=== s1aden is now known as sladen === med_` is now known as med_ === tyhicks` is now known as tyhicks [14:59] o/ [15:00] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:05] I'm kinda here and I have another meeting in 25 min [15:06] Do we know who's chairing today? I guess we stopped selecting chairs recently [15:11] #startmeeting DMB [15:11] Meeting started Mon May 8 15:11:31 2017 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:11] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: [15:11] Might as well be me rather than me waiting around. [15:11] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:11] rbasak to sort Aron's request (carried-over) [15:12] I was looking at this earlier, and would like a second opinion. But I'll move on for now. [15:12] #topic Applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Applications [15:12] #info There are no applications on today's agenda. [15:12] #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Outstanding mailing list requests to assign [15:13] One from Gunnar about GNOME Help packages. Is someone availalble to take that please? [15:14] I see no other outstanding requests. [15:14] Any volunteers? [15:14] rbasak: that's just adding packages? [15:15] If so give it to me. [15:15] I think so. [15:15] Well either way, I'll do it. [15:15] It might the description of personal-gunnarhj changing too. [15:15] Thanks! [15:15] #action bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request [15:15] ACTION: bdmurray to handle GunnarHj's GNOME Help packages PPU request [15:15] happyaron also requested his packageset be updated [15:16] Yeah, see above - I'll discuss that next. [15:16] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Any other business [15:17] I'm not sure on what basis to handle happyaron's request. Do I just verify that he's listed in the Debian Uploaders field? [15:17] As network-manager seems like quite a step up from some packages in universe from an Ubuntu perspective. [15:18] The others seem straightforward to me, with dkms perhaps in the middle. [15:18] For reference: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2017-April/001100.html [15:18] Do we know what his original application was like? [15:19] I think it might be before my time. I'll see if I can find it. [15:21] I can only find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AronXu/DeveloperApplication, which was presumably unsuccessful. Or was that converted to PPU maybe? [15:22] hi, I hope I'm not interrupting but happyaron has been one of the main maintainers of NM in Ubuntu: [15:22] https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/log/ [15:22] https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu-applet/log/ [15:22] I think because network-manager is seeded it requires some further discussion. [15:24] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/09/%23ubuntu-meeting.html is relevant. [15:25] That's Aron's core dev application (unsuccessful) and it looks like the ubuntukylin packageset was created instead. [15:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#PerPackage [15:26] That makes reference to "need to show ... previous work on the package" and "previous concern for the package ... in Ubuntu" - so I think an application needs to be more than just add these. [15:27] I suppose that applies to all of them? [15:27] Shall I reply and ask him to address that bullet point for the packages he's requesting? [15:28] The DD process applies to happyaron. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess [15:28] Well maybe not for DDs, but I'm concerned about this in particular because of bug 1676547. [15:28] bug 1676547 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "No network connectivity after upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676547 [15:30] OK, so what should I do next? [15:33] I think the guidelines for DDs are clear and we should just add it, but I personally have reservations. So then the question is do we, the DMB, get to exercise judgement in this (DD) case. [15:34] The DMB set the DD guidelines, so the DMB absolutely can exercise judgement so we so choose. [15:34] bdmurray: is 1676547 happyaron's fault? I'm not sure how relevant that bug is here? [15:35] And if we do choose, then perhaps that's an indication that the DD guideline needs amending. [15:35] (and I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here) [15:35] jbicha: cyphermox could explain better but as I understand it the SRU of network-manager to xenial add new capabilities which were not accounted for in Yakkeyt. [15:36] ah ok [15:36] So if you had the X SRU installed and upgraded to yakkety you'd have no network. If you didn't have the n-m SRU you'd be fine. [15:36] Perhaps the DD guidelines need amending to make it clear that the same original criteria must still apply to the packages being requested? [15:36] I think I helped sponsor those SRUs :( [15:37] The page I linked says you can seek assurances if you think the new packages have more 'impact'. [15:38] Well not many people upgrade from X to Y this late, but still even if it didn't impact many people its not a great experience. [15:39] rbasak: So I think network-manager is worth some further discussion. [15:40] OK [15:40] What about the others? [15:40] dkms? [15:41] ocserv and proxychains are I think probably uncontroversial? [15:41] rbasak: thinking about dkms [15:42] that's also seeded so maybe it should be discussed too? [15:42] #agreed Aron Xu's DD-based PPU request for network-manager needs further discussion [15:42] OK [15:43] I see only one direct ubuntu upload of dkms made by him [15:43] #agreed Aron Xu's DD-based PPU request for dkms is similarly seeded so should probably be part of the same discussion [15:43] ocserv and proxychains are I think probably uncontroversial? [15:44] agreed [15:44] +1 [15:45] #agreed +1 for Aron Xu's DD-based PPU requests for ocserv and proxychains [15:45] rbasak: although proxychains was already in his list... [15:45] Thanks all. I'll reply to the list. [15:45] Hmm. OK! [15:45] rbasak: also you said ocserv and he said ocsev [15:46] I think he typoed it. What he said didn't seem to exist, and so I looked up his Debian maintainerships. [15:46] Hmm, okay. [15:47] I guess that's it for Aron for this meeting today then? [15:47] Any other AOB? [15:47] not from me [15:49] That'll be it then. Thanks all! [15:49] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:49] Meeting ended Mon May 8 15:49:02 2017 UTC. [15:49] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-08-15.11.moin.txt [15:49] o/ [16:34] hello [16:35] #startmeeting [16:35] Meeting started Mon May 8 16:35:11 2017 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:35] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:35] The meeting agenda can be found at: [16:35] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [16:35] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [16:35] Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) provided debdiffs for trusty-zesty for weechat (LP: #1686478) [16:35] Launchpad bug 1686478 in weechat (Ubuntu) " CVE-2017-8073 weechat remote crash" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686478 [16:35] \o [16:35] Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :) [16:35] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [16:35] jdstrand: you're up [16:35] Got through a lot of the snappy PRs and store reviews the last two weeks. As of this second, caught up, but dbus activation and update-ns PRs are looming. All my PRs are merged [16:35] picked up the uid/gid seccomp filtering branch since it sounds like people are assigned to worked on privilege dropping in snaps and this is a requirement for that work [16:35] embargoed issue [16:35] wayland/gnome/plasma and kubernetes-support after [16:36] that's it from me [16:36] mdeslaur: you're up [16:36] I'm on community this week [16:37] I have a whole bunch of updates I'm currently testing to release this week, including tomcat7, tomcat8, apache2, freetype, etc. [16:37] that's probably all I'll be doing [16:37] that it, sbeattie, you're up [16:37] I'm on bug triage this week [16:38] I've got openjdk-8 updates pending, and will hopefully have openjdk-7 soon. [16:38] I'm also working on a libplist update [16:38] I have some kernel signoff and triage to do. [16:38] After that, I'll look for more updates to pick up [16:39] That'll consume my week. [16:39] tyhicks: over to you [16:39] I'm on cve triage [16:39] I've got a number of followups to do from the roadmap sprint last week [16:40] I need to drive the design of the final bit of the seccomp kernel patches to completion [16:40] I may also get a chance to start working with the fscrypto userspace code this week [16:41] that's it for me [16:41] jjohansen: you're up [16:41] I am working on apparmor upstreaming this week [16:41] I have a few bugs to follow-up on [16:42] but other than that, it is all upstreaming work [16:42] jjohansen: what specifically are you working on for upstreaming this week? [16:43] a couple weeks ago it was dealing with apparmofs changes and checkpatch cleanups [16:43] * tyhicks is mainly curious if you've hit any blockers around those two [16:43] I have a revised, smaller securityfs patch that I should be able to send up today. The securityfs portion is done, I am just doing some revision on the supporting apparmor bit [16:43] it reduces the securityfs changes to just what is needed to support adding symlinks [16:44] much smaller than the old change [16:44] nice [16:44] thanks [16:45] there are still some check patch changes to do [16:45] and I have a list of other random fixes that I know of to preform [16:47] ok [16:47] I had one more thing for myself. I need to retire precise from UCT and open precise/esm in UCT. [16:47] \o/ [16:47] sarnold: I think jjohansen is done now [16:48] i'm in the happy place this week [16:48] well, sure I was just digging up the list [16:48] returning to MIRs [16:48] jjohansen: we can sync up on those details later [16:48] that's it for me, chrisccoulson? [16:48] I've got chromium, firefox and thunderbird to release this week [16:48] wow [16:49] I also need to finish my new script for automating symbol uploads, so I can stop doing it manually [16:49] I'm not sure what else yet. That's me done [16:50] ratliff: you're up [16:50] I'm in the happy place. I have a number of tasks from the sprint. [16:51] I'm going to work on an icu update for esm. [16:51] I'm going to instantiate the notification service. [16:51] If I have time, I will do an update for UC15. [16:51] that's it for me, back to you, tyhicks [16:51] thanks [16:52] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [16:52] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [16:52] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyrad.html [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/plasma-workspace.html [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pcs.html [16:52] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/claws-mail.html [16:52] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [16:52] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/golang-github-appc-docker2aci.html [16:53] tyhicks: not to discuss particularly, but related to what ratliff said, there's ESM infrastructure tasks that will need to be done. [16:54] sbeattie: I think I've got most of the tasks to perform locally documented but you're right that we'll need to do some infrastructure things [16:54] sbeattie: I'll try to knock those out today/tomorrow [16:54] ratliff: fyi ^ [16:54] tyhicks: sure, I'm happy to help there, too. [16:55] thanks, tyhicks and sbeattie [16:55] ok [16:55] ratliff: does anything actually use icu in the esm packageset? [16:56] shh [16:56] there's a reason why it is the first :) [16:56] * mdeslaur shuts up [16:56] it'll be a good test [16:57] it is in the list but there's not much there that depends on it [16:57] jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff: Thanks! [16:57] thanks tyhicks [16:57] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:57] Meeting ended Mon May 8 16:57:31 2017 UTC. [16:57] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-08-16.35.moin.txt [16:57] thanks tyhicks [16:57] tyhicks: thanks [16:57] thank you tyhicks! [16:58] thanks tyhicks!