/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/05/06/#ubuntu-release.txt

-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [amd64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [armhf] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [arm64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [s390x] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [i386] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]00:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1 => 1.48.3-0ubuntu0.1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntugnome)08:03
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-3] (no packageset)08:25
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.8.1-3]09:20
acheronuksanta_: lol @ 'flying spaghetti monster'09:29
* acheronuk things it looks like some sort of jellyfish09:30
acheronuk*thinks09:30
fossfreedomjbicha: quick question - "build-essential" doesnt appear to be installed on UB's ISO - it is in Ubuntu GNOME - but I can't see the package in your seeds.  How is build-essential installed?09:48
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)10:54
jbichafossfreedom: hi, the answer is in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-gnome.artful/desktop :)12:26
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: kdb (artful-proposed/primary) [3.0.0-2]13:36
fossfreedomjbicha: ah - if I'm reading that right its pulled in as a recommendation of pkg-config ... gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps which is a seed13:41
jbichano, that's not quite right13:42
jbicha(it's not -base-apps)13:43
acheronukjbicha: thanks for syncing kdb13:54
infinityjbicha: Gross, why does gstreamer1.0-tools depend on pkg-config?17:32
infinityThat seems entirely unnecessary.17:33
infinityfossfreedom: To be fair, your goal shouldn't be matching Ubuntu and GNOME in this case, but rather flaunting your superiority because we accidentally installed dev packages in a desktop ISO. :P17:33
jbichainfinity: on the other hand, is there some value in installing build-essential by default? or is gcc+make enough?17:40
infinityjbicha: There's no value in having a compiler installed by default at all.17:41
infinityjbicha: The vast majority of users never need to compile anything.17:41
jbichawhat about dkms? should that at least be in 'live' ?17:44
infinityjbicha: Why?17:45
infinityjbicha: Any driver that needs dkms will depend on it.  If the driver is in a seed, then dkms will be.  We have no drivers in live.17:45
jbichaok, I added it to UG zesty because someone complained: bug 168135117:46
ubot5`bug 1681351 in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not install build-essential by default" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168135117:46
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)17:47
infinityYeah, we have it by accident, not by design.17:47
infinityAnd it seems no one cared to investigate the accident.17:47
infinityubuntu-desktop does Recommend gcc and make, but I'm not even sure that's sane anymore.  That's a decade-old decision.17:48
infinityAnd "normal users" were forced to compile software a lot more back then.17:48
infinityOh, actually, someone dropped that. :)17:49
infinityExcellent.17:50
infinitySo, if we fixed gstreamer-tools, the compiler would drop right out.17:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)17:50
jbichainfinity: ok, have fun! :)17:52
jbichainfinity: feel free to endorse if you want more help next time, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha/CoreDevApplication17:53
infinityjbicha: Mind if I back that change out and comment on the bug?  You're the only flavour that seeds build-essential.17:57
jbichainfinity: I don't think we seed build-essential directly, fixing gst-tools should work for UG too17:58
infinityjbicha: I could see a valid argument for putting dkms and build-essential in ship-live for all flavours, if we're worried about chickens and eggs for people trying to get weird drivers side-loaded, but there's no reason to have it on the installed system.17:58
infinityjbicha: Oh, I misread the bug as "so I seeded it directly", but maybe you meant "I added some gstreamer stuff to my seeds".17:59
jbichathe guy that complained was trying to build & install some proprietary broadcom wifi driver17:59
infinityYeah.  A thing that approximately 0% of users do.18:00
infinityAnd, if he was doing it with the archive version of the driver, the deps would be taken care of.18:00
jbichakubuntu, xubuntu, & studio recommend gcc+make18:01
jbichathey probably just haven't merged with ubuntu's seed in a while18:01
infinityRight, the inherited that from Ubuntu, and when laney fixed Ubuntu 2 years ago, he didn't fix others. :P18:01
infinitys/the/they/18:01
infinityAs an entirely side note, removing compilers also reduces your exposure to rootkits by nearly 100%.18:03
infinityI had a honeypot system up with apache and some vulnerable webapps.  Turns out that pretty much all exploits were distributed as source, not binaries.  As soon as I removed my compiler, they all just fizzled.18:03
infinityLots of source sitting around in tmp directories, nothing actually executed.18:04
infinityRootkits, mass mail bouncers, etc.18:04
jbichadkms is in the live pool/ so maybe gcc+make need to be there too?18:06
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]18:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]18:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]18:21
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [sync] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]18:21
jbichaoh, I see in UG 16.10, gcc+make were in pool/ so that should work fine18:22
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:25
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:25
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:26
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [i386] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:27
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:28
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)18:28
Laneyxnox: removals> not yet, Monday task for me19:14
infinityjbicha: Yeah, ship-live is a superset of live is a superset of desktop.  So, if a dep of ship-live falls out of desktop, it'll land in the pool instead.19:44
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [i386] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]19:50
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nagios-plugins-stgraber.net (trusty-proposed/primary) [0.22]19:56
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nagios-plugins-stgraber.net [source] (trusty-proposed) [0.22]22:12

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