10 minute
[13:31] <bo`> i'd try the second answer
[13:31] <bo`> on that page
[13:31] <pynki> /lib/modules/4.8.0-22-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx/alx.ko 	linux-image-extra-4.8.0-22-generic
[13:33] <bo`> mclaren2: because you shouldn't have to compile an old network driver :\
[13:34] <pynki> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70761 , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1251434
[13:34] <pynki> may help
[13:35] <bo`> ohh nice find
[13:39] <velo-alien> question: on my Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 install, "Alt+Right" and "Alt+Left" sometimes move to first TTY and the lock screen, respectively. Is there any way to change or disable this behavior? It's colliding with a necessary keybinding in Emacs.
[13:40] <bo`> velo-alien: there's certainly a way to change that
[13:41] <mclaren2> ok hello
[13:41] <bo`> velo-alien: i have no idea how though, sorry
[13:41] <bo`> velo-alien: gnome settings somewhere, i'd guess
[13:41] <bo`> hey mclaren2
[13:41] <velo-alien> ok. It doesn't seem to be changeable through tweak-tool or the default system settings app,
[13:41] <mclaren2> hey
[13:41] <mclaren2> so bo
[13:41] <mclaren2> can u tell me how to correctly install those drivers
[13:42] <bo`> pfff i can only try
[13:42] <mclaren2> ok
[13:42] <mclaren2> try to tell me
[13:42] <velo-alien> I'll have to look up a gconf / dconf thing, I'm assuming?
[13:42] <bo`> pynki showed that there may be bugs that prevent your driver from working in new kernel
[13:43] <mclaren2> aw goddamnit
[13:43] <mclaren2> so there really is no way out?
[13:43] <mclaren2> except getting windows
[13:43] <pynki> bo`, they should be fixed in >4.7
[13:43] <pynki> ne said 4.8 i think
[13:43] <mclaren2> yes
[13:43] <pynki> https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/alx might work
[13:43] <pynki> tried their way of installing?
[13:43] <mclaren2> yes
[13:43] <mclaren2> i did exactly that
[13:44] <pynki> ok. you are sure the driver is not present on you system at all? using a custom kernel?
[13:45] <mclaren2> nope
[13:45] <mclaren2> but i am sure the driver isn't present
[13:45] <mclaren2> is there a way to check?
[13:45] <bo`> velo-alien: i don't know, but it's either an issue with the gnome environment or possibly your keyboard (if an unusual keyboard)
[13:46] <pynki> mclaren: sudo apt-get install locate, sudo updatedb, sudo locate 'alx'
[13:47] <pynki> mclaren2,
[13:47] <mclaren2> mmm
[13:47] <mclaren2> how can i install that when the connection isnt working lol
[13:47] <mclaren2> catch 22
[13:47] <pynki> mclaren2, you are running 16.10 or later?
[13:47] <hateball> mclaren2: modinfo alx
[13:47] <mclaren2> 16.04
[13:47] <hateball> if the driver is present, info will show
[13:47] <pynki> http://techqa.info/ubuntu/question/881479/install-atheros-e2600-drivers
[13:48] <mclaren2> guess it's present
[13:48] <hateball> mclaren2: and you cant "sudo modprobe alx" ?
[13:48] <pynki> sure it is if its a 4.8 kernel ;)
[13:48] <mclaren2> it does nothing.
[13:48] <hateball> it shouldnt return anything if it works
[13:48] <mclaren2> yeah returns nothing
[13:49] <hateball> mclaren2: "lspci -k" to see if the driver is loaded
[13:49] <hateball> for your chipset in question
[13:50] <aceventura> well i don't know how long this old car battery with some electolyte fluid is going to last for this junk hardware so i will try looking around...but most people in these boonedocks have never even heard of a sata cable.
[13:51] <pynki> aceventura, just solder copper cables to the pins...
[13:51] <aceventura> and the greedy pimps for foreign business around here want a lot of money for anything that works
[13:52] <aceventura> there is a lot of jap/nazi dick suckin trash everywhere that all want to drive toyota, mitsubishi, isuzu trucks and ride on mercedez benz marco polo busses and volksbusses.
[13:53] <bonsaitree> What is this: OTR: Error saving instance tags: No such file or directory (gcrypt)
[13:53] <bonsaitree> * Received a CTCP VERSION from tro
[13:53] <bonsaitree> * Received a CTCP TIME from tro
[13:53] <bonsaitree> ?
[13:54] <bo`> bonsaitree: where do you get that error?
[13:54] <Pencil2> how many times can I try a password for sudo before it locks me out ?
[13:55] <Pencil2> I can't remember my sudo.  Whaaa
[13:55] <bonsaitree> bo`, It was written on the channel
[13:55] <aredpanda`w> i don't think it locks you out. It just limits your consecutive tries.
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !password | Pencil2 please read
[13:55] <aredpanda`w> Pencil2^
[13:55] <bo`> bonsaitree: i do not understand
[13:56] <bonsaitree> bo`, <aceventura> and the greedy pimps for foreign business around here want a lot of money for anything that works
[13:56] <bonsaitree> * emerick has quit (Changing host)
[13:56] <bonsaitree> * emerick (~emerick@gandi/mz) has joined
[13:56] <bonsaitree>  OTR: Error saving instance tags: No such file or directory (gcrypt)
[13:56] <bonsaitree> * Received a CTCP VERSION from tro
[13:56] <bonsaitree> * Received a CTCP TIME from tro
[13:57] <aredpanda`w> hexchat does that
[13:57] <aredpanda`w> ahah
[13:57] <bo`> ok yea apparently that is your IRC client
[13:57] <bo`> probably harmless
[13:59] <bonsaitree> Someone else is experiencing problems with the network connection on 17.04? I get frequent drops since i upgraded to 17.04, maybe 5-6 a day. The connection drops, and it stays like that, the browser says there is no internet connection. I have to restart the network-manager, in order to have internet access again.
[14:00] <hateball> bonsaitree: I am sure someone else does. If you detail what chipset/driver you're using it may be even easier to find out for sure
[14:00] <bonsaitree> Intel Advanced-N 6200, iwlwifi
[14:05] <mclaren> lol hateball
[14:07] <hateball> mclaren: ?
[14:07] <pynki> bonsaitree, the internet is full of 17.04/networkmanager issues
[14:07] <mclaren> i am screwed you know
[14:07] <pynki> i think we tested them all the last days?
[14:07] <mclaren> im on 16.04
[14:08] <pynki> so just loading the driver did not work mclaren ?
[14:08] <mclaren> no
[14:08] <mclaren> i am skrood
[14:08] <hateball> mclaren: well you never replied when I asked about "lspci -k"
[14:08] <pynki> you checked out hte last link i posted, mclaren ?
[14:08] <mclaren> yes
[14:08] <mclaren> hateball i must've timed out
[14:09] <mclaren> 2:00.0 Ethernet controller:Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
[14:09] <mclaren> Kernel driver in use: alx
[14:09] <mclaren> Kernel modules: alx
[14:09] <mclaren> so it does seem to be loaded
[14:10] <pynki> mclaren, lspci -nn
[14:10] <mclaren> ok
[14:10] <mclaren> btw im putting my root folder in dev/null
[14:11] <pynki> is it [1969:e0b1]?
[14:11] <mclaren> wait
[14:11] <mclaren> its [1969:1091]
[14:11] <hateball> mclaren: right, so now you need to bring the interface up
[14:11] <hateball> since the driver is loaded
[14:11] <mclaren> interface file?
[14:12] <mclaren> ok done
[14:12] <pynki> getting an ip?
[14:12] <yossarianuk> hi - how do people deal with mdraid and the EFI partition using ubuntu ?
[14:12] <mclaren> from what
[14:12] <skinux> Why are my file permissions for directory under /var/www/html suddenly a bunch of question marks?
[14:12] <pynki> you dhcp sevrer
[14:13] <hateball> !who | mclaren
[14:13] <pynki> skinux, copied the folder from another amchijne?
[14:13] <yossarianuk> is it just the case I can use metadata-1.0 and it will work ?
[14:13] <mclaren> no pynki
[14:13] <skinux> Nope.
[14:13] <mclaren> ok its open hateball
[14:13] <pynki> skinux, can you set them by hand?
[14:13] <skinux> I tried setting them, it didn't have any effect.
[14:14] <hateball> mclaren: open? does that mean that if you run "ip link show $interface" it shows link?
[14:14] <skinux> Doesn't even have user or group settings
[14:14] <mclaren> so i have to type that string in interface?
[14:14] <mclaren> or terminal
[14:14] <mati> Hi, How can I check cpu frequency when I play in any game?
[14:14] <mclaren> hateball
[14:14] <bo`> mclaren: mclaren terminal
[14:15] <capum321> hello
[14:15] <mclaren> there we go
[14:15] <mclaren> no link
[14:15] <capum321> in mate, how to disable automatic mounting? is it dconf or caja?
[14:15] <skinux> What the hell did Ubuntu do? https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/a9de3adc4428103df150478f0f85dffc#file-output
[14:15] <bo`> mati: psensor will show you CPU usage, idk how to see frequency
[14:15] <pynki> skinux, https://www.bentasker.co.uk/documentation/linux/302-ls-l-shows-question-marks-instead-of-permissions
[14:15] <hateball> mclaren: just run "ip link show" in a terminal
[14:16] <hateball> mclaren: it should show all your interfaces and their statuses
[14:16] <mclaren> yes
[14:16] <mclaren> it shows lo and enp2s0
[14:16] <mclaren> nothing else
[14:17] <mati> bo`:  I had a Psensor but it's doesn't work for me, this only show me a temperature min and max. I use gnome desktop and have a little problem to set up all to be similar experience like on kde
[14:17] <hateball> mclaren: sudo ip link set enp2s0 up
[14:18] <mclaren> ok done hateball
[14:18] <PuffTheMagic> i have no clock in gnome on ubuntu 17.10, fairly fresh install, am I missing a package or is this a bug?
[14:18] <yossarianuk> has anyone here used mdraid with EFI ?
[14:19] <pynki> yossarianuk, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1228360
[14:19] <hateball> mclaren: ip address show
[14:19] <pynki> ohh, thats years old. sorry :D
[14:19] <hateball> mclaren: if dhcp is working, you should have an IP noted as 'inet xxxx"
[14:20] <mclaren> ok let me see
[14:20] <mclaren> yes
[14:20] <mclaren> i have that hateball
[14:20] <bo`> mati: you want to see CPU usage? it's not in psensor, perhaps near the bottom?
[14:20] <PuffTheMagic> thanks
[14:20] <hateball> mclaren: right, then you have a working ethernet connection
[14:20] <mclaren> yeah
[14:21] <mclaren> hateball: please save me
[14:21] <bo`> mclaren: your internet works now?
[14:21] <mclaren> no bo`
[14:21] <mclaren> lol
[14:21] <db`> hey ppl
[14:21] <hateball> mclaren: can you ping 8.8.8.8
[14:22] <mclaren> i cant ping my own ip
[14:22] <mclaren> yeah destination host unreachable hateball
[14:22] <hateball> mclaren: what ip did you get for the interface?
[14:22] <pynki> mclaren, what ip do you have?
[14:22] <mclaren> public or?
[14:22] <db`> I setup PPTP VPN on a KVM machine running Ubuntu 16.04. When I use the VPN from my PC, it routes only TCP connections and not UDP ones through it..
[14:22] <bo`> mclaren, you can terminal 'ip addr'
[14:22] <db`> any clue what's wrong?
[14:22] <pynki> the one the interface has you just bgrought "upo" mclaren
[14:23] <mati> bo`:  I installed cpu-frequency-indicator to set up cpu use for high performance but in game I'm still have pure performance
[14:23] <sam_wong> Hi, does the command "lshal" work on ubuntu 17.04?
[14:23] <mclaren> 169.254.10.181
[14:23] <mclaren> pynki and hateball
[14:23] <pynki> db` forget to open the firewall for udp?
[14:23] <db`> I setup the same PPTP VPN on an OPENVZ instance running Ubntu, and it works fine by routing all traffic thought it.
[14:23] <hateball> mclaren: that means you havent got an IP from dhcp
[14:23] <db`> pynki:I guess all ports are already open.
[14:23] <hateball> mclaren: try "sudo dhclient enp2s0
[14:23] <mclaren> so what does it mean hateball
[14:24] <db`> pynki:Could you pls give me a hint on checking it?
[14:24] <mclaren> hateball: in network manager i see that the ethernet device isnt even managed
[14:25] <bo`> mati: cpu indicator will not improve performance, only show what performance you already have
[14:25] <pynki> db` https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[14:25] <db`> pynki:They are all open.
[14:25] <pynki> ok
[14:25] <bo`> mati: maybe i misunderstand, sorry
[14:25] <mclaren> and hateball when i see connection information it says no valid active connections found
[14:26] <bo`> mati: i do not use Gnome Desktop, i would just use psensor to graph 'CPU usage'.
[14:26] <mclaren> hateball: im gonna reset my router real quick
[14:27] <db`> pynki:I'm using iptables btw. ufw is disabled
[14:28] <db`> is there any way to activate PPP in KVM? Like we do in solusVM for openVZ?
[14:31] <mclaren> ok hateball
[14:31] <mclaren> oh he's gone
[14:31] <mclaren> pynki: hello
[14:31] <mati> bo`:  but in cpu indicator I can change cpu frequency right? . Don't worry about that I'm still learn' whole system :P
[14:31] <pynki> db`, where does it route the udp connections?
[14:32] <mclaren> pynki or bo`, the wifi from the same router works, but the ethernet doesn't work
[14:32] <kunji> Is there a better way to manage the resources of a program than cgroups?  The difficulty with those being that root access is required to setup the base one for a user (intended for use on shared systems).  ulimit/prlimit is not good in my case because it lets children again use up to the limits each instead of restricting them as a group to that total amount.
[14:33] <nil_> join in #emacs
[14:38] <db`> pynki
[14:38] <db`> my bad.
[14:38] <mclaren> im piping root to dev/null
[14:38] <db`> I was connectng to the same server using udp, where the VPN is defined.
[14:38] <mclaren> goodbye you little
[14:38] <db`> and so, I was seeing my real IP
[14:39] <db`> and not the localhost
[14:39] <db`> ;)
[14:39] <pynki> db`:)
[14:39] <db`> UDP seems fine when connected to other servers though.
[14:39] <db`> my bad.
[14:39] <db`> thanks anyways pynki
[14:40] <mclaren> i love you pynki
[14:40] <mclaren> but i am going to dev null
[14:44] <pynki> kunji, i think you need root access to limit resources over multiple users
[14:44] <kunji> pynki: I'm looking more of for a single user to limit resources just for himself for one groups of his processes.
[14:45] <kunji> *group
[14:46] <kunji> pynki: But I don't think cgroups can do it unless a root user first creates a default cgroup for the regular user, then the regular user is able to make his own sub-cgroup
[14:50] <mclaren> damn man
[14:50] <mclaren> guess i'll have to go back to windows
[14:51] <mclaren> yo pynki you still here
[14:51] <pynki> kunji, root needs to create the base group, yes. run a script on user creation?
[14:51] <pynki> mclaren: i am
[14:51] <mclaren> so pynki what do i do now
[14:51] <mclaren> i've done everything you said
[14:52] <pynki> you knwo the network you router should give out ip adresses on? some like 192.168.Y.X
[14:52] <mubarak> hey pals....am new here
[14:53] <pynki> mclaren, then jsut set static ip configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for your interface if the dhcp is not working
[14:53] <pynki> aloha mubarak
[14:53] <mclaren> hey pynki
[14:53] <mubarak> hey pynki
[14:53] <mclaren> how do you restart the networking subsystem
[14:54] <pynki> mclaren: perhaps : service networking restart
[14:54] <mclaren> aaand how do u do that
[14:54] <Eventsy> Anyone think they can help me get munin CGI graph drawing working properly in nginx?
[14:54] <mclaren> oh ok i got it
[14:54] <mclaren> dont tell me pynki
[14:54] <Eventsy> Setup as per: http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/MuninConfigurationMasterCGI
[14:55] <Eventsy> But I still get no graph and errors in the log.
[14:55] <pynki> Eventsy, paste the error to some pastebin kind of website
[14:57] <Eventsy> Aw godamnit, the bloody ubuntu pasting bug ...
[14:57] <Eventsy> I cannot paste out of the terminal...
[14:57] <kunji> mclaren: Well... for a while networking restart was doing some kinda crashy things.  My suggested start point would be: sudo service network-manager restart
[14:58] <mclaren> got it kunji
[14:58] <mclaren> but its too late kunji
[14:58] <mclaren> i did what pynki told me
[14:58] <mclaren> and it crashed lol
[14:58] <Eventsy> I actually do not know how to get the output out of the terminal...
[14:58] <kunji> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1301015
[14:59] <pynki> Eventsy, is it a desktop system or a headless server?
[14:59] <Eventsy> Copy and paste via right click, Ctrl C , Ctrl Shift, middle mouse are not working...
[14:59] <Eventsy> Headless server
[14:59] <mclaren> it is too late kunji
[14:59] <Eventsy> So I am connected over SSH at present.
[14:59] <kunji> Sorry mate
[14:59] <mclaren> i have piped root into dev null
[14:59] <wrksx> guys
[14:59] <pynki> Eventsy, run your command and redirect the output to a file "commandXZY >> somefile.name"
[15:00] <wrksx> My /lib/modules is goin to consume all the available space on my root partition
[15:00] <mclaren> i am completely screwed. i will do this:  / -rm -rf
[15:00] <pynki> then use scp to get it to your local system Eventsy
[15:00] <Eventsy> pynki, I can't do that with a weblog. Mainly due to size but also confidentiality.
[15:00] <pynki> this will warn you and say: use --ignore-blabla @ mclaren
[15:00] <wrksx> each module is 188M, I have 16 of them
[15:01] <mclaren> lol pynk
[15:01] <Eventsy> Not working copy and paste in terminal. Xterm, UXterm
[15:02] <wrksx> i have folders from 3.13.0-93-generic to 3.13.0-117-generic
[15:02] <wrksx> how can I delete some ?
[15:03] <Eventsy>  How the bloody hell does a right click in a terminal window with copy and paste not work...
[15:04] <bo`> don't use xterm
[15:04] <implite> you need some menu/inputserver running also i think
[15:04] <bo`> use any other modern terminal
[15:06] <bo`> but yeah, no c&p in xterm is pretty bad lol
[15:06] <Eventsy> Aint that the truth
[15:06] <Eventsy> Same problem in aterm
[15:06]  * pynki thinks xterm is there for installing terminator
[15:07] <implite> noy
[15:07] <implite> lol
[15:07] <bo`> lol
[15:07] <implite> guess you never seen xinit twm | xterm
[15:08] <bo`> implite: im not sure what that does but it sounds awful
[15:08] <Eventsy> Got copy and paste working in sakura...
[15:08] <Eventsy> well
[15:08] <Eventsy> Here's the error message
[15:09] <pynki> hmmm, twm seems to be made by someone strange :o
[15:09] <Eventsy> https://pastebin.com/Q92GH2UY
[15:10] <pynki> Eventsy, the file in question is there?
[15:11] <Eventsy> It is.
[15:11] <yossarianuk> how do people here deal with UEFI + MDRAID ?
[15:12] <pynki> Eventsy, i assume you checked that the process can read/write/execute it - whatever it needs to do with the file?
[15:12] <Eventsy> Hold on, looks like I have an index.html
[15:12] <Eventsy> but not the .php
[15:12] <Eventsy> which is
[15:12] <Eventsy> not really possible
[15:12] <Eventsy> I just pulled and reinstalled munin so how is it missing its own files.
[15:15] <implite> !raid
[15:15] <bo`> Eventsy: sounds like you should reinstall again, but *really* make sure it's uninstalled/purged before reinstalling
[15:15] <Eventsy> I'm not convinced it should even be looking for that file
[15:16] <Eventsy> nor that the error is related to the lack of generation
[15:16] <i-need-help> may i ask for a little support
[15:16] <Eventsy> Loading the image only = no input specified
[15:16] <Eventsy> no error in the logs
[15:16] <implite> i-need-help: ask your question
[15:16] <pynki> i-need-help, dont ask to ask a question...
[15:17] <i-need-help> i can`t make my function keys to work on hp laptop with xubuntu
[15:17] <i-need-help> the volume keys
[15:17] <pynki> Eventsy, you had a look at the updated config examples they link to?
[15:17] <pynki> i-need-help, what hp laptop?
[15:18] <i-need-help> 255 g5
[15:18] <implite> are you using the fn key + the key you need for volume?
[15:18] <Eventsy> Would that have any effect on the CGI stuff?
[15:18] <i-need-help> the other functions work .. like brightness
[15:18] <i-need-help> without  pressing the fn
[15:18] <implite> have you tried with?
[15:19] <i-need-help> yup
[15:19] <i-need-help> nothing happens
[15:19] <i-need-help> i tried with xev .. it seems they work .. but no effect in the volume
[15:20] <Eventsy> Now the CGI spawner is crashing
[15:20] <bo`> good, ok
[15:20] <bo`> i recommend you set your own keybindings for volume
[15:20] <i-need-help> i tried ... unfortunately
[15:20] <bo`> uhh but... im not sure the most user-friendly way to do that
[15:21] <i-need-help> i hoped if there is some kind of app to do that
[15:22] <implite> is there not some other key combo for controlling the volume?
[15:22] <bo`> personally, i setup a hotkey to execute this terminal command: pactl set-sink-volume alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo +2%
[15:22] <i-need-help> idts
[15:22] <bo`> you could setup something like that, but perhaps it's too advanced.
[15:22] <implite> I dont remember all of the key combos atm
[15:22] <yossarianuk> implite: those guides do not have how to deal with EFI partition
[15:22] <yossarianuk> i.e i cannot use mdraid with EFI (ESP)
[15:23] <implite> !efi
[15:23] <yossarianuk> I know how to use both MDRAID and UEFI
[15:23] <pynki> i-need-help, Action Keys Mode is activated in the bios?
[15:23] <yossarianuk> I don't understand how to use both together
[15:23] <rfleming> Greetings!
[15:23] <yossarianuk> none of the links you sent deal with that
[15:23] <rfleming> GNOME Classic has fubared my GNOME session.
[15:24] <yossarianuk> i.e efi (/boot/efi) partition cannot be made in mdraid as UEFI cannot read it.
[15:24] <rfleming> Logging into GNOME (not GNOME classic), I am presented with the GNOME classic interface... yet tweak tool says the extensions are not running.
[15:24] <rfleming> what is going on?
[15:26] <Eventsy> Any idea why if I get a server 404 on a script I am not getting anything in the error log?
[15:26] <bo`> i'm not familar with gnome desktop, but i'd guess that you're right... gnome classic fubared your regular gnome.
[15:27] <rfleming> thanks bo`.  Very insightful :D
[15:27] <bo`> personally, i would reinstall and don't switch between them ever
[15:27] <bo`> logging into gnome classic maybe screwed up your user config files, idk. good luck.
[15:29] <pynki> yossarianuk, https://askubuntu.com/questions/660023/how-to-install-ubuntu-14-04-64-bit-with-a-dual-boot-raid-1-partition-on-an-uefi already read this?
[15:30] <pynki> he/she added dual boot into the equasion of raid+uefi
[15:31] <pynki> seems wild
[15:31] <pavlos> Eventsy: I get 404 in /var/log/apache2/access.log if I request a page that does not exist
[15:34] <yossarianuk> pynki: cheers - I did see it however that uses the desktop livedisk, I am intalling the server
[15:34] <yossarianuk> and yes it looks slightly crazy
[15:34] <yossarianuk> I could use legacy, but that seems like defeat
[15:34] <yossarianuk> and soon servers will come with no legacy
[15:35] <pynki> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/69214/partitioning-efi-machine-with-two-ssd-disks-in-mirror
[15:35] <pynki> no, using uefi is the defeat
[15:36] <pynki> :p
[15:36] <skinux> How do I tell Apache service not to start with Ubuntu?
[15:36] <scottjl> skinux: systemctl disable apache2
[15:37] <pynki> but the conclusion of what i read is: clone the /boot/efi partition and add it to the efibootmgr, yossarianuk
[15:38] <yossarianuk> pynki: I did actually try that.
[15:38] <yossarianuk> and removed the first disk
[15:39] <implite> !clone
[15:39] <yossarianuk> the UEFI part worked, however dropped to initramfs ' lvmetad error
[15:39] <implite> lol nope not what i was looking for
[15:39] <pynki> yossarianuk, testing possible fails before going live? where is the fun in that?
[15:39] <yossarianuk> i'm glad I did...
[15:39] <Eventsy> Just got back from the loo
[15:40] <Eventsy> I get no 404 in error or access which is odd.
[15:40] <yossarianuk> pynki: thank you for your help though - i'll try a reinstall and re-read that link
[15:40] <implite> !automate
[15:41] <implite> !cloning
[15:43] <pynki> yossarianuk, the net seems to recomment to keep the efi stuff out of the raid
[15:43] <pynki> since it is kind of static data
[15:44] <nacc> yossarianuk: i thought we advised in #ubuntu-server yesterday to not raid efi?
[15:56] <pavlos> Eventsy: is logging enabled? maybe restart apache ... sudo systemctl restart apache2.service ... you should see entries in access.log when asking for non exist files
[15:57] <Eventsy> Most of the problem seems to be old nginx config I am stripping out
[15:57] <Eventsy> I am now however at the point where the error is a failed connection to the cgi socket
[15:57] <Eventsy> which I am trying to debug now
[15:58] <waxy> I'm trying to communicate between two computers running ubuntu over tcp, but i see that one of them is not receiving the message sent from the other. Is there a tool that will help me diagnose the problem?
[15:59] <sweetheart> I'm willing to bet the IP/Port isn't set right
[15:59] <Eventsy> Regen'd the sockets and still getting a 502
[15:59] <Southern_Gentlem> waxy how are you trying to communicate
[15:59] <Eventsy> Don't understand how it fails to connect when the sockets are clearly available
[16:00] <kunji> waxy: Well, there is wireshark, but for a config like that getting wireshark setup and whatnot is probably more work than getting this set up, that's just a guess though.
[16:00] <waxy> Southern_Gentlem, I'm not fully clear on the details, but I'm using MAVLink to connect a computer on the ground to one running on a drone
[16:01] <Eventsy> ffs
[16:01] <waxy> they are both equipped with rf modems which are physically connected through ethernet
[16:01] <Eventsy> The bloody config munin supplies is wrong
[16:01] <waxy> and the connection is established over tcp. I see that it is working one way, ie. im getting messages from the drone, but I cannot send anything to it
[16:01] <Eventsy> The socket definitions they give are different when starting them versus using them
[16:02] <yossarianuk> nacc: I tried installing with none raid efi and used dd - /dev/sda1 -> /dev/sdb1 and installed spare efibootmgr entry
[16:02] <leolegato> .
[16:02] <yossarianuk> uefi booted but os couldn't load when I tried taking out primary disk
[16:05] <nacc> yossarianuk: if uefi booted, then it seems like the non-raid efi worked
[16:05] <nacc> yossarianuk: and the bug is elsewhere (perhaps your efi configuration that you entered?)
[16:06] <Eventsy> I now have it running in CGI properly but it is loading localdomain instead of the correct munin node
[16:06] <Eventsy> Reinstall nuked the old graphs?
[16:15] <elcot> games
[16:15] <Eventsy> I have the fastcgi rendering the pages but not the graphs
[16:16] <Eventsy> Kinda confused how to debug
[16:21] <Eventsy> Error = munin_readconfig_part(datafile) - missing file in the graph gen CGI log
[16:25] <Eventsy> The error is a connection refused by the CGI socket.
[16:25] <Eventsy> wat
[16:28] <markus-k> is anyone running Ubuntu (17.04) on a 2015 MacBook Pro and having bad sound quality?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> markus-k: have you tried sound on ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS?
[16:40] <momken> Hello
[16:40] <momken> How could I mount a usb-dvd in Kubuntu 16.04?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> !mount | momken
[16:41] <momken> It is not recognized in left pane of dolphin!
[16:41] <momken> But it is recognized easily in win 10
[16:41] <sweetheart> Because it's not mounted
[16:42] <nacc> momken: let's start one layer lower, does linux see the disk?
[16:42] <momken> nacc: How could I know?
[16:42] <mikeymop> momken: i would start with an lsusb and look for the dvd drive
[16:42] <mikeymop> you said it's a usb dvd drive right?
[16:42] <nacc> momken: dmesg, lsusb, etc.
[16:44] <momken> mikeymop: yes dvd usb
[16:44] <momken> wait
[16:44] <momken> Yeah it is recognized in lsusb
[16:44] <momken> Bus 003 Device 007: ID 13fd:0840 Initio Corporation INIC-1618L SATA
[16:45] <momken> Actually it is a USB to miniSata adapter which converts the internal DVD drive of my laptop to an external USB drive
[16:45] <momken> It even writes over USB2 in win 10
[16:46] <sweetheart> What's wrong with using the internal one?
[16:46] <sweetheart> Internally
[16:46] <momken> sweetheart: I have put an SSD in the HDD caddy instead
[16:46] <momken> more useful
[16:47] <sweetheart> Sounds it
[16:47] <nacc> momken: honestly, win10 is sort of irrelevant here. yes, it means (i guess) that the hw works, but let's ignore that for now and focus on linux
[16:47] <nacc> momken: can you pastebin dmesg output when you plug in the disk
[16:47] <sweetheart> Can you put a second battery in that Port?
[16:47] <Eventsy> Anyone know how to debug a connection refused 111 on fastcgi?
[16:49] <momken> nacc: The last lines of dmesg after reattaching the USB dvd: http://dpaste.com/049DG3M
[16:50] <momken> sweetheart: I don't think so. Some dells have a connector of second battery in drivebay, but my HP elitebook 8470p has this connector under the laptop
[16:52] <nacc> momken: looks like linux sees it fine (and has attached it to sr0)
[16:52] <nacc> momken: it probably just needs to be mounted, as someone mentioned
[16:52] <momken> nacc: Why dolphin doesn't detect it?
[16:52] <nacc> momken: because it's not mounted
[16:52] <nacc> momken: as now multiple people have said
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> nacc his output says it mounted as sr0
[16:53] <nacc> Southern_Gentlem: that's not a mount
[16:53] <momken> nacc: But dolphin can detect many other unmounted usb flashs and hdds
[16:53] <nacc> Southern_Gentlem: that's the kernel device
[16:54] <nacc> momken: presumably you have automounting setup for those
[16:54] <Southern_Gentlem> momken, is there a dvd in it ?
[16:54] <momken> Southern_Gentlem: Yes
[16:54] <momken> I get this error
[16:54] <momken> momken@momken-8470p:~$ sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt
[16:54] <momken> mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0
[16:54] <Southern_Gentlem> what is the dvd in the drive
[16:55] <Southern_Gentlem> movie data or what
[16:55] <momken> Southern_Gentlem: A video DVD containing a film
[16:55] <Southern_Gentlem> but a data dvd in it
[16:55] <Southern_Gentlem> open vlc and see if it sees the dvd
[16:56] <nacc> right, you don't usually mount video DVDs
[16:56] <Southern_Gentlem> this could br a dmr issue
[16:56] <Southern_Gentlem> be
[16:56] <Sparrow__> drm
[16:56] <momken> Southern_Gentlem: VLC says DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/sr0".
[16:57] <momken> Oh yeah, you are right
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> momken: tail -f /var/log/syslog while your fooling around with dvd, perhaps usefull errors on it
[16:58] <momken> I put DVD of kubuntu and dolphin monuted in automatically
[16:58] <momken> But I want to rip that Video DVD to see the film on my Raspberry Pi home theater
[16:58] <Sbur3> I want to thank the person who helped me get sound to work.  But I have a question. I was told to type "sudo killall -9 pulseaudio".  I recovered access to sound (Kodi and Mixx worked before, but the command permitted me to unmute ùy sound.  I want to know how to make it automatic upon boot to access sound.
[16:59] <Sparrow__> momken, offtopic
[16:59] <momken> Sparrow__: why?
[16:59] <Sbur3> Was I clear enough?
[17:00] <Sparrow__> Involves bypassing drm
[17:00] <Sbur3> Sparrow__: This was for me?
[17:00] <momken> But I have bought this DVD. My rpi doesn't have dvd.
[17:01] <momken> Ok, I will mess with it myself
[17:01] <Sparrow__> Sbur3, No. sorry
[17:01] <momken> P.S. According to my local law, ripping video DVDs is not illegal
[17:01] <tomreyn> momken: search the web, it's easy to find
[17:03] <Sparrow__> momken, It is not a function of ununtu support.. clear enough
[17:03] <momken> ox
[17:03] <momken> ok, thanks for help
[17:04] <Sparrow__> anytime
[17:09] <Eventsy> I have a question regarding Ubuntu and turbo clocking on processors
[17:09] <Eventsy> I have an FX-8120 which has a turbo of 4.0 Ghz but cpufreq only shows up to 3.1 Ghz
[17:11] <spider_x> Hey guys, I am using i3wm with ubuntu, however when I logout from i3wm I end up in blank screens, the screens basically go to sleep
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: perhaps the #i3 guys know that
[17:17] <Pineapple_> Hi everyone, I'm using i3 Xubuntu, when I tried to boot the laptop, it showed /dev/sda2 clean and stuck like that.
[17:17] <spider_x> yea, asked in there but didn't get anything yet
[17:17] <Pineapple_> hmm...
[17:17] <Pineapple_> I think
[17:17] <Pineapple_> rip
[17:17] <spider_x> I have a feeling they will tell me it is not an i3 issue :D
[17:18] <Pineapple_> ;-;
[17:18] <nacc> Eventsy: where are you reading the cpu frequency?
[17:19] <Eventsy> cpufreq
[17:19] <spider_x> It is a rather annoying bug too, basically have to restart the computer if I want to logout
[17:19] <Eventsy> I can just cat /proc/cpuinfo but its the same
[17:20] <nacc> Eventsy: well, /proc/cpuinfo is showing you the current frequency
[17:20] <nacc> Eventsy: not the maximum(s)
[17:20] <Eventsy> True, but CPU freq shows the max as 3.1
[17:20] <Eventsy> I am stressing it and it maxes at 3.1
[17:22] <nacc> Eventsy: uh, turbo core won't go on if you stress it
[17:22] <nacc> Eventsy: turbo core is used when your package is *under* utilized
[17:22] <Eventsy> Ok
[17:22] <Eventsy> I will stress one core
[17:23] <pavlos> Eventsy: can you install inxi ? inxi -F will show you all the clock speeds
[17:23] <nacc> Eventsy: you can look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/boost
[17:23] <Eventsy> boost =1
[17:23] <spider_x> Blah, I don't understand why it would make my monitors go into sleep mode :/
[17:24] <nacc> Eventsy: ok, if it's on, then the hardware is choosing not to boost
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: wich ubuntu are you running i3 on?
[17:25] <Eventsy> Single core stressing shows a lock at 3.1 Ghz
[17:25] <Eventsy> Odd
[17:25] <Eventsy> Should it be turboing a single core?
[17:25] <spider_x> 17.04 I think
[17:25] <spider_x> 17 for sure
[17:25] <nacc> Eventsy: you'd need to read the amd specs, i guess
[17:25] <Eventsy> I mean if it was current gen it would but the FX 8120 is old as balls
[17:25] <spider_x> I wonder if that's what causing all the issues?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: you could check your logs perhaps
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | spider_x
[17:27] <spider_x> yea looking at it now, can't make sense of it :D
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: another test would be, trying i3 on LTS
[17:27] <spider_x> can I downgrade to LTS?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: when did this all start to happen?
[17:27] <spider_x> or do I have to reinstall
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: reinstall or liveusb
[17:28] <spider_x> it only happens on i3wm, Gnome and Unity work fine
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> spider_x: but i3 worked before?
[17:28] <spider_x> i3 works fine
[17:28] <mikeymop> spider_x: what dm are you using with i3? lightdm?
[17:28] <spider_x> problem is when I try to logout it goes into sleep mode
[17:28] <mikeymop> i think i3 might call to logind
[17:28] <tayrone> hi have backbox is good????????
[17:29] <spider_x> logind?
[17:29] <mikeymop> logond or w/e, you need a log on mgr
[17:29] <web-secu1ity> hey
[17:29] <spider_x> hmm let me check the config
[17:29] <web-secu1ity> hey
[17:29] <mikeymop> spider_x: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/linux-mint-adopts-lightdm-slick-greeter
[17:30] <mikeymop> try using those? they were just written to be distro agnostic
[17:30] <spider_x> ok, I am currently using lightdm
[17:31] <Southern_Gentlem> web-secu1ity, hey is for horses, but grass is cheaper
[17:31] <spider_x> I can try gdm3?
[17:33] <spider_x> Ok, I switched to gdm3 and just for fun switched back to lightdm and it gave the following error: gdm.service is not active, cannot reload."
[17:33] <spider_x> Could it be that the service is not running, so when I logout there is no one to take care of me?
[17:37] <spider_x> blah, I think I will just install the LTS version
[17:38] <akik> spider_x: how did you switch? sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[17:39] <spider_x> yea
[17:39] <spider_x> and then selected gdm3
[17:47] <embryo> hi
[17:49] <Rapture> wondering if it's possible to assign owner/group in my mkdir command? I can do -m a=rwx which is great, but can't figure out if I can assign group/owner as well
[17:50] <g105b> Rapture: not using only mkdir
[17:50] <Rapture> g105b: that's what I figured, thanks
[17:50] <Rapture> && it is!
[17:50] <g105b> Or ACL
[17:50] <Rapture> Or install!
[17:51] <g105b> Just in case you're tackling a similar problem to me, I used ACL to force a parent directory's children to always take on the parent's permissions when being created.
[17:51] <g105b> Rapture: ^
[17:51] <Rapture> g105b: ahhh
[17:52] <g105b> Does anyone know of a way of enabling Unity-style Locally Integrated Menus in other DMs?
[17:52] <onomatopiea> When using full disk encryption - is there any way to get the onscreen keyboard on during password prompt at boot-time?
[17:52] <g105b> onomatopiea: nope, you're not booted yet.
[17:52] <onomatopiea> ffs
[17:52] <g105b> onomatopiea: where would the on-screen-keyboard application load from?
[17:53] <onomatopiea> Right let me think then.
[17:53] <onomatopiea> I want a nice unobtrusive way to boot to a secured ubuntu install
[17:53] <g105b> You can encrypt just the home directory?
[17:53] <onomatopiea> So what I am going to be installing - kodi, sshfs (or whatever). Will that all be protected in the home dir?
[17:54] <onomatopiea> Or more specifically, anything sentivie/configuration wise
[17:57] <g105b> onomatopiea: As long as you don't have to use root to run/configure your software, you can be assured that the configuration is stored within the user's home directory.
[17:58] <g105b> You'll have to check to be sure though because this isn't a perfect world.
[17:58] <sim642> Upgrading my packages on 16.04 I'm suddenly getting these errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24512310/. What should I do?
[17:58] <nacc> sim642: you're out of space
[17:59] <nacc> sim642: free up space
[17:59] <onomatopiea> g105b: That might be much easier then. I might just re-install without full disk dencryption
[17:59] <onomatopiea> I presume I can enable full disk encryption later if I want?
[17:59] <sim642> nacc, that's definitely not the case: /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root ext4      290G  208G   68G  76% /
[17:59] <g105b> onomatopiea: Hmm, yes, but it's non-trivial.
[17:59] <sim642> nacc, the error is because of the .crash file, idk if it's safe to delete it or what
[18:00] <nacc> sim642: not necessarily in /, but mayb ein /boot
[18:00] <nacc> sim642: no, the dkms failure is non-fatal
[18:00] <onomatopiea> g105b: hmm, well if it's less effort. Because right now I can't even login due to this issue
[18:00] <nacc> sim642: the failure is "gzip: stdout: No space left on device"
[18:00] <g105b> onomatopiea: best advice is to get a good partition strategy that allows you to reconfigure drives at a later date. Once you've installed onto one partition, you're going to struggle to full-disk-encrypt it while you're booted into it already.
[18:00] <nacc> onomatopiea: i take it you don't have a keyboard
[18:00] <sim642> nacc, that's odd, something screaming ERROR is nothing, but something with gzip is end of the world
[18:01] <sim642> nacc, my /boot seems full indeed but what can I do about it? I've never had this issue before
[18:01] <onomatopiea> nacc: i have an MS keyboard. Wireless, but with a usb dongle.
[18:01] <nacc> sim642: E: mkinitramfs failure find 141 cpio 141 gzip 1
[18:01] <nacc> sim642: that's the error in apt
[18:01] <nacc> sim642: `sudo apt autoremove` ?
[18:01] <nacc> onomatopiea: does it not work at boot? why do you need the onscreen keyboard?
[18:02] <onomatopiea> nacc: Broken laptop keyboard! And no, it didn't work at boot
[18:02] <sim642> Oh shit, 343 packages to remove, I should've done this right after upgrade I guess
[18:02] <nacc> sim642: yes, probably
[18:02] <nacc> sim642: not sure it will free up /boot or not, but it's good to do
[18:02] <onomatopiea> nacc: this is a crappy old laptop, so the plan is just to get SSH running on it, wake on lan, kodi, sshfs, etc.
[18:02] <onomatopiea> Hook it up to my TV
[18:02] <sim642> nacc, I think it might because it seems like I have the kernels before the upgrade still as well
[18:03] <nacc> sim642: ok
[18:03] <nacc> onomatopiea: why do you need whole disk encryption?
[18:03] <onomatopiea> Damn I am stupid. Let me just plug my MS keyboard into THIS laptop.
[18:03] <onomatopiea> nacc: Just comfort.
[18:04] <web-secu2ity> hey
[18:04] <nacc> onomatopiea: ok, it seems like overkill for a media center that won't have anything you really need to secure
[18:04] <nacc> onomatopiea: just my opinion
[18:04] <onomatopiea> oh ffs nacc. The batteries were dead -_-
[18:05] <nacc> onomatopiea: and if you want it to be headless, then you are making that impossible if you have this dependency
[18:05] <nacc> onomatopiea: :) happens. that's why i got rid of my wireless keyboard
[18:05] <onomatopiea> I'd love a wired versio nof this keyboard. I love it
[18:05] <onomatopiea> But it doesn't exist.
[18:05] <onomatopiea> Anyways: I suppose ssh keys will be kept in home
[18:06] <onomatopiea> Fine. I'll take off full disk encryption!
[18:06] <web-secu2ity> does anyone know how to program a keyboard that automatically types when plugged in (rubber ducky)
[18:08] <web-secu2ity> does anyone know how to program a keyboard that automatically types when plugged in (rubber ducky)
[18:10] <web-secu2ity> does anyone here know how to use hydra?
[18:14] <L00P3X> I'm soffy but how i get to install libmagick++-6.q16-6v6???
[18:14] <L00P3X> *sorryxD
[18:15] <maffh> Hello, does there exist a measuring tool that shows interesting information about the memory usage of a proces?
[18:15] <nacc> L00P3X: you figured it out?
[18:17] <L00P3X> Hello nacc .. i'm would install inkscape but it has this missing dependency out of repos i can't install
[18:18] <nacc> L00P3X: what version of ubuntu?
[18:18] <Guest59147> How do you completely disable mouse acceleration in 17.04?
[18:18] <L00P3X> p.s. i'm using lubuntu and 17. i'm also waiting for response over there channel
[18:19] <nacc> L00P3X: 17 is not a version, 17.04?
[18:20] <L00P3X> sorry nacc ^^ 17.04
[18:21] <nacc> L00P3X: inkscape doesn't depend on libmagick++-6.q16-6v6 in 17.04
[18:21] <nacc> L00P3X: it depends on libmagick++-6.q16-7 (among other packages)
[18:24] <L00P3X> nacc: i'ts strange becouse even synaptic ask for it but kann't resolve becouse it's missing in repos.. and alredy installed libmagick++-6.q16-7 but inkscape refuse to install
[18:24] <nacc> L00P3X: in a fresh 17.04 container, it installs fine
[18:24] <nacc> L00P3X: please pastebin `sudo apt update; sudo apt install inkscape` output
[18:27] <L00P3X> nacc: somehow to output in englisch? https://pastebin.com/XF0FiHX1
[18:27] <nacc> L00P3X: export LC_ALL=C
[18:27] <nacc> L00P3X: apt policy inkscape
[18:30] <capum321> what is wrong with this line `Exec=GTK2_RC_FILES=/home/nbah07/.themes/vertex/gtk-2.0-dark/gtkrc hexchat --existing %U` in hexchat.desktop ?
[18:31] <L00P3X> nacc: https://pastebin.com/YDh0Wihe  it gets italian again after rebot? ^^
[18:32] <nacc> L00P3X: you are using a PPA
[18:32] <nacc> L00P3X: use the version shipped by ubuntu
[18:32] <nacc> !ppa | L00P3X
[18:32] <nacc> L00P3X: or seek support from the ppa owner who is shipping a buggy package
[18:32] <L00P3X> nacc: beacouse it refused to install at first.. so i tryed over ppa but not helped
[18:33] <nacc> L00P3X: yeah, or you can set it back (see the value to use from `locale`)
[18:33] <nacc> L00P3X: i'm sorry, i don't believe you, as i just installed it
[18:33] <nacc> L00P3X: please psatebin `sudo apt install inkscape=0.92.1-1`
[18:33] <L00P3X> nacc: -.-" the output of apt install is still the same
[18:34] <nacc> L00P3X: as long as you have the PPA installed, it might be breaking tings
[18:34] <nacc> L00P3X: as it could also be providing dependencies
[18:35] <nacc> L00P3X: i can tell you 100% that inkscape 0.92.1-1 does not depend in any way on libmagick++-6.q16-6v6
[18:37] <L00P3X> nacc: i'm sorry nacc but maybe the software center was hanging at first install.. and after the ppa it completly stucks.. now it installed.. i had no reason to lie you.. so thank you allot becouse i had try forever whit the ppa installed
[18:38] <nacc> L00P3X: sure, im not saying you were lying in that sense, i'm just saying that ubuntu's packages work :)
[18:38] <nacc> L00P3X: and PPAs break things all the time, don't use them unless you absolutely hve to :)
[18:39] <L00P3X> nacc: like when i would install gradio.. but unable to do so anyway xD
[18:47] <pennTeller> hi guys, can anybody tell me how to increase the size of the "thumb" area of my trackpad? I recently installed ubuntu 17.04 in a MacBook pro 11,3
[18:54] <spider_x> Hey, how do you enter grub in ubuntu? I am holding down Shift, nothing happens
[18:55] <spider_x> only a purple screen for a moment and then moves on
[18:56] <ducasse> spider_x: try esc
[18:57] <spider_x> ESC worked but it is now saying grub>
[18:57] <spider_x> I was kind of hoping to see the other menu
[18:57] <spider_x> trying to set nomodeset
[18:58] <ducasse> spider_x: type 'normal' to get out of it. on next boot try spamming left shift instead of holding it.
[18:59] <akik> amazing that that is still a problem
[18:59] <spider_x> ah figured it out, just typed exit and it put me back at the other menu
[18:59] <spider_x> seems to be an issue with the GTX970
[19:00] <spider_x> the blank screen thing
[19:00] <akik> spider_x: you can always show the grub menu if you set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT= and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET= in /etc/default/grub, followed by "sudo update-grub"
[19:01] <spider_x> yea, I was just unable to reach that point due to after grub it would go into blank screens
[19:06] <justalex> hello
[19:07] <tayrone>  hi i have backbox linux is good for hacking
[19:07] <justalex> woah
[19:07] <justalex> who uses ubuntu?
[19:07] <tayrone> emmm
[19:07] <tomreyn> no polls please.
[19:07] <akik> justalex: ubuntu is for everybody. do you have a support question?
[19:08] <tayrone> yea
[19:08] <tayrone> yes
[19:08] <justalex> akik nope.I am doing great
[19:08] <justalex> I use Ubuntu MATE
[19:08] <tayrone> emm ok
[19:08] <tomreyn> you are welcome to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[19:09] <tayrone> ok
[19:09] <justalex> why would i want that?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> justalex: because this is the ubuntu support channel
[19:10] <justalex> ohhhh shame
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | justalex also here
[19:15] <cloudbud> when i check zookeeper version that is avaiable i find 3.4.5+dfsg-1 what is dfsg-1
[19:16] <ioria> Debian Free Software Guidelines
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> !latest | cloudbud see also
[19:27] <cloudbud> can someone tell me what is the latest stable version of zookeeper ?
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> cloudbud: wich ubuntu version?
[19:28] <ioria> !info zookeeper xenial
[19:28] <cloudbud> 14
[19:28] <cyrano> I have Ubuntu MATE 16.04, would it be okay to change my display manager from lightdm to anything else I want?
[19:28] <TomyLobo2> i was wondering whether it was possible to use iptables with "ubuntu on windows". feel free to point me to a better channel to ask this in :)
[19:28] <axldmg> My very first step on IRC, just checking I am actually connected
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> !info zookeeper trusty | cloudbud
[19:29] <ducasse> !ubuwin | TomyLobo2 but the answer is no :)
[19:30] <cloudbud> with kafka kafka latest version 0.10 whcih version of zookeeper  would be stable
[19:30] <TomyLobo2> that channel doesnt exist
[19:30] <ducasse> TomyLobo2: sure it does, i just tested
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> TomyLobo2: it does
[19:30] <TomyLobo2> oh hexchat is being stupid
[19:31] <TomyLobo2> it considers the "." part of the channel name
[19:31] <TomyLobo2> maybe remove that from the factoid? :)
[19:31] <ned0> hey guys, anyone booting ubuntu off an external HDD?
[19:31] <ducasse> !ask | ned0
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> ned0: usb will bottleneck that
[19:31] <ned0> I haven't tried it but figure it should work and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything
[19:31] <BluesKaj> ned0, connected with?
[19:32] <ned0> usb 3.0
[19:32] <tayrone> help me
[19:32] <tayrone> help me
[19:32] <ned0> hm
[19:32] <tayrone> the police
[19:33] <cyrano> Can I switch to a different display manager? from lightdm to something else like gdm or mdm
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> TomyLobo2: hexchat here also, it ignores the . here, joins like a charm
[19:34] <BluesKaj> I ran an esata to sata outboard with Windows on it for a while , it was ok , but dunno about an OS running thru usb 3, ned0
[19:34] <ducasse> cyrano: yes, but lightdm is probably the most flexible one
[19:35] <cyrano> Okay, because sometimes whenever I log in, the login window would sometimes flash black and white for some reason and I don't like it
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> cyrano: ubuntu version? DE?
[19:38] <cyrano> Ubuntu MATE 16.04.2, MATE DE
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> cyrano: perhps the #ubuntu-mate guys have noticed that issue before?
[19:40] <sweetheart> I don't actually have an Ubuntu installation can I still be in here?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> ned0, FWIW I have raspbian on a RPI3 running the OS on USB 2.0 connected to a HDD with the / and /home on it, but booting from the sdcard on the RPI ...it runs fast enough to not be annoying
[19:40] <pavlos> sure
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: sure, idle is for everyone
[19:41] <sweetheart> I actually do have a question can I ask it?
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: only if ubuntu related
[19:41] <sweetheart> How are the latest wallpapers? For the gnome flavor
[19:41] <sweetheart> Unity my mistake
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: latest as in 17.10?
[19:42] <sweetheart> Yea
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: join #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 questions
[19:42] <TomyLobo2> lotuspsychje, might be a different version :)
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> TomyLobo2: what?
[19:43] <TomyLobo2> mine says it's up to date *shrug*
[19:43] <ducasse> sweetheart: what do you mean by 'how are they'? what they look like?
[19:43] <rhollan> After I restore the screen after a screensaver timeout, many windows are sized wrong or just plan missing. What is going on? This started when I moved to a 4k display whoch otherwise works
[19:43] <sweetheart> Your opinion, do you like them, compared to the previous ones
[19:44] <rhollan> I see the tasks on the left column bar, but can't restore them to the display
[19:44] <sweetheart> Can you put the taskbar at the bottom? For unity?
[19:44] <sweetheart> I've been wanting them to do that for a long time
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: that can alreay be changed
[19:45] <sweetheart> I actually used a different wm a while just cause of that
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: install unity-tweak-tool to change to bottom
[19:45] <sweetheart> Cool thanks
[19:46] <rhollan> I have the 1366x768 laptop display and the 4k display
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> sweetheart: recommended for 16.04 and higher
[19:46] <sweetheart> Okay
[19:46] <ned0> I'm looking now BluesKaj and I forgot that the mbp has thunderbolt 2
[19:47] <ned0> so I guess I could use thunderbolt 2 if I found an external enclosure that supports it
[19:47] <rhollan> anyone? is there a better group to ask in?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> not familiar with thunderbolt 2, ned0
[19:48] <satanejo> hi there!
[19:48] <bray90820> Can someone tell me why the app start with the first command but works after I cd
[19:48] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/kQ03wgR0
[19:49] <g105b> How would I go about starting development of a gnome extension that moves the menu bar (file, edit, view) into a dropdown button next to the close, restore, minimise buttons?
[19:50] <sweetheart> You have to enter the full path when you're not in the current directory
[19:50] <sweetheart> Pwd
[19:51] <bray90820> sweetheart:  is that not what I did?
[19:52] <ducasse> g105b: pretty far beyond what is supported here, try a gnome channel
[19:52] <sweetheart> You're right I dunno
[19:52] <g105b> oh ok sorry
[19:53] <bray90820> sweetheart: so did I or did I not give the full path?
[19:54] <ducasse> bray90820: what does 'which google-musicmanager' say?
[19:56] <khalil> just testing hi
[19:56] <khalil> can someone plz just confirm they see this message it'd be appreciated
[19:56] <Guest19065> i hear feedback noises when i plug my analog headphone? whats the problem?
[19:56] <bray90820> ducasse: /usr/bin/google-musicmanager
[19:56] <ducasse> khalil: do that in ##test, it's why it's there
[19:56] <khalil> oh thanks sorry for bothering!
[19:56] <khalil> ping
[19:56] <ducasse> bray90820: then that is what gets executed
[19:57] <Guest19065> i hear feedback noises when i plug my analog headphone? whats the problem?
[19:57] <Streiek> hy
[19:58] <Streiek> hy
[19:58] <bray90820> ducasse: So basically I just had the path wrong?
[19:58] <anoni> i hear feedback noises when i plug my analog headphone? whats the problem?
[19:58] <khalil> anyone from canada?
[19:58] <ducasse> bray90820: you weren't running it from where you thought you were :)
[19:58] <khalil> or qc
[19:59] <bray90820> ducasse: Yeah I get you Thanks
[19:59] <ducasse> !chat | khalil
[19:59] <ducasse> bray90820: np :)
[19:59] <khalil> ok excellent! only ubuntu stuff. understood
[20:00] <bambooli> hiello i am a bit confused on how to format a external usbdisk
[20:00] <anoni> i hear feedback noises when i plug my analog headphone? whats the problem?
[20:00] <bambooli> from my understanding (not sure if correct) FAT does not give problems with permissions but gives problems with filenames (invalid ones), EXT4 does not give problems with filenames but gives problems with permissions (later)
[20:01] <anoni> why no one respond to my problem?
[20:01] <khalil> @anoni perhaps nobody has the solution
[20:01] <ducasse> anoni: have patience
[20:03] <anoni> i have an asus g551vw laptop, i hear feedback noises in my analog headphone. and its only an ubuntu problem, i haven't had the same problem in other linux distros i insalled
[20:03] <bambooli> i think one time i could not access the files because i had done it in EXT4
[20:05] <bambooli> i did not have this issue before with windows, i guess it is a linux thing
[20:05] <bambooli> but i am a total beginner so maybe there is an easy way to solve this
[20:06] <bambooli> maybe neither FAT nor EXT4, another one?
[20:08] <ducasse> bambooli: you could just read up on file permissions and manage them correctly with ext4, but i admit it can be a hassle for beginners
[20:09] <ducasse> !chmod | bambooli read this though
[20:09] <bambooli> ducasse, thank you for your help, what do you mean "manage them correctly"?
[20:10] <bambooli> ok i will go read that
[20:10] <ducasse> bambooli: if you know how they work you won't have problems :)
[20:11] <acresearch> hello people, i am able to install ffmpeg in ubuntu but not debian, why? i though all debian-based linux destributions can apt-get install, anyway how can i install it?
[20:11] <Ben64> acresearch: ask in #debian
[20:11] <ducasse> acresearch: ask in #debian
[20:12] <acresearch> Ben64: ducasse people are debian are not the most friendly,,, they won't give you a straight answe
[20:12] <Ben64> acresearch: yes they will
[20:13] <pavlos> acresearch: does this help? https://www.assetbank.co.uk/support/documentation/install/ffmpeg-debian-squeeze/ffmpeg-debian-jessie/
[20:14] <acresearch> pavlos: thanks :-)
[20:18] <acresearch> pavlos: got it, thanks :-)
[20:18] <pavlos> acresearch: np
[20:20] <satanejo> hi, I have a problem with a radeon 4330 and with the modprobe modeset=1 it gets the right resolution and then it shut downs suddenly
[20:22] <bambooli> ducasse, yes it looks a bit complicated (but i will study it if necessary). could you tell me your way of doing it? (if you have a bunch of files to put in a outside disk)
[20:23] <bambooli> ducasse, do you format the disk EXT4? or what?
[20:23] <FishPencil> How do I allow NGINX access to /home/$user/www ? php-fpm is being used and PHP runs as the local user to keep the sites separate.
[20:23] <bambooli> ducasse, then you do chmod ? before or after?
[20:24] <bambooli> ducasse, i mean before moving the files to the disk or after?
[20:24] <FishPencil> If I grant www-data access to all /home/$user/www folders, would that do it? I don't want to allow the users access to the other user folders
[20:25] <bambooli> this is complicated for a beginner :)
[20:26] <bambooli> can the root user of another computer always access the files?
[20:26] <mikeymop> no, but a root user can take ownership of any file
[20:27] <Sparrow__> I had this bluetooth speaker working a minute ago and now I ccant get mint to reconnect it.    https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Alpatronix-AX420-Rechargeable-Smartphones/dp/B019EMGA5I
[20:27] <bambooli> so then there is no reason to be afraid of never being able to open the files again? (another root user can take ownership)
[20:28] <mikeymop> bambooli: it would help to know the context of the file
[20:28] <mikeymop> are you playign with ownerships or something?
[20:29] <Guest91952> hello
[20:29] <bambooli> mikeymop, i am trying to save many files on a external usbdisk, FAT gives problems with filenames, EXT4 gives problems with permissions (i am a beginner)
[20:30] <Guest91952> 10.0.2.15:10907
[20:30] <tomreyn> FishPencil: yes i would guess this would work. ideally make  files owned by the user, but group www-data and group readable. and change the users' umask if needed, so that they'll write new files group readable.
[20:31] <tomreyn> Guest91952: do you have an ubuntu support question there?
[20:31] <bambooli> mikeymop, how would you do it? how would you format the disk?
[20:31] <bambooli> i am trying to understand this permissions thing
[20:32] <Sparrow__> bambooli, take ownershio of that partition   chorw -R you:you /media/blahblah
[20:32] <Sparrow__> chown
[20:33] <bambooli> before or after i move the files?
[20:33] <Sparrow__> Now
[20:33] <bambooli> but wait i want to be able to open these files on another computer
[20:34] <bambooli> on ANY computer
[20:34] <Ben64> you can
[20:34] <Ben64> although windows needs a driver thing to be able to read ext
[20:34] <bambooli> i want to get rid of this "you do not have permission" thing!
[20:34] <Ben64> then make yourself the owner of the directory
[20:35] <virtualriot> bambooli just login as root
[20:35] <Ben64> no
[20:35] <bambooli> this is way much easier on windows (but i still prefer ubuntu)
[20:35] <Sparrow__> time for lunch, catch you later
[20:36] <bambooli> thanks
[20:37] <bambooli> on windows you just get the files put them on the usbdisk and then open them on any computer you want (without that "you do not have permission" issue)
[20:37] <Ben64> then use ntfs
[20:37] <bambooli> will ntfs give problems with filenames?
[20:37] <Ben64> not enough information to determine
[20:37] <bambooli> because that is the problem with FAT?
[20:38] <bambooli> no question mark
[20:38] <bambooli> that is the problem with FAT (i get all these invalid filenames errors)
[20:38] <Ben64> no you can't use / \ : * ? " < > | according to a google search
[20:38] <bambooli> but FAT is good because it does not give permissions problems later
[20:39] <Ben64> it won't give permission problems if you set the owner to your owner now
[20:39] <Ben64> dunno why you haven't yet
[20:39] <bambooli> sorry i just meant to write "because that is the problem with FAT" without question mark (it was a statement)
[20:40] <bambooli> but my owner now, is not the same as in another computer, right?
[20:40] <bambooli> then on the other computer i will not be able to open it
[20:40] <Ben64> you can open it on anything
[20:42] <joelmo> I have added the nigtly of vlc master ppa. But I cant seem to install the latest version, mine is stuck at v3.0 2016
[20:42] <bambooli> Ben64, so NTFS or EXT4 ?
[20:42] <joelmo> I am on 16.04
[20:42] <Ben64> bambooli: whatever you want man
[20:43] <bambooli> Ben64, what do you do?
[20:43] <bambooli> (i assume you know better than me)
[20:44] <Ben64> doesn't matter what i do
[20:45] <bambooli> Ben64, how does a "good ubuntu user" save files on externalusbdisk?
[20:45] <bambooli> one who is not a beginner like me
[20:46] <Ben64> depends on their needs
[20:46] <bambooli> Ben64, simply to have a good reliable backup
[20:47] <Ben64> backup i'd use ext4
[20:49] <bambooli> and then adjust the permissions
[20:49] <bambooli> so that anyone can access those files
[20:50] <Ben64> the default permissions let everyone read
[20:50] <steaminstall> Hey guys! My installed steam won't start - "ILocalize::AddFile() failed to load file "public/steambootstrapper_english.txt". [2017-05-04 22:48:42] Startup - updater built Jun 16 2014 11:16:02 Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[20:50] <bambooli> now i am confused between chown and chmod
[20:50] <steaminstall> What can i do?
[20:53] <bambooli> Ben64, i don't want to contradict you but i don't think the default permissions let everyone read (i remember last time i did it with EXT4 everything seemed fine UNTIL i tried to open the files from another computer)
[20:54] <bambooli> i could not open them
[20:54] <Ben64> default for files is 644, default for directories is 755
[20:55] <bambooli> but even the files that were not in a directory i could not open
[20:56] <bambooli> the whole disk was locked
[20:56] <bambooli> that's why this time i was afraid to do EXT4 (even though it is much better as it does not give all those invalid filename errors that FAT gives)
[20:57] <bambooli> much better IF AND ONLY IF i can access the files letter...
[20:57] <bambooli> later i mean (not letter)
[20:58] <zealsham_> how do you learn to use ssh
[20:59] <zealsham_> i signed up for a job as a programmer but am forced to do sys admin stuff, how do i learn to set up and configure ssh to use for my private git server on ubuntu server
[21:00] <onomatopiea> What's the best way to configure ubuntu script wise?
[21:01] <onomatopiea> I want to configure: wake on lan, power options (sleep, etc)
[21:04] <bambooli> Ben64, thanks for your help, sorry for mybeginnerness
[21:06] <satanejo> hi, I have a problem with a radeon 4330 and with the modprobe modeset=1 it gets the right resolution and then it shut downs suddenly
[21:07] <bambooli> instead of doing every time [sudo chown -R (user name) /dev/(device name) (ubuntu)] is it possible to set the external disk (EXT4) from the beginning to be accessible for all?
[21:08] <bambooli> this is what i am trying to understand
[21:09] <bambooli> maybe i can do the permission settings right from the beginning, and then there will be no permission problems later
[21:09] <bambooli> without having to do chownchmod
[21:09] <bambooli> am i on the right path?
[21:10] <nacc> bambooli: chown -R on a dev node makes no sense
[21:10] <nacc> bambooli: that's the kernel's view of a physical device
[21:11] <nacc> bambooli: it's not mounted, so recursing is wrong
[21:11] <nacc> bambooli: and all you're doing is changing the permissions on the devnode
[21:11] <bambooli> nacc, thanks, how do you set the external drive (EXT4) so that later i will not get the permissions problem (on other computers)?
[21:12] <bambooli> i mean so that i will be able to plug it in and averything will work right away
[21:12] <nacc> bambooli: well, the permissions problems arise by how it is mounted on each computer
[21:12] <nacc> bambooli: you can't prevent that
[21:12] <bambooli> can you not tell the guy to just allow everybody?
[21:12] <nacc> bambooli: i guess you could make everything world +rwx on the filesystem, but that is a hack and working around a broken model
[21:13] <bambooli> what is the command to do that +rwx on the filesystem?
[21:14] <bambooli> what do you mean broken model?
[21:14] <nacc> bambooli: your mental model of how an external disk works seems broken
[21:14] <axujen> hello, i keep trying to install the minimal cd image but i keep running into the error could not find any live images when trying to install the system
[21:14] <axujen> any ideas?
[21:15] <onomatopiea> It's looking all good now nacc :) Ubutu is all setup etc etc.. Some tweaking required but it's a good start
[21:15] <bambooli> nacc, sorry i am a beginner (guess beginners should be put in jail)
[21:17] <onomatopiea> What does it mean when my ubuntu 16.04  lock screen is blue with some rat image on it?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> axujen: EFI system ? As minimal does not support out of the box .
[21:18] <ChaiTRex> onomatopiea: Did you install Xubuntu?
[21:18] <onomatopiea> ChaiTRex: Yes
[21:18] <ChaiTRex> onomatopiea: Well, that changed the image.
[21:18] <onomatopiea> ChaiTRex: It has never done this on my laptop.. Just this other machine
[21:18] <onomatopiea> It's usualy that purple ish colour
[21:18] <axujen> Bashing-om, im not really sure if its EFI
[21:19] <axujen> it does boot it without any problems
[21:19] <axujen> only at the install system step does it fail
[21:20] <nacc> onomatopiea: sounds like you are using xfce
[21:20] <onomatopiea> ok. I suspect when I was trying to get VNC working
[21:21] <nacc> bambooli: if you put a filesystem on an external disk, and you want it to 'just work' everywhere, regardless of user, you need to do some permissions changing
[21:21] <Bashing-om> axujen: Still, bed to know if EFI . maybe boot up as ccsm ?? - If it is a EFI system there are external means to install minimal .
[21:22] <bambooli> nacc, yes that's what i want, will you help me please?
[21:22] <bambooli> i want it to just work everywhere
[21:23] <bambooli> without having to do stuff from terminal every time
[21:24] <bambooli> i want to get done with it one time in the beginning and never again
[21:25] <bambooli> so i have and EXT4 external usb disk, and then i must give some permissions command, but what exactly?
[21:26] <bambooli> a user before said something about 644 everything
[21:26] <bambooli> nacc, 644 the whole disk?
[21:26] <nacc> bambooli: mount the ext4 disk and run `cd <mountpoint>; sudo chmod -R <permissions>`
[21:27] <nacc> bambooli: do you understand what 644 gives you?
[21:27] <bambooli> not sure
[21:27] <bambooli> possibility to read everything?
[21:28] <bambooli> do you mean mount it now?
[21:28] <bambooli> not here with me now
[21:28] <nacc> bambooli: yes, you need to change the actual filesystem
[21:29] <nacc> bambooli: 644 means owner has read-write, group have read and others have read
[21:29] <bambooli> let's do read-write for everybody
[21:29] <bambooli> what is the command?
[21:30] <nacc> bambooli: note that mount-level permissions are still applied, as are possible fstab rules
[21:31] <bambooli> nacc, i dont know what that means
[21:31] <auronandace> bambooli: can you trust every computer you will be plugging your drive into? if the answer is no then you don't want read-write access for everyone
[21:31] <nacc> bambooli: the permissions on the mountpoint where you mount the disk each time matters, and fstab user= or group= options can change who can read/write a mounted disk
[21:32] <callum_> Can someone help me with my sound?
[21:32] <nacc> bambooli: again, I don't think you've really thought this through
[21:32] <callum_> please <:)
[21:32] <bambooli> i just want it to be as easy as it was before with windows
[21:32] <bambooli> without going back to windows
[21:32] <zealsham_> can i use putty on ubuntu or i must use Cl
[21:33] <nacc> zealsham_: why do you need putty?
[21:33] <satanejo> anyone knows something about radeon drivers?
[21:33] <nacc> zealsham_: putty is available in ubuntu
[21:33] <bambooli> nacc, why did this permissions problem not exist in windows?
[21:34] <nacc> bambooli: because you weren't using ext4 then?
[21:34] <nacc> bambooli: and windows permissions are totally different than linux?
[21:34] <zealsham_> nacc: putty seems to make ssh easier
[21:35] <bambooli> nacc, windows is more easy, that's why it dominates
[21:35] <nacc> !ot | bambooli
[21:36] <nacc> bambooli: not really topical, you are free to use windows
[21:36] <nacc> zealsham_: as you wish, putty is available in ubuntu, but ssh is pretty easy to use :) (ssh user@host)
[21:37] <zealsham_> nacc: someone suggested learning ssh from man pages
[21:37] <bambooli> nacc, i dont want to use windows, i want open source to win, don't you want that too?
[21:37] <nacc> bambooli: as i said, you are offtopic
[21:37] <nacc> bambooli: please read the faq from ubottu and respect the channel guidelines please
[21:38] <nacc> zealsham_: i mean, if you're using putty, imo, you're probably not doing anything too fancy with ssh :)
[21:38] <nacc> zealsham_: but that might be my disdain for GUIs :)
[21:39] <zealsham_> i actually love using the commandline,  but am new to ssh,. signed up for a programmer job , but am asked to do sys admin stuff as well
[21:40] <bambooli> ok i will just go and do some practice with these horrible filepermissions...
[21:40] <nacc> zealsham_: i don't know what options you used with putty, etc. But you can just `ssh <user>@<host>`
[21:40] <bambooli> thanks everybody
[21:41] <ChaiTRex> zealsham_: When you have some free time, ssh (the command-line tool) is pretty nice.
[21:41] <zealsham_> nacc: am actually asking about how to set ssh up
[21:41] <nacc> zealsham_: ssh client or ssh sever?
[21:41] <nacc> *server
[21:43] <zealsham_> nacc: i dont really know the difference between those two. i just want to have acess to a remote machine hosting a server
[21:43] <nacc> zealsham_: is the remote server running linux?
[21:44] <zealsham_> nacc: yes, ubuntu
[21:44] <nacc> zealsham_: `sudo apt install openssh-server`
[21:44] <nacc> zealsham_: on the server
[21:44] <nacc> zealsham_: it's probably installed by default, if it's a normal server install
[21:44] <nacc> zealsham_: and then on your ubuntu client, `sudo apt install openssh-client`
[21:45] <nacc> zealsham_: then on your client, `ssh <username on remote server@<remote server hostname>`
[21:46] <zealsham_> nacc: thanks i think that will go a long way
[21:48] <texla> Is it possible to install a printer server on 2 Ubuntu-16.04.2 if one unit is hardwired and the other is wifi. The units utilize a Sagen Router.
[21:55] <tekisui> hola
[21:55] <tekisui> uefi boot is good for linux ?
[21:58] <nacc> tekisui: that question doesn't really make sense
[21:58] <tekisui> in bios
[21:58] <tekisui> there is legacy suport or uefi
[21:58] <tekisui> solly am used to dos 6.22
[21:58] <nacc> tekisui: are you asking if ubuntu can boot under uefi?
[21:58] <tekisui> with norton commander
[21:58] <tekisui> da
[21:59] <tekisui> well it works so it seems
[21:59] <tekisui> but have 2 extra errors
[21:59] <nacc> tekisui: yes, of course it works
[21:59] <tekisui> i red something of efi
[21:59] <tekisui> legacy better ?
[21:59] <tekisui> i should format windows -_-
[21:59] <tekisui> skimmy programm
[21:59] <nacc> tekisui: 'better' doesn't make sense -- you either boot in uefi or legacy mode
[21:59] <tekisui> it doesn matter ?
[21:59] <nacc> tekisui: if you installed windows in uefi mode, you must install and boot ubuntu in the same
[22:00] <tekisui> ahh ok
[22:00] <tekisui> merci :)
[22:20] <__raven__> hi
[22:20] <__raven__> any chance to get an old video card called "optibase mpeg9500 bpc1907A" ready for capturing video?
[22:21] <xiusfist> why does my computer say something about clean blocks when starting up? is that some sort of file system integrity check or something?
[22:22] <pavlos> xiusfist: yes, it does a file system check (fsck)
[22:23] <xiusfist> pavlos: isnt that bad to run that at each startup? won't that cause wear on the hard drive?
[22:24] <tomreyn> __raven__: not very likely. but it's not possible to tell for sure unless you know the pci id
[22:24] <babahulk> hi all
[22:24] <tomreyn> + hardware version, if there are multiple
[22:25] <babahulk> Having an issue with my install being unstable.  Running 16.04, ran boot repair and it says boot far from start of drive so may be missed and recommends a boot paritition
[22:25] <babahulk> but it doesnt give me a pastebin just paste2.org
[22:27] <pavlos> xiusfist: no, it is good to have the fs checked to make sure there are no issues. See 'man fsck'
[22:28] <_john> I am trying investigate why ubuntu 17.04 mate froze at a low level
[22:28] <_john> urb mouse froze ps2 serial keyboard froze video froze
[22:29] <compdoc> babahulk, it ran fine before?
[22:29] <_john> I unplugged the usb and plugged it back in to see if the motherboard and usb service in linux is starting usb powering usb but nothing no light on usb mouse
[22:29] <babahulk> it was good until yesterday
[22:29] <babahulk> I changed partitions a while ago
[22:30] <babahulk> then I rebooted yesterday finally
[22:30] <compdoc> hmm
[22:30] <babahulk> and couldnt boot
[22:30] <babahulk> had to change bios again and got in
[22:30] <babahulk> but want to backup
[22:30] <compdoc> well, first thing to check is the drive's SMART
[22:30] <babahulk> and check if theres issues
[22:30] <compdoc> boot the ubuntu desktop dvd
[22:31] <babahulk> Is there a way to change permission of an external hard drive so I can backup there first?
[22:31] <dannyLopez> Hi.
[22:32] <Jordan_U> babahulk: What filesystem is used on the external? How did you mount the partition on the external drive?
[22:34] <ooo>  /join #luajit
[22:34] <_john> where do I start doing stability testing. I don't want to heat up all 4 cores in my i7
[22:34] <ooo> lol
[22:34] <_john> I doubt it is a hardware issue
[22:35] <babahulk> @Jordan_U It says HFS+
[22:35] <babahulk> and I have no idea what it means
[22:35] <Jordan_U> babahulk: That is Apple's filesystem for OSX. You cannot write to in from GNU/Linux unless you remove journaling support from the filesystem (which is something I think you need OSX to do, but I'm not certain of that).
[22:36] <babahulk> ah that woud make sense
[22:36] <babahulk> I guess I have to figure out what to do with it
[22:36] <dStruct> babahulk: I was just about to say what Jordan_U said, so yes it's an Apple OSX f/s
[22:36] <_john> you can't boot with journaling disabled on osx unless you did it from terminal in osx
[22:37] <_john> so no
[22:37] <dStruct> babahulk: I just popped into this conversation, what are you trying to do?
[22:37] <dStruct> babahulk: if you don't care about whatever data is already on the external disk, you can just wipe it and format it however you like?
[22:38] <babahulk> I would like to keep the data and put he backup there with it
[22:39] <Jordan_U> babahulk: What problems are you having specifically? Unless you have had problems with completely failing to boot then you can ignore boot repair's warning as it is not causing whatever problems you're having. Most computers do not need a separate /boot/ partition.
[22:39] <babahulk> I guess I wanted to make sure I won't have any issues in the future and just wanted to create a backup in case I screw something up in the future
[22:40] <babahulk> And since I got the error message I thought I had to do something to fix it
[22:40] <_john> I read online that you can disable journaling for external HFS+ volumes
[22:40] <dStruct> babahulk: if the HFS+ is partitioned to consume the entire disk you won't be able to do that, you could (if you had access to a Mac) backup the external somewhere, re-partition the disk smaller, and put the existing data back on it if you really wanted to
[22:41] <babahulk> tthat sounds like a good plan dstruc
[22:41] <babahulk> thank you
[22:41] <dStruct> babahulk: any time :D
[22:42] <onomatopiea> I'm using ubuntu 16.04 and unity. Is there an easy way to get a remote session (VNC?) onto the box remotely?
[22:42] <onomatopiea> I want ot be able to see what I see through the HDMI out on a remote machine as well
[22:42] <dStruct> onomatopiea: there are lots of ways, if you're trying to connect into said machine you can simply turn on the built in vnc server, or you can use something like remina to connect out
[22:43] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I've been trying vncserver
[22:43] <_john> another tip for mac users if you have an empty or new external drive you should format from osx and setup time machine now not later
[22:43] <_john> or you will not be using time machine at all
[22:43] <onomatopiea> But it's not been working as expected tbh. I've had different desktop/environments each time
[22:44] <dStruct> onomatopiea: it should be built into unity, you just have to use I think it's unity tweak tool or dconf to turn it on and set the settings
[22:44] <dStruct> onomatopiea: it's referred to as "Desktop Sharing" afaik
[22:45] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I'll see how that goes thanks! I'll see if I can set it via ssh
[22:45] <dStruct> onomatopiea: I'm not sure how you could set it up via SSH, I'm sure it could be done.  you're configuring a remote machine so you can connect into VNC?
[22:45] <_john> I had difficulty with vnc in ubuntu 16.04 with unity not knowing what settings to use
[22:45] <_john> its more than just hit go
[22:46] <dStruct> _john: I have the default desktop sharing turn on and use it from various other linux distros, mainly using Remina and it works great even over wifi
[22:46] <gslight> did you guys have an explanation?  http://screencloud.net/v/E8bsh
[22:46] <s4t0r1> URL Found: Screenshot at 15:46:25 | ScreenCloud
[22:46] <gslight> pm/notice me or call or text me
[22:46] <onomatopiea> dStruct: Yes. I have a laptop that has a smashed keybord. The plan is to tuck it away..
[22:46] <gslight> i'm not busy
[22:46] <nacc> !spam | gsilvapt
[22:46] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I have hdmi out hooked up t the tv, but to be able to VNC onto it would help too
[22:46] <nacc> gsilvapt: sorry, they left!
[22:47] <gsilvapt> I was spamming? What?
[22:47] <_john> I was trying to tell someone over the phone how to config a vnc connection and I had no idea
[22:47] <_john> I had ip and port the rest was over my head
[22:47] <nacc> gsilvapt: sorry, you weren't, gslight was
[22:48] <dStruct> onomatopiea: oh I found it, the icon is under the launcher called Desktop Sharing which is the normal way to set it up, and dconf editor has extra options if you need them, where and how it works on the backend you'll have to google
[22:48] <nacc> gsilvapt: and i hit <tab><enter> too quickly
[22:48] <_john> the client was not on ubuntu so
[22:49] <gsilvapt> Ah, I see. No problem!
[22:49] <roothorick> I'm at a loss on how to troubleshoot this. gnome-shell crashes when certain games are launched, but only sometimes, and I can't for the life of me see a pattern
[22:50] <dStruct> onomatopiea: fwiw, a keyboard for a laptop is usually very cheap and easy to replace, you might consider that as another option, or plug in an external usb keyboard temporarily just to set up vnc
[22:50] <roothorick> in the journal it looks like it fails to create a buffer or the buffer is corrupt?
[22:52] <onomatopiea> dStruct: Sure, but I also want it scrupted
[22:52] <_john> what can cause a 4790K to feeze all I/O? I am booting ubuntu 17.04 in UEFI everything works great only one freeze ever and it was totally frozen
[22:52] <dStruct> onomatopiea: if you enable desktop sharing via unity it will automatically start with each boot
[22:52] <_john> I think an interrupt or halt
[22:53] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I want the entire (or as much as possible) of the install to be scripted
[22:53] <dStruct> _john: I have a 17.04 machine as well, love it so far, no issues
[22:53] <_john> but I don't think there are a lot of things that have full control over all hardware to behave like IRQ DMA from 1990
[22:53] <dStruct> onomatopiea: what install?
[22:53] <_john> yeah it is the best linux distro ever
[22:53] <onomatopiea> The install of the laptop
[22:53] <_john> full hardware support
[22:53] <_john> working package manager
[22:53] <dStruct> onomatopiea: ahh so you don't even have Ubuntu on the lappy yet?
[22:54] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I do :) But I like to make it easy to flatten it
[22:54] <_john> I have been in and out of linux for many years but I always ran into problems where I had to build packages or test packages, add repos, fix grub, fix broken kernel updates etc..
[22:55] <_john> it was never as easy as windows install and driver install with windows in the 1990's
[22:55] <dStruct> onomatopiea: honestly it can be done, the Openstack guys have full blown head-less installs etc, but if you have a working display, I would just connect a regular usb keyboard and/or mouse to it and install normally, it's way easier
[22:55] <_john> I tried red hat but it was so different from a lot of stuff based on debian
[22:56] <scar> does anyone know how i could make an LDAP user an "Administrator" on local ubuntu 16.04 workstation?  i got LDAP auth setup following LDAPClientAuthentication document, but when i open the Users and Passwords applet on the workstation, it won't let me change the role from Standard to Administrator, even if i unlock the applet using the local admin account that was created during install... (the
[22:56] <scar> weird thing is that my LDAP account is shown as an administrator, maybe because i am part of LDAP "admin" group)
[22:57] <onomatopiea> dStruct: Easier sure, but I get to learn a bit more like this
[22:57] <onomatopiea> dStruct: I'm a windows dev so doing some basic linux work is fun
[22:58] <dStruct> onomatopiea: well in that case you may want to go look at how Openstack deploys their machines, they use netboot TFTP and images for the most part, not that Openstack would apply to what you're trying to do
[23:00] <kython> hi
[23:00] <onomatopiea> dStruct: ha this is interesting. I opened vnc on my lappy.. And I just keep getting the window in window in window effect
[23:00] <onomatopiea> Of my laptop, not the remote laptop :x
[23:01] <onomatopiea> I don't get it.
[23:01] <dStruct> onomatopiea: you vnc'd to yourself :D
[23:01] <onomatopiea> No I didn't though..
[23:02] <onomatopiea> Because I am literally typing in the correct address here
[23:02] <onomatopiea> wtf?
[23:02] <dannyLopez> I compile the client, but not work and show this https://pastebin.com/wViniAX2
[23:02] <dannyLopez> Any idea what happen this?
[23:03] <implite> Does anyone here know of a music player for ubuntu that i can use visual plugins with like I could with winamp and milkdrop
[23:03] <implite> ?
[23:04] <implite> does xmbc or something have this ability?
[23:04] <dStruct> dannyLopez: I don't even know what nextcloud is, but on the very last line did you see the part about "abstractcredentials.cpp:43 Error: User is empty!"
[23:04] <zhanx> i use winamp with wine
[23:04] <implite> i do also
[23:04] <implite> but i was wondering if there is a native software i could use
[23:05] <implite> linux
[23:05] <zhanx> not that i am aware of, but someone else might chime in
[23:05] <dannyLopez> dStruct: Dropbox alternative, but I configure all. :(
[23:08] <onomatopiea> Oh I give up. Maybe windows + RDP is just better
[23:08] <compdoc> tried x2go?
[23:09] <implite> I never had any issues using vnc
[23:09] <implite> just saying
[23:09] <implite> ...
[23:10] <vlt> onomatopiea: I'm using vnc for years now. No problems. What have you tried to accomplish?
[23:10] <latino31> where is include/configh in ubuntu?
[23:10] <implite> teamveiwer also works but i use vnc when ever i can
[23:10] <latino31> where is include/config.h in ubuntu?
[23:13] <onomatopiea> vlt: Basically, I want to be able to boot my ubuntu machine up and then access it via vnc
[23:13] <onomatopiea> vlt: I have tried to use desktop sharing (so connected via ssh -Y, vino-preferences, then running the vino-server.. Which is now causing me to just view the desktop from the local not remote machine)
[23:13] <implite> from inside your network?
[23:13] <vlt> onomatopiea: Doing this since 2006. At least. What have you tried so far?
[23:13] <implite> or outside?
[23:13] <onomatopiea> Inside my network
[23:14] <onomatopiea> I have this laptop, and the laptop in the other room which I am trying to connect to
[23:14] <vlt> onomatopiea: Have you tried vnc4server?
[23:14] <onomatopiea> hm I think I did, I forget what I tried earlier
[23:14] <onomatopiea> Will that just show me what is on the HDMI output?
[23:16] <vlt> onomatopiea: No, that will run a vncserver session you can configure in ~/.vnc/xsartup (or similar) and connect to.
[23:17] <vlt> onomatopiea: If you really want to connect to what is on an actual X server, use x11vnc.
[23:17] <Guy1524> hey guys, im trying to play gta V through wine but I have keyboard issue.  I have heard using an xbox controller solves the issue, but I do not have one, is there a way to map keyboard bindings to a fake xbox controller for this purpose?
[23:17] <implite> if your good at python you can make your own script to do this with vnc also ;)
[23:17] <vlt> onomatopiea: But in most cases (and if you have more than one user, of course) you want vncserver.
[23:18] <onomatopiea> Nope, just one user
[23:18] <onomatopiea> It's a media/kodi machine mostly
[23:18] <onomatopiea> I just want to be able to connect to it remotely ithout having to the use the TV, sometimes
[23:19] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: That sounds unlikely to be helpful. Try asking about your keyboard problem in #winehq, after you check the wine appdb entry for GTA V to see if a workaround for this issue is given there.
[23:20] <implite> having a networked tv tuner card is also nice so you can watch tv around the house
[23:20] <vlt> onomatopiea: Then I'd recommend vncserver.
[23:20] <Guy1524> Jordan_U: I have tried both of those options
[23:20] <Guy1524> I have been waiting for a fix from the winedb page for a month now
[23:20] <Guy1524> and I have tried to debug it myself
[23:21] <Guy1524> but steamapi64.dll blocks debugging
[23:22] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: Are you using the latest version of wine from here: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu ?
[23:22] <Guy1524> yes
[23:22] <Guy1524> I am using wine staging 2.7
[23:23] <Guy1524> this is an issue that affects everybody
[23:23] <Guy1524> I have seen somebody who was able to play the game with no problems using an xbox controller however
[23:25] <onomatopiea> vlt: Losing my mind here. Will give it a go tomorrow!
[23:25] <vlt> onomatopiea: Good luck!
[23:25] <onomatopiea> It is WAY past my bedtime anyways.
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: Are you sure that they were using wine rather than a VM with GPU passthrough?
[23:27] <Guy1524> 100% sure
[23:27] <Guy1524> I am able to get GTA V running myself through wine
[23:27] <Guy1524> just w/ the keyboard issue
[23:27] <Guy1524> https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42330
[23:30] <CarlFK> where is a ubuntu version of:   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-rc3-amd64-netinst.iso
[23:30] <CarlFK> really I want an iso that is about 700mb that has most of the .deb needed  for a -server install
[23:32] <Jordan_U> CarlFK: I don't think there is any official iso matching those requirements. You can however use the mini.iso, it just will require an internet connection during installation to grab packages.
[23:32] <CarlFK> 700 because that is what will fit on the 780g fs that you get when you dd this to a usb stick: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
[23:32] <Jordan_U> !minimal | CarlFK
[23:36] <CoderEurope> How do I add my freenode password to my HexChat Console ?
[23:37] <bazhang> CoderEurope, try #hexchat
[23:37] <Guy1524> if this raises any ideas, this text gets repeated constantly while running the game (GTAV): http://paste.ubuntu.com/24513913/
[23:37] <Guy1524> do you think this has to do w/ the issue?
[23:38] <CarlFK> Jordan_U: thanks - minimal is about what I am doing. sometimes the net connection isn't great so having most of the files local is handy.
[23:38] <bazhang> Guy1524, what does the appdb, and #winehq , the proper venue for this , say
[23:39] <bazhang> CarlFK, do you have more than a single linux machine
[23:39] <CarlFK> bazhang: umm. yes.
[23:40] <bazhang> CarlFK, then you can use something like aptoncd, or apt-mirror for that
[23:41] <CarlFK> bazhang: that's a little larger than a usb stick ;)
[23:42] <bazhang> CarlFK, how teensy weensy are your usb sticks
[23:42] <CarlFK> bazhang: I meant physically.  dragging a 2nd linux box around is cumbersome
[23:43] <bazhang> CarlFK, thus the aptoncd
[23:44] <JUSY> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbyGT7CwLB4
[23:44] <Jordan_U> CarlFK: Where does http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz fit into this picture? You say that's related to why you need a 700 MB image, but I don't understand why you're not just doing a normal Ubuntu server install from a USB.
[23:45] <bazhang> JUSY, why post that here
[23:46] <CarlFK> Jordan_U: I'm trying to mimic an existing procedure that uses debian
[23:47] <Jordan_U> CarlFK: Why? What is your end goal?
[23:47] <CarlFK> usb stick that sets up a dhcp/gateway box
[23:48] <Guy1524> bazhang: nothing really
[23:49] <Guy1524> we kind of all are waiting for a fix
[23:49] <CarlFK> I think the easy way forward is to put  the u-server.iso on a 2nd usb stick.  the installer searches all local media, so.. meh, 2 usb sticks no big deal
[23:49] <Guy1524> I would try to debug because i generally know how to program but steamapi64.dll is getting in my way
[23:51] <bazhang> Guy1524, ---> /join #winehq , the proper place to ask about individual games
[23:52] <Guy1524> k