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[08:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[19:16] <danielthebague> !#ubuntu-touch
[19:16] <lubotu3> Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch . Support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch
[21:40] <diddledan> who saw this yet? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/04/uk_bulk_surveillance_powers_draft/
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen it discussed in more tin foil hat wearing channels...
[21:41]  * diddledan buffs his up
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> that you're still using tin foil and haven't upgraded to lead... *tsk*
[21:42] <diddledan> lead is dangerous. otherwise they wouldn't put it in the water supply
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> but it is as i see it only making legal what we know/suspect what the various spy agencies have been doing for decades
[21:46] <diddledan> I don't think that makes it any better
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> makes it legal :-)
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> you can always drag your government to the eu courts... :-P
[21:47] <diddledan> Not once brexit is done
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> you've got 2 years to get it done :-)
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> ...or come up with an unbreakable encryption system
[21:54] <diddledan> I'll get right on that
[21:55] <diddledan> iOS prediction is weird when you just blindly accept whatever it suggests without typing anything
[21:55] <diddledan> E.g.
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> or get 2-3 mates and swap blocks of text with to drive them nuts :-) xsdub asdoe asdkj asdje werlo
[21:55] <diddledan> I'm gonna go for it and I'll have a bad time
[21:56] <diddledan> That was entire iOS
[21:56] <diddledan> Entirely
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> the first thing i do when i get a tablet or phone with touchscreen is kill autosuggest/correct
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> hate it hate it hate it
[21:57] <diddledan> Apparently my phone wants me to say "I'm a bad guy"
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's why i love my nokia e63... i can tap out text on that ancient bugger super quick
[21:57] <diddledan> I'm gonna go for it but it's gonna go bad but it's gonna go on the worst day ever man and I'll always have a good day
[21:57] <diddledan> Seriously whacked!
[21:57] <ali1234> i want to make a program that makes all the voice assistants talk to each other, modulo autosuggest for each platform
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> another thing i cannot abide... a microphone always listening... and now amazon is adding a camera to a version of their echos
[21:58] <diddledan> Good idea, ali1234
[21:58] <ali1234> you know none of them constantly stream to the cloud right?
[21:59] <ali1234> that's why you have to press a button on the raspberry pi versions of google and amazon
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> if i used a voice assistant i'd want a clapper in front of it to turn it on... clap your hands twice and _then_ it turns the microphone on...
[21:59] <ali1234> they didn't release the thing that detects "okay google" because it is done locally
[21:59] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: even better is the amazon camera is built to perve on you getting dressed and undressed
[21:59] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: the google voice one has that
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> but it's doing it in software i'll bet and not hardware like the clapper light switch from the 70s
[22:00] <ali1234> it isn't functionally different to saying "okay google", it is just easier to program
[22:00] <ali1234> yes it is done in software
[22:00] <ali1234> but it also supports a button
[22:00] <ali1234> so does the amazon sdk
[22:00] <ali1234> actually the amazon one only supports a button
[22:01] <ali1234> it turns out you can run that raspberry pi stuff on ubuntu unmodified btw
[22:01] <diddledan> Not all droids can do okay google activation so require button activation
[22:01] <ali1234> its written in python
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> i don't want software in charge of the button... that can be bypassed. hardware is much harder to /hack/ remotely http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1820747
[22:02] <diddledan> Now who's tin foiling?!
[22:02] <ali1234> well then you would need to make the button power on the pi and wait for it to boot up before making your request
[22:02] <ali1234> that would probably be doable in about 2 seconds at best
[22:02] <diddledan> A pi takes longer than that. Much longer
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> i'll openly admit to wearing tin foil hats... but then i'm in ireland were you could at one point bid on english spying equipment that sinn fein used to put up on an auction site after finding it in their cars/offices and homes
[22:03] <diddledan> More like 30seconds or more
[22:03] <ali1234> only if your distro is really rubbish
[22:07] <ali1234> ./googlesamples-assistant -i 1.wav -o 2.wav && aplay 2.wav && ./googlesamples-assistant -i 2.wav -o 1.wav && aplay 1.wav
[22:08] <ali1234> quickly degenerates to "sorry, i'm not sure how to help with that" after like 3 iterations