| Trevinho | so quiet this morning... | 07:52 |
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| Trevinho | your morning :-) | 07:53 |
| oSoMoN | good morning! | 07:55 |
| Laney | hey | 08:02 |
| willcooke | morning Laney | 08:02 |
| oSoMoN | hi Laney, willcooke | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey willcooke | 08:03 |
| Laney | good trip back? | 08:03 |
| Laney | hi oSoMoN | 08:03 |
| willcooke | morning oSoMoN | 08:04 |
| Laney | how are you? | 08:04 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:04 |
| Laney | so glad for tab completion with your nick | 08:04 |
| oSoMoN | I’m good, thanks :) | 08:04 |
| willcooke | Laney, uneventful. I got upgraded on the way there becuase my TV was broken. Alas not on the way back. | 08:04 |
| Laney | can't win 'em all | 08:04 |
| Laney | hey davmor2 | 08:04 |
| * oSoMoN makes a note to complain next time I travel and the TV is broken | 08:05 | |
| oSoMoN | hey davmor2 | 08:05 |
| duflu | Morning UK | 08:09 |
| duflu | and Europe | 08:09 |
| willcooke | hey davmor2 & duflu | 08:10 |
| duflu | willcooke: Silly question: Is there any reason for having Pulse at all other than mixing and per-app volumne? Seems like a poor choice if it's those features vs decades of bugs | 08:10 |
| duflu | *volume | 08:11 |
| willcooke | duflu, afaik it does some software sample rate conversions as well, but that might well be a hangover from the bad old days. | 08:11 |
| duflu | willcooke: Sounds trivial. I just wonder why must we bother ourselves with years of pain and bugs for such a tiny feature gap pulse is filling... | 08:12 |
| willcooke | iiinteresting | 08:13 |
| * willcooke reads up | 08:13 | |
| duflu | I mean, by now any software project that age should be perfect, or should be dead | 08:13 |
| willcooke | Looking at the Pulse pages here https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/About/ | 08:14 |
| willcooke | Software mixing - I expect ALSA handles that just fine now | 08:15 |
| willcooke | Network - dont think anyone uses this by default | 08:15 |
| willcooke | API abstraction - we only use ALSA, so !care | 08:15 |
| duflu | Heh. I did around 1997 | 08:15 |
| willcooke | Hardware abstraction - which it says boils down to per app volume... which is... not super exciting | 08:16 |
| willcooke | Does GStreamer rely on Pulse at all? | 08:16 |
| willcooke | duflu, so I can't see any immediate concerns, but let's socialise it a bit and see if anyone has any strong feelings. I don't know enough to make a call. | 08:17 |
| willcooke | Laney, any thoughts on Pulse? | 08:18 |
| duflu | willcooke: Yeah no problem, me neither. Just started bug bashing but I had to wonder why complicate the architecture in the first place... | 08:18 |
| willcooke | My expectation is that it made sense at the time, and we never revisited | 08:19 |
| duflu | I'm wondering if it's now something like "because that's what the applets use exclusively" | 08:20 |
| Laney | What's the actual problem? | 08:21 |
| willcooke | Just something else to maintain | 08:24 |
| dednick | it's pulse doing the output switching? | 08:24 |
| dednick | ie, plug in hdmi, earphones | 08:24 |
| dednick | *doing it badly* | 08:25 |
| Laney | Feels like a party like it's 2007 Linux hatefest | 08:25 |
| dednick | :) i've been having issues with it running on gnome. Seemed to work better with u7 for some reason. | 08:26 |
| dednick | loosing all sound sometimes. seems to be getting confused when switching outputs. | 08:26 |
| willcooke | Laney, I don't think so, not really. More a case of a critical look at a component. It makes sense to review it, even if that decision is "keep it and fix bugs". | 08:27 |
| dednick | plug earphones in/out again and it starts to work. | 08:27 |
| duflu | Laney, to be fair I've got my back up about non-Ubuntu problems today. But it's still an objective question: Does the functionality provided outweigh the cost/pain of maintenance? | 08:28 |
| Laney | duflu: I think we don't know what the functionality is, what the cost is, or what the pain is, or even really what the bugs are. | 08:31 |
| duflu | Laney: Fair point. I'm only about 5% through the Pulse bug list and will learn more. Was just hoping someone might know off the top of their head | 08:32 |
| Laney | Or what kind of maintenance costs having a different stack from the rest will incur. | 08:32 |
| Laney | <upstream> Oh, you're on Ubuntu? They don't have pulse so that's probably your bug. BYE! | 08:32 |
| Laney | Feeling a bit grumpy this morning, sorry for being short | 08:40 |
| willcooke | "Looks like someone's got a case of the Mondays" | 08:41 |
| willcooke | *hugs* | 08:41 |
| duflu | Laney, I wish you a pleasant Monday and pleasant week. | 08:46 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: I'm still suffering from friday | 08:47 |
| duflu | Sounds like an excellent Friday | 08:47 |
| willcooke | davmor2, that sucks man. I'm really sorry. :( | 08:47 |
| duflu | ? | 08:47 |
| Trevinho | ah hey Laney, willcooke, oSoMoN e duflu | 09:19 |
| Trevinho | :) | 09:19 |
| duflu | Evening Trevinho | 09:20 |
| duflu | Wouldn't it be great to sprint in Asia, right after you get home? :) | 09:20 |
| Trevinho | evening... it's sitll afternoon :-P | 09:20 |
| duflu | Getting darkish, so I called it | 09:20 |
| Trevinho | yeah... let's do it here.. | 09:20 |
| Trevinho | It's cheap :) | 09:20 |
| Laney | hey Trevinho | 09:21 |
| Trevinho | hey Laney... | 09:23 |
| Trevinho | Laney: speaking of the devil... Would you mind to give a look to these debdiff https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1689239 ? | 09:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1689239 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Headerbar used as toolbars in unity are missing proper css classes" [High,In progress] | 09:23 |
| Trevinho | Or i'd break things apps soon once my updated themes will be there... | 09:24 |
| duflu | Hmm, not just dark but also noisy frogs telling me it's night time | 10:04 |
| duflu | Good night | 10:04 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: hi, yes I saw the bug but hadn't gotten to it yet | 10:11 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: ok, good | 10:12 |
| jbicha | if I understand you correctly, your patches are to support a future change to ubuntu-themes? | 10:13 |
| willcooke | jbicha, re: webapp - I've not looked properly yet - but does your suggestion handle the geo-specific stores, like if I run it here in the UK, I get the .co.uk version, in the States I get the .com version etc? | 10:14 |
| jbicha | willcooke: that's up to the website so the answer should be yes | 10:14 |
| jbicha | willcooke: for instance, the BBC News app gives me bbcnews.com instead of bbcnews.co.uk | 10:15 |
| willcooke | Humm, I think that didnt work properly for some reason. I'll look at what we used to do and check | 10:15 |
| willcooke | Maybe we have different referral codes depending on which store you hit. | 10:15 |
| jbicha | just a blind guess, but if you have to do stuff like that, maybe you would need to patch webkit directly? | 10:16 |
| willcooke | Or a wrapper which works out what's what and launches the correct site - probably easier than patching webkit :) | 10:17 |
| jbicha | maybe | 10:19 |
| willcooke | yeah, we have different codes depending on which site is launched: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~webapps/libunity-webapps/trunk/view/head:/src/runner/unity-webapps-runner-amazon.c | 10:26 |
| willcooke | we could re-use that | 10:26 |
| Laney | Trevinho: what updated theme? | 10:37 |
| Laney | are you going to SRU these fixes? | 10:37 |
| Trevinho | Laney: I'm fixing ambiance/radiance to work properly in GS (keeping unity compatibility) | 10:41 |
| Laney | Okay | 10:46 |
| Laney | Well I'm not sure it's sensible for us to keep carrying UI patches for Unity in applications | 10:46 |
| jbicha | …particularly because we never got around to patching many GNOME apps so it's still going to be inconsistent | 10:52 |
| Laney | Guess it's okay to update existing patches though | 10:57 |
| willcooke | I spoke to the design team last week about the possibility of a new theme, I need to follow up with them this week and find out if that's going to be possible this cycle. In the meantime though getting Amb/Rad generally working in G-Shell is worth doing. And as Laney said, I dont think keeping U7 working perfectly should be a priority. Getting them working in G-Shell first should be the priority | 10:57 |
| * Laney nods willcooke | 10:58 | |
| Trevinho | willcooke: sure... That's what I'm doing in fact. Just I prefer not breaking things for unity too... As it's just easy changes to apply | 11:03 |
| Trevinho | (to the patches we already carry) | 11:03 |
| flocculant | willcooke: jfyi - I had to fiddle with pulseaudio - finally got around to looking into why the dac always said 44.1kHz, then I stopped that and went to alsa so it doesn't muck about at all | 11:06 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, ack, thanks | 11:07 |
| Trevinho | Laney: do we have a list of app for which we did patches to remove headerbar? | 11:14 |
| Laney | doubtful | 11:15 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: epiphany is another one | 11:42 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: mh, ok... fix is easy, when we carry patches... it's just to update this | 11:43 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: I currently updated only the default installed ones... | 11:43 |
| jbicha | eog & evince | 11:45 |
| Laney | xnox: so how did you make that list? | 11:52 |
| xnox | Laney, multiple ways. 1) I used the demote email, from when unity8-desktop-session was demoted from main to universe 2) then I also used http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-touch.artful/touch.sources (combined with touch-core.sources, touch-*.sources, sorted and uniquified) | 12:10 |
| xnox | then i tool all of those source packages and filtered them, to exclude things that are seeded anywhere. | 12:11 |
| xnox | and then did a check to see if a package exists in debian, and filtered that out as "to sync" | 12:11 |
| xnox | e.g. we have forked android-tools bits, which we should now sync from debian. | 12:12 |
| xnox | i think i also looked through it manually, to remove things that are generic. | 12:12 |
| xnox | ... | 12:12 |
| xnox | it's mostly complete, apart from a few things that got seeded in other distros, and does not touch anything that is unity7 related (as all of that is still seeded in ubuntu-desktop) | 12:14 |
| Laney | xnox: ok, commented, thanks | 12:47 |
| * Laney goes to eat a burrito | 12:47 | |
| xnox | *nom* *nom* | 12:47 |
| willcooke | awh man | 12:47 |
| willcooke | I would also like a burrito | 12:48 |
| xnox | Laney, nice review =) | 12:48 |
| * xnox thought watershed was only used by upstart jobs, will check | 12:48 | |
| Laney | xnox: while read pkg; do chdist apt-cache artful-amd64 showsrc $pkg; done < removals-take-1.txt | grep-dctrl -sPackage,Version . | 12:49 |
| Laney | willcooke: it's just a supermarket one, don't be too sad :P | 12:49 |
| xnox | nice =) | 12:49 |
| willcooke | ah, right. In which case, be lucky. | 12:49 |
| xnox | Laney, i did ask before, but is there at all any way to grep autopkgtest dependencies? | 12:50 |
| Laney | afraid not | 12:50 |
| Laney | wait | 12:50 |
| Laney | xnox: You can look at Testsuite-Triggers | 12:51 |
| xnox | Testsuite-Triggers? where is that? | 12:53 |
| Laney | in the .dsc | 12:53 |
| Laney | therefore in Sources.gz | 12:53 |
| Laney | Might not be there for things which haven't been uploaded in ages or whatever, but should be good enough | 12:54 |
| xnox | nice... can we teach reverse-depends about it? | 12:54 |
| Laney | probably | 12:54 |
| Laney | ooh, firefox formats json | 12:56 |
| Laney | anyway, burrito: back shortly | 12:57 |
| zzarr | hello! is there any way to install Ubuntu on a x86 based Android tablet? (I have an ASUS Zenpad 10 Z300C / P023) | 14:21 |
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| willcooke | dinner, bbl | 16:53 |
| Sweetshark | https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/05/oss-fuzz-five-months-later-and.html <- yo guys. | 17:22 |
| willcooke | Thanks Sweetshark, much appreciated | 17:51 |
| willcooke | I can't grok their reports at all. There doesn't seem to be a link back to a fix at LO | 17:52 |
| Sweetshark | willcooke: They just linked to the list of issues: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/oss-fuzz/issues/list?can=1&q=Proj%3Dlibreoffice+Type%3DBug-Security+status%3ANew%2CAccepted%2CFixed%2CVerified&colspec=ID+Type+Component+Status+Proj+Reported+Owner+Summary&cells=ids | 17:54 |
| willcooke | Sweetshark, right, but each of those issues is unreadable to me | 17:54 |
| willcooke | It says "It's fixed" but doesnt provide any links to where it's fixed afaict | 17:55 |
| oSoMoN | « ClusterFuzz has detected this issue as fixed in range 201612212121:201612220925. » | 17:55 |
| oSoMoN | it gives a window in which the fix was committed upstream, I guess? | 17:55 |
| oSoMoN | a link to an upstream commit would be useful indeed | 17:56 |
| Sweetshark | oSoMoN: oss-fuzz just autosdetects "build it a day later. issue was gone", there is little human interaction in oss-fuzz there ... | 17:57 |
| willcooke | ah, I see | 17:58 |
| Sweetshark | FWIW, I dont think libreoffice is the only thing to worry about (or even the most to worry about). I mean: 10 FreeType2 issues, 17 FFmpeg issues, 10 GnuTLS, 25 PCRE2? each of those are use by half the world. | 18:00 |
| Sweetshark | s/use/used/ | 18:00 |
| willcooke | heh - it's good practice at least :) | 18:01 |
| Trevinho | Laney: this is what I meant https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/gs-decorations-fixes/+merge/323760 | 20:04 |
| Trevinho | and.... bed time now | 20:04 |
| willcooke | night all | 20:48 |
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