[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [amd64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [armhf] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [arm64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [s390x] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [i386] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1] [08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1 => 1.48.3-0ubuntu0.1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntugnome) [08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-3] (no packageset) [09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.8.1-3] [09:29] santa_: lol @ 'flying spaghetti monster' [09:30] * acheronuk things it looks like some sort of jellyfish [09:30] *thinks [09:48] jbicha: quick question - "build-essential" doesnt appear to be installed on UB's ISO - it is in Ubuntu GNOME - but I can't see the package in your seeds. How is build-essential installed? [10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) [12:26] fossfreedom: hi, the answer is in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-gnome.artful/desktop :) [13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: kdb (artful-proposed/primary) [3.0.0-2] [13:41] jbicha: ah - if I'm reading that right its pulled in as a recommendation of pkg-config ... gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps which is a seed [13:42] no, that's not quite right [13:43] (it's not -base-apps) [13:54] jbicha: thanks for syncing kdb [17:32] jbicha: Gross, why does gstreamer1.0-tools depend on pkg-config? [17:33] That seems entirely unnecessary. [17:33] fossfreedom: To be fair, your goal shouldn't be matching Ubuntu and GNOME in this case, but rather flaunting your superiority because we accidentally installed dev packages in a desktop ISO. :P [17:40] infinity: on the other hand, is there some value in installing build-essential by default? or is gcc+make enough? [17:41] jbicha: There's no value in having a compiler installed by default at all. [17:41] jbicha: The vast majority of users never need to compile anything. [17:44] what about dkms? should that at least be in 'live' ? [17:45] jbicha: Why? [17:45] jbicha: Any driver that needs dkms will depend on it. If the driver is in a seed, then dkms will be. We have no drivers in live. [17:46] ok, I added it to UG zesty because someone complained: bug 1681351 [17:46] bug 1681351 in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not install build-essential by default" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681351 [17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) [17:47] Yeah, we have it by accident, not by design. [17:47] And it seems no one cared to investigate the accident. [17:48] ubuntu-desktop does Recommend gcc and make, but I'm not even sure that's sane anymore. That's a decade-old decision. [17:48] And "normal users" were forced to compile software a lot more back then. [17:49] Oh, actually, someone dropped that. :) [17:50] Excellent. [17:50] So, if we fixed gstreamer-tools, the compiler would drop right out. [17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset) [17:52] infinity: ok, have fun! :) [17:53] infinity: feel free to endorse if you want more help next time, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha/CoreDevApplication [17:57] jbicha: Mind if I back that change out and comment on the bug? You're the only flavour that seeds build-essential. [17:58] infinity: I don't think we seed build-essential directly, fixing gst-tools should work for UG too [17:58] jbicha: I could see a valid argument for putting dkms and build-essential in ship-live for all flavours, if we're worried about chickens and eggs for people trying to get weird drivers side-loaded, but there's no reason to have it on the installed system. [17:59] jbicha: Oh, I misread the bug as "so I seeded it directly", but maybe you meant "I added some gstreamer stuff to my seeds". [17:59] the guy that complained was trying to build & install some proprietary broadcom wifi driver [18:00] Yeah. A thing that approximately 0% of users do. [18:00] And, if he was doing it with the archive version of the driver, the deps would be taken care of. [18:01] kubuntu, xubuntu, & studio recommend gcc+make [18:01] they probably just haven't merged with ubuntu's seed in a while [18:01] Right, the inherited that from Ubuntu, and when laney fixed Ubuntu 2 years ago, he didn't fix others. :P [18:01] s/the/they/ [18:03] As an entirely side note, removing compilers also reduces your exposure to rootkits by nearly 100%. [18:03] I had a honeypot system up with apache and some vulnerable webapps. Turns out that pretty much all exploits were distributed as source, not binaries. As soon as I removed my compiler, they all just fizzled. [18:04] Lots of source sitting around in tmp directories, nothing actually executed. [18:04] Rootkits, mass mail bouncers, etc. [18:06] dkms is in the live pool/ so maybe gcc+make need to be there too? [18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] [18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] [18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1] [18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [sync] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [18:22] oh, I see in UG 16.10, gcc+make were in pool/ so that should work fine [18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [i386] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset) [19:14] xnox: removals> not yet, Monday task for me [19:44] jbicha: Yeah, ship-live is a superset of live is a superset of desktop. So, if a dep of ship-live falls out of desktop, it'll land in the pool instead. [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [i386] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2] [19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nagios-plugins-stgraber.net (trusty-proposed/primary) [0.22] [22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nagios-plugins-stgraber.net [source] (trusty-proposed) [0.22]