[00:55] <lucas-arg> is it ok to use 16.04 or its better to use 17.04?
[01:04] <diego__> hola
[01:04] <lucas-arg> que haces diego
[01:05] <diego__> probando el cht
[01:05] <mparillo> lucas-arg: If you do not mind re-installing more frequently, I would go with 17.04
[01:05] <diego__> chat de kubuntu
[01:05] <diego__>  no sabia que existia
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> lucas-arg, 16.04 has the most mature packages. If you want "cutting edge" and don't mind things breaking, 17.04 is your goal...
[01:05] <lucas-arg> so if i need a really stable rock solid system for daily use
[01:05] <lucas-arg> 16.04
[01:06] <YankDownUnder> 16.04 will be a nice, solid DAILY OS...happy as a clam.
[01:07] <lucas-arg> ok i got it
[01:07] <diego__> en que version estan
[01:07] <diego__> en la 14.04 o 16.04?
[01:07] <lucas-arg> only thing is that it takes alitle of time to shut down
[01:07] <lucas-arg> yo estoy en la 16.04.2 LTS
[01:07] <diego__> a mi me gustaba mas el kde viejo, como que la onda de los iconos planos en plasma tanto no me gusta
[01:08] <diego__> es que la onda flat esta de moda
[01:08] <diego__> te mande un privado lucas-arg
[01:11] <diego__> yo me cambie por el kernel actualizado
[01:11] <diego__> pero me gusta mas la estetica de kde 4
[01:11] <lucas-arg> si me das a elegir, preferia kde 3
[01:11] <diego__> igual se puede poner en modo "viejo" el plasma
[01:11] <lucas-arg> jaja
[01:11] <diego__> kde3 lo usa
[01:11] <diego__> q4os
[01:11] <diego__> esta bueno si tenes un equipo viejo
[01:11] <diego__> ese entorno
[01:12] <diego__> igual ese sistema es para equipo viejos, pero anda muy bien
[01:14] <diego__> Alguien mas de argentina o que hable en Castellano? :P
[01:16] <deitarion> I'm on Kubuntu 14.04 and, ever since my last rebot, my GTK+ 2.0 applications are ignoring the font set in the GTK+ panel in System Settings (which I've confirmed to be what's in the ~/.gtkrc* files. How do I troubleshoot this?
[01:16] <deitarion> s/files\./files.)/
[01:16] <deitarion> s/rebot/reboot/
[01:16] <lucas-arg> deitarion, qt4-gtk thing must be installed
[01:17] <deitarion> lucas-arg: Why? The ~/.gtkrc* files are set correctly and that's enough under purely GTK+ desktops.
[01:17] <lucas-arg> deitarion, qt desktop will ignore that
[01:17] <diego__> :P
[01:19] <deitarion> lucas-arg: Ok, Would the "qt4-gtk thing" (I get no promising looking results from `apt-cache search qt | grep gtk`) be a dependency of the System Settings panel for manipulating GTK+ theming? ...because I have that installed and it's also being ignored.
[01:20] <lucas-arg> wait
[01:21] <deitarion> (Everything's set to use Ubuntu 11 but my GTK+ 2.x apps are using something that looks like it's about 9pt. and whatever the opposite of narrow/condensed is.)
[01:24] <deitarion> Also, while I' m here, does anyone know how to set the clock plasmoid to use "YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM" format? I've been forcing what I got used to on LXDE by having my right-hand monitor's panel stop a little short, then running xfpanel in the gap.
[01:25] <deitarion> (I think the problem was that the plasmoid tried to insist on a two-line layout.)
[01:33] <deitarion> Hmm. The GTK+ themes panel does appear to by dynamically updating the GTK+ fonts in some apps... but it seems that Ubuntu is broken somehow.
[01:34] <deitarion> (Changing the font to Oxygen-Sans, or changing the Oxygen-Sans size works, but the size is ignored when I select Ubuntu, leaving me with too-tiny fonts.)
[01:43] <deitarion> Bah. I'll just put everything on DejaVu Sans and get used to everything looking not quite right (again) until I can find time to upgrade to the next LTS by reinstalling the whole OS (again).
[01:52] <deitarion> Had to install a Thunderbird extension to manually replicate my new GTK+ font settings in it, but things seem decent-looking now.
[01:53] <deitarion> Not perfect, but, yet again, it's one of those "this is ugly but I lack the jargon knowledge to explain why" things that I encounter every time font rendering breaks.
[01:54] <deitarion> (This sort of nonsense is one of several reasons I go months and months between reboots. "It works. Don't **** with it!"
[01:55] <deitarion> )
[02:21] <deitarion> One other question. Is there a way to force `gtk-alternative-button-order = 0` other than either unchecking "Apply colors to non-KDE4 applications", manually overriding the gtkrc search path KDE tries to set, or manually editing the file KDE sticks on the end of the search path, setting `chattr +i`, and hoping KDE doesn't blow up?
[02:22] <deitarion> (ie. Is KDE's GTK+ integration really so un-KDE that it lumps "unify colors" and "meddle with my dialog button order" under the same toggle?)
[02:32] <deitarion> OK, this is clearly something broken in my font rendering system (because Vim's fonts are screwed up and it doesn't listen to GTK+'s font settings) and it's getting irritating to keep tripping over something I haven't fixed yet.
[02:33] <deitarion> I wonder if it has anything to do with my leftmost monitor (the one that's 17" 1280x1024 rather than 19" 1280x1024 like the other two) starting out at 1024x768 rather than the usual 1280x1024.
[02:35] <deitarion> Given that Vim doesn't have Ubuntu in its fallback chain, I can infer that this is a problem in the font system rather than the font, and that whatever's wrong is causing fonts to be rendered too small and too bold.
[02:36] <deitarion> ...which is groan-worthy because this sounds vaguely familiar. I think it's a heisenbug that has something to do with KDE's monitor handling randomly kicking in and overriding the settings in my /etx/X11/xorg.conf with disastrous results.
[02:38] <deitarion> Ugh. And, for some idiotic reason, it's also decided to offset my rightmost monitor 32px below the other two.
[02:41] <deitarion> I should just stop babying Dungeons of Dredmor and go back to my old faithful "use the nVidia drivers to lock the resolution and layout at the driver level." That's never failed me aside from Dredmor's broken assumption that all desirable windowed resolutions will show up in the list of available fullscreen resolutions.
[03:34] <deitarion> ...and I just realized that Plasma somehow decided, of its own volition, to make the panels 100% opaque despite compositing being on. (I normally use that as a cue Re: the state of my compositing toggle.)
[03:49] <deitarion> Hmm. I suspect part of the problem might be KDE's resolution "helper" mis-handling the fact that, since my last reboot, I had to replace one of my 19" 1280x1024 monitors with a 17" 1280x1024 monitor, resulting in a mixed-DPI environment.
[03:49] <deitarion> A supporting detail is that KDE applications look correct when I specify "Ubuntu 11" with "Force fonts DPI: 72" enabled.
[04:00] <deitarion> Hah! Found a fix. --> echo Xft.dpi: 96 | xrdb -merge
[04:03] <deitarion> I guess that's another line in my ~/.Xresources next to "TkTheme: clearlooks" (borrowed from PySolFC).
[07:13] <diego_> holaaa
[09:46] <silver_hook> I’m trying to connect to my Skype account via the default (Telepathy) client, but it complains about the haze Telepathy Connection Manager missing for skypeweb.
[09:46] <silver_hook> I checked and I do have telepathy-haze installed …what am I doing wrong?
 Hello, need an advice. What is most powerfull apps for video editing? … Cut, combine, split/merge, reduce file size, convert, effect, etc
[13:39] <rogueomega> So can someone help me understand Something
[13:40] <rogueomega> Why is it that live USB can eventually see I'm using proprietary drivers
[13:41] <rogueomega> On my MBA 2014
[13:41] <rogueomega> But after installation
[13:41] <rogueomega> It can't
[13:43] <rogueomega> Also why can't I just find a deb of my wireless driver and put it on a USN
[13:43] <rogueomega> Usb
[13:43] <rogueomega> From another computer that has internet
[13:44] <rogueomega> ????
[13:44] <flo_> @rogueomega: it's a bug see this for a solution https://askubuntu.com/questions/761429/kubuntu-16-04-driver-manager-broken
[13:46] <rogueomega> Thanks I'll try that
[13:47] <rogueomega> But any reason why there isn't a deb for drivers
[13:48] <rogueomega> This always boggled my mind
[13:53] <rogueomega> No one knows why ?
[13:55] <rogueomega> Look up my Wi-Fi device then go online and download that specific deb file ...too hard for debs?
[13:55] <rogueomega> Devs
 Seems no one answer me, my question. Guys, i am sorry for all my mistake. I decide to leave this group. Thanks for everything.
 Hi there  … I'm new in kubuntu and after I finish the installation I can login with my password  … Is there a way to resetting the password or I need to format again
 open user-manager, click on your username, then your username, then click in that password box. It will ask you for a new password and to verify it
 Thanks  … I will try
 oh, can't log in?
 Yeah
 if you have a password you can't recall, then you may need to re-install
 Ok thanks for your help
[16:52] <shahab> hello
[16:53] <shahab> how to upgrage kde 5.8.5 to 5.9 ?
 upgrade to kubuntu 17.04
[17:39] <MrSassyPants> apturl-> ImportError: No module named 'PyQt4.QtWebKit'
[17:39] <MrSassyPants> what do?
[17:45] <Guest5657> how do I delete repoes on kubuntu? I can't find the one I'm trying to get rid of in sources.list it's google chrome i386
[17:45] <Guest5657> everytime I try to update it says google chrome i386 isn't supported for your system
[18:04] <oerheks> Guest5657, just disable the chrome entry in sources, as it never installed a i386 version, or use ppa-purge
[18:04] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[18:05] <mparillo> But that will actually remove Chrome, right?
[18:05] <Guest5657> mparillo; I can't install chrome I'm on a 32 bit system
[18:05] <Guest5657> and it's the wrong repo
[18:06] <mparillo> Ahh, sorry. I thought you had an old version still running and wanted to remove the nag.
[18:07] <mparillo> If you have trouble with ppa-purge, Muon Update Manager has a settings option in the lower left. Then you will see a sources option in the upper right. It will ask you for your sudo password, and you go to the other tab, and uncheck the google chrome repo.
[19:55] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, I am new with the KDE environment. Does anyone have a tutorial to use KMAIL (i want tu use my gmail account, and i was use to thunderbird).
[19:57] <diogenes_> tiyteeze, try man kmail
[19:58] <tiyteeze> diogenes_:  it is undocumented
[19:59] <diogenes_> then try google kmail :)
[20:02] <tiyteeze> diogenes_: yeah, it was my next step :p
[20:06] <mparillo> tiyteeze: This https://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_GMail was last updated in 2013, but might help.
[20:31] <denisdenis33> Hi :)
[20:32] <denisdenis33> Is there any way I can get latest KDE Plasma on kubuntu 14.04 without upgrading the OS?
[20:33] <denisdenis33> Can that be done?
[20:50] <mparillo> denisdenis33: I think the upgrade from Plasma 4 to 5 is not for the faint-of-heart