-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [amd64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [armhf] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [arm64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [s390x] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [i386] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] | 00:13 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1 => 1.48.3-0ubuntu0.1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntugnome) | 08:03 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-3] (no packageset) | 08:25 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.8.1-3] | 09:20 | |
acheronuk | santa_: lol @ 'flying spaghetti monster' | 09:29 |
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* acheronuk things it looks like some sort of jellyfish | 09:30 | |
acheronuk | *thinks | 09:30 |
fossfreedom | jbicha: quick question - "build-essential" doesnt appear to be installed on UB's ISO - it is in Ubuntu GNOME - but I can't see the package in your seeds. How is build-essential installed? | 09:48 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) | 10:54 | |
jbicha | fossfreedom: hi, the answer is in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-gnome.artful/desktop :) | 12:26 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: kdb (artful-proposed/primary) [3.0.0-2] | 13:36 | |
fossfreedom | jbicha: ah - if I'm reading that right its pulled in as a recommendation of pkg-config ... gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps which is a seed | 13:41 |
jbicha | no, that's not quite right | 13:42 |
jbicha | (it's not -base-apps) | 13:43 |
acheronuk | jbicha: thanks for syncing kdb | 13:54 |
infinity | jbicha: Gross, why does gstreamer1.0-tools depend on pkg-config? | 17:32 |
infinity | That seems entirely unnecessary. | 17:33 |
infinity | fossfreedom: To be fair, your goal shouldn't be matching Ubuntu and GNOME in this case, but rather flaunting your superiority because we accidentally installed dev packages in a desktop ISO. :P | 17:33 |
jbicha | infinity: on the other hand, is there some value in installing build-essential by default? or is gcc+make enough? | 17:40 |
infinity | jbicha: There's no value in having a compiler installed by default at all. | 17:41 |
infinity | jbicha: The vast majority of users never need to compile anything. | 17:41 |
jbicha | what about dkms? should that at least be in 'live' ? | 17:44 |
infinity | jbicha: Why? | 17:45 |
infinity | jbicha: Any driver that needs dkms will depend on it. If the driver is in a seed, then dkms will be. We have no drivers in live. | 17:45 |
jbicha | ok, I added it to UG zesty because someone complained: bug 1681351 | 17:46 |
ubot5` | bug 1681351 in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not install build-essential by default" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681351 | 17:46 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) | 17:47 | |
infinity | Yeah, we have it by accident, not by design. | 17:47 |
infinity | And it seems no one cared to investigate the accident. | 17:47 |
infinity | ubuntu-desktop does Recommend gcc and make, but I'm not even sure that's sane anymore. That's a decade-old decision. | 17:48 |
infinity | And "normal users" were forced to compile software a lot more back then. | 17:48 |
infinity | Oh, actually, someone dropped that. :) | 17:49 |
infinity | Excellent. | 17:50 |
infinity | So, if we fixed gstreamer-tools, the compiler would drop right out. | 17:50 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) | 17:50 | |
jbicha | infinity: ok, have fun! :) | 17:52 |
jbicha | infinity: feel free to endorse if you want more help next time, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha/CoreDevApplication | 17:53 |
infinity | jbicha: Mind if I back that change out and comment on the bug? You're the only flavour that seeds build-essential. | 17:57 |
jbicha | infinity: I don't think we seed build-essential directly, fixing gst-tools should work for UG too | 17:58 |
infinity | jbicha: I could see a valid argument for putting dkms and build-essential in ship-live for all flavours, if we're worried about chickens and eggs for people trying to get weird drivers side-loaded, but there's no reason to have it on the installed system. | 17:58 |
infinity | jbicha: Oh, I misread the bug as "so I seeded it directly", but maybe you meant "I added some gstreamer stuff to my seeds". | 17:59 |
jbicha | the guy that complained was trying to build & install some proprietary broadcom wifi driver | 17:59 |
infinity | Yeah. A thing that approximately 0% of users do. | 18:00 |
infinity | And, if he was doing it with the archive version of the driver, the deps would be taken care of. | 18:00 |
jbicha | kubuntu, xubuntu, & studio recommend gcc+make | 18:01 |
jbicha | they probably just haven't merged with ubuntu's seed in a while | 18:01 |
infinity | Right, the inherited that from Ubuntu, and when laney fixed Ubuntu 2 years ago, he didn't fix others. :P | 18:01 |
infinity | s/the/they/ | 18:01 |
infinity | As an entirely side note, removing compilers also reduces your exposure to rootkits by nearly 100%. | 18:03 |
infinity | I had a honeypot system up with apache and some vulnerable webapps. Turns out that pretty much all exploits were distributed as source, not binaries. As soon as I removed my compiler, they all just fizzled. | 18:03 |
infinity | Lots of source sitting around in tmp directories, nothing actually executed. | 18:04 |
infinity | Rootkits, mass mail bouncers, etc. | 18:04 |
jbicha | dkms is in the live pool/ so maybe gcc+make need to be there too? | 18:06 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] | 18:21 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] | 18:21 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] | 18:21 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [sync] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 18:21 | |
jbicha | oh, I see in UG 16.10, gcc+make were in pool/ so that should work fine | 18:22 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:25 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:25 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:26 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [i386] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:27 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:28 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) | 18:28 | |
Laney | xnox: removals> not yet, Monday task for me | 19:14 |
infinity | jbicha: Yeah, ship-live is a superset of live is a superset of desktop. So, if a dep of ship-live falls out of desktop, it'll land in the pool instead. | 19:44 |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [i386] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] | 19:50 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nagios-plugins-stgraber.net (trusty-proposed/primary) [0.22] | 19:56 | |
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nagios-plugins-stgraber.net [source] (trusty-proposed) [0.22] | 22:12 |
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