[07:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:53] <directhex> xenial is totally broken and i can't find anyone else talking about it :|
[08:53] <foobarry> define broken
[08:54] <foobarry> !lts
[08:54] <directhex> foobarry: libsecret slash gnome-keyring doesn't work at all, as of about a week ago. so apps which integrate with it take ages to start up, and all saved credentials are inaccessible
[08:55] <davmor2> directhex: is there a bug for it
[08:55] <directhex> davmor2: not that i can find!
[08:55] <davmor2> then no one will be working on it ;)
[08:55] <davmor2> directhex: can you give me examples and I'll have a play for you see if I can reproduce it
[08:55] <directhex> can someone else sanity-check? install libsecret-tools and try running `secret-tool search pony pony`
[08:56] <diplo> I've got to say I haven't had any issues but have now updated to zesty
[08:56] <diplo> Can try on Zesty to also see if it's an issue ?
[08:56] <ali1234> directhex: produces no output for me on 16.04
[08:56] <directhex> ali1234: immediately?
[08:56] <ali1234> yes
[08:57] <ali1234> but my computer is really fast so that might not mean much :)
[08:57] <directhex> ok, that's the correct behaviour
[08:57] <directhex> but it's broken for me on my laptop *and* desktop, including after a reformat
[08:57] <davmor2> directhex: so could be something local to you, do you have any ppa's installed at all?
[08:57] <ali1234> my install is really old
[08:57] <ali1234> also i haven't reboot it for like a month so might not be using fully up to date libs
[08:58] <directhex> ehm... flatpak ppa, mono/chrome/slack repos
[08:58] <ali1234> i have the chrome ppa but not the others
[08:59] <ali1234> can you strace it or something to see why it hangs?
[08:59] <davmor2> directhex: did you install any flat packs as I understand it that can pull in the full gnome stack and might be causing issues unless they fixed that
[09:01] <directhex> davmor2: i've tried uninstalling flatpak, which hasn't changed anything
[09:01] <directhex> ali1234: it's a timeout on dbus activation of org.freedesktop.secrets
[09:02] <davmor2> directhex: no it won't the install it pulls in is separate to the package :)
[09:02] <directhex> davmor2: it's a clean reinstalled laptop, i hadn't gotten around to installing any flatpak apps.
[09:03] <davmor2> directhex: then that might be fine then let me fire it up and have a look for you
[09:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Iris Day! 😃  🌷
[09:12]  * JamesTait wonders if anyone will notice the continuation of the weekend's railway theme.
[09:22] <directhex> don't talk to me about bloody railways, it took me 6 hours to get to london & back to vote
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> used the railway on saturday and sunday from dublin... it was jammers both days which is odd for a weekend...
[09:26] <diplo> directhex: Going to sign up to postal vote next time then ?
[09:27] <directhex> mmm, i might be in the US next time, and it's rather more convenient to vote in boston than london
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> how long would the postal vote to get to uk?
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> just you hear stories about american postal system been slow...
[09:29] <JamesTait> Don't worry, directhex, HS2 will be here soon and will solve all your troubles. 😉
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> hs2 will expand the commuter belt how far? :-)
[09:31] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, you'll alert monday to your presence!!
[09:32] <MooDoo> already bit me in the ass
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't mean it won't come back to try and finish the job...
[09:38] <MooDoo> think i'll be fine :)
[09:39] <directhex> HS2 doesn't run from banbury to wembley
[09:39]  * zmoylan-pi starts betting pool... hit by asteroid/eaten by sharks/attacked by badgers... :-P
[09:54] <MooDoo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
[10:15] <davmor2> directhex: paste.ubuntu.com/24536065
[10:15] <davmor2> no issues here
[10:15] <directhex> so....... wtf?
[10:16] <directhex> how many gnome-keyring-daemon instances do you have running?
[10:17] <davmor2> directhex: 1
[10:17] <directhex> hm
[10:17] <directhex> i just killed 2 zombie instances, and now secret-tool runs
[10:18] <directhex> but *why*?
[10:18] <davmor2> maybe it was linked to a zombie one initially
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> JamesTait: A bit of controversy about HS2 around here, the viaduct is going to be HEE-OOJ.
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> Not sure if genuine concern or just a bunch of entitle NIMBYs
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> *entitled
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure they all have degrees in architecture...
[11:14] <foobarry> how do i disable intel AMT via the ctrl-p menu?
[11:28] <TwistedLucidity> A hammer
[11:28] <TwistedLucidity> Usually it's hidden the BIOS/UEFI gubbines you get at boot
[11:28] <TwistedLucidity> What's a "Ctrl-P" menu?
[11:29] <TwistedLucidity> What I wonder is, how will I install the firmware update to my T430 without needing Windows.
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> wrap cpu in tin foil, put in microwave on high for 2 minutes.  put smoking mess in barrel of wet concrete. drop over side of boat...
[11:59] <foobarry> ctrl-p gets you into the INTEL(R) AMT CONFIGURATION menu
[11:59] <foobarry> no clear ooption to disable
[11:59] <foobarry> just "Manageability feature selection" enable/disable
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> who knew having a backdoor into something would turn out to be a bad thing?!
[12:01] <foobarry> i've been worried about it for years
[12:01] <foobarry> i like ipmi on servers
[12:02] <foobarry> i don't like MAT onlaptops that even respond on the main IP address when they are asleep
[12:27] <foobarry> i think i have now disabled it
[12:32] <diddledan> ok folks, foobarry just set the challenge. first person to hack them wins the internet! :-p
[12:33] <diddledan> note: I do not condone hacking. you must comply with the laws of your jurisdiction.
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> and this time no one hacks sony! \o/
[12:53] <foobarry> hack who?
[12:53] <foobarry> me?
[12:53] <foobarry> the reg article shows that the AMT have 1) passsword bypass 2) priv escalation vuln.
[12:53] <foobarry> 3) pwntown
[13:03] <SuperMatt> that's a horrid combination of bugs
[13:25] <diddledan> well the bugs can be paraphrased as 1) give everyone access. 2) make everyone admin. hmm, that sounds like Win9x era computing
[13:25] <diddledan> and WinXP
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Yes, bypass the password by sending nothing
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> I can't check now, but I really did think it was BIOS/UEFI setting to turn it on/off.
[13:49] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: When does one do ctrl-p? During boot?
[14:34] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: yes
[14:34] <foobarry> hammer it as soon as you start boot
[14:34] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: OK, I'll give that a go.
[14:34] <foobarry> the bios setting only hides the ctrl-p option!
[16:55] <diddledan> well that's a new one: IRCCloud system message: We're migrating your user account to a different server to balance the system. Your account will be offline briefly before reconnecting automatically. We apologise for the disruption.
[16:55] <diddledan> it didn't reconnect automatically
[16:56] <diddledan> why are they not using live migration?!
[16:57] <diddledan> seriously, each customer should be a separate container on their farm which will allow the system to automatically rebalance itself without interruption or manual intervention
[17:36]  * brobostigon is back from work.
[19:35] <foobarry> listening to UUPC . i have a 12.04 machine for special cases because it has a working java + browser setup that works for various IBM/Dell servers
[23:06] <diddledan> I somewhat concerned that the top secret us spaceship requires hazmat teams to recover it: https://assets.cdn.spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/08225604/170507-O-F3227-001-678x438.jpg
[23:06] <diddledan> from here: https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/05/08/photos-sundays-return-of-x-37b-after-718-days-in-space/
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> probably uses toxic fuel...
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> i seem to remember one of the best fuels is carcinogenic
[23:20] <diddledan> I think it's more likely that it wasn't in orbit of earth the past 700 days but actually went to visit some aliens elsewhere in the solarsystem
[23:21] <diddledan> they've obviously placed some really powerful weapons or something that is hazardous
[23:21] <diddledan> it looks like they have a geiger counter
[23:22] <diddledan> probably isn't a standard counter for normal radiation but detecting exotic matter