[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [amd64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [armhf] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [arm64] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [s390x] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted x265 [i386] (artful-proposed) [2.4-1]
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.48.2-0ubuntu0.1 => 1.48.3-0ubuntu0.1] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntugnome)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-3] (no packageset)
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slimit [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.8.1-3]
[09:29] <acheronuk> santa_: lol @ 'flying spaghetti monster'
[09:30]  * acheronuk things it looks like some sort of jellyfish
[09:30] <acheronuk> *thinks
[09:48] <fossfreedom> jbicha: quick question - "build-essential" doesnt appear to be installed on UB's ISO - it is in Ubuntu GNOME - but I can't see the package in your seeds.  How is build-essential installed?
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:26] <jbicha> fossfreedom: hi, the answer is in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-gnome.artful/desktop :)
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: kdb (artful-proposed/primary) [3.0.0-2]
[13:41] <fossfreedom> jbicha: ah - if I'm reading that right its pulled in as a recommendation of pkg-config ... gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps which is a seed
[13:42] <jbicha> no, that's not quite right
[13:43] <jbicha> (it's not -base-apps)
[13:54] <acheronuk> jbicha: thanks for syncing kdb
[17:32] <infinity> jbicha: Gross, why does gstreamer1.0-tools depend on pkg-config?
[17:33] <infinity> That seems entirely unnecessary.
[17:33] <infinity> fossfreedom: To be fair, your goal shouldn't be matching Ubuntu and GNOME in this case, but rather flaunting your superiority because we accidentally installed dev packages in a desktop ISO. :P
[17:40] <jbicha> infinity: on the other hand, is there some value in installing build-essential by default? or is gcc+make enough?
[17:41] <infinity> jbicha: There's no value in having a compiler installed by default at all.
[17:41] <infinity> jbicha: The vast majority of users never need to compile anything.
[17:44] <jbicha> what about dkms? should that at least be in 'live' ?
[17:45] <infinity> jbicha: Why?
[17:45] <infinity> jbicha: Any driver that needs dkms will depend on it.  If the driver is in a seed, then dkms will be.  We have no drivers in live.
[17:46] <jbicha> ok, I added it to UG zesty because someone complained: bug 1681351
[17:46] <ubot5`> bug 1681351 in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not install build-essential by default" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681351
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:47] <infinity> Yeah, we have it by accident, not by design.
[17:47] <infinity> And it seems no one cared to investigate the accident.
[17:48] <infinity> ubuntu-desktop does Recommend gcc and make, but I'm not even sure that's sane anymore.  That's a decade-old decision.
[17:48] <infinity> And "normal users" were forced to compile software a lot more back then.
[17:49] <infinity> Oh, actually, someone dropped that. :)
[17:50] <infinity> Excellent.
[17:50] <infinity> So, if we fixed gstreamer-tools, the compiler would drop right out.
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:52] <jbicha> infinity: ok, have fun! :)
[17:53] <jbicha> infinity: feel free to endorse if you want more help next time, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha/CoreDevApplication
[17:57] <infinity> jbicha: Mind if I back that change out and comment on the bug?  You're the only flavour that seeds build-essential.
[17:58] <jbicha> infinity: I don't think we seed build-essential directly, fixing gst-tools should work for UG too
[17:58] <infinity> jbicha: I could see a valid argument for putting dkms and build-essential in ship-live for all flavours, if we're worried about chickens and eggs for people trying to get weird drivers side-loaded, but there's no reason to have it on the installed system.
[17:59] <infinity> jbicha: Oh, I misread the bug as "so I seeded it directly", but maybe you meant "I added some gstreamer stuff to my seeds".
[17:59] <jbicha> the guy that complained was trying to build & install some proprietary broadcom wifi driver
[18:00] <infinity> Yeah.  A thing that approximately 0% of users do.
[18:00] <infinity> And, if he was doing it with the archive version of the driver, the deps would be taken care of.
[18:01] <jbicha> kubuntu, xubuntu, & studio recommend gcc+make
[18:01] <jbicha> they probably just haven't merged with ubuntu's seed in a while
[18:01] <infinity> Right, the inherited that from Ubuntu, and when laney fixed Ubuntu 2 years ago, he didn't fix others. :P
[18:01] <infinity> s/the/they/
[18:03] <infinity> As an entirely side note, removing compilers also reduces your exposure to rootkits by nearly 100%.
[18:03] <infinity> I had a honeypot system up with apache and some vulnerable webapps.  Turns out that pretty much all exploits were distributed as source, not binaries.  As soon as I removed my compiler, they all just fizzled.
[18:04] <infinity> Lots of source sitting around in tmp directories, nothing actually executed.
[18:04] <infinity> Rootkits, mass mail bouncers, etc.
[18:06] <jbicha> dkms is in the live pool/ so maybe gcc+make need to be there too?
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [amd64] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-7-cross-ports [i386] (artful-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [sync] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[18:22] <jbicha> oh, I see in UG 16.10, gcc+make were in pool/ so that should work fine
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [i386] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed/none) [3.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[19:14] <Laney> xnox: removals> not yet, Monday task for me
[19:44] <infinity> jbicha: Yeah, ship-live is a superset of live is a superset of desktop.  So, if a dep of ship-live falls out of desktop, it'll land in the pool instead.
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [amd64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [armhf] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [ppc64el] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [arm64] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [s390x] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kdb [i386] (artful-proposed) [3.0.0-2]
[19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nagios-plugins-stgraber.net (trusty-proposed/primary) [0.22]
[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected nagios-plugins-stgraber.net [source] (trusty-proposed) [0.22]