[04:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:48] <shrewdu> morning
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> morning shrewdu
[05:03] <Bashing-om> Good nite \o
[05:08] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> working day guys
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one EriC^^ ducasse
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> ; )
[06:13] <ducasse> morning
[07:16] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[07:26] <ducasse> \o EriC^^ - what's up?
[07:26] <ducasse> everything well?
[07:26] <EriC^^> not much, you?
[07:27] <ducasse> watching a documentary on snowden, the 'escape to russia' thing.
[07:27] <EriC^^> all good thanks
[07:27] <EriC^^> cool
[07:35] <ducasse> that documentary says some scary things about the kind of world we live in :-/
[07:35] <EriC^^> yeah governments and such
[07:37] <ducasse> mostly, having to rely on russia for protecting somebody's freedom :)
[07:39] <ducasse> EriC^^: have you tested the artful isos yet?
[07:40] <ducasse> (to get back nearer topic)
[07:45] <EriC^^> nope what are those?
[07:45] <EriC^^> ah the new release?
[07:45] <EriC^^> !17.10
[07:45] <ducasse> yep.
[07:46] <ducasse> i like the codename, best in a while :)
[07:47] <Ben64> ooh
[07:47] <Ben64> 18.04 breezy badger
[07:49] <ducasse> :)
[10:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[16:21] <nacc> morning
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/chuwi-lapbook-12-3-laptop-price-specs
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu showing up everywhere on devices
[16:43] <\9> why must the laptops be so thin nowadays
[16:43] <\9> o
[16:44] <BluesKaj> cool factor promo...think it's silly
[16:44] <\9> i'd prefer a bit sturdier design that doesn't require me to violently disassemble it to get the hard drive out
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> for those business men that need leightweight :p
[16:46] <\9> wimps
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> but businessmen prob dont need ubuntu on it
[16:48] <BluesKaj> they wouldn't know what ubuntu is anyway....they're so mainstream focused
[16:49] <BluesKaj> they're just computers ...computers use Windows :-)
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:51] <\9> or they use macs instead of computers
[16:51] <BluesKaj> follow the logic "-)
[16:52] <BluesKaj> most business ppl use Windows afaik , macs are for the "creative crowd"
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> is that still valid BluesKaj
[16:53] <BluesKaj> who think paying thru the nose for all that proprietary stuff is cool because it's a mac
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> have a mac for graphics design and moviecuttin?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> drank the kool-ade
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> whole world owns an iphone though
[16:55] <BluesKaj> not here
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[16:57] <BluesKaj> they're still phones to me .. all that software on a dinky screen
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> handy for a fast google
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> but danger for storing your whole life on it...
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/linux_alternatives_to_ubuntu/
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys laterz
[18:17] <nacc> Bashing-om: warning, they are a troll
[18:18] <Bashing-om> nacc: Thanks for that heads up !
[18:20] <nacc> Bashing-om: np
[20:25] <nicomachus> uhhhhhh.... http://www.zdnet.com/article/canonical-starts-ipo-path/
[20:33] <Bashing-om> This ^^ I gotta know !
[20:39] <Bashing-om> so much for ubuntu always being "Free" - investors will want a return .
[20:52] <ducasse> ugh :(
[21:03] <akik> they're no longer trying to create their own ui, and then choose gnome shell as default?
[21:08] <akik> i hope they give the DE choice during the install
[21:09] <ducasse> why? they don't now - just use another installer.
[21:09] <akik> it would make it easier for users
[21:11] <ducasse> users having to make more selections make it easier?
[21:11] <Bashing-om> I had no seen gnome in a while , was pleasantly surprised with gnome3 in 17.04 . Smooth .
[21:11] <akik> yes
[21:11] <tgm4883> lol
[21:12] <tgm4883> no, giving users more options is not easier
[21:12] <akik> it's just one more screen, select the ui you like the best
[21:12] <tgm4883> which by definition, it 1 more choice than they have now in teh installer
[21:13] <ducasse> akik: new users have no idea what that means or what the differences in those uis are
[21:14] <tgm4883> I'd argue that adding a one page option in the installer is doing a disservice to all the DEs
[21:14] <akik> "We're no longer trying to create our own interface. We'll support the existing ones -- KDE, MATE, Lxde -- but while all these desktops are great, GNOME presents the least change for users."
[21:15] <tgm4883> I mean really, we're going to pick DEs based on a single screenshot now?
[21:15] <akik> tgm4883: most of the users already know what they are
[21:15] <ducasse> if you like kde more than gnome, then just use the kubuntu image - done. should that also have a page to select the ui?
[21:16] <tgm4883> akik: then they can download the correct installer rather than have a ubiquity chooser
[21:16] <akik> ok just my 0.02
[21:17] <tgm4883> It seems silly to me to have the default ISO be 3GB because we want a DE chooser in the installer
[21:19] <ducasse> making the installer more complicated in the process. the easy installer is a large part of why newbies use ubuntu.
[21:19]  * Bashing-om recalls the shock and dismay that a lubuntu .iso would not decompress to a CD .
[21:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: the alternate should fit on a cd afaik
[21:22] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh .. and the minimal is still doable .
[21:25] <ducasse> for now, yes. dunno what will happen there with the new server installer etc...