[00:02] <mchamplain> YankDownUnder: I plugged the USB on another computer and tried to edit the grub files, but look like I’m editing the wrong files cause the boot menu stays de same even when I try to disable other options (it’s been a while since I’ve use Linux, but IIRC keeping only 1 option in grub should automatically boot it right?)
[00:03] <gogeta> mchamplain, lol
[00:03] <gogeta> mac_nibblet, thats old school
[00:03] <mchamplain> minimec: I tried that, but trying to install ubuntu with 2 usb attached, I get to a screen asking me to install harddrive drivers as it wasn’t able to detect any, looks like ubuntu doesn’t detect the 32gb usb flash drive as a suitable hard drive :/
[00:03] <gogeta> mchamplain, thats kinda old school and i dont think it even works anymore
[00:04] <YankDownUnder> mchamplain, Something to look at: https://www.ostechnix.com/configure-grub-2-boot-loader-settings-ubuntu-16-04/
[00:05] <gogeta> mchamplain, to add lines you need to put them in d-40custom or something like that the think he gave you should help
[00:05] <gogeta> link
[00:06] <minimec> mchamplain: Boot with the live install USB device 'test ubuntu', then once booted plug the 2nd USB device and click 'install ubuntu' on the desktop.
[00:06] <gogeta> mchamplain, but for the most part grub should fine anything else you have installed
[00:06] <Sparrow__> mchamplain, sudo update-grub   after edit?
[00:07] <mchamplain> Sparrow__: omg… where’s the facepalm emoji…
[00:07] <gogeta> Sparrow__, he was hink alone grub 1 days where you jsut edit the file :)
[00:07] <minimec> mchamplain: Problem is, if your BIOS sees two USB device @boot, it cannot boot from USB.
[00:07] <mchamplain> hahaha, man do I have catching up to do :p
[00:08] <Sparrow__> The whole uefi legacy thing
[00:08] <gogeta> minimec, it can if grub is on the usb stick
[00:08] <gogeta> minimec, at least with a bios system
[00:08] <gogeta> minimec, dunno how efi will react
[00:09] <Sparrow__> bbl
[00:10] <gogeta> minimec, bascily no usb boot off mbr or plug in usb slect it grub takes over letting it boot
[00:14] <minimec> gogeta: I get you. Still... If he can boot from USB without BIOS change, the 2nd stick will be recognized by Ubuntu and available as install medium. So that's probably the easiest way to go for him.
[00:15] <ronald> m
[00:18] <gogeta> minimec, kinda a pain to make those totaly self cotaned
[00:19] <gogeta> minimec, i normaly used a vm so it only sees 1 sick and set up so
[00:19] <gogeta> minimec, that way it works on any pc not just the installed pc
[00:22] <js__> what would be the best ubuntu distro to show to Windows fans/ newbs
[00:23] <js__> ?
[00:24] <krytarik> Kubuntu.
[00:24] <js__> why not bungie?
[00:24] <minimec> js__: I would go for ubuntu-gnome with some minor modifications... Numix theme + Numix-Circle Icons + some gnome extensions... oups... That's like my daily use configuration on my laptops... ;)
[00:26] <js__> the main thing that throws people off is the placement of the task bar in stock ubuntu
[00:30] <bliksem_> Hello.. I've done mkdir in my home directory and I want this dir to point to /var/www/public_html so that a user can access, alter and edit the web content stored in /var/www/public_html - how do I do this? Can anyone please assist?
[00:31] <kunji> bliksem_: That won't let them do that
[00:32] <minimec> bliksem_: Easiest way is to 'sudo chmod /var/www/public_html' in a console. BUT... like that anyone can do anything in these folders....
[00:32] <kunji> bliksem_: creating a symlink from a directory in your home to /var/www/public_html will have non effect on who can access/alter and edit those files
[00:32] <minimec> bliksem_: oups... 'sudo shmod 777 /var/www/public_html'
[00:32] <kunji> *no, not non
[00:33] <kunji> minimec: don't give bad advice
[00:33] <minimec> bliksem_: Getting tired... 'sudo chmod 777 /var/www/public_html'
[00:33] <kunji> minimec: That folder should not be 777
[00:33] <minimec> kunji: Well. That's in fact what he asked for...
[00:33] <kunji> minimec: There are other ways to do what he asked for
[00:34] <YankDownUnder> Isn't that straying a bit outside of the "stock standard" Apache ideology...just sayin...
[00:34] <minimec> kunji: I agree He could add all users to the according group of the folder.
[00:34] <kunji> minimec: At least, assuming he meant an arbitrary chosen user, not *any* user
[00:35] <kunji> minimec: I think that is a significantly better route
[00:35] <bliksem_> Thanks guys, I'm still unsure how I should go about doing this.. but yeah it will just be one chosen user that I wish to do this for.
[00:35] <minimec> kunji: I agree with you on that...
[00:36] <sidetracking> i feel like a metaphorical horseback rider cracking my metaphorical whip on my torrent download trying to make it go faster
[00:37] <kunji> bliksem_: Can you run 'ls -la' on that folder to check the owner, group, and current permissions?
[00:38] <bliksem_> kunji: drwxr-xr-x
[00:38] <sidetracking> i have a question, say I chmoded a bunch of webdev files to 777, they're all in one directory, can i just chmod that directory to a lower setting and have it change all the subfolders
[00:39] <gogeta> sidetracking, running a websserver in rw bad idea
[00:40] <bliksem_> kunji: new to this, just got the vps server recently
[00:40] <kunji> bliksem_: Ok, to make is so that the group can write there you can: sudo chmod -R 775 /var/www/public_html
[00:40] <minimec> sidetracking: That's a hell of a phrase... ;) Problem with torrent is that you can't really estimate the download speed, as it is given by availability of the given file(s). Maybe do a internet speedtest to se your current download speed ( http://www.speedtest.net/). The 'transmission' software is a good tool for torent downloads, if you ask me.
[00:41] <Archvile> sidetracking: to change all subfolders you should use recursive mode (-R)
[00:41] <sidetracking> Archvile thanks lad
[00:41] <kunji> bliksem_: Then you will want to add the user to the same group, which should be the 4th column from ls -la
[00:42] <kunji> bliksem_: sudo usermod -a -G groupwe'readdingthemto theirusername
[00:43] <kunji> bliksem_: https://support.rackspace.com/how-to/how-to-add-linux-user-with-document-root-permissions/
[00:44] <Archvile> I have problem with bluetooth - cannot receive file from my phone (but sending works fine)
[00:44] <kunji> bliksem_: may also want to do that bit about setgid if it isn't already
[00:44] <Archvile> phone is paired and trusted
[00:45] <Archvile> receiving is ticked
[00:45] <Archvile> in syslog I have strange error
[00:45] <Archvile> obexd[746]: open(/home/mac/.cache/obexd/I6EQZY): Operation not permitted (1)
[00:46] <bliksem_> kunji: Thank you, will check this out. May I ask how is this better than a symlink? Is it more secure?
[00:46] <Archvile> every time I try send file from phone to Ubuntu (16.04), file (random name) is created in ~/.cache/obexd (zero size)
[00:47] <kunji> bliksem_: The simlink doesn't change the file permissions at all... so you user still wouldn't be able to write there.
[00:47] <bliksem_> kunji: Oh okay, understood. Thanks for your help. I'll run through that document now and make the changes.
[00:48] <Archvile> I will be grateful for any help :-)
[00:49] <ivan> hi. is there any way to autoremove foreign architecture packages? apt seems to assume that a depends on the native package is also a depends on the :i386 package
[00:54] <minimec> ivan: You could try to ermove the whole architecture and see what software you need is affected. I am not sure if your statement is true. I remember having :386 packages autoremoved... --> "sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386".
[01:00] <ivan> minimec: I've got apt on xenial and I have these packages installed that nothing depends on: gcc-6-base:i386 libc6:i386 libcap2:i386 libcomerr2:i386 libgcc1:i386 libgcrypt20:i386 libgpg-error0:i386 liblzma5:i386 libncurses5:i386 libpcre3:i386 libselinux1:i386 libtinfo5:i386 zlib1g:i386
[01:05] <minimec> ivan: Well... As you have the package list... What happens if you want to 'sudo apt remove gcc-6-base:i386 libc6:i386 libcap2:i386 libcomerr2:i386 libgcc1:i386 libgcrypt20:i386 libgpg-error0:i386 liblzma5:i386 libncurses5:i386 libpcre3:i386 libselinux1:i386 libtinfo5:i386 zlib1g:i386'?
[01:06] <ivan> apt wants to remove those packages and nothing else, of course
[01:06] <ivan> but autoremove doesn't
[01:07] <minimec> ivan: Ok. Could it be that these packages are part of the base i386 architecture installation. So as long as you have the i386 architecture anabled, these packages are installed?
[01:08] <ivan> hmm good point let me check
[01:09] <minimec> ivan: It somehow would make sense, as gcc, libc6, libgcc, libcrypt, libncurses.... seem rather essential...
[01:10] <ivan> I wonder what step actually installs them, though
[01:11] <ivan> doing a dist-upgrade doesn't bring them in
[01:11] <minimec> ivan: Once you installed software like skype, steam, teamviewer and similar, the i386 base got enabled...
[01:23] <ivan> I just installed libxtables11:i386 which was not previously installed and apt-get autoremove doesn't remove it
[01:23] <ivan> I suppose I should reproduce this in unstable and file a bug
[01:26] <rypervenche> ivan: Did you just manually install it?
[01:26] <ivan> oh duh sorry let me check that
[01:27] <rypervenche> ivan: Did you explicitly install it or was it pulled it as a dependency for some other program?
[01:27] <ivan> yeah I stupidly forgot to mark it auto
[01:27] <guest123> I am wondering i know how /dev/tun or tap work vhost but i came across virtio device file and wondering is this just the piece of the virtual machine for i o .
[01:28] <ivan> OK yes this particular i386 package gets autoremoved
[01:28] <guest123> Like is the point of virtio to beable to create a virtual sata , cd , usb ,... io devices other then network device
[01:29] <minimec> ivan: I never really cared about that, but I would probably try to 'sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade', before trying toe 'autoremove' And yet... As you don't have a software that relies on the :386 package you installed, it makes sense NOT to remove the package. Imagine you compiled software, that needs the packeage you installed...
[01:30] <ivan> autoremove works in very complicated ways that I do not like and are making my configuration management not so fun
[01:31] <ivan> virtual packages, 01autoremove-kernels, this base set of foreign architecture packages
[01:31] <ivan> tempted to just reconstruct what packages _would_ be installed in a totally clean install and remove everything not listed there
[01:37] <Pencil2> #padre
[01:37] <Pencil2> join #padre
[01:37] <minimec> Pencil2:  use '/join #padre' ;)
[01:42] <Archvile> can anyone help with bluetooth and obex?
[01:43] <Archvile> I cannot receive a file from my phone via bluetooth
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:37 mac obexd[746]: CONNECT(0x0), (null)(0xffffffff)
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:37 mac obexd[746]: CONNECT(0x0), (null)(0x0)
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:38 mac obexd[746]: PUT(0x2), (null)(0xffffffff)
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:38 mac obexd[746]: open(/home/mac/.cache/obexd/I6EQZY): Operation not permitted (1)
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:38 mac obexd[746]: PUT(0x2), FORBIDDEN(0x43)
[01:44] <Archvile> May  8 02:17:38 mac obexd[746]: DISCONNECT(0x1), (null)(0xffffffff)
[02:01] <Basketball> !test
[02:17] <bitblit> vpn recently started dying when I use bittorrent. torents start up for about a minute, then drop to 0b/s. reconnecting fixes for about a minute...
[02:21] <ivan> bitblit: which vpn? and tcp or udp?
[02:24] <bitblit> pia, udp
[02:24] <bitblit> and it's on a VM, but has worked for a long time fine.
[02:36] <pipepablo> hi
[02:58] <sweetheart> I have a sweet heart
[03:08] <TBotNik> All: Have a fullpath problem I'm trying to solve. Writeup @ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5707615#post5707615
[03:09] <Metalhead> hey
[03:09] <Ben64> TBotNik: what do you actually want to accomplish
[03:10] <TBotNik> Ben64: Did you read the post?
[03:10] <Ben64> yep
[03:11] <TBotNik> Ben64: The file will not process without fullpath/filename.  Current ls only shows filename
[03:12] <Ben64> TBotNik: what do you actually want to accomplish
[03:18] <blackbear008> ?
[03:19] <TBotNik> Ben64: Updated the post, to explain. Hope it helps!
[03:19] <ceramic_mug> where is post?
[03:22] <Guest63396> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5707615#post5707615 ceramic_mug, here i think
[03:22] <TBotNik> Ben64: The "grep" processing pulls all the email addresses from each file.
[03:22] <ceramic_mug> thx
[03:24] <TBotNik> Ben64: Have it working in a hardcoded version, but automating with searches as each person using Thunderbird will have their own peculiar set of directories.
[03:27] <ceramic_mug> TBotNik: how about sending the list of files in the directory ImapMail to a file and then using a bash script (or python would work) to individually go through the lines and remove any with a '.'
[03:28] <ceramic_mug> TBotNik: i guess you could then just re-read the file and take the output to do whatever you need
[03:33] <TBotNik> Ben64, ceramic_mug: Just updated the post again, for better explaination. The grep is the processing and pulls all email addresses from each file. However because the fullpath is missing the files never process, because linux requires either you be in that local directory of the file or you have the fullfilename which includes the full absolute path.
[03:38] <ceramic_mug> TBotNick: can you use 'ls -a /dir | grep -R "$var"'
[04:15] <w6equj5> Hi all, I've created a "bootable" USB stick of Xubuntu 14.04 using uNetBootin on a Xubuntu 16.04 laptop. That USB was used without a problem to install Xubuntu on a new desktop computer, but on another computer, the BIOS sends me a "missing operating system" error. Any clues?
[04:19] <ikonia> w6equj5: probably grub wasn't installed to the hard disk,so there is nothing to boot
[04:21] <w6equj5> ikonia, Grub is installed on the computer, I'm sure of that. The computer has Ubuntu installed on it, and working, but I'm trying to replace it using my bootable USB that I've already used successfully on another computer.
[04:22] <w6equj5> ikonia, when chosing to boot from USB, it says missing OS, booting from the HD works fine and it boots Xubuntu with no problem.
[04:23] <w6equj5> Any chance the USB stick got corrupted during the install on the other computer? It's a Xubuntu 14.04 Live USB created with unetbootin.
[04:25] <ikonia> w6equj5: how are you sure grub is installed on the hard disk
[04:26] <w6equj5> ikonia, because when the USB stick is not plugged in, the computer boots (using grub) Ubuntu (with an option to boot on Windows 10 as well, but I'm getting rid of the latter.
[04:26] <ikonia> w6equj5: are you %100 sure the machine is booting from "that" usb
[04:27] <w6equj5> ikonia, I've tried to use the BIOS menu to boot through all the available options, and there are no other USB plugged in, so I'd say I'm pretty sure.
[04:28] <ikonia> w6equj5: and this usb still boots in another machine (you've tried it after it failed in this machine)
[04:29] <w6equj5> ikonia, Yes, it still boots flawlessly on the other machine.
[04:29] <ikonia> most odd, is there anything different about this machine, uefi, secure boot, something like that
[04:30] <w6equj5> Not that I know of...
[04:31] <w6equj5> The machine on which it's not working is older, but I made sure that the BIOS options allow me to boot external sources.
[04:32] <ikonia> w6equj5: I'd assume the menu is quite clear "boot from usb"
[04:32] <w6equj5> ikonia, indeed. I chose USB Compact Flash Disk, and it said "no operating system"
[04:38] <mjrosenb> I configured my laptop to hibernate when I close the lid.  what actual command is it running? just pm-hibernate?
[04:39] <ikonia> w6equj5: if you take the usb out and chose "usb compact flash disk" what do you get
[04:39] <w6equj5> ikonia, If I take the USB out I don't have the option for USB compact flash disk.
[04:40] <ikonia> w6equj5: ok, so it's pretty black and white it's trying to use the same device and getting a legit error from it
[04:41] <mjrosenb> along these lines, I need to blacklist the wacom driver.
[04:41] <mjrosenb> rather, I need to get it to modprobe -r the wacom driver before hibernating, then modprobe it after it resumes
[04:42] <mjrosenb> I kind of assume that process is called blacklisting it?
[04:42] <w6equj5> ikonia, seems like it...  little update, the BIOS of the failing machine might be fucked. I'm trying to boot it and it's going through a suuuuuper long RAM check (1mb/s). The reason I wanted to format and clean all of it was because booting was super slow. Now I might have an answer...
[04:42] <ikonia> w6equj5: try to control the language, there isn't a need for it
[04:43] <ikonia> w6equj5: I'd suspect the bios to be "ok" or "bad" a ram check isn't normally a bios problem
[04:45] <w6equj5> ikonia, I don't anything about BIOS to be honest, there's just a line saying (at the moment) 750MB OK, Single Channel Mode and counting. I don't know if that's a RAM check. This is the startup BIOS screen (with the BIOS version number, American Megatrends logo etc.)
[04:47] <rud0lf> w6equj5: in some bioses you can turn on "fast boot"
[04:47] <rud0lf> with no check
[04:47] <rud0lf> it may be called different name
[04:48] <davidomanfredo> w6ewuj5, i d rather say check your ram slots, this might be a hardware reason
[04:49] <w6equj5> rud0lf, yes I've seen that option in my BIOS, but I'm struggling to get to the BIOS options now, not sure why
[04:49] <w6equj5> davidomanfredo, yep that seems like a good idea, i'll get to that.
[04:49] <rud0lf> common keys are f2, f9 and f12
[04:50] <davidomanfredo> Maybe some pins are not connected or a block is not functioning correctly
[04:50] <w6equj5> rud0lf, davidomanfredo, ikonia, thanks all for your help, but it really looks like this is absolutely not a Ubuntu problem anymore, and might take some longer steps to solve... Thanks anyway!
[04:50] <rud0lf> good luck
[04:50] <davidomanfredo> Yw!
[04:50] <w6equj5> Thanks
[05:18] <mclaren> hey
[05:18] <mclaren> my sound isn't working
[05:18] <mclaren> and doing aplay -l gives the output: device_list:268: no soundcards found
[05:21] <mclaren> hey
[05:21] <mclaren> anyone?
[05:21] <davidomanfredo> mclaren: your System is not recognizing your soundcard
[05:21] <mclaren> yeah
[05:21] <mclaren> but when i do lspci -v
[05:22] <mclaren> wait let me paste this davidomanfredo
[05:22] <mclaren> davidomanfredo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24535204/
[06:22] <eghiser> Hi! I would like to output updates to a log file as soon as they are written. Which command should i look up?
[06:23] <Dr_Z2A> updates?
[06:23] <eghiser> ...yes
[06:24] <hateball> eghiser: Updates of what?
[06:24] <eghiser> of content :D
[06:24] <eghiser> Whatever log4j will write to the file, i'd like to see "live"
[06:25] <Dr_Z2A> not totally sure if I'm with what you are looking for, but tee might be what you are looking for
[06:25] <eghiser> So whatever is  newly written to the file should output on the screen
[06:25] <eghiser> thank you
[06:25] <Dr_Z2A> de nada
[06:26] <hateball> eghiser: tail -f log.file
[06:27] <eghiser> thank you
[06:27] <antisol> hi. I'm having trouble getting a bluetooth mouse to work in xubuntu 14.04, I'm hoping someone can help me out? :)
[06:27] <hateball> !details | antisol
[06:28] <antisol> I try to pair it with blueman and it asks me to enter a passcode on the mouse. It then waits for a while and says 'successfully added the device', and the deivce shows up in blueman, but the mouse isn't working. but then
[06:31] <antisol> I've tried searching and it seems like using a bluetooth mouse should be pretty straightforward, I haven't come across anybody with a similar issue. The mouse is a logitech MX anywhere 2.
[06:35] <antisol> ...? nobody has any ideas where to start?
[06:40] <hateball> antisol: Well it's early morning in Europe, late night in USA
[06:40] <hateball> So... just be patient, I guess
[06:40] <antisol> good point. thanks.
[06:41] <rud0lf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/636712/logitech-mx-anywhere-2-mouse-pairs-but-doesnt-do-anything
[06:41] <rud0lf> i've found this
[06:44] <antisol> aha. that looks like it might help. not sure why I didn't find it!
[06:44] <antisol> thanks!
[06:45] <rud0lf> yw
[06:47] <giuseppe_> hi to all, I'm trying to change the sudoers so I can poweroff my computer without using the password but, after I insert: giusepp ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff
[06:47] <giuseppe_> giusepp is the name of the user
[06:48] <giuseppe_> but after that when i try to execute poweroff, it says i'm not root, so any idea? thanks to all :)
[06:48] <antisol> and my mouse is working! thanks again! you wouldn't believe how long I've spent tryinG to make this work!
[06:51] <hateball> giuseppe_: you'll still need to issue sudo
[06:52] <giuseppe_> hateball there is a way for avoid that?
[06:53] <ducasse> giuseppe_: set up an alias
[06:55] <giuseppe_> I tried also: Cmnd_Alias POWEROFF = /sbin/poweroff and then giusepp ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: POWEROFF
[06:55] <giuseppe_> but i suppose is it the same thing of before
[06:55] <giuseppe_> or do you mean another kind of alias?
[06:55] <rud0lf> nopasswd means allow to use sudo with no password prompt
[06:55] <giuseppe_> I'm pretty new about all this staff
[06:55] <ducasse> giuseppe_: type 'help alias' in a shell
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[06:58] <giuseppe_> so i should create a new alias with
[06:58] <giuseppe_> poweroff= sudo poweroff
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[06:59] <giuseppe_> thanks to all :)
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[07:05] <rud0lf> is it wrong to close ubuntu with "sudo shutdown -h now" ?
[07:05] <rud0lf> from terminal
[07:06] <Flannel> rud0lf: no
[07:06] <rud0lf> thank you
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[07:08] <jushur> time to go +R maybe
[07:11] <Ben64> they don't even know how to bot properly
[07:15] <genericuser123> that was random.
[07:44] <Simooon> Hi, I want to print using a printer with a printer with no Linux driver, I was thinking of using a Windows computer set up to the printer, and send the document through that, does anyone have any experience with this or have some better alternatives? A point in the right direction would be appreciated :-)
[07:45] <anakhlawy_> hey
[07:45] <ducasse> Simooon: i don't know of any way to do this (i briefly looked into it a while ago), but ask in a cups channel.
[07:46] <Simooon> ducasse, ah, good idea, thanks :-)
[07:47] <rory> Ubuntu 17.04, Intel integrated graphics, doing anything on the screen causes it to get drawn slowly, from top to bottom. e.g. changing tab in Firefox, I see the content slowly get drawn from the top of the screen.
[07:47] <rory> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[07:47] <ducasse> Simooon: i actually wanted to print from a bsd machine with no driver to linux with one, but couldn't find a way.
[07:51] <Simooon> ducasse, I thought that would be trivial, but I guess that is why I did not find anything :-/ I'm making a program, and I'm using a lot of command line tools, so can't exactly deploy it on windows...
[07:54] <latino31> rory i have intel and I recently upgraded to 17.04 ive been getting a weekly freeze
[07:54] <latino31> i feel your pain
[07:58] <hiro-protagonist> I have got serious graphics problems in Ububtu 16.04 LTS. NVIdia 940 MX. Drivers are fucking over with me, am a beginner, a student.
[07:58] <hiro-protagonist> -ping
[07:58] <akik> !language
[07:59] <irth> hiro-protagonist: did you install the closed-source drivers?
[07:59] <ducasse> Simooon: everything i found needed a driver, unfortunately... i 'fixed' it by printing to pdf on an nfs share and printed from another host, but that's not a long-term fix...
[08:00] <cloudbud> my zookeeper cluster is not cmoing up
[08:00] <cloudbud> Error contacting service. It is probably not running.
[08:03] <hiro-protagonist> i didnt use the ubuntu tool but the official Nvidia tool i guess
[08:03] <irth> you downloaded something from the nvidia website?
[08:03] <hiro-protagonist> yeah
[08:03] <hiro-protagonist> that didnt work
[08:03] <irth> well that may be the cause of the problem
[08:04] <hiro-protagonist> so I downloaded from the repository
[08:04] <irth> did you uninstall the nvidia one?
[08:04] <hiro-protagonist> yeah
[08:04] <hiro-protagonist> I did a lot of things
[08:04] <hiro-protagonist> Its not detecting the raphic features the card shoueld giv
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> even if I installed the correct drivers
[08:05] <irth> you have two video cards right?
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> only 1
[08:05] <irth> intel & nvidia?
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> that buggs me
[08:05] <Simooon> ducasse, The problem is that it has to print automatically when I trigger some events in a program, I guess it could work over the network, with an other program on an other windows computer, but then we are getting a little out of my area of expertise, anyway a guy on #cups suggested that it might work with a generic driver, so I will test that first, the problem is that I'm doing a project for a guy on an other continent, so I can't exactly tinker too
[08:05] <Simooon> much with it myself, though hopefully I will get remote access to the systems later today :-)
[08:05] <irth> is it not a laptop?
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> yeah
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> intel hd
[08:05] <irth> okay
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> and i switched it
[08:05] <irth> using the nvidia-settings panel?
[08:05] <hiro-protagonist> I tried that too
[08:06] <hiro-protagonist> Its something related to the machine I have
[08:06] <irth> what was the other way that you tried? :P
[08:06] <irth> btw, what laptop is that?
[08:06] <hiro-protagonist> Aspire E15
[08:06] <hiro-protagonist> Acer
[08:06] <irth> mmkay
[08:06] <hiro-protagonist> E5-575G-53VG
[08:06] <irth> did you reboot after switching in nvidia-settings?
[08:06] <hiro-protagonist> Yes
[08:06] <ducasse> Simooon: you could just save them in a 'queue' directory, and have a short script pick them up, print and delete them on the other host.
[08:07] <irth> and what exactly does not work?
[08:07] <hiro-protagonist> The graphic card features
[08:07] <hiro-protagonist> I installed Dota2
[08:07] <hiro-protagonist> And it was at an horrible 10 fps
[08:07] <hiro-protagonist> And then i knew something was wrong
[08:07] <irth> well that may not be the fault of the drivers
[08:07] <hiro-protagonist> so i checked if the card is active
[08:08] <hiro-protagonist> and i cant manage to find a way to make it work
[08:08] <irth> did you play dota on linux before on this laptop
[08:08] <irth> ?
[08:08] <hiro-protagonist> nope
[08:08] <hiro-protagonist> But i have done the same on an another machine
[08:08] <irth> on windows?
[08:08] <hiro-protagonist> windows it runs at 70 fps at the same settings
[08:09] <hiro-protagonist> I will have to dual boot I guess
[08:09] <hiro-protagonist> I dont have an additional hard disk as ubuntu is running on 256 gb ssd
[08:09] <irth> I am not sure whether Dota should perform better, but this card is not really great for gaming especially on linux :P
[08:09] <hiro-protagonist> Its okay for dota
[08:09] <irth> I barely get 30 fps on the lowest settings on linux
[08:09] <irth> in rocket league*
[08:10] <hiro-protagonist> hehe
[08:10] <hiro-protagonist> so maybe i will dual boot
[08:10] <irth> it works much better on windows
[08:10] <hiro-protagonist> Rocket league is awesome though
[08:10] <irth> could you just check one thing?
[08:10] <hiro-protagonist> sure
[08:10] <irth> try running glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[08:11] <oerheks> hiro-protagonist, for that GeForce® 940MX on that E5-575G-53VG you would need the nvidia 361 driver or up
[08:11] <hiro-protagonist> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:11] <hiro-protagonist> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:11] <hiro-protagonist> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:11] <hiro-protagonist> I have tried this
[08:11] <irth> so yeah, it seems that you are running on the gpu
[08:11] <hiro-protagonist> Again i have that installed
[08:12] <hiro-protagonist> what was the command to see which driver is installed cuurently
[08:12] <Simooon> ducasse, was thinking something like this, guess I better look into how to make a script like this :-P
[08:12] <oerheks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[08:12] <irth> i say for shure, but it might be just that the linux driver is not performant enough unfortunately. I'll let more experience people speak, though\
[08:13] <irth> *i cant say for sure
[08:13] <hiro-protagonist> 	Kernel driver in use: i915_bpo
[08:13] <ducasse> Simooon: in bash shell it would be a two-three line for loop, no clue about windows :)
[08:14] <oerheks> hiro-protagonist,  so the onboard intel is working
[08:14] <hiro-protagonist> I guess i have to reinstall the nvidia driver
[08:14] <irth> its weird because glxinfo reports running on the NVIDIA card, no?
[08:15] <hiro-protagonist> exactly
[08:15] <hiro-protagonist> :p
[08:17] <irth> this card works just fine for me but instead of NVidia PRIME i use Bumblebee, and that may be a little bit tricky to set up...
[08:17] <irth> oerheks: actually, that grep in your command wouldn't pick up the nvidia card
[08:18] <irth> its not a "VGA compatible controller" but a "3D controller"
[08:18] <hiro-protagonist> Okay i am installing nvidia-375\
[08:19] <Simooon> ducasse, exactly :-P
[08:19] <irth> lspci -nnk | grep -Ei '(vga|3D)' -A3 | grep 'in use'   #this would be the command to use
[08:19] <Simooon> oh well perhaps I should look into the linux subsystem in windows
[08:19] <ducasse> Simooon: was just writing that :)
[08:20] <irth> Simooon: make sure you have Creators update if you do, they improved it a lot there
[08:21] <Simooon> irth, okay, will do thanks :-)
[08:21] <MrCoder> Anybody recommend a fast remote mount other than NFS or SSHFS?
[08:22] <hiro-protagonist> 	Kernel driver in use: i915_bpo
[08:22] <hiro-protagonist> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[08:22] <Simooon> irth, can you get all the command line tools in that, or is it just that you can use BASH?
[08:22] <irth> it is a full ubuntu
[08:22] <Simooon> oh wow
[08:23] <irth> actually, if you want to compile something for windows in it...
[08:23] <irth> it isn't easier than on linux i think
[08:23] <Simooon> so I can use apt-get and everything?
[08:23] <irth> because it runs unmodified linux binaries
[08:23] <irth> yeah
[08:23] <Simooon> cool
[08:23] <oerheks> !ubuwin
[08:23] <irth> but if you compile something there you'll get linux binaries
[08:23] <irth> oerheks: mmkay :D
[08:24] <oerheks> it is still beta
[08:25] <blackflow> MrCoder: samba?
[08:25] <MrCoder> Any others?
[08:25] <MrCoder> Just wondering if there is another solution, even if enterprise.
[08:25] <hiro-protagonist> glxinfo | grep OpenGL | grep renderer
[08:25] <hiro-protagonist> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[08:25] <hiro-protagonist>   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)
[08:25] <hiro-protagonist>   Minor opcode of failed request:  24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)
[08:25] <hiro-protagonist>   Value in failed request:  0x0
[08:26] <hiro-protagonist>   Serial number of failed request:  39
[08:26] <oerheks> !paste
[08:26] <MrCoder> Trying to do GIT commands over NFS/SSHFS and its slow or does not work. (1gbps line, fine on local network)
[08:26] <irth> MrCoder: why do you try to use git on nfs?
[08:27] <irth> instead of using git remotes for that?
[08:27] <blackflow> MrCoder: none at filesystem level that I know are worth considering. There are block level remote-y things like nbd, glusterfs, moosefs and I'm sure I'm forgetting some
[08:27] <ducasse> iscsi
[08:28] <blackflow> ah yes
[08:29] <ducasse> MrCoder: but irth is right, just use git remote
[08:29] <MrCoder> irth, website development. Want to editing on a remote debug server and once happy with changes commit. This is to avoid the client needing an instance of the website and bypassing making lots of commits just to debug something simple.
[08:30] <MrCoder> edit*
[08:30] <irth> MrCoder: typically you'd host a local development server
[08:30] <hiro-protagonist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24535675/
[08:30] <irth> MrCoder: at least that's what most people do
[08:31] <MrCoder> irth, we know :)
[08:32] <MrCoder> This is the main blocker at the moment. Speed of NFS is pahhh.
[08:32] <MrCoder> Or its the VPN overhead
[08:32] <irth> I like using docker to quickly set up a DB or whatever
[08:32] <MrCoder> Not sure yet
[08:33] <MrCoder> irth, not practical when the DB/files are 20gig+ but I know where you are coming from.
[08:33] <irth> when I have to edit something on a remote server I just launch vim via ssh, but that may not be nice for you
[08:34] <lcr_> Do we have a kernel related irc channel?
[08:34] <rory> maybe ##linux
[08:35] <irth> MrCoder: actually, maybe try asking on ##Linux too, as this question is quite general and they may be able to help
[08:36] <blackflow> MrCoder: so why don't you edit locally with a local git tree (that can have a remote origin), and for pushing changes to development/production server just script it with rsync?
[08:36] <lcr_> yes, but there are some patches only applied in ubuntu kernel pkg, im wondering is there a place to talk about
[08:39] <Wulf> Good Morning
[08:40] <Wulf> "nmcli d" says "eth0 ethernet unmanaged". Why would NetworkManager not manage eth0? it's not listed in /etc/network/** anywhere
[08:41] <blackflow> Wulf: which ubuntu?
[08:41] <Wulf> blackflow: 17.04
[08:42] <blackflow> Wulf: there's no eth0 on 17.04 unless you deliberately reverted NIC naming to the old scheme. it's something like enpX...  depending on the slot/bus/type    ip link show will tell you
[08:42] <Wulf> blackflow: device is "eth0"
[08:42] <Wulf> blackflow: I'm not sure why, but it is
[08:42] <Ben64> is it actually ubuntu, or is it something else
[08:42] <Wulf> Ben64: yes, it is ubuntu
[08:42] <blackflow> I'm betting on the latter
[08:42] <Ben64> yeah me too
[08:43] <blackflow> Wulf: pastebin    dmesg | grep eth0    please
[08:43] <blackflow> Wulf: also     ip addr show
[08:44] <Wulf> blackflow: http://codepad.org/Gre6umaD
[08:45] <blackflow> 6000 seconds until the nic is tried? lol
[08:45] <adac> Is there an easy way to port an installation of ubuntun 16.04  from once pc to another?
[08:45] <Wulf> blackflow: http://codepad.org/9HzVBsDP
[08:45] <adac> *ubuntu
[08:45] <Wulf> blackflow: that was I using "ip link set dev eth0 up"
[08:46] <Ben64> !cloning | adac
[08:47] <blackflow> Wulf: do you have "net.ifnames=0" in the kernel line?
[08:47] <Ddddkdkdk> hey
[08:47] <Ddddkdkdk> I installed ubuntu yesterday on my server
[08:47] <Ddddkdkdk> everything worked fine
[08:48] <Ddddkdkdk> turned it off for the night
[08:48] <Ddddkdkdk> and it's gone o.o
[08:48] <Wulf> blackflow: not according to /proc/cmdline
[08:48] <blackflow> Ddddkdkdk: please don't use enter instead of a comma or period.
[08:48] <Ddddkdkdk> Sorry.
[08:48] <Wulf> blackflow: but there is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules with eth0
[08:49] <Ddddkdkdk> I rebooted it several times yesterday, turned it off too. It was off the entire night. Any reason this could happen?
[08:49] <blackflow> Wulf: is that an upgrade from an earlier version, or new install?
[08:49] <blackflow> Ddddkdkdk: what do you mean.... "gone" ?
[08:49] <Wulf> blackflow: upgrade
[08:49] <Ddddkdkdk> Like, I can't boot it.
[08:50] <blackflow> Wulf: from what version?
[08:50] <Ddddkdkdk> "Boot failed. hard disk 0"
[08:50] <Ddddkdkdk> Yesterday, I went to boot device and I could see ubuntu. But not it isn't there
[08:50] <Wulf> blackflow: uhh.. I think it was 14.04, 16.04, 17.04
[08:50] <blackflow> Ddddkdkdk: well, if it rebooted and cold started yesterday and then bam overnight it doesn't any more, I'd blame the hard drive.
[08:50] <Wulf> blackflow: but not sure
[08:51] <Ddddkdkdk> Did the disk magically die overnight, while it was not running?
[08:51] <Ddddkdkdk> Damn.
[08:51] <TTN> hi I'm following steps to compile my own kernel. I'm stuck at the command: chmod a+x debian/rules the guide does not specify which directory to cd into.  Could someone point out which one it is? the guide I'm following is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[08:51] <Ddddkdkdk> Or well, erased itself.
[08:52] <blackflow> Wulf: iirc you can safely remove that file (make a backup of it as i'm not 100% sure), because with systemd the NIC naming scheme is new, and if you really want to retain eth0, don't do it with the udev rule.
[08:52] <blackflow> Wulf: so anyway, with 17.04, wired NICs are no longer managed by NM afaik
[08:53] <Wulf> blackflow: what? NM can't handle wired anymore?
[08:53] <blackflow> Ddddkdkdk: if you don't even get the grub menu, and you didn't change anything about it, then yes, I'd blame the drive failing
[08:53] <Wulf> blackflow: sorry, but that's hard to believe.
[08:53] <Ddddkdkdk> blackflow: yeah
[08:53] <blackflow> Wulf: I don't think it's an issue of "can't", more like "won't". let me find you the relevant link, sec...
[08:54] <akik> Wulf: i use net.ifnames=0 on 16.04 but still i need to use a udev rule to rename a usb ethernet dongle
[08:54] <TTN> anyone?
[08:55] <Wulf> blackflow: so how should I do it nowadays? somehow systemd?
[08:56] <blackflow> Wulf: I can't find the link now
[08:57] <blackflow> Wulf: just put an "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces   for the NIC
[08:57] <blackflow> be it eth0 or whatever name you get if you remove that udev rule
[08:57] <Wulf> blackflow: and then what?
[08:57] <Wulf> blackflow: I need 802.1x there too
[08:58] <Wulf> which is configured for NM
[08:58] <akik> i find it very strange that network-manager would not support ethernet devices any more
[08:58] <Wulf> akik: with systemd around, everything's possible
[09:01] <blackflow> Wulf: you don't need to put anything about wifi in there, that can be managed by NM
[09:01] <Wulf> blackflow: I'm not talking about wifi
[09:02] <blackflow> Wulf: ah, here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/838865/network-manager-refusing-to-manage-wired-interfaces
[09:02] <blackflow> there is a workaround
[09:02] <blackflow> so no, you won't need the interfaces file
[09:04] <akik> "On further investigation, this only happens when the root filesystem is ZFS."
[09:04] <Wulf> zfs? How would that be related?
[09:05] <blackflow> I doubt it is
[09:06] <blackflow> the question has been asked a lot of times lately here, primarily with 17.04 systems, and that workaround seems to have helped.
[09:08] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[09:08] <akik> Wulf: the person probably changed some config files that he forgot about. i doubt the fs has anything to do with it
[09:09] <akik> and wasn't it so that ubuntu does not support zfs on root fs?
[09:09] <OnkelTem> I have problem with building docker image based on ubuntu:xenial. Despite I set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive when I install `x-window-system` it starts interactive keyboard configuration. Any ideas how to aviod it?
[09:29] <maxyspark> I am new to ubuntu. How can I optimize the battery use of my laptop?
[09:29] <maxyspark> battery charge drains quickly
[09:30] <davidomanfredo> maxyspark: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/improve-battery-life-linux
[09:34] <C_minus> Want to do fresh install. For some reason Win7 installer usb wont allow me to delete partitions. So I opened up a live USB for ubuntu 16.04 and opened gparted. But the options to delete partitions are greyed out in gparted too.
[09:39] <akik> C_minus: you can delete your partitions in shell: "sudo fdisk /dev/sdX" or "sudo gdisk /dev/sdX"
[09:43] <danakil> hello ! I want to add a new disk but I'm not sure where to add my (permanent) mount point. Is /mnt a better option than /media ?
[09:48] <Wulf> blackflow: thanks, the link helped
[09:48] <danakil> bonjour messieurs/dames ! J'aimerais rajouter un nouveau disque et donc ajouter un point de montage permanent. Je ne suis pas sûr du meilleur endroit, /media ou /mnt (ou autre) ? Une recommandation ?
[09:48] <danakil> oups sorry, wrong channel
[09:48] <sameee> oui
[09:49] <sameee> j'habite dans un boit
[09:49] <danakil> is this "oui" directed to me ?
[09:49] <sameee> oui.
[09:49] <danakil> so, what's the better place ? media or mnt ?
[09:50] <sameee> mnt i think
[09:50] <sameee> but i've been wrong before in my life
[09:50] <sameee> I don't think it really matters.  I have used /media in the past.
[09:52] <ducasse> danakil: i actually create directories for each mount directly off the root, like /storage
[09:55] <danakil> ok ducasse, so I can ignore the defaults /media and /mnt
[09:55] <danakil> ok thanks
[09:56] <littlebit> hi people, I have a problem with my cups package. When I do a "apt-get install cups" I get this error message: https://pastebin.com/t9cLXS5D
[09:56] <littlebit> can someone help??
[09:56] <MarkBilk> A friend is trying to install skype according to the first set of instructions here, but it says it can't find the skype package,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/775087/how-to-install-skype-in-ubuntu-16-04
[09:57] <Ben64> MarkBilk: need to enable the parner repo and apt update like it says
[09:57] <ducasse> danakil: yes, you can do whatever you feel like. the way i do it was common on un*x systems way back, and makes sense to me.
[09:57] <icecool> Is there a way to extract the username or mac address that created a file such as an rtf, txt, or jpg?
[09:58] <Ben64> icecool: username maybe. try ls -l foo.jpg
[09:58] <icecool> Ben64, they are files created on another machine that I downloaded from a server
[09:58] <Ben64> then no
[09:58] <icecool> So I mean "original creator" kinda info
[10:01] <MarkBilk> Ben64: The "Other Software" tab does not have the "Canonical Partners" entry.  She is running in RAM, uninstalled, if that makes a difference.
[10:02] <Ben64> you mean a live usb?
[10:02] <MarkBilk> Yes
[10:03] <littlebit> hi people, I have a problem with my cups package. When I do a "apt-get install cups" I get this error message: https://pastebin.com/t9cLXS5D
[10:03] <littlebit> can someone help??
[10:08] <rory> littlebit: what Ubuntu version?
[10:12] <MrCoder> Anybody know why a folder that is 777 can be read by root with no issues but the www-data user just sees permission denied? ACL is not installed.
[10:12] <Ben64> don't make things 777
[10:13] <MrCoder> Ben64, was only doing it for testing.
[10:13] <Ben64> it's a bad test
[10:13] <karanlearns> hi guys. when i try to install pygtksourceview - i get unable to locate package - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/pygtksourceview
[10:14] <Ben64> pygtksourceview doesn't exist in the xenial repos
[10:14] <karanlearns> oh ok
[10:15] <karanlearns> how did you know this
[10:15] <MrCoder> Ben64, why? surely making the folder 777 just to rule out it was not group/user permissions was a fine and logical test to do. Nice troll...
[10:15] <Ben64> MrCoder: not everything is a troll, calm down
[10:16] <Ben64> karanlearns: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pygtksourceview&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all
[10:17] <karanlearns> thanks ben64
[10:18] <cbauer> repositories for apt-get should get updated as first step of `apt-get update`, right?
[10:18] <ksk> yap.
[10:18] <Ben64> cbauer: yes
[10:19] <cbauer> cause I'm getting 'Cannot initiate the connection to security.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1562::19). - connect (13: Permission denied) [IP: 2001:67c:1562::19 80]' at some point during the update process
[10:20] <cbauer> ipv6 doesn't seem to work I guess
[10:20] <Ben64> cbauer: are you on actual ubuntu?
[10:20] <Ben64> cbauer: on an actual computer?
[10:21] <karanlearns> i downloaded pygtksourceview - configure worked but make does not work
[10:21] <karanlearns> actually i got error in configure
[10:21] <karanlearns> sorry
[10:22] <Rumbles> what error?
[10:22] <cbauer> depends on what you mean with actual ubuntu, it is an ubuntu version, but what you maybe mean is if I am using WSL for which the answer would be yes
[10:23] <Ben64> cbauer: thats the linux on windows thing?
[10:23] <cbauer> yeah
[10:23] <Ben64> so the answer would be no :)
[10:23] <Rumbles> #ubuntu-on-windows is oyour friend
[10:23] <Ben64> anyway according to the googles, it has to do with a firewall/antivirus
[10:24] <karanlearns> pygobject not satisfied @rumbles
[10:24] <karanlearns> i am doing jhbuild build pygobject ...
[10:24] <karanlearns> taking long
[10:24] <natten> cbauer: not really familiar with this, but you could try to use -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true when doing apt-get update
[10:25] <Rumbles> there should be pygobject binaries in the repos karanlearns
[10:25] <Rumbles> python-gi or python3-gi for python 3
[10:26] <karanlearns> @rumbles sorry i didnt follow
[10:26] <karanlearns> as i got pygobject not satisfied
[10:26] <karanlearns> i did jhbuild build pygobject
[10:26] <karanlearns> and its taking long time
[10:26] <Rumbles> ok, but you can just install it
[10:26] <karanlearns> done now :)
[10:26] <Rumbles> no need to build yourself
[10:27] <karanlearns> oh ok - with apt-get install ?
[10:27] <Rumbles> yeah
[10:27] <Rumbles> apt-cache search pygobject
[10:27] <Rumbles> lists the packages
[10:28] <cbauer> natten: 'Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (91.189.88.149). - connect (13: Permission denied) [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]'
[10:31] <karanlearns> cool - trying even after building , i get - i get error that pygobject2 not satisfied
[10:32] <karanlearns> probably jhbuild installed pygobject 3 and not 2
[10:32] <Rumbles> cbauer, firewall or av: https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows/issues/761
[10:34] <biglinux> oi
[10:35] <hateball> !ubuwin | cbauer
[10:36] <cbauer> Rumbles: is allowed in firewall though
[10:36] <ales_> hi guys, anyone can help me to solve issue when deluge doesnt see already downloaded files after restarting computer?
[10:37] <ales_> the drive where the files are downloaded is automounted as i can see
[10:39] <tomreyn> ales_: maybe try asking in #deluge
[10:39] <Rumbles> cbauer, it's a bug, the firewall might not work properly, try disabling your av and firewall and retest (and maybe uninstall av it if it's one of those mentioned in that bug report)
[10:40] <Rumbles> and cbauer #ubuntu-on-windows is the place to ask about this
[10:41] <yossarianuk> Hi - we are setting up an office squid proxy / gateway using Ipfire in a KVM vm (using ubuntu 16.04 as the KVM host) - as there is going to be a lot of network traffic through the vm is it a good idea to enable 'vhost_net'?
[10:41] <yossarianuk> I notice in Ubuntu the default setting in /etc/default/qemu-kvm is 'VHOST_NET_ENABLED=0'
[10:41] <yossarianuk> so logically should I set that to 'VHOST_NET_ENABLED=1'?
[10:41] <ales_> tomreyn, thx
[10:41] <cbauer> Rumbles: I know that it worked before and as I'm unable to disable AV it shouldn't be that causing the problem, I did allow it in firewall though
[10:42] <tomreyn> cbauer: still the wrong channel
[10:42] <cbauer> Rumbles: just wanted to check if it's an issue that can be solved in ubuntu, I know about your mentioned channel (and there's actually another one) but seems to be a complicated issue, for me sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[10:42] <yossarianuk> ill ask in the server room..
[10:43] <cbauer> thanks for trying to help
[10:43] <Rumbles> np
[10:43] <karanlearns> i am trying to compile a program in vala with the line - var prov_words = new Gtk.SourceCompletionWords (null, null);
[10:43] <karanlearns> but i get sourcecompletionwords not found
[10:43] <karanlearns> https://valadoc.org/gtksourceview-3.0/Gtk.SourceCompletionWords.SourceCompletionWords.html
[10:45] <tomreyn> karanlearns: try irc://irc.gnome.org/vala
[10:45] <MarkBilk> Is it possible to install skype in ubuntu running on a live USB stick?
[10:46] <ales_> when i restart computer, when my second drive is set to automount, should I see the shortcut of the drive on desktop?
[10:47] <ales_> i see only my sd card shortcut there, so seems like the second hdd drive doesnt mount properly?
[10:51] <bach2a_moi> a
[10:52] <OnceMe> if I want to upgrade to ubuntu 16.04 I want it to be stable, and not use external ppa's
[10:52] <OnceMe> should I disable them before upgrade?
[10:52] <OnceMe> from 14.04
[10:54] <tomreyn> MarkBilk: i dont see why not, but i would definitely recommend against it for everyday use.
[10:55] <tomreyn> OnceMe: yes, you always should disable and even deconfigure PPAs before upgrades, using ppa-purge
[10:56] <MarkBilk> tomreyn: Unfortunately my friend's computer has a bad hard drive.
[10:58] <tomreyn> MarkBilk: then he should either replace it or, as a temporary measure, install ubuntu to the usb stick and run it from there (as if it was a hard disk).
[10:58] <tomreyn> this will, however, require temporary access to another writable media
[11:00] <DocMAX> does anyone know the fastes way to stream games? (like nvidia gamesteam streaming). only buildin tools like x11vnc, xpra,... not steam for linux please
[11:00] <tomreyn> MarkBilk: this said, be sure to minimize writes to the usb stick since these storages can sustain a lot fewer write cycles than HDDs and SSDs,
[11:00] <moises> vuestros muertos de tos
[11:00] <moises> joputas
[11:01] <cbauer> is there a pre-installed tool with which I can test a SOCKS proxy?
[11:01] <tomreyn> !es | moises
[11:01] <DocMAX> does anyone know the fastes way to stream games? (like nvidia gamesteam streaming). only buildin tools like x11vnc, xpra,... not steam for linux please
[11:01] <moises> Yes DocMAX
[11:01] <cescribano99> proxy es un supermercado
[11:01] <cbauer> can I specify a socks proxy for apt to use?
[11:01] <DocMAX> moises, would you tell?
[11:01] <moises> No
[11:02] <moises> It's a secret
[11:02] <moises> shhhh
[11:02] <cescribano99> pero que te pasa?
[11:02] <moises> DoxMAX
[11:02] <littlebit> rory: Linux 4.4.0-77-generic #98-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 08:34:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:02] <moises> Try to search MyNabo
[11:02] <tomreyn> !es | cescribano99
[11:03] <rory> littlebit: try apt-get update && apt-get -f install
[11:03] <littlebit> rory: no errors of fixes made there
[11:04] <moises> try reset
[11:04] <littlebit> rory: still get the same error when doing an apt-get install...
[11:04] <DocMAX> moises, i will give you 0.4 bitcoins!
[11:04] <bach2a_> hello
[11:05] <moises> 0.4 is a shit
[11:05] <moises> I need some more
[11:05] <DocMAX> 0.6
[11:05] <moises> No
[11:05] <cpaelzer> yossarianuk: vhost_net is loaded in ost cases even without being set there, the conf only lets qemu-kvm service load it
[11:05] <Ddddkdkdk> I'll give you 20
[11:05] <moises> I'm too fat and I need more food to eat
[11:06] <moises> I cannot buy anything with that shit
[11:06] <Ddddkdkdk> what do you eat, gold?
[11:06] <DocMAX> you could afford a hooker with this
[11:07] <yossarianuk> cpaelzer: ok thanks
[11:07] <moises> I don't want a hooker
[11:07] <moises> What kind of person do you think I am?
[11:07] <moises> I don't eat pussies
[11:08] <moises> I eat donuts
[11:08] <bach2a_> this is false
[11:08] <chu> Alright, new topic pleas.
[11:08] <bach2a_> moises is always eating pussies
[11:08] <DocMAX> game streaming on linux!
[11:08] <DocMAX> with build in tools!
[11:08] <bach2a_> he wants bitcoins to go bitch houses
[11:08] <moises> You can try to record your game with a camera
[11:09] <cescribano99> moises take the 0.6 bitcoins!!
[11:09] <moises> fucking asshole why don't you think
[11:09] <chu> moises: Without the language, too
[11:09] <moises> sorry
[11:10] <Ddddkdkdk> lmao
[11:10] <bach2a_> @chu chupalaa
[11:10] <DocMAX> you get about $800 for this!!!
[11:10] <moises> DocMAX @bach2a_ can suck your dick for that prize!
[11:10] <moises> price*
[11:11] <DocMAX> bach2a_ doesnt suck dicks
[11:12] <moises> yes
[11:12] <chu> Guys, enough with the language.
[11:12] <moises> you can try to ask her
[11:12] <cbauer> btw, worked around the WSL issue by using ubuntu tools, so the fact does I was running in WSL doesn't mean I am SOL ;)
[11:12] <DocMAX> bach2a_ tells me how to stream games with build-in tools
[11:12] <moises> She is a well known friend
[11:13] <tomreyn> cbauer: use tsocks
[11:14] <cbauer> I know about tsocks but first I would have to get it
[11:14] <cbauer> kinda hard if apt can't use sock5
[11:14] <tomreyn> cbauer: how did you install this system if you have no internet access?
[11:14] <cbauer> can I download ubuntu package for offline installation from a website as supposed to from another ubuntu computer with internet connection?
[11:15] <cbauer> I only partially don't have internet and that only in ubuntu
[11:15] <cbauer> (only http connections fail)
[11:16] <OnceMe> tomreyn: ppa-purge is all I need then?
[11:17] <pynki> cbauer, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:17] <MarkBilk> tomreyn: thanks for the help!
[11:17] <cbauer> pynki: thanks
[11:17] <tomreyn> cbauer: you can download .deb packages manually and install them using dpkg. it's not the recommended, way, though, since you'll loose package dependency handling. (you'd actually need to resolve package dependencies for what you'll download manually to ensure you'll have all packages available). another option can be to setup a local APT mirror or proxy.
[11:18] <pynki> cbauer, this might send you on a long jurney to the " this depends on that ond these and them, dont forget thos!" hell
[11:18] <cbauer> well, I 'only' need to get tsocks working until I can use apt and proxy it
[11:19] <tomreyn> OnceMe: hmm, i think it's supposed to be. i like to manually ensure that i removed all unsupported / third party repositories, their GPG keys, and, most of all, all packages / package versions i had installed form them. the latter can be done using the 'apt-show-versions' utility.
[11:19] <tomreyn> MarkBilk: welcome ;)
[11:20] <OnceMe> tomreyn: I have ppas from google opera and mongodb
[11:20] <OnceMe> I dont want to remove them, since they should be trusted
[11:20] <cbauer> how do I check if a certain package is installed? apt-get --help doesn't help
[11:20] <OnceMe> dpkg --list
[11:20] <tomreyn> OnceMe: trust is a different matter than whether upgrading ubuntu is supported
[11:21] <tomreyn> OnceMe: you can try what happens while you have them active. might work, might not.
[11:21] <OnceMe> hmm
[11:22] <OnceMe> tomreyn: is it better to use ppa-purge software center to uncheck ppa-s or to remove repos from /etc/sources/list.d/ ?
[11:23] <tomreyn> OnceMe: ppa-purge is the best option if you are looking for an automated mechanism which is supposed to work reliably.
[11:24] <tomreyn> probably also the only one.
[11:25] <OnceMe> tomreyn: how do I list all ppa's to purge with ppa-purge?
[11:25] <tomreyn> OnceMe: also, please be aware that just removing the APT sources off /etc/sources/list.d/ is insufficient to prepare for an upgrade. you also need to remove / downgrade packages installed fomr these PPAs.
[11:25] <mati_> Hi i have a problem with install nbidia 375.39 driver on fresh os
[11:26] <tomreyn> OnceMe: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-cache policy  # will list all apt repositories currently known to the system.
[11:26] <mati_> It should be Nvidia
[11:27] <mati_> I don't know what is wrong but after installation of drivers whole system stuck during reboot
[11:28] <mati_> Any one know how to solve this problem?
[11:31] <hateball> mati_: where does it hang?
[11:32] <mati_> #hateball when I trying to reboot system to keep changes
[11:33] <tomreyn> mati_: personally i won't be able to help, but to get help with this be sure to describe the issue more thoroughly and provide logs on a !pastebin. look for 'EE' records in /var/log/X.*.log (logs since the latest reboot) and /var/log/X.*.log.1 (logs from before the latest reboot), also take a screenshot at the time the system gets stuck and upload it. you may also want to inspect (or upload) /var/log/syslog (and /var/log/syslog.1.gz) and
[11:33] <tomreyn> ~/.xsession-errors* . also discuss which hardware you have exactly there (sudo lspci -knnv | grep -A30 VGA), and which ubuntu version (lsb_release -d).
[11:34] <tomreyn> !paste | mati_
[11:37] <OnceMe> tomreyn: I see several 500 repos
[11:37] <OnceMe> is that normal?
[11:37] <mati_> I know it will be easier but I can not even provide any additional information because I not able to get in to log cause my whole system stuck after hard reset
[11:38] <redwolf> o/
[11:38] <redwolf> I need some help about Launchpad user names, not sure if this is the right channel
[11:40] <tomreyn> OnceMe: are you saying you have more than 500 APT repositories configured?
[11:41] <tomreyn> mati_: you can start the system in recovery mode by holding down shift at boot and selecting 'additional ...', then the recovery / emergency option.
[11:45] <tomreyn> redwolf: launchpad (the software) support is at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:46] <tomreyn> there is also #launchpad (an IRC channel on this Freenode network)
[11:46] <redwolf> thank you, tomreyn :)
[11:47] <tomreyn> welcome ;)
[11:48] <OnceMe> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/KZHXBhx2
[11:50] <ezethnesthrown> I have a problem. Please see at http://paste.ubuntu.com/24536348/
[11:50] <mati_> I didn't find anything in log each documents are empty.. I have laptop with intel and Nvidia graphics
[11:50] <tomreyn> OnceMe: those records / lines starting '500' there are not APT repositories returning HTTP 500 status. they are APT priorities. Read "How APT Interprets Priorities" in apt_preferences(5) if you would like to find out about them.
[11:51] <OnceMe> oh ok
[11:51] <OnceMe> so which ppas I should purge?
[11:52] <tomreyn> ezethnesthrown: /join #ubuntu-server
[11:52] <C_minus> I currently have a single large partition that's home to Windows 7. I would like to have Ubuntu as well as a shared partition for both OSs. How should I proceed? Do I need to re-install Windows fresh before I start this process?
[11:52] <OnceMe> do I run purge-ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/strukturag/libde265/ubuntu/
[11:52] <OnceMe> for example?
[11:52] <scottjl> C_minus: get a hold of a partition manager and shrink your windows 7 partition
[11:52] <ezethnesthrown> Ahh, sorry for the wrong channel
[11:53] <tomreyn> OnceMe: you should purge all PPAs. Use 'ppa-purge --help' to learn how to use it.
[11:53] <C_minus> scottjl: OK can do. I want to follow this https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/35807/how-to-harmonize-your-dual-boot-setup-for-windows-and-ubuntu/ but they assume you've already made your partitions. Will gparted running from the Ubuntu live installer stick suffice for this purpose of resizing the Windows partition?
[11:56] <OnceMe> tomreyn: sure, but i need to remove each ppa separately
[11:56] <OnceMe> I cannot purge all at once with one command
[11:56] <tomreyn> OnceMe: that's correct
[11:58] <OnceMe> tomreyn: check 4th and 5th line
[11:58] <OnceMe> how do I find ppa name?
[12:04] <mclaren> hey, someone mind looking at my thread? my sound isn't working: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360748
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:05] <gogeta> mclaren, you shure its set as defult
[12:05] <mclaren> what
[12:05] <gogeta> mclaren, pulse id good for setting your himi out is defult
[12:05] <gogeta> a
[12:05] <gogeta> sas
[12:06] <gogeta> dam that was fail at spelling
[12:06] <mclaren> yeah i was wondering
[12:07] <gogeta> mclaren, you have 2 sound devices sometimes it sets the hdmi as defult i just turn mine off and its fine then
[12:07] <mclaren> oh ok
[12:07] <tomreyn> OnceMe: based on the apt-cache policy output you seem to have 7 PPAs installed. you can check your configurations in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to determine which arguemnts to pass to the ppa-purge command.
[12:07] <mclaren> im pretty sure the hdmi one isnt the default gogeta
[12:07] <cbauer> I've tried http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/tsocks but that seems to be only a wrapper for /usr/bin/tsocks, where do I get the actual package from? I only see packages for older versions of ubuntu when searching: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=tsocks&searchon=names
[12:07] <mclaren> gogeta: if it is, how would i know?
[12:07] <gogeta> mclaren, the pulse audio controle
[12:08] <mclaren> gogeta: pavu?
[12:08] <gogeta> mclaren, yea
[12:08] <mclaren> aight let me check gogeta
[12:08] <gogeta> mclaren, you can set defuts and even turn off sound cards
[12:09] <mclaren> ah there we go gogeta
[12:09] <mclaren> it shows that hdmi channel as the first one
[12:10] <gogeta> yea go to the last tab and set it to off
[12:10] <gogeta> should fix you
[12:11] <Syrio> ciao
[12:11] <Syrio> si
[12:11] <Syrio> Hi
[12:12] <mclaren> gogeta: in the Built-in audio, i see Analog stereo and Analog duplex
[12:12] <Syrio> <italian?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> card 0 is usually the defaultr,  hdmi isn't the default
[12:12] <gogeta> mclaren, you can try both for me just turning off hdmi eorks
[12:12] <gogeta> BluesKaj, on my box for some reasion pulse always whants hdmi
[12:13] <tomreyn> OnceMe: here's an example which should work for the first PPA listed on the 'apt-cache policy' output you posted earlier: sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity-team/staging
[12:13] <mclaren> gogeta: damnit, it still isnt working
[12:13] <tomreyn> !it | Syrio
[12:13] <BluesKaj> gogeta,  then your pulseaudio settings need changing
[12:13] <ilken> http://cocaine.abuser.eu
[12:13] <Syrio> grazie
[12:13] <gogeta> BluesKaj, i know i was thinking he had that issue guess not
[12:15] <mclaren> wait i got it working
[12:15] <BluesKaj> frankly I'm not a PA fan so I'll stop here
[12:15] <mclaren> had to plug it in line out
[12:15] <gogeta> mclaren, hahahahahha
[12:15] <mclaren> lol
[12:15] <BluesKaj> doh
[12:15] <gogeta> mclaren, thaat might help
[12:15] <mclaren> but i guess the thing is messed up
[12:15] <mclaren> it plays the front left sound in right
[12:15] <mclaren> and front right sound in left
[12:16] <gogeta> mclaren, then your speakers are wired backrouds
[12:16] <OnceMe> tomreyn: ?
[12:16] <mclaren> what
[12:16] <BluesKaj> what kind of audio setup , mclaren ?
[12:16] <mclaren> nothing, just headphones
[12:16] <gogeta> mclaren, i think you can swap that if softwhere
[12:17] <gogeta> in
[12:17] <BluesKaj> trun your headpgones around
[12:17] <gogeta> mclaren, or that
[12:17] <mclaren> oh lol
[12:17] <BluesKaj> turn
[12:17] <tomreyn> OnceMe: did you ask me a question?=
[12:17] <SimonNL> or just leave as is.
[12:17] <mclaren> man
[12:17] <OnceMe> yes
[12:17] <OnceMe> how do I find ppa name?
[12:17] <mclaren> im always obsessed with the complex stuff
[12:17] <OnceMe> where is in https://pastebin.com/KZHXBhx2 ppa name?
[12:17] <mclaren> i was wearing the headphones the other way around
[12:17] <OnceMe> or ppa name can be link to repo?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> !ppa | OnceMe
[12:18] <OnceMe> !ppa-purge
[12:18] <OnceMe> yeah but https://pastebin.com/nsHtLUJf
[12:18] <OnceMe> I have 3 repo links and no ppa name
[12:18] <OnceMe> or am I blind?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> OnceMe,  look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:18] <OnceMe> I wish to use ppa-purge
[12:19] <BluesKaj> !ppa-purge
[12:19] <tomreyn> OnceMe: As previously stated, you can check your configurations in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to determine which arguments to pass to the ppa-purge command.
[12:20] <SimonNL> doesn't ubuntu have sources program where repository's can be set to default ?
[12:20] <tomreyn> OnceMe: also see the example I provided, and then see just map the other PPA configurations to the same syntax.
[12:21] <OnceMe> grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[12:21] <tomreyn> SimonNL: no, it does.
[12:21] <OnceMe> I get fossfreedom-byzanz-trusty.list and fossfreedom-byzanz-trusty.save
[12:21] <OnceMe> which one it is?
[12:22] <SimonNL> tomreyn: bad idea using it? for OnceMe ?
[12:22] <mclaren> hi tomreyn, thanks for helping me that other day
[12:22] <tomreyn> OnceMe: In /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, only files which end in .list are interpreted by APT.
[12:23] <OnceMe> ok google-chrome.list contains deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[12:23] <OnceMe> whats ppa name of it?
[12:23] <tomreyn> SimonNL: for his use case, yes, that'd be a bad idea. pp-purge does a lot more than just removing the APT repository reference.
[12:23] <OnceMe> ppa-purge ppa:google-chrome ?
[12:24] <SimonNL> Ah okay thanks
[12:24] <tomreyn> OnceMe: experiment, read man pages, you'll find out. i'm afraid i have to leave it there for now, bbl.
[12:24] <tomreyn> (maybe someone else can help)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> OnceMe,  no need to ppa purge, just remove the ppa from the  /etc/apt/sources.list.d filr with root permissions
[12:25] <OnceMe> and then apt-get update?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> file ratrher
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:25] <OnceMe> ppa will be removed right?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:25] <OnceMe> ok both .list and .save I guess
[12:29] <OnceMe> BluesKaj: I've removed google chrome ppa and did apt-get update however chrome remains still installed
[12:29] <ksk> OnceMe: removing a repo does not remove all the packages you installed via that repo
[12:29] <ksk> you would need to "apt-get remove $package" to archieve that.
[12:29] <OnceMe> hmm, so for ubuntu 14.04 to ubuntu 16.04 upgrade I would need to remove package as well
[12:30] <OnceMe> or not needed?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> the you have to remove it with , dpkg  -r nameofpackage
[12:31] <hateball> that's the whole point of ppa-purge, it removes the packages as well as the repo
[12:31] <BluesKaj> OnceMe,  packages installed from deb  installers usually need dpkg -r to uninstall
[12:31] <OnceMe> ok
[12:31] <OnceMe> is it necessery to remove package though?
[12:31] <OnceMe> I just want to disable ppa repos and upgrade ubuntu to 16.04
[12:32] <OnceMe> I guess new ubuntu 16.04 wont have package installed if it doesnt exist
[12:32] <BluesKaj> ppa purge regresses
[12:32] <OnceMe> ppa purge regress?
[12:56] <akik> any ideas why a ubuntu desktop would lose ethernet connectivity sporadically? basically this bug report describes the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/1586528
[12:56] <akik> the desktop machine is running for extensive periods of time
[12:57] <akik> looked into journalctl -xe, kern.log but saw nothing obvious
[13:06] <DWSR> Hey everyone, I'm trying to move files between two directories in an SMB mount as root, but I'm getting permission denied. I can write files to and from the mount as root no problem
[13:15] <acresearch> hello people, i have a general question, what is the difference between ubuntu and debian? other than the desktop environment and the default programs?
[13:15] <ikonia> acresearch: ubuntu is basically a snapshot of debian that is then forked off and maintained by the ubuntu team at a basic level
[13:15] <OnceMe> is ubuntu 17.04 stable enough?
[13:15] <ikonia> it's a production release
[13:15] <OnceMe> can I upgrade from 14.04 straight to 17.04, or better to 16.04 first?
[13:16] <ikonia> I believe you have to go via 16.04 and maybe even 16.10 - it's documented in the upgrade docs
[13:16] <mikeymop> ^^
[13:17] <OnceMe> even 16.10
[13:17] <OnceMe> isnt 16.10 newer than 16.04/
[13:17] <ikonia> yes
[13:17] <hateball> OnceMe: 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04
[13:18] <OnceMe> ok Ill go with 16.04 first
[13:18] <OnceMe> I've pruned all my ppas
[13:18] <hateball> OnceMe: most likely it's set to only check for LTS releases, so you'll need to change that as well, to go to 16.10
[13:18] <hateball> and onwards
[13:18] <dlrvis> hi
[13:19] <acresearch> ikonia: so it is basically the same under the hood?
[13:19] <OnceMe> ok, but is it 17.04 stable?
[13:19] <OnceMe> its not LTS but only stable right?
[13:19] <ikonia> acresearch: it's built from debian
[13:20] <dlrvis> hello
[13:20] <acresearch> so other than the desktop environment and default programs why would people use debian or ubunutu or mint etc...?
[13:21] <tarzeau> acresearch: personal preference?
[13:21] <tarzeau> acresearch: for debian vs ubuntu. later versions of software packaged in stable/lts release?
[13:21] <vas_tappendage> personal choice. based on nerdism
[13:21] <tarzeau> communication to packagers, bug reporting system
[13:22] <tarzeau> we had switche to ubuntu for our 100 workstatoins from debian some years ago, nvidia binary drivers, cuda, newer software, laptop users used to unity
[13:22] <acresearch> vas_tappendage haha
[13:22] <tarzeau> bow now that nvidia is irrelevant, nouveau works as well (except for cuda). and unity is dead... we might use debian again
[13:23] <OnceMe> how to disable ppas
[13:23] <OnceMe> to uncheck Unsupported updates (backports for trusty)?
[13:23] <tarzeau> OnceMe: edit /etc/apt/sources.list (or .d)
[13:23] <OnceMe> before upgrade to 16.04 right?
[13:23] <acresearch> tarzeau: vas_tappendage well what about using ubuntu with gnome? unity uses a lot of ram, is this advisable? what does the community thinks?
[13:23] <OnceMe> tarzeau: yap I already pruned all ppas I had
[13:23] <OnceMe> even google chrome stable ppa :D
[13:23] <Sparrow__> Done we have a ppa-purge
[13:23] <tarzeau> acresearch: i don't like gnome.
[13:23] <Sparrow__> dont
[13:23] <OnceMe> dont what?
[13:24] <vas_tappendage> if your a real nerd you use debian, if your a newb. you use ubuntu, thats what the real linux wankers like to think.
[13:24] <hateball> !ot
[13:24] <tarzeau> and if you're too lazy to learn linux, you go with reactos?
[13:24] <tarzeau> acresearch: unity doesn't use a lot of ram...
[13:24] <acresearch> vas_tappendage: haha well i am using debian at the moment
[13:25] <tarzeau> acresearch: but it has a few nasty bugs, the one when you minimize the last open window making it freeze (since 5 years)
[13:25] <Sparrow__> https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/ppa-purge
[13:25] <acresearch> tarzeau: it maxes out mine i have 4GB ram, htop shows it maxed out after a fresh install
[13:25] <acresearch> tarzeau: yes true
[13:25] <tarzeau> and it's ugly, unless you hack it to  look nice (example: https://people.phys.ethz.ch/~myczko/ubuntu1404.png )
[13:25] <SimonNL> Sparrow__: nice find.
[13:25] <vas_tappendage> I use ubuntu with gnome. it works flawlessly.
[13:25] <tarzeau> acresearch: and it's really unity not another process?
[13:25] <Sparrow__> tx
[13:26] <tarzeau> with gnome you mean gnome 3.x, and not mate 2 (forked from gnome)?
[13:26] <tarzeau> and you do have 3d hw accelerated xorg drivers?
[13:26] <acresearch> tarzeau: well i don't know how to read htop well, but fresh install of ubuntu i have maxed out ram, and debian 1/3 used ram
[13:27] <acresearch> vas_tappendage: gnome ubuntu works good?
[13:27] <tarzeau> acresearch: open htop/top, press "m" key, it should sort processes by memory usage,
[13:27] <OnceMe> after removing packages which were installed from ppa, I removed ppas from sources.list.d/
[13:28] <OnceMe> and did apt-get update, howevber after reboot ppa repos are back in sources.list.d/
[13:28] <OnceMe> how is this possible and why and how do I fix it?
[13:28] <OnceMe> 14.04 ubuntu
[13:28] <tarzeau> OnceMe: are you using software-center?
[13:28] <acresearch> tarzeau: oh ok
[13:28] <OnceMe> tarzeau: yes
[13:28] <OnceMe> however when i ls sources.list.d/ repos are in there
[13:28] <vas_tappendage> acresearch: yes it works great.
[13:28] <tarzeau> indeed gnome/kde/firefox are memory monsters
[13:28] <OnceMe> to remove ppa repos I used sudo rm blabla.list
[13:29] <tarzeau> acresearch: i just avoid these sort of software, i'm an amiwm, or windowmaker/gnustep user
[13:29] <Sparrow__> OnceMe, Did you bother with the link I posted
[13:29] <acresearch> vas_tappendage: how can i get ubuntu with gnome ?
[13:29] <OnceMe> Sparrow__: what link?
[13:29] <Sparrow__> https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/ppa-purge
[13:29] <tarzeau> my g4 laptop (32 bit powerpc) runs windowmaker+gnustep, super fast (15 years old laptop), 1 gb memory
[13:29] <mati_> Hi can anyone​ tell me how to install Nvidia drivers (Intel/Nvidia) on latest Ubuntu 17.04 with kernel 4.10.20
[13:29] <OnceMe> I used ppa purge
[13:29] <tarzeau> mati_: any reason, you don't want to try/use nouveau drivers?
[13:29] <OnceMe> in fact ppa purge didnt commented out repos in sources.list.d/ and in fact they were intact
[13:29] <Sparrow__> ok
[13:29] <OnceMe> repos were not deleted, but packages were
[13:30] <OnceMe> so I had to manually prune repos.list
[13:30] <OnceMe> should I try to remove ppas from software center?
[13:30] <Sparrow__> Something is odd here
[13:30] <acresearch> tarzeau: interesting,,, i should learn your method, because i have a 2011 macboook pro and it is slow (well mac is like a snail on it - ubuntu a bit faster - debian very fast)
[13:30] <tarzeau> acresearch: if it's 32 bit powerpc, debian doesn't support it anymore
[13:31] <tarzeau> i have 16.04 on it, and wanted to upgrade to 17.04, however it's not supporting powerpc anymore
[13:31] <vas_tappendage> acresearch: on the main ubuntu d/load page. you can "get" the iso or u can "get" gnome desktop from apt-get or synaptic and install that way.
[13:31] <tarzeau> i'm only using it, for testing stuff (find bugs with big endian/little endian, and well gnustep)
[13:31] <acresearch> tarzeau: mine is intel 64
[13:31] <tarzeau> acresearch: nice! do you use yaboot or grub?
[13:31] <acresearch> vas_tappendage: thanks
[13:32] <mati_> tarzeau , I heard that on novau driverer is worse for games than official
[13:32] <acresearch> tarzeau: grub, by default i don't choose it
[13:32] <acresearch> tarzeau: never had a problem with it, so never read about it or any alternative
[13:32] <vas_tappendage> acresearch: glad to help, good luck.
[13:32] <tarzeau> mati_: the games i tried (brutalchess) did work just fine. but i don't know... you play many 3d games?
[13:32] <Sparrow__> !find lxde
[13:33] <tarzeau> acresearch: nice. one day i'll try it too (still have yaboot)
[13:33] <acresearch> tarzeau: you have a mac with power pc?
[13:33] <tarzeau> acresearch: yes, g4 macbook pro, from 2002
[13:33] <acresearch> tarzeau: wow, how is it handeling linux?
[13:33] <tarzeau> acresearch: just fine
[13:34] <mati_> Tarzeau i Play in cs:go and war thunder this is all my games
[13:34] <tarzeau> mati_: asides from what others say, try it? and if nouveau is too slow, you can still install the nvidia drivers?
[13:34] <acresearch> tarzeau: nice, that is one of the reasons i love linux, no corporation keeps upping the processing to force consumers to puracher new faster hardware
[13:35] <tarzeau> acresearch: well, but part of the linux distributions software: firefox, gnome, kde
[13:35] <tarzeau> acresearch: forget running any of it on a machine with 1 gb memory or even less
[13:36] <mati_> tarzeau I tried to install Nvidia 375.39 but when installation was done and i try to  reboot system was stuck, in log i didn't find anything
[13:36] <tarzeau> my webserver does fine with 128 or 256mb memroy: nginx
[13:36] <acresearch> tarzeau: hmmm, i hate kde so i have no problem not using it, what is a firefox alternative?
[13:36] <tarzeau> acresearch: links2 -g, or netsurf, or dillo :)
[13:36] <tarzeau> acresearch: but they're all without javascript, and the rendering sucks. but hey they're fast on 15 year old hardware
[13:36] <OnceMe> ok removed ppas from list.d/
[13:36] <OnceMe> had to use software center from some reason, but all good now
[13:37] <acresearch> tarzeau: haha ok
[13:37] <OnceMe> how do I forbid adding ppa in ubuntu?
[13:37] <acresearch> tarzeau: regarding unity, it seems gnome uses less ram than unity, when i read in some webpages. true? different view points? hardware specific?
[13:38] <tarzeau> acresearch: i have no idea. i haven't used gnome 3, since ever it exists
[13:39] <tarzeau> most of our users use mate or unity
[13:39] <acresearch> tarzeau: my personal expreince is gnome is lighter and faster than unity, i like a light desktop environment, but not stripped from much functionality, which is why i don't use xfce
[13:39] <tarzeau> acresearch: so you'll avoid ubuntu 18.04 or have it with a non-standard DE?
[13:40] <acresearch> tarzeau: i don't know, what is special about 18.04?
[13:41] <tarzeau> acresearch: default is gnome 3, and there's no more unity
[13:41] <acresearch> wow
[13:41] <acresearch> really?
[13:41] <acresearch> why/
[13:41] <acresearch> ?
[13:41] <tarzeau> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/
[13:41] <Sparrow__> OnceMe, most of us avoid putting them in there in the first place,  YOU put them in there, the OS does not add them on its own
[13:41] <tarzeau> acresearch: because shuttleworth said so
[13:41] <Sparrow__> The Death of UNITY brought me back here
[13:41] <OnceMe> Sparrow__: is that unsupported updates (trusty backports)
[13:41] <acresearch> Sparrow__: haha
[13:41] <OnceMe> should I uncheck thet?
[13:42] <Sparrow__> OnceMe, yes
[13:42] <acresearch> tarzeau: was it riddled with bugs it is logical to go back to a trust worthy DE, or the community hated unity so much they decided to stop it?
[13:43] <Sparrow__> Do any of you remember this place before MArk forced Unity down our throats and killed this channel
[13:43] <tarzeau> acresearch: people actually liked unity (at least the people where i work)
[13:43] <tarzeau> acresearch: but the decision, or gnome it self (de icaza) was wrong from ground up, it should never have existes
[13:43] <Sparrow__> Just watch ubuntu GROW now that Unity is gone
[13:43] <tarzeau> if the manpower spent in gnome, would've been spent in gnustep, it would be on par with macOS today
[13:44] <tarzeau> Sparrow__: no way it can grow with gnome...
[13:44] <Kolus> I've got some odd behavior with Ubuntu 17.04 and a video capture of the experience.  I'm not too sure where to report it too and what to report exactly.
[13:44] <acresearch> tarzeau: i don't mind unity, i just mind the bugs, and its heaviness (slow), but from style i think it was ok, but gnome it cool also
[13:44] <tarzeau> acresearch: gnome is heavy too!
[13:45] <tarzeau> and buggy. debian stops making live cds of gnome/kde, since they got too big for a standard CD
[13:45] <tarzeau> now tell me this software is not bloat
[13:45] <acresearch> tarzeau: i read that as well, but not in my computer, maybe because i am using debian? maybe debian it what is light?
[13:45] <tarzeau> acresearch: yes it's certainly lighter than a standard ubuntu install
[13:45] <acresearch> tarzeau: oh
[13:45] <Sparrow__> !ot
[13:46] <Sparrow__> Please take the discussions opinions to chat, thanks
[13:46] <Sparrow__> Kolus, Please describe
[13:48] <sdlkfjldskjf> hiya, i'm trying to make a bootable windows usb for an ubuntu machine. i managed to get winusb to put windows 8 on a usb, but now i get to an installation screen when booting from it. noobie question, but will it screw with the ubuntu machine if i continue down the installation?
[13:48] <Kolus> When using some streaming with Firefox, I'm getting a slight "buzz" sound coming from the system (read: speakers) and a small bit of pixelation along a narrow line across the top border of the window.  Occasionally, on my HDMI output, I'll also get large blocks of colored bits until I move the screen, then it may refresh back to normal or the bits will reappear
[13:48] <InventorTechie> Can someone remind me which is the name of a GUI tool for being able to delete / manage UEFI instances ?
[13:49] <Sparrow__> Kolus, Have you tried chrome or chromium?
[13:49] <Kolus> no
[13:50] <Sparrow__> sdlkfjldskjf, Quite probably
[13:51] <sdlkfjldskjf> Sparrow__: damn, thought so. would it mess with the bootloader or the data on the local drive on the machine?
[13:51] <Sparrow__> It could go sideways anywhere..
[13:52] <Kolus> Sparrow_:  keep in mind that the two types of pixelation are quite different and with different applications
[13:52] <zzarr> is it possible to boot Ubuntu on a x86 device u-boot
[13:52] <Sparrow__> sdlkfjldskjf, I gave up dual win/linux boot and bought a KVM switch and use a second box
[13:53] <sdlkfjldskjf> Sparrow__: sadly don't have that budget. thanks for the help though!
[13:54] <Kolus> I didn't think windows had a loadable OS from a USB.
[13:54] <Sparrow__> sdlkfjldskjf, Dont be afraid to craigslist or dumpster dive, lots of used hardware out there getting dumped because it wont handle the new MS windows
[13:54] <dannyLopez> Hi.
[13:56] <Sparrow__> Kolus, He probably used USB Image Witer and a Windows CD
[13:56]  * Kolus nods
[13:56] <Kolus> guys were talking about bloat earlier (OT I know) but Windows takes the cake on that one
[13:57] <Sparrow__> sdlkfjldskjf, did you install your own video drivers?
[13:58] <sdlkfjldskjf> Sparrow__: nah, i'm not that savvy. i'm just trying to get a program running that only exists on windows, so thought i could install it on a usb and run windows only from that. not sure if that makes sense...
[13:58] <Sparrow__> sdlkfjldskjf, wont work
[13:59] <hateball> sdlkfjldskjf: have you checked !appdb if it runs in wine
[14:00] <sdlkfjldskjf> Sparrow__: ah well :') hateball: i have, but it runs a bit too slowly unfortunately!
[14:00] <Kolus> what are you running if I may ask?
[14:01] <devendrabhat> smuxi
[14:09] <acresearch> tarzeau: the ubuntu gnome requirement are much less than the ubuntu unity requrement
[14:09] <acresearch> tarzeau: is this absolute or it changes with different hardware?
[14:10] <tarzeau> i'm not sure. just wait until ubuntu brings out 18.04 (maybe the requirements change)
[14:12] <acresearch> tarzeau: true
[14:13] <acresearch> i have another question what is the difference between (sudo apt-get upgrade) and (sudo apt full-upgrade)?
[14:18] <benjamincoding> hello
[14:20] <Sparrow__> benjamincoding, Welcome to Ubuntu, how may we help you today?
[14:20] <benjamincoding> I'm just looking around im sorry
[14:20] <Sparrow__> Dont be sorry, Welcome
[14:21] <benjamincoding> thanks
[14:21] <Sparrow__> If you have any questions, just ask
[14:21] <benjamincoding> If i wanted to dual boot ubuntu along side windows how hard would that be
[14:21] <Sparrow__> Feel free to lurk and read along
[14:22] <Sparrow__> Dual boot is easy, uefi a bit tricky but dual booting isnt too hard
[14:22] <benjamincoding> Is it straight forward
[14:22] <Sparrow__> Do you have free partitions or lots of drive space
[14:23] <Sparrow__> Is your windows system encrypted or special
[14:23] <Sparrow__> benjamincoding, Have you tried running a Live Version of Linux?
[14:36] <implite> !boot
[14:37] <implite> !dualboot | sparrow__
[14:46] <bitblit> are there any console "mind mapper" apps? like freemind
[14:54] <nabblet> hi, i am on trusty. When running "apt-get install libglib2.0-dev" I get the error " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschema.dtd', which is also in package libglib-2.0-0 1:2.38.2-r0" ... but running "dpkg -L libglib2.0-0 | grep gschema" returns nothing, so ther should be no conflict. Any ideas how to proceed?
[14:58] <tomreyn> nabblet: you could remove any unsupported packages and apt sources, then try again.
[14:59] <tomreyn> a package libglib-2.0-0 with version 1:2.38.2-r0 does not exist in ubuntu 14.04
[14:59] <belgianguy> uff, anyone here has a Ryzen CPU and a Gigabyte motherboard?
[15:00] <nabblet> tomreyn: hm, i just saw that the gschema.dtd file actually exists on my file system O.o how comes that dpkg claims that this file is NOT prot of libglib
[15:00] <belgianguy> I already found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1671360
[15:01] <compdoc> belgianguy, is it crashing?
[15:01] <belgianguy> I've been using both kernels mentioned in the post (the 4.10 and 4.11 variants) which disable pinctrl-amd
[15:01] <belgianguy> compdoc, yes, and often
[15:01] <tomreyn> nabblet: maybe it is not one of the files this package tracks but it was created by postinstall scripts.. we could only speculate since this is not a supported package.
[15:01] <nabblet> tomreyn: you're right, this is a trusty ubuntu that seems to be tweaked to some extend for the embedded hardware it run's on. I have no idead what was tweaked to some extend. Would it be an option to diff both gschema.dtd files and if they are ident to force intsll?
[15:02] <belgianguy> I was wondering if there was something I could do, but I have little experience and don't have much kernel debugging skills
[15:02] <tomreyn> belgianguy: i assume you already did a bios upgrade and have amd-microcode installed?
[15:02] <nabblet> tomreyn: if that file was generated by a post-install script, how does apt-get know that it belongs to libglib while dpkg does not know
[15:03] <compdoc> belgianguy, I believe faugusztin has a ryzen too. He hangs out in ##hardware, and says you have to use a certain kernel.
[15:03] <compdoc> he seems offline right now
[15:03] <belgianguy> compdoc, yeah, I've talked to him in here even
[15:03] <compdoc> ah
[15:03] <belgianguy> I think that certain kernel is the 4.10-21 mentioned in the bug
[15:03] <tomreyn> nabblet: you're right, that didn't make sense.
[15:03] <belgianguy> but I'll ask him to make sure
[15:04] <joseCova> #laredoss
[15:04] <compdoc> belgianguy, then its possible you have another problem. how old is the PSU? have you run memtest86+  ?
[15:04] <belgianguy> it's all new (2 weeks since unpacking)
[15:04] <belgianguy> I haven't run memtest86+ yet
[15:04] <compdoc> Id love to have a ryzen to run ubuntu server and qemu-kvm
[15:05] <cpaelzer> I'd love to have a new CPU at all :-)
[15:06] <compdoc> belgianguy, ram often has one or two 'profiles' you can select in the bios, that sets the timinigs, etc.
[15:06] <corvo> join #ESP32
[15:07] <belgianguy> ugh
[15:07] <belgianguy> it crashed on me again
[15:07] <compdoc> belgianguy, ram often has one or two 'profiles' you can select in the bios, that sets the timinigs, etc.
 belgianguy: i assume you already did a bios upgrade and have amd-microcode installed?
[15:08] <tomreyn> it made a very relevant difference for me (i'm using 1800X on an asrock taichi and they release bios upgrades once a week at this time)
[15:12] <solicito> can ubuntu be installed and run from a usb flash drive?
[15:12] <Guest74774> yes
[15:13] <nabblet> tomreyn: "dpkg -L libglib2.0-0" shows that it owns /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas... but no files within that directory.
[15:13] <solicito> thanks Guest74774
[15:14] <solicito> Guest74774: can one also install and update the system from within it?
[15:14] <solicito> download, keep files in the flash drive like a regular hard drive?
[15:14] <belgianguy> tomreyn, I've updated my BIOS to F3, and the RAM profile is the default one, it wouldn't POST when set on its actual speed
[15:15] <Guest74774> yep. ubuntu on a flash drive is basically like a real installation. you can install software, update it and also store files o it
[15:15] <Guest74774> *on
[15:15] <belgianguy> tomreyn, I have an 1800X as well
[15:15] <solicito> Guest74774: thanks
[15:15] <tomreyn> nabblet: i see. i still think you should remove + purge unsupported packages if you are trying to make future installations of (supported) ubuntu packages work flawless.
[15:17] <tomreyn> belgianguy: what you just said suggests a hardware / hardware configuration issue, maybe ask in  ##hardware then (and consult your mainboard manual, e.g. for things such as how to correctly place DIMMS on the banks - which is easy to get wrong)
[15:17] <solicito> Guest74774: is there a good tutorial on how to install it on a usb drive or is it the same procedure as installing it on a regular HD?
[15:18] <Guest74774> use this https://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[15:18] <faugusztin> belgianguy: for me, Ryzen works only with Kernel 4.11
[15:18] <Guest74774> it will download and install ubuntu on the usb drive automatically
[15:18] <faugusztin> belgianguy; but i have asus
[15:18] <solicito> Guest74774: thanks again
[15:18] <Guest74774> np
[15:19] <belgianguy> hi faugusztin, I'm now using Feng's 4.10-21 custom kernel and it seems a little more stable than the 4.11 variant
[15:19] <belgianguy> but that might also just be my imagination/luck
[15:19] <tomreyn> solicito: same procedure (also i don't think the www.linuxliveusb.com approach is supported here)
[15:19] <belgianguy> as the 4.11 allowed me to boot, but a lot of things crash
[15:19] <nabblet> tomreyn: I just noticed that there are 2 packages installed: libglib2.0-0 and libglib-2.0-0 (note the dash in front of '2' in the second package). Ok, this is clearly to be blamed on the unspported package/repo. Thank you very much for helping me non the less!
[15:20] <solicito> tomreyn: thanks
[15:20] <belgianguy> would it make sense to look at the crash logs to get some sort of hint what's causing it?
[15:21] <tomreyn> nabblet: which is why i said there is no libglib-2.0-0 in ubuntu ;)
[15:22] <nabblet> tomreyn: Oh, i thought that you referred to the minor version since you mentioned it specifically
[15:24] <tomreyn> solicito: you may want to ensure that the 'noatime' file system option is used for any ext* file systems (during or post installation)
[15:25] <tomreyn> nabblet: i admit i did not express this in an obvious way.
[15:25] <OnceMe> sudo rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found", "/home/onceme/Videos/*", "/home/.ecryptfs/*"} / /media/stefan/data/backup
[15:26] <nabblet> tomreyn: now that I ran dpkg with the correct package name (the one WITH dash) it shows up :)
[15:26] <OnceMe> home/.ecryptfs/onceme/.Private... is rsynced
[15:26] <OnceMe> why, when I excluded the whole path
[15:26] <solicito> thanks tomreyn
[15:28] <mbeierl> Hello folks.  Trying to run a java applet in Ubuntu 16.10 (yakkety).  Nothing I've tried seems to allow me to verify java version here anymore: https://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp  Any hints?
[15:28] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:28] <sim642> OnceMe, maybe you meant /home/onceme/.ecryptfs/*
[15:29] <tomreyn> mbeierl: you probably want to state which web browser you are referring to / testing with.
[15:30] <mbeierl> tomreyn: sorry, firefox.  Didn't know java would work under Chrome
[15:30] <OnceMe> sim642: yeah that too
[15:31] <sim642> OnceMe, that too?
[15:31] <OnceMe> yeah /home/.encryptfs/* and that
[15:31] <sim642> Do you actually have an user named .encryptfs
[15:31] <nabblet> tomreyn: "apt-cache showpkg libglib-2.0-0" shows reversedependencies that make me hesitant to kick libglib-2.0-0 off the system :S What I really would like to do is to diff both gschema.dtd files and (assuming that they are ident) force the install, accepting a conflict. It's an ugly thing to do, but is it possible?
[15:32] <jushur> OnceMe: you have a typo, and maybe use ~/.ecryptfs/*
[15:32] <tomreyn> mbeierl: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/force-enable-firefox-52-npapi-support
[15:32] <jushur> or maybe ecrypt works like that, hm dont use it my self so.
[15:33] <sim642> OnceMe, I think you're missing your username subdirectory in the exclude for .encryptfs
[15:33] <OnceMe> hmm somehow home/.ecryptfs/stefan/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWYM
[15:33] <OnceMe> is still rsycning
[15:33] <OnceMe> this is full command:
[15:33] <OnceMe> sudo rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found", "/home/stefan/Videos/*", "/home/.ecryptfs/*", "/home/stefan/.ecryptfs/*"} / /media/stefan/StefanData/ubuntu14.04-pc/
[15:33] <jushur> OnceMe: ehck if its a file or link?
[15:33] <tomreyn> nabblet: you can extract debian packages (somefile.deb) using dpkg -x, then compare the files using diff -v
[15:34] <jushur> check*
[15:34] <OnceMe> drwxrwxr-x  3 root    root     4096 авг 19  2016 .ecryptfs
[15:34] <OnceMe> dir
[15:34] <OnceMe> on path /home/
[15:34] <OnceMe> and on /home/stefan/.encryptfs is .ecryptfs -> /home/.ecryptfs/stefan/.ecryptfs
[15:36] <ubuntu> vcxw
[15:36] <ubuntu> fds
[15:37] <jushur> OnceMe: so you need to block /home/.ecryptfs/stefan/.ecryptfs also
[15:37] <OnceMe> jushur: isnt that blocked
[15:37] <OnceMe> wen I excluded "/home/.ecryptfs/*"
[15:37] <jushur> OnceMe: filesystem virtual handling messing with you here i belive. like its a third entity in it self.
[15:38] <OnceMe> so how ot back it up?
[15:38] <sim642> OnceMe, You might have to exclude it without the /* at the end
[15:39] <OnceMe> so only /home/.ecryptfs ?
[15:39] <sim642> Yeah
[15:40] <tomreyn> OnceMe: rsync(1) (of Ubuntu 16.04's rsync 3.1.1-3ubuntu1), "FILTER RULES" states: "Note also that the --filter, --include, and --exclude options take one rule/pattern each. To add multiple ones, you can repeat the options on the command-line, use the merge-file syntax of the --filter option, or the --include-from/--exclude-from options."
[15:40] <OnceMe> still home/.ecryptfs/stefan/.Private/
[15:40] <OnceMe> is rsycned
[15:41] <nabblet> tomreyn: i also had to run "apt-get install -d .." to download the package. The extracting and diffing, as you recommneded, shows no difference :)
[15:42] <nabblet> s/The/Then
[15:42] <OnceMe> tomreyn: what is wrong in my command then?
[15:43] <tomreyn> OnceMe: the "--exclude={ something_here, something_else_here }" syntax in general
[15:43] <nacc> tomreyn: that's bash expansion
[15:44] <tomreyn> nacc: yes, but what does it expand to? not something rsync will understand the way OnceMe means it
[15:44] <nacc> tomreyn: yes it will
[15:44] <OnceMe> tomreyn: I have that pattern
[15:44] <OnceMe> sudo rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found", "/home/stefan/Videos/*", "/home/.ecryptfs/*", "/home/stefan/.ecryptfs/*"} / /media/stefan/StefanData/ubuntu14.04-pc/
[15:44] <nacc> tomreyn: try `echo foo{a,b}`
[15:45] <jushur> OnceMe: the spaces in there after, is ment to be?
[15:45] <nacc> tomreyn: it keeps the prefix and appends each element of the list as a suffix
[15:45] <nacc> tomreyn: so OnceMe's format produces 11 --exclude options
[15:46] <tomreyn> nacc: you're right, sorry.
[15:46] <tomreyn> OnceMe: sorry, ignore what i said.
[15:47] <OnceMe> jushur: thanks!
[15:47] <OnceMe> spaces issue lol
[15:47] <OnceMe> I thought rsync was smarter, but stupid space caused the issue
[15:47] <OnceMe> yeah no prob tomreyn
[15:47] <OnceMe> I'm just backing up my files, since upgrading to 16.04
[15:47] <technocf> Hey everyone.
[15:48] <OnceMe> any eta when will 17.04 be LTS?
[15:48] <OnceMe> or 16.10?
[15:48] <nabblet> OnceMe: if you are trying to do backups via rsync have a look at dirvish. They use rsync, use simple text config files and do a lot of bash-scripting for you (e.g. expiring old updates!)
[15:48] <jushur> OnceMe: so common error actually. consistency in coding is important :)
[15:48] <tomreyn> OnceMe: neither 16.10 or 17.04 will ever be LTS. the next LTS will be 18.04, the latest is 16.04.
[15:49] <tomreyn> !lts
[15:49] <mikeymop> !flavors
[15:49] <technocf> I heard a rumor that an upcoming version of Ubuntu is going to drop Unity and switch to Gnome?
[15:49] <nacc> technocf: not a rumor, fact, 18.04
[15:50] <tgm4883> technocf: that's true, not a support question though
[15:50] <OnceMe> so when is 18.04 dropping?
[15:50] <technocf> nacc: Not too far away that.
[15:50] <cfhowlett> OnceMe,  in 2018, april
[15:50] <nacc> OnceMe: it's in the name.
[15:50] <nacc> OnceMe: as all ubuntu releases have been
[15:50] <nacc> technocf: nope, is there a support question
[15:50] <nacc> ?
[15:51] <technocf> I didn't know that asking a question about an upcoming release was not a support question.
[15:51] <nacc> technocf: support questions are for bugs/issues with your ubuntu, broadly
[15:51] <nacc> technocf: a non-existent release can't fit into that
[15:51] <mikeymop> technocf: it's not a rumor
[15:52] <nacc> technocf: also there is a #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 and 18.04 isn't even open yet.
[15:52] <tgm4883> mikeymop: a little late to the party
[15:52] <technocf> nacc: Well, I apologise.  When I joined this channel I didn't read the motd right away, I thought this was a general room.
[15:53] <accodato> hi everybody
[15:54] <atz> hello
[15:54]  * mikeymop waves
[15:55] <atz> anyone alive?
[15:55] <jushur> !ask atz
[15:55] <atz> i am new here
[15:56] <cfhowlett> atz, channel topic is ubuntu support.  ask your question
[15:56] <tgm4883> atz: do you have a support question?
[15:56] <atz> yes
[15:56] <atz> what type of chat room is this?
[15:57] <ducasse> you were just told
[15:57] <atz> to learn linux or to talk with people?
[15:57] <cfhowlett> atz, ubuntu support.
[15:58] <atz> so , i maynot talk with prople for entertainment?
[15:58] <cfhowlett> atz, no.
[15:58] <ducasse> !chat
[15:58] <atz> ohhhh
[15:58] <atz> wat if i abuse here?
[15:58]  * tgm4883 slaps forehead
[15:58] <atz> !chat
[15:58] <nacc> atz: that is itself offtopic and you should know better
[15:59] <atz> i am bored in house
[15:59] <nacc> atz: if you don't, you'll eventually get kicked/banned, like any other channel
[15:59] <tgm4883> atz: then go to the offtopic channel
[15:59] <nacc> atz: we don't care, please read the ubottu faq you just requested
[15:59] <atz> ok i will try
[15:59] <cfhowlett> atz, it's very simple. read the rules. behave or be gone.
[15:59] <atz> ok
[15:59] <billydaz> Hi
[15:59] <atz> ok kick me once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[16:00] <atz> i will see, how this room works
[16:00] <billydaz> each tim I try to change a passwd using root
[16:00] <atz> or ban me once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:00] <ducasse> !password | billydaz
[16:00] <tgm4883> what a tool
[16:00] <billydaz> I get the error passwd: Permission denied
[16:00] <billydaz> passwd: password unchanged
[16:01] <nacc> billydaz: please use a pastebin and show what command you ran and the full output
[16:01] <nacc> !pastebin | billydaz
[16:01] <atze> ok u banned
[16:02] <atze> ok bann me once again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mods
[16:02] <nacc> atze: stop it.
[16:02] <atze> why?
[16:02] <chu> atze: Please don't.
[16:02] <cfhowlett> !ops | atze ban requested
[16:02] <atze> lol
[16:02] <nacc> atze: because it's annoying and you are ignoring the channel rules
[16:02] <atze> its intresting
[16:02] <tgm4883> geez, is there no school today?
[16:03] <billydaz> nacc: ubottu: I get this error trying to pastebinit @bar(input):button2
[16:03] <nacc> billydaz: strange
[16:03] <billydaz> "You are trying to send an empty document, exiting
[16:03] <jushur> billydaz: did you upgrade login and passwd packages just?
[16:03] <cfhowlett> billydaz, inxi -f | pastebinit
[16:04] <nacc> billydaz: ah it's possible since it's waiting for input or something, you might need to c&p the output
[16:04] <atz123> lol
[16:04] <atz123> kick mods
[16:04] <cfhowlett> chu, ban his ip please please
[16:05] <cfhowlett> there it is.  thanks!
[16:06] <billydaz> but inxi is not showing me the passwd change process
[16:06] <nacc> billydaz: inxi will show us the version of ubuntu
[16:07] <cfhowlett> billydaz, inxi -f will return a url.  paste the url here
[16:07] <billydaz> nacc:
[16:08] <chris10> hi, I am having a permissions issue with my printer.
[16:08] <billydaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24537498/
[16:09] <cfhowlett> billydaz, inxi -F      please
[16:09] <nicomachus> chris10: what's the permissions issue?
[16:09] <atzeeeeee> are u guys using mirc?
[16:09] <atzeeeeee> lol
[16:09] <atzeeeeee> lol
[16:09] <billydaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24537606/
[16:09] <atzeeeeee> mods, u need to wake up again to ban
[16:10] <cfhowlett> billydaz, great!  now:  sudo apt update | pastebinit
[16:10] <chris10> nicomachus: well,  I can see the printer on my machine (16.04), but it looks but it tells me that one of the driver files has insufficient permissions.
[16:10] <SuperLag> If you don't have the option to disable Nvidia adapter in BIOS, is there a way to disable nouveau, to force Ubuntu to use the Intel driver?
[16:11] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> ok
[16:11] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> i understand now
[16:11] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> can u guys help me in UML?
[16:11] <nicomachus> chris10: ok. how did you install the drivers?
[16:11] <nacc> atzeeeeeeeeeeeee: no, you have lost any chance of getting help here
[16:11] <nacc> atzeeeeeeeeeeeee: also, UML is not ubuntu
[16:11] <chris10> nichomachus: manually.
[16:11] <SuperLag> nacc: don't feed the troll
[16:12] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> ok with UML i can create C-Programms
[16:12] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> its ubuntu anyway
[16:12] <nacc> SuperLag: agreed :/
[16:12] <cfhowlett> right click on the troll nick and add to /ignore
[16:12] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> Superlag lol
[16:12] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> now it sounds like normal chatrooms:)
[16:12] <nacc> DJones: care to ban again?
[16:12] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> lol
[16:12] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: how do you right-click in irssi? </troll> ;)
[16:13] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> chat should be actually like this
[16:13] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> always busy
[16:13] <billydaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24537612/
[16:13] <billydaz> cfhowlett:
[16:13] <nacc> SuperLag: /ignore :)
[16:13] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: <hat tip> How goes it, minus the menaces?
[16:13] <cfhowlett> SuperLag, ah, different. I believe ignore trollnick is the command but check your man
[16:13] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: I know, I know. Don't mind me. If I'm using irssi, I'd better know how that works. ;)
[16:14] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> ok. anyone knows about UML using Visual Paradigma????
[16:14] <cfhowlett> billydaz, ok, do your password change command with | pastebinit
[16:14] <nacc> SuperLag: :)
[16:14] <atzeeeeeeeeeeeee> nacc, where u from ?
[16:15] <nacc> DJones: thank you
[16:16] <nabblet> Where can I get more information about apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" please?
[16:16] <chris10> nicomachus: any ideas?
[16:17] <okay> wb jonny
[16:18] <nabblet> Specifically I want to know if I can have a preview of all files to be overwritten. So far I know of one file but I am not sure if there are more.
[16:18] <atzeman> poor mods lol
[16:18] <cfhowlett> nabblet, apt install -s packagename will sandbox simulate the operation
[16:18] <atzeeeman> m cool now
[16:19] <jvelasquez> Any ideas on how to configure grub to do a tiny little thing that I want,  instead of some automated crap?     I want to load a single menuentry from a msdos table,  single ext2 bootable root partition with UUID BLEHH01010....   I have written the menuetry, I put it in a fresh chroot installation into /boot/grub/grub.cfg and I `grub-install /dev/usb`,   and yet grub installs something totally different, based on auto
[16:19] <jvelasquez> detected crap from my partitions.
[16:19] <akik> jvelasquez: there's a custom entry for custom entries :)
[16:20] <jvelasquez> I tried that.
[16:20] <ducasse> nabblet: try 'apt download packagename' to get the particular deb you need to install with force-overwrite, then install it with 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite ...'
[16:20] <akik> jvelasquez: /etc/grub.d/40_custom. i think it's the os prober which does the automatic scanning
[16:20] <Elliot_> heloo
[16:20] <jvelasquez> but it doesn't get respected. so I,  chmod -R 000 /etc/grub.d,  and put custom into /boot/grub/grub.cfg instead.
[16:20] <Elliot_> hello
[16:21] <PlasmaStar> I don't think that worked DJones
[16:21] <nacc> nabblet: what's your situation? 3rd party package conflicts with ubuntu package?
[16:21] <nabblet> ducasse: yep, that's what I am about to do. But I first want to know what files will be overwritten :)
[16:22] <akik> jvelasquez: 30_os-prober This script uses os-prober to search for Linux and other operating systems and places the results in the GRUB 2 menu.
[16:23] <jvelasquez> but I chmod 000 30*
[16:23] <jvelasquez> must I rm it ?
[16:23] <jvelasquez> ok.  rm -rf I will
[16:23] <akik> The user can insert an entry into /etc/default/grub which disables this script (see Configuring GRUB 2). Removing the executable bit from the file will also prevent it from searching for other operating systems.
[16:23] <billydaz> cfhowlett: you there?
[16:23] <cfhowlett> yes, billydaz
[16:24] <akik> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup#Configuring_GRUB_2
[16:24] <cfhowlett> looking for a simulation option for dpkg, billydaz
[16:24] <jvelasquez> akik,  grub-install --verbose, says,  grub-install: info: Looking for /sys/firmware/efi ...  ..Found.    But I don't want EFI!!
[16:24] <chris10> Anyone know any thing about installing a printer?
[16:24] <billydaz> my issue is passwd
[16:24] <nacc> jvelasquez: are you on a EFI system?
[16:24] <akik> jvelasquez: i guess you're booted with uefi then?
[16:24] <nacc> jvelasquez: grub uses the running the system to determine if EFI is needed or not
[16:24] <ducasse> nacc: use --dry-run, and it will tell you :)
[16:25] <fl0k1> hey o/ how can i install arduino 1.8.2 on Ubuntu?
[16:25] <jvelasquez> nacc,  yes.  But my chroot has no efi, and my /dev/usb has no EFI, and I installed only package grub-pc in the chroot.
[16:25] <nacc> ducasse: for nabblet ?
[16:25] <ducasse> nacc: sorry :)
[16:25] <nacc> ducasse: np :) similar nicks!
[16:25] <ducasse> nabblet: use --dry-run, and it will tell you :)
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> !latest | fl0k1
[16:26] <nacc> fl0k1: not available even in debian
[16:26] <nacc> fl0k1: so not in ubuntu yet
[16:26] <jvelasquez> nacc,  so a PC installation is not possible when booted from an EFI installation?   that's so dumb.
[16:26] <nacc> fl0k1: i guess build it yourself, if you want, or search the PPAs
[16:26] <nacc> jvelasquez: presumably you have bindmounted /sys in your chroot?
[16:26] <nacc> jvelasquez: in which case, you're leaking host data into the chroot, and nothing dumb about grub using that data
[16:27] <nacc> jvelasquez: specifying the target allows you to skip the detection, iirc
[16:27] <jvelasquez> nacc,  no.  but I did bind /dev,  the other two I did,   mount -o sysfs sys sys, and mount proc proc proc;
[16:27] <fl0k1> @nacc thank you, the version in the ppa of ubuntu are 2-4.1 ...
[16:28] <nacc> jvelasquez: yes, so not a bindmount, but you're using your host kernel
[16:28] <nacc> jvelasquez: host kernel's /sys
[16:28] <hroi_> hi
[16:28] <nacc> jvelasquez: so grub is doing exactly what you told it to do :)
[16:28] <jvelasquez> ok.  target you say?
[16:28] <nacc> fl0k1: you'd need to contact the PPA owner if you want them to get a new version
[16:28] <nacc> jvelasquez: per `man grub-install` seems like it
[16:28] <hroi_> I'm trying to configure two network interfaces so that they both work fine with incoming ssh through each of their gateways
[16:29] <fl0k1> @nacc sure, but i think i will become the same answer that you sad. :p stability...
[16:29] <ducasse> jvelasquez: for grub you might also want to refer to the info pages
[16:30] <nacc> ducasse: good point
[16:30] <nacc> fl0k1: yep
[16:30] <jvelasquez> ducasse,  i never did try info in my life.
[16:30] <jvelasquez> till now.
[16:31] <jvelasquez> ducasse, what's your address?  I'll send you a fruit basket.
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:31] <jvelasquez> wow. info page is so much better!
[16:34] <ducasse> jvelasquez: :)
[16:34] <ducasse> jvelasquez: if you don't like the default reader, try 'pinfo'
[16:37] <solidfox> when installing ubuntu it asks if I want to enable hard drive encryption. Does this feature work for SSD?
[16:38] <jvelasquez> yes
[16:38] <jvelasquez> but I have no idea what it's config is.  there's 100 ways to set up encryption.
[16:38] <jvelasquez> and the details do matter.
[16:38] <jvelasquez> but they probably did it right.
[16:39] <solidfox> guess I will just trust them
[16:39] <Furai> Hey, how does do-release-upgrade handle custom apt/ppa repositories?
[16:39] <nacc> Furai: it disables the
[16:39] <nacc> *them
[16:40] <ita> hi, what does GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="persistent" mean in /etc/default/grub?
[16:40] <Furai> nacc, so just comments everything extraneous in sources.list and renames files in lists folder?
[16:40] <Furai> comments out*
[16:40] <nacc> Furai: iirc, something like that
[16:41] <nabblet> nacc: yes. Sadly I am depending on that 3rd party packages. I found out that one of the conflicting files is ident in both packages. My mission is now to find out A) if there are more conflicting packages  B) if those conflicting packages differ
[16:41] <Furai> Hmm, ok, sounds good to me. Maybe I'll upgrade my machines to 17.04 now.
[16:41] <nacc> Furai: what are you running now?
[16:41] <dopie> hey guys
[16:42] <dopie> how can I have it where I don't have to type in sudo service nginx restart
[16:42] <Furai> 16.04, so I'll have to go through the process twice.
[16:42] <dopie> where I don't need to enter my password?
[16:42] <nacc> Furai: right, and you're moving from LTS to non-LTS
[16:42] <nacc> Furai: just to be sure you're aware
[16:42] <dopie> what do i put in my sudoers file?
[16:42] <Furai> nacc, yup, aware oft that
[16:42] <nacc> Furai: ok
[16:42] <Furai> Anyway, it's desktop machines and one server which I uses for fun.
[16:42] <Furai> use*
[16:42] <chris10> Anyone know how to fix 'cuyps insecure filter" error?
[16:43] <Furai> dopie, sudoers is well documented.
[16:43] <nacc> Furai: sure, just checking
[16:43] <Furai> nacc, I mostly care about the desktops which I use daily.
[16:43] <t0by> Um, help, I've just installed 17.04 but when I try to connect Evolution to my Gmail I can't progress after entering the password.
[16:43] <t0by> I.e. white pace.
[16:43] <Furai> Thanks for concern, though.
[16:43] <t0by> *page
[16:43] <CrazySane> !sudo > dopie
[16:44] <t0by> Same for gnome accounts.
[16:44] <nacc> dopie: why would you want that? if your account was ever compromised, then anyone could restart nginx as your user?
[16:44] <dopie> nacho I have deploys I have to do a bunch of times
[16:44] <dopie> and I'm not worried about that
[16:45] <CrazySane> dopie: are you trying to automate commands across multiple machines?
[16:45] <dopie> multiple deploys
[16:45] <dopie> rofl
[16:45] <dopie> I'm using mina to deploy my apps
[16:45] <dopie> and i just have to restart server all the time
[16:46] <CrazySane> dopie: So you want to allow a user to use the reboot command NOPASSWD?
[16:46] <dopie> correct
[16:46] <dopie> I found it :P
[16:47] <CrazySane> dopie: Something like  matthew ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/bin
[16:48] <CrazySane> dopie: ok.
[16:48] <dopie> yeah
[16:48] <dopie> CrazySane,  thank you very much
[16:48] <dopie> :)
[16:48] <t0by> Oh, apparently I have this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/+bug/1687019?comments=all
[16:48] <t0by> So... how do I fix it?
[16:48] <CrazySane> I guess that would be matthew ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot
[16:49] <t0by> It says "there is a fix already", but...
[16:49] <Sparrow__> t0by, tELL US THE BUG, DONT MAKE EVERYONE GO LOOK UP YOUR LINK
[16:49] <Sparrow__> Sorry caps
[16:49] <nacc> t0by: reading
[16:49] <t0by> Sparrow__: I mentioned the problem a few lines above
[16:49] <nacc> t0by: what version are you on?
	Um, help, I've just installed 17.04 but when I try to connect Evolution to my Gmail I can't progress after entering the password.
[16:49] <nacc> t0by: it's not yet been fixed
[16:50] <CrazySane> It's still marked Triaged.
[16:50] <nacc> t0by: you'll need to wait a week or so
[16:50] <t0by> "Looks like this has been fixed in webkitgtk"
[16:50] <t0by> nacc: but... I can't live a week without an email client :|
[16:51] <nacc> t0by: well ... you're using gmail? use a browser for a week?
[16:51] <Ridley5> hi
[16:51] <nacc> t0by: google apparently made some change
[16:52] <t0by> nacc: that is not acceptable, especially since I'm offline (with customers) for prolonged periods of time
[16:52] <Sparrow__> Geary works on my gmail
[16:52] <nacc> t0by: well, complain to google
[16:52] <dopie> hmmm now how do i restart it so it takes effect?
[16:52] <nacc> t0by: it affected arch too it seems
[16:52] <t0by> nacc: instead of complaining I was hoping to get help with a workaround :)
[16:52] <nacc> dopie: restart what?
[16:52] <nacc> t0by: well, if there is a workaround, it'd be in the bug
[16:52] <Komputerfreak> email will only give you many spam messages
[16:52] <t0by> I'm screwed, zip, gone?
[16:52] <dopie> the sudoers file
[16:52] <nacc> t0by: until the updates roll through, it seems so
[16:52] <dopie> i created
[16:52] <nacc> dopie: you don't restart it
[16:53] <CrazySane> dopie: no need.
[16:53] <dopie> hmmm
[16:53] <dopie> ok
[16:53] <dopie> Cmnd_Alias NGINX_RESTART = /usr/sbin/service nginx restart
[16:53] <t0by> nacc: do I have *any* way of installing it manually in a sane way?
[16:53] <dopie> deployer ALL=NOPASSWD: NGINX_RESTART, NGINX_RELOAD
[16:53] <CrazySane> dopie: it just *works* when you attempt a sudo command
[16:53] <Sparrow__> !enter
[16:53] <t0by> Fuck you very much, Google.
[16:53] <nacc> !ohmy | t0by
[16:53] <CrazySane> dopie: give the full path, and break it into two lines.
[16:54] <dopie> CrazySane,  not understanding sorry
[16:54] <Komputerfreak> if you don't like google, maybe you should not use their services
[16:54] <dopie> break what into two lines?
[16:54] <t0by> Komputerfreak: I like Google. I don't like my email client being broken :|
[16:54] <CrazySane> dopie: easier to troubleshoot two lines. so eliminate the comma and make two lines that are identical except one is NGINX_RESTART and the other is NGINX_RELOAD
[16:55] <nacc> t0by: fwiw, it appears it wouldn't have mattered where you installed
[16:55] <nacc> *what
[16:55] <nabblet> ducasse: nacc cfhowlett running apt-get with -s (or --dry-run, they are the same) will not find any conflicts. I think i'll create an image of that embedded device and then go all in :)
[16:55] <CrazySane> dopie: Also, give the full path to the command you're executing.
[16:55] <cfhowlett> nabblet, sounds like a plan!
[16:56] <Komputerfreak> shouldn't dpkg --verify use something better than md5 nowadays?
[16:56] <Sparrow__> Thunderbird still works with gmail right.?
[16:56] <cfhowlett> Sparrow__, yes
[16:56] <Sparrow__> cool
[16:56] <t0by> Oh, does it?
[16:57] <t0by> Problem solved
[16:57] <Sparrow__> so does geary
[16:57] <t0by> Geary is not working for me.
[16:57] <nacc> so does mutt
[16:57] <t0by> Sparrow__: I *think* you'd have to configure an account *now* to see the problem
[16:57] <t0by> Why desktop where I'd configured the email last year is still going fine.
[16:57] <Komputerfreak> what is the problem?
[16:57] <Sparrow__> Ah, so my existing is on the old dydtem
[16:58] <Sparrow__> Hopefully thin\derbird will work out as your backup client
[16:58] <t0by> Komputerfreak: read above, new Google interface absolutely refuses to let you log in with Gnome or Evolution.
[16:58] <t0by> I'm trying
[16:58] <t0by> Oh lord, there goes calendar as well
[16:59] <Komputerfreak> cannot think of some email stuff you cannot do with the web interface
[17:00] <nacc> Komputerfreak: they already said they want offline mode
[17:00] <Sparrow__> tbird may bring up browser and take you to gmail your questioning
[17:00] <Sparrow__> when you set up new acct
[17:00] <CrazySane> I was a big proponent of the email client for a long time - but they just can't keep up anymore. Webclient or die these days imo.
[17:00] <nacc> CrazySane: that's nice, but offtopic :)
[17:00] <t0by> Komputerfreak: 1. working offline 2. working in the background 3. any actual work, for that matter.
[17:01] <Komputerfreak> well, ok then, i get that
[17:01] <nacc> t0by: there is also offlineimap that lets you use any client agnostic of the service
[17:01] <CrazySane> nacc: sorry.
[17:01] <t0by> nacc: believe it or not, offlineimap is also broken for me.
[17:01] <nacc> t0by: lots of options, but as to the bug itself, it will get fixed when it gets fixed
[17:01] <t0by> I think Google has done something... nasty.
[17:01] <nacc> t0by: then you're not using an 'application' password for your mail client
[17:02] <t0by> I'm sorry?
[17:02] <nacc> t0by: the easiest way to use offlineimap for gmail is to generate an application password
[17:02] <t0by> Oh, I just put my IMAP account details as usual
[17:02] <t0by> in .offlineimap
[17:02] <nacc> t0by: it's a one-off password specific to a given application that doesn't use your login credentials directly, but is give this bypass
[17:02] <nacc> t0by: right, not what i'm describing at all
[17:03] <nacc> t0by: and will be broken for the same reason (presumably 2fa related)
[17:03] <Dirkos> irq 22, io mem 0xd3489200
[17:03] <Dirkos> What are the next steps?
[17:04] <nacc> !details | Dirkos
[17:04] <nacc> Dirkos: or maybe wrong channel? you didn't even state a problem.
[17:04] <Dirkos> ah sorry nacc
[17:04] <Dirkos> system wont boot, not even in recovery mode
[17:04] <Dirkos> while starting from recovery mode it gets stuck with earlier stated error
[17:04] <nacc> Dirkos: has it ever?
[17:05] <nacc> Dirkos: the above is not an error (at least not in Linux)
[17:05] <Dirkos> nacc: yeah worked fine before but a few days again after some updates i lost my wifi drivers and since that moment it is not working anymore
[17:05] <Dirkos> nacc: ok but what if it gets stuck on recovery mode itself?
[17:05] <nacc> Dirkos: what version of ubuntu?
[17:05] <Dirkos> 16.04
[17:05] <nacc> Dirkos: it doesn't get to the recovery shell?
[17:06] <nacc> Dirkos: i'd try to get a live usb oing
[17:06] <Dirkos> nope
[17:06] <Dirkos> well tried to do a complete reinstall but black screen on my usb though
[17:06] <nacc> Dirkos: wonder if you need nomodeset for the usb?
[17:06] <nacc> !modeset | Dirkos
[17:06] <nacc> !nomodeset | Dirkos
[17:06] <Dirkos> but let me reinstall usb first
[17:08] <Dirkos> thanks nacc will have a look at it
[17:08] <zerothis> I can no longer use the IR pointer function of my wiimote in yakkety. xwiiinput disables IR mouse. cwiid with uinput permissions doesn't work. What is the solution?
[17:09] <eriswans> Does xenial use cgroups v2 or v1? I'm trying to figure out why when something in a unit I've constrained with a small MemoryMax triggered the OOM killer (I think by hitting that max), it was something outside that unit that actually got killed.
[17:10] <nacc> eriswans: v2 is official in 4.5
[17:11] <nacc> eriswans: but i think you can mount it with -o __DEVEL__sane_behavior
[17:11] <nacc> eriswans: which is probably not used by default on 16.04 (as it would break everything)
[17:11] <nacc> eriswans: so v1 on 16.04 is my guess
[17:11] <t0by> Sparrow__: for what it's worth, Thunderbird exhibits the same problem for me.
[17:12] <eriswans> Ah, so I should use the deprecated v1-based unit options then I presume?
[17:12] <nacc> eriswans: i think so? you should be able to see it in the mount options on the 4.4 kernel, but if you switch to the 4.8 kernel, it might switch
[17:13] <nacc> eriswans: i'm not sure if the version is exposed, but maybe dmesg says?
[17:13] <nacc> eriswans: heh, if there are any mount options or you can remount cgroups, then it's v1 :)
[17:13] <nacc> eriswans: or if you see any 'tasks' files in cgroupfs
[17:14] <eriswans> ah, yes, okay it's definitely running v1
[17:14] <nacc> eriswans: are you on the hwe kernel?
[17:15] <eriswans> Linux --- 4.4.0-1013-aws #22-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 31 15:41:31 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:15] <nacc> eriswans: ah the aws kernel?
[17:15] <nacc> eriswans: so yeah, that's definitely v1, i'm not sure if v2 is on by default in the ubuntu kernel or not
[17:15] <nacc> eriswans: as it breaks backwards compatibility for things in 16.04, i assuem
[17:16] <nacc> eriswans: that's a better question for the kernel channel
[17:16] <eriswans> Sounds like using the older memory-limiting options in my units is probably the best option.
[17:16] <nacc> eriswans: yeah
[17:16] <eriswans> Thanks
[17:17] <nacc> eriswans: gl
[17:18] <mocxzwp> heloo
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> mocxzwp: welcome, how can we help you?
[17:24] <bradley_> hi, i recently updated my google account passcode and tried to change it in gnome accounts. it has my login name already but after i input the passcode it gets stuck on a white screen and nothing gets updated... what should i do?
[17:25] <bradley_> -- i just tried the old passcode and it didn't even take me to a "wrong info" screen... still just a blank screen
[17:27] <t0by> bradley_: I was told to "just use webmail until the fix is released".
[17:27] <t0by> I feel your pain.
[17:27] <bradley_> t0by: oh, i searched but didn't see any bugs -- but it is a known problem?
[17:28] <nacc> bradley_: yeah, i think t0by has the link
[17:31] <t0by> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/+bug/1687019?comments=all
[17:31] <bradley_> well, on the plus side i can stop trying and wait... thanks
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781990
[17:32] <nacc> t0by: fyi, you can just type LP: #1687019 and ubottu will figure it out :)
[17:33] <nacc> t0by: a little less to remember/c&p
[17:35] <zap0> the prices on ebay for  USB<->Serial  adaptors vary hugely... anyone recommend one they know works?
[17:36] <DarkPsydeLord> i got mine for like 3 bucks
[17:37] <A1Recon> Hi
[17:38] <zap0> one of these?    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-2-0-TO-SERIAL-RS232-DB9-9-PIN-ADAPTER-CABLE-PDA-cord-GPS-CONVERTER-ID-/262880779410
[17:38] <DarkPsydeLord> yes and it works
[17:38] <DarkPsydeLord> i have 3 actually
[17:38] <thundeer> bit off topic. when running multiple container behind haproxy, do i have to set a port number for http on the containers?
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[17:39] <nacc> thundeer: you might want to ask in #lxcontainers
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[17:39] <DarkPsydeLord> zap0, the one i use the most is the one i bought from steren
[17:39] <zap0> DarkPsydeLord   that one says it's based on  CH340 Chipset     is yours?
[17:40] <thundeer> nacc, thanks for the tip. I will try there then :)
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[17:40] <nacc> thundeer: np
[17:40] <pitastrudl> rip
[17:40] <A1Recon> Guys i was running Ubuntu 16.04. And suddenly it turned off. Abruptly. I thought it was a high temp shutdown but no. I am now looking at the grub terminal....
[17:40] <cobreadmonster> There really seems to be a problem here.
[17:40] <pitastrudl> indeed
[17:40] <pitastrudl> im out of coffee!!
[17:41] <DarkPsydeLord> ono!
[17:41] <zap0> A1Recon, HDD fardware fault?
[17:41] <wish_> Is there anyone here who can help me debug my headphone jack? After i updated some packages it no longer has any sound
[17:41] <DarkPsydeLord> coffeeless work is gruesome
[17:41] <frankspank> coffee is for closers only
[17:41] <zap0> DarkPsydeLord, i know not what 'steren' means
[17:41] <A1Recon> nope .. @zap0 when i typed exit .... it went into the Windows partition . so no
[17:42] <A1Recon> zap0
[17:42]  * genii makes sure pitastrudl and DarkPsydeLord get fresh mugs
[17:42] <pitastrudl> \o/
[17:43] <DarkPsydeLord> zap0, its a brand and an electronics store
[17:44] <zap0> ah, ok..  a modern Radioshack.
[17:45] <DarkPsydeLord> not a modern, a mexican radioshack which makes their items really cheap
[17:45] <DarkPsydeLord> some of them
[17:46] <zap0> cheap?    350.. US$, or MX$?   do MX even use $$.. http://www.steren.com.mx/tarjeta-programable-arduino-tipo-uno.html
[17:46] <nacc> DarkPsydeLord: zap0: perhaps a bit offtopic for this channel?
[17:46] <zap0> ok.
[17:46] <DarkPsydeLord> yes zap0
[17:47] <DarkPsydeLord> nacc, indeed i apologize
[17:47] <DarkPsydeLord> zap0, got mine from them and it really works
[17:48] <DarkPsydeLord> end of topic
[17:48] <belgianguy> faugusztin, what hardware channel was that you suggested earlier?
[17:50] <A1Recon> if anyone wants to help with my problem... i'll be here
[17:51] <bradley_> t0by: try this, it worked for me: https://myaccount.google.com/signino...ign-in/welcome
[17:53] <wish_> I am getting no sound out of the headphones but pavucontrol is showing it as playing music through the headset device. And if I talk I can see the microphone bar also reacting
[17:53] <wish_> I went into alsamixer to check the sources and nothing is muted
[17:56] <wish_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24538094/
[18:01] <t0by> bradley_: I get "the page you requested is invalid"
[18:02] <t0by> In fact I see shortening-like dots there.
[18:02] <belgianguy> urff, another hangup and random reboot in under 2 minutes
[18:02] <ledeni> wish_, did you check jack you using ?
[18:04] <bradley_> t0by: sorry -- try this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2359809
[18:04] <bradley_> the link is in the post by cartes2
[18:05] <t0by> bradley_: let's see
[18:05] <t0by> oh, you need a smartphone for that
[18:05] <t0by> I have a nokia brick, can't do.
[18:05] <Adnol> I  like memes
[18:05] <t0by> But thanks
[18:05] <wish_> ledeni: What do you mean?
[18:06] <wish_> The headphones work on another port
[18:06] <Adnol> Is this a meme channel
[18:06] <Adnol> with pepes
[18:06] <Adnol> rawr XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[18:06] <BluesKaj> wish_,  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel to load the driver, then check alsamixer and make sure automute on the far right is disabled, use the down arrow key to disable if needed, you might need to reboot
[18:06] <nacc> !ot | Adnol
[18:06] <Adnol> is that a yes
[18:06] <Adnol> or a no
[18:06] <nacc> Adnol: please don't do that. it's annoying and offtopic.
[18:06] <Adnol> do what
[18:06] <Adnol> your not an admin tho
[18:06] <t0by> I think you're having a stroke. Call 911.
[18:06] <nacc> Adnol: stupid long text to get attention
[18:06] <Adnol> ya but your not an admin
[18:06] <nacc> Adnol: no, this is not a meme channel
[18:06] <Adnol> the there
[18:07] <Adnol> are you sure?
[18:07] <nacc> Adnol: yes, please follow the channel rules
[18:07] <Adnol> :(
[18:08] <wish_> BluesKaj: Ok, gonna try and reboot now
[18:08] <Adnol> Can you at least help me reprogram my lepton alignment array?
[18:08] <ledeni> wish_,witch port working?
[18:08] <wish_> ledeni: the port on my monitor
[18:08] <t0by> Adnol: you're eventually gonna die and you'll regret wasting your time like this.
[18:08] <BluesKaj> wish also check you pulseaudio settings
[18:09] <Adnol> oh :(
[18:09] <nacc> t0by: let's just ignore the troll at this point
[18:09] <BluesKaj> your
[18:09] <belgianguy> on my old laptop radeon worked fine for the old card, but for the RX 480, should I switch to amdgpu-pro or stay on amdgpu?
[18:09] <wish_> BluesKaj: It says Headphones(Plugged in)
[18:09] <Adnol> I am not trolling i am mad
[18:09] <wish_> And the bar is jumping up and down
[18:09] <Adnol> bc you guys are using big words
[18:09] <Adnol> and idk what they mean
[18:09] <Adnol> so im doing that
[18:09] <Adnol> to
[18:09] <belgianguy> and it seems to occur often during playback of media (say youtube or any other stream)
[18:10] <wish_> BluesKaj: And it is set to Analog duplex
[18:10] <Adnol> you guys are triggering me
[18:10] <Adnol> coolio
[18:10] <wish_> Ok it works now
[18:11] <Adnol> wish_ memes
[18:11] <zerothis> never mind, wimote ir under cwiid mysteriously started working (no reboot, no modprobe, just started in the middle of testing wminput congifs )
[18:11] <Adnol> I wish for memes
[18:11] <BluesKaj> wish_,  i don't use pulseaudio myself , intel audio doesn't really need it unless you want stream several sound sources simultaneously
[18:11] <wish_> And it started working when I switched the microphone to standard microphone and back to headset microphone
[18:11] <nacc> Adnol: this is the ubuntu support channel. For the last time, stay ontopic or find a different channel
[18:11] <Adnol> alright jeez
[18:11] <Adnol> sorrry!
[18:12] <Adnol> its hard thogh because you are all confusing me
[18:12] <nacc> Adnol: it is not hard. Do you have an Ubuntu support issue?
[18:12] <pressure679> How can I change mysql's data dir to an external hdd?
[18:12] <Adnol> im just here to make friends
[18:12] <Adnol> wait are you a mod
[18:12] <nacc> Adnol: then go somewhere else
[18:12] <Adnol> ill be good i promise
[18:13] <wish_> thanks BluesKaj.
[18:13] <Adnol> nacc can you please tell me
[18:14] <nacc> Adnol: tel you what?
[18:14] <Adnol> are you a mod
[18:14] <Bashing-om> belgianguy: Per AMD : http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx you do want the amdgpu-PRO driver .
[18:14] <nacc> Adnol: that's not relevant
[18:14] <wish_> Hes name is Mr Torvald
[18:14] <Adnol> ye but i must know
[18:14] <Adnol> yee*
[18:14] <Adnol> its important to me
[18:14] <Adnol> bro
[18:15] <belgianguy> Bashing-om, is there a specific advantage to it?
[18:16] <Adnol> :(
[18:17] <Bashing-om> belgianguy: Sorry, can not advise in that respect as I do not run AMD graphics .
[18:17] <Adnol> bashing-om
[18:17] <Adnol> i got a question
[18:17] <Furai> Fingers crossed, upgrading my machine from 16.04 to 16.10 and then to 17.04. Yeah, I know it's non-LTS.
[18:18] <pressure679> I suspect apparmor is acting up (some privilege issue), maybe Fedora with selinux will make it easier for me.
[18:18] <Adnol> can somebody help me please?
[18:18] <Pici> Adnol: with?
[18:18] <Adnol> what is eveyrone talking about
[18:19] <jushur> just ban him now, dont feed the troll any more.
[18:19] <Pici> Adnol: Presumably helping other Ubuntu users with their issues.
[18:19] <Adnol> ivE SAID IM NOT TROLLING FUCKING 10 TIMES OK?
[18:19] <Adnol> STFU JUSHUR BITCH
[18:20] <Adnol> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[18:20] <Adnol> WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP CALLIMG ME A TROLL?
[18:21] <kunji> wish_: Have you tried rebooting yet, I sometimes have sound issue that I can't seem to fix other ways.
[18:21] <scottjl> thanks pici
[18:21] <kunji> *issues
[18:22] <tripelb> Arnold go to the web and please read the help page on unity (someone, the link)
[18:42] <elichai2> hey I have a problem with .bashrc so I'm trying to debug it with `bash -x 2> out` but out stays empty
[18:43] <geez[m]> tgm4883: I don't know I left school quite some time ago
[18:43] <elichai2> (although running bash -x prints lots of stuff )
[18:43] <CrazySane> elichai2: what are you trying to fix?
[18:43] <tgm4883> geez[m]: um, ok
[18:44] <elichai2> CrazySane: some kind of endless loop
[18:44] <geez[m]> tgm4883: @freenode_tgm4883:matrix.org 18:02
[18:44] <geez[m]> geez, is there no school today?
[18:44] <CrazySane> elichai2: can you describe the problem that you believe it causing / the root of this loop? When does it happen?
[18:44] <geez[m]> Sorry I couldn't resist ;)
[18:45] <tgm4883> geez[m]: ok then
[18:45] <elichai2> CrazySane: when i'm openning a terminal it's stuck until I do ctrl+c, and when I run bash -x I can see stuff running again and again
[18:45] <elichai2> so I want to debug what causes that
[18:45] <elichai2> bash -x  |& more also doesn't work
[18:45] <CrazySane> elichai2: can you do this:   cat .bashrc | pastebinit   and give us the link?
[18:46] <CrazySane> ah
[18:46] <CrazySane> nm
[18:47] <CrazySane> well, maybe - lemme look at that anyway.
[18:49] <elichai2> CrazySane: the problem is it's calling more files so it will be impossible for you to debug i, why the fuck I can't save the stderr to a file
[18:50] <CrazySane> Perhaps someone else can help you with stderr.
[18:50] <CrazySane> get that solved first.
[18:51] <elichai2> found the problem
[18:51] <elichai2> When I moved to KDE .profile file stopped running by itself so I added to bashrc to source .profile
[18:52] <elichai2> So it turns out that one file that .profile runed called .bashrc LOL
[18:52] <elichai2> *ran
[18:53] <elichai2> i'll sort my bash files out
[18:53] <elichai2> in which file I should change the PATH?
[18:53] <nacc> elichai2: what your language, please
[18:54] <elichai2> nacc: sorry, just frustrated
[18:54] <Oderus> hey. I have a file installed thats marked for autoremove, that i want to keep. how can i tell the system that it's a keeper?
[18:54] <nacc> elichai2: PATH is usually set in .bashrc
[18:54] <elichai2> not in .profile?
[18:54] <pressure679> I got to say 1 thing about Ubuntu, you get good at making mistakes when configuring the system, and better at reverting those mistakes.
[18:54] <nacc> elichai2: by defaut on ubuntu, .profile just sources .bashrc
[18:55] <nacc> elichai2: for bash
[18:55] <nacc> elichai2: and expands PATH to use $HOME/bin
[18:55] <elichai2> nacc: sinced I moved to KDE(Konsole) .profile isn't sourced automatically
[18:55] <nacc> elichai2: .profile is for login shells, .bashrc is for every bash session
[18:55] <nacc> elichai2: did you create a .bash_profile or .bash_login ?
[18:56] <nacc> Oderus: use `apt-mark` or specify to manual install it (`apt install <pkgname>`)
[18:56] <elichai2> I have a .bash_profile
[18:56] <elichai2> I didn't create it but I have
[18:56] <Oderus> nacc: thank you
[18:56] <nacc> elichai2: .bash_profile means that .profile isn't read
[18:57] <elichai2> damn it, something called linuxbrew created it
[18:57] <elichai2> i'm sorry
[18:57] <elichai2> i'll try to delete this file and rerun terminal
[18:57] <nacc> elichai2: yeah, unrelated to konsole i'm guessing
[18:58] <elichai2> changed it to .bash_profile_old but still it doesn't run .profile
[18:59] <compdoc> what about permissions and owner?
[18:59] <elichai2> I got these now: .bash_aliases  .bash_history  .bash_logout  .bash_profile_old  .bashrc  .bashrc.save
[18:59] <elichai2> compdoc: 644
[19:00] <reinstall> does 16.04 have clean reinstall feature, or do I need a cd or usb stick to reinstall it? I don't have access to the machine in question right now
[19:00] <rdanter> elichai2: it's been a while since I used KDE, but in general .profile is used when you log in and .bashrc is run every time you open a shell (including a konsole)
[19:01] <msklap> .
[19:01] <elichai2> ok, i'll log out, be back in a sec
[19:02] <Bashing-om> reinstall: A re-install takes an outside medium .
[19:02] <reinstall> ok, thanks
[19:03] <Bashing-om> !install | reinstall  pxe might work for ya ?
[19:04] <ioria> reinstall, alternative: download mini.iso and boot it from grub
[19:04] <t0by> gotta love mini.iso
[19:06] <elichai2> nacc: rdanter, it worked :)
[19:06] <elichai2> thank you
[19:06]  * elichai2 thanks nacc rdanter
[19:06] <nacc> elichai2: np
[19:06] <rdanter> cool :)
[19:07] <rdanter> you may be able to configure konsole to run as a login shell each time, but usually that is not necessary
[19:08] <bodhi> hi!
[19:08] <Komputerfreak> hi
[19:09] <Afdal> Hi, I'm having a problem that isn't exclusive to *ubuntu but seems to be a more general linux problem and I'm not sure where to get some help about it.  I recently got a new motherboard and the PCI wireless card I'm using which used to work fine now has system instability problems.  I keep getting freezes that only happen when the wi-fi service is on with the card connected.  I tested out an installation of Void Linux to see 
[19:11] <Afdal> By which I mean this old PCI wireless card worked fine on my old motherboard but is now giving me trouble with this new motherboard.
[19:11] <Afdal> I'm on Windows XP right now and haven't gotten any system freezes so it appears to be a linux issue
[19:12] <nabblet> ducasse: nacc tomreyn follow up on my issue with the conflicting 3rd party packages: After a lot of digging (bitlevel back is not as easy as I thought) I found in a login-walled wiki: Yeah, we broek apt-get, just force-install it. -.-
[19:12] <ioria> windows xp
[19:12] <nacc> nabblet: awesome
[19:13] <nacc> Afdal: is it possible it's just an old card not supported by modern OS?
[19:13] <maillly> hi
[19:13] <nacc> Afdal: isn't XP also dead?
[19:13] <nacc> Afdal: so not sure it's a valid test case
[19:13] <nabblet> nacc: well... not awesome but it is a solution :) Awesome would be a not-broken apt :)
[19:13] <Afdal> nope, it's working fine :)
[19:13] <maillly> What is the easiest and most elegant way to set a systemwide dns server to be used??
[19:13] <maillly> ideally without touching the rest of network settings (shudders in fear)
[19:14] <nacc> nabblet: awesome meant sarcastically, sorry
[19:14] <Afdal> No, it's not that nacc.  This old wireless card worked just fine on the current ubuntu and other linux distros when I was using my old motherboard just last month
[19:14] <nacc> Afdal: sounds like a hardware issue?
[19:14] <nacc> Afdal: anything in dmesg?
[19:15] <Afdal> Yeah but what?  I can't figure out how to deal with this.  What's dmesg?
[19:15] <Afdal> The only options related to networking I've seen in my BIOS are for UEFI support
[19:16] <nacc> !dmesg | Afdal
[19:16] <nabblet> nacc: my sarcastidector died sometime today afternoon X_x Thanks for your help previously though!
[19:16] <nacc> nabblet: np
[19:16] <Afdal> mm
[19:16] <wedgie> i'm trying to do a source build of a package per the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Recommended_alternative_to_pinning Doing this on 16.04 trying to build a package from 17.04 sources. But its failing. Any suggestions? output: https://gist.github.com/wedge-jarrad/a8dd713ba3f0be04192b1c466b921db2
[19:16] <Afdal> Well lemme hop back on ubuntu and try that out
[19:17] <Afshaal> dmesg
[19:17] <Afshaal> right
[19:17] <Komputerfreak> oh a sarcastidetector - a very useful device. *sarcastidetector explodes*
[19:17] <nacc> wedgie: you're trying to build the 17.04 openconnect on 16.04?
[19:17] <wedgie> nacc: correct
[19:18] <pavlos> Afdal: you could boot off a live usb and see if your wifi pci card is working ...
[19:18] <Afshaal> yeah what's interesting is
[19:18] <wedgie> the version in 16.04 doesn't work with recent pulse vpn releases, which became a problem for me as of this morning :)
[19:18] <Afshaal> I have never had any freezes off a liveusb
[19:18] <nacc> wedgie: you can't without backports
[19:18] <Afshaal> What could that mean?
[19:18] <Afshaal> Afdal here, btw
[19:18] <ioria> !info debhelper xenial
[19:18] <ONY> I was doing on frquent item mining
[19:19] <wedgie> so i need to install debhelper from backports first?
[19:19] <Afshaal> Okay, so what am I looking for in this dmesg output
[19:19] <Afshaal> that's a ton of stuff here
[19:22] <nacc> Afshaal: pastebin it
[19:22] <nacc> wedgie: i guess? i don't think this is really a support topic :)
[19:22] <ONY> I want to modify the code
[19:23] <Afshaal> kinda difficult to pastebin it
[19:23] <wedgie> nacc: where would this question be better asked?
[19:23] <Afshaal> I can't access internet without my wifi
[19:23] <Afshaal> and if I enable the wifi service it'll just freeze
[19:24] <wedgie> cause i'd really rather not update from 16.04 to 17.04 just for 1 package.
[19:25] <TikityTik> I'm using 16.04, why am I required to install nodejs-legacy to use the "node" command? I thought I only needed the nodejs package.
[19:28] <ONY> from pprint import pprint def FrequentElements( elements = [], transactions = [], minSup = 0.5, debug = False ):     """ This function get as input the list of the element to be tested, the list of transactions and the values of minimun support.         The function returns a dictionary that has as keys the frequent elements and values a list with the count and the support     """      frequencies = {};     allFrequencies = {};     labe
[19:29] <nacc> ONY: are you in the wrong channel?
[19:29] <nacc> ONY: this is ubuntu support, not python
[19:29] <nacc> TikityTik: because in debian/ubuntu it's /usr/bin/nodejs
[19:29] <nacc> TikityTik: read `apt show nodejs-legacy`
[19:29] <ONY> nacc how do i get python support
[19:30] <nacc> ONY: ask in a python channel?
[19:30] <__Yiota> #python
[19:30] <nacc> !alis | grep ONY
[19:30] <__Yiota> ONY join #python paste your code in bpaste.net paste link
[19:30] <nacc> wedgie: not sure, but i don't think you can trivially build that version without bumping your debhelper version
[19:30] <Afshaal> what's that handy terminal command to dump output straight to pastebin or something else again
[19:31] <ONY> thank you all
[19:31] <nacc> !pastebinit | Afshaal
[19:31] <EriC^^> Afshaal: command | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:31] <Afshaal> ah
[19:31] <Afshaal> thanks
[19:31] <nacc> Afshaal: or nc termbin.com 9999, what EriC^^ said :)
[19:31] <wedgie> nacc: yeah, seems like installing debhelper from backports fixed the build-dep step, but i'm still getting the same error message with sudo apt-get -b source -t zesty openconnect   I suspect i'm missing something basic
[19:31] <nacc> wedgie: uh, that one is exactly what it says
[19:31] <nacc> wedgie: you don't have any zesty sources on your machine
[19:31] <nacc> wedgie: you shouldnt build this on your machine, btw
[19:32] <nacc> wedgie: use a lxd or chroot or something
[19:32] <nacc> wedgie: no sense in mucking with your host, which will eventually break things probably :)
[19:32] <ioria> wedgie, do you have the zesty source entry in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[19:32] <Afshaal> Okay, here's my dmesg output: http://termbin.com/uiw1
[19:33] <nacc> Afshaal: well that says your wifi is working
[19:33] <wedgie> ioria: yes. Well, i added it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zesty.list   which i assume is equivilent
[19:33] <Afshaal> :(
[19:33] <Afshaal> it freezes even though it's working
[19:34] <Komputerfreak> which driver?
[19:34] <Afshaal> After much trial and error I managed to isolate the system freezing to wifi
[19:34] <ioria> wedgie, idk,  when i built xchat on zesti i needed to add the trusty source repo in sources.list ....
[19:34] <wedgie> nacc: i think that if i can't get the source package to buid i'll just pull upstream source and just build that manually
[19:35] <Afshaal> When my wireless card is plugged in and the wi-fi service is enabled it'll freeze after a while.  No freezes when it's disabled
[19:35] <maillly> hi
[19:35] <wedgie> ioria: this line, yes? deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty main universe restricted multiverse
[19:35] <wedgie> i guess i can move it into sources.list instead
[19:35] <nacc> wedgie: did you run `apt update` after that?
[19:35] <maillly> Where can I find the lmtp command/LMTP client? Is there an Ubuntu package for it? I found its man page, but not the package/comamnd in Ubuntu xenial yet...
[19:35] <ioria> wedgie,let's try
[19:35] <maillly> http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/lmtp8.html
[19:35] <wedgie> nacc: yes
[19:35] <wedgie> ioria: ok.
[19:36] <ioria> wedgie, run apt update after
[19:36] <ioria> wedgie, you know it's not recommended , right ?
[19:36] <wedgie> ioria: same result
[19:36] <nacc> wedgie: um, you have to have a deb line itself too
[19:36] <nacc> wedgie: i think
[19:37] <nacc> wedgie: did you reaad `man apt-get`?
[19:37] <ioria> wedgie,  apt-get source openconnect
[19:37] <wedgie> ioria: lol, heading in the help link litearlly labels it "recommended", though i see your point
[19:37] <nacc> wedgie: -t tells apt to have a runtime pin to a release, which means you need to have told it about the release
[19:38] <ioria> wedgie,  oh, right it takes the xenial one .... comment the xenial source
[19:39] <wedgie> ioria: i don't think i have any xenial source repos. the zesty one is the only deb-src I have
[19:39] <nacc> ioria: my undrestanding is wedgie wants to build the zesty version on xenial. I believe to use -t with apt, you have to have deb lines for the specified release. and to get the build-deps from zesty, you would use deb-src, but that is wrong in this case
[19:39] <nacc> wedgie: i don't think you want to use deb-src from zesty
[19:39] <nacc> wedgie: as that won't be installable on xenial
[19:39] <ioria> nacc, right
[19:39] <nacc> wedgie: oh you're just trying to get hte source package form zesty?
[19:39] <nacc> wedgie: i think there are better ways to do that :) `pull-lp-source openconnect zesty`
[19:41] <wedgie> nacc: the end goal is to get openconnect version 7.08 (or higher). In the least painful way possible :)
[19:42] <nacc> wedgie: not that i at all recommend it, but have you tried adding zesty and pinning just openconnect?
[19:42] <nacc> wedgie: knowing that you are unsupported here at that point (or with your source method)
[19:42] <nacc> wedgie: that method is recommended as an *alternative* to pinning, not recommended generally
[19:43] <wedgie> nacc: well, pinning is what i was looking at initially, but the instructions for pinning told me that it was a terrible idea and that building the source packages was better. So here I am
[19:43] <wedgie> i'm thinking just grabbing the source directly from openconnect and building it manually might be the path of least resistance at this point
[19:44] <ioria> wedgie,  i just added the zesty repo and i got source of openconnect Version 7.08-1 ....
[19:45] <wedgie> ioria: deb, in addition to deb-src?
[19:46] <ioria> wedgie,  no, just the source .... you need to build it ... (don't think it'll work ... )
[19:46] <nacc> wedgie: i stand by doing all this in a new environment
[19:46] <wedgie> hmm, ok
[19:46] <nacc> wedgie: regardless of which path you choose
[19:46] <wedgie> well, maybe today's the day for the upgrade to 17.04 afterall :P
[19:47] <wedgie> cause i can't vpn to do my actual work until i get this resolved
[19:47] <ioria> wedgie,  yep, a /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script error
[19:47] <wedgie> ok. well, thank you both for all of your suggestions and help. I really do appreciate it
[19:48] <ioria> wedgie,  i'am just wondering why you can't get the source ...
[19:49] <wedgie> ioria: not sure. Never tried anything like this before. I just followed the instructions from the link in my original question *shrug*
[19:52] <OnceMe> after upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04 vlc was missing (not upgraded). I have installed it and vlc works, however when I play videos, video is pixalated. I google a bit and this is a known 16.04 issue with nvidia driver, I have amd (I Believe) so is there any driver to install to fix this issue?
[19:53] <fou> clear
[19:53] <Afshaal> what kind of videos/codecs OnceMe?
[19:53] <ioria> wedgie,  ah, ok i'am not talking about the automatic build, just the source : apt-get source <package>
[19:53] <OnceMe> Afshaal: of video file?
[19:53] <OnceMe> file video is video/x-matroska
[19:55] <Afshaal> Go into VLC and do Tools -> Codec information
[19:55] <wedgie> ioria: oh. THAT does work.
[19:55] <Afshaal> Does this happen on all types of video files that you try to play or just .mkv?
[19:55] <OnceMe> Afshaal: all types
[19:55] <Afshaal> Does this happen on all the kinds of codecs used that you try to play?
[19:55] <OnceMe> I upgraded to 16.04 because I wanted to use lib254
[19:55] <Afshaal> mmhmm
[19:55] <ioria> wedgie,  enter the openconnect-7.08 folder, and try a ./configure
[19:56] <DocMAX> does anyone know the fastes way to stream games? (like nvidia gamesteam streaming). only buildin tools like x11vnc, xpra,... not steam for linux please
[19:56] <Afshaal> but does it happen when you try to play a VP8, H.264, DivX type video?
[19:56] <Afshaal> or only H.265?
[19:56] <wedgie> ioria: think i'm seeing the same vpnc-script error that you mentioned. I'll look into that. Thanks!
[19:56] <OnceMe> H.265 lib*
[19:56] <OnceMe> Afshaal: happens on every video
[19:56] <OnceMe> when I skip to the certain part of video, its just slow
[19:56] <Afshaal> Did you grab VLC from the xenial repository?
[19:56] <OnceMe> and I have video on ssd
[19:56] <ioria> wedgie,  good luck (what ever you do, don't run sudo make install) :þ
[19:57] <OnceMe> yap
[19:57] <Afshaal> hmm
[19:57] <wedgie> hah, ok
[19:57] <OnceMe> I purged the old one, removed .config/vlc/
[19:57] <OnceMe> and installed it again, no luck
[19:57] <Afshaal> not sure what your problem could be
[19:57] <OnceMe> I have amd
[19:57] <Afshaal> I have a problem with 16.04 video of my own but it's not the same
[19:57] <Afshaal> my issue is VLC and most other players I try to use give a garbled picture when I try to play back protected DVDs
[19:58] <Afshaal> but those aren't video files
[19:58] <Afshaal> Have you tried any other players?
[19:58] <Afshaal> to see if it's a systemic problem or just VLC
[19:59] <OnceMe> Afshaal: yeah
[19:59] <OnceMe> works fine in totem movie player
[19:59] <OnceMe> something lags for vlc
[19:59] <OnceMe> not sure what, if  I need some plugin
[19:59] <ducasse> Afshaal: because you need libdvdcss
[20:00] <OnceMe> what do I need?
[20:01] <Afshaal> nah it's not libdvdcss
[20:01] <Afshaal> I tried that
[20:01] <ducasse> OnceMe: no idea, i don't even know what your issue is.
[20:01] <Afshaal> it's not totally garbled, it's basically a checkboard pattern on the picture
[20:01] <Afshaal> but one media player works but I can't remember the name
[20:02] <Afshaal> You know there's a vlc IRC channel
[20:02] <Afshaal> you could try asking there
[20:02] <Afshaal>  #vlc
[20:02] <OnceMe> ok seems I fixed it
[20:03] <Afshaal> What was the fix?
[20:03] <Afshaal> congrats
[20:03] <OnceMe> video output should be X11 (XCB) instead of Automatic
[20:03] <Afshaal> :o
[20:03] <OnceMe> tools -> video -> choose correct option
[20:03] <OnceMe> weird but it works
[20:03] <OnceMe> https://askubuntu.com/a/819588
[20:10] <daniel__> nabend
[20:21] <capum321> hello
[20:22] <capum321> what is the flash most secure package now available? the canonical partner one?
[20:22] <maillly> capum321: Chrome Flash
[20:22] <maillly> chrome browser comes with its own patched flash - but google plans to phase it out, too
[20:22] <maillly> maybe convert to html5? there are some tools for this
[20:22] <maillly> when conversion worked well you can use it from thereon in browser
[20:23] <maillly> maybe even improve/fix it in contrast to a swf binary thingy
[20:23] <capum321> maillly: can't convert, it's is my college virtual study environment
[20:23] <capum321> maillly: so i have firefox, forgot to mention!
[20:23] <maillly> capum321: ah, corporate stuff XD
[20:23] <maillly> flash is phased out heavily now
[20:23] <maillly> maybe adobe flash player from their site?
[20:28] <capum321> do you want to make some rampage search with me?
[20:29] <capum321> i have this ones seen on apt-cache: adobe-flashplugin  flashplugin-installer  browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[20:31] <Connor> Running 14.04 with gnome-flashback.  Dual Head.  When I do Alt-Tab to switch to different windows.. the task-switcher will appear on the same monitor that had a window with focus.  In my 12.04 install.. It was always my primary monitor.  I like the primary monitor behavior better.  Any way to change this ?
[20:32] <Connor> In CCSM I've tried both Application Switcher and Static Application Switcher and they both do the same thing.
[20:44] <jaythelinuxguy> I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 17.04. I've been unable to start ntp via systemctl, I get ntp.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. I tried reinstalling ntp and purging its config, but this process cannot start. I seem to be the only one with this issue as Google searches turn up nothing. Ubuntu 16.04 on this same machine had no issue though
[20:50] <oynox> hello there! is it okay to throw a quick question in here?
[20:50] <wedgie> that's what we're here for :)
[20:51] <Bizzeh> technically, we are here because we are bored and cant think of anything else to do, and sometimes, if questions are asked, and we know the answer, and we can be bothered answering, we answer them
[20:51] <oynox> after lengthy thinking about which distro to use I came to the conclusion to stop thinking and just start with ubuntu since the support resources are so big
[20:52] <oynox> I would like to install ubuntu as dual boot next to my Windows 10 OS since I simply need it and do not want to make a complete switch yet
[20:52] <DarkPsydeLord> jaythelinuxguy, ntp daemon works?
[20:52] <oynox> but during the installation process, I do not get the option to "install ubuntu next to the existing OS"
[20:52] <jaythelinuxguy> DarkPsydeLord the daemon doesn't evne start
[20:52] <oynox> how it is shown in so many screenshots.
[20:53] <Bizzeh> oynox: is your windows drive bitlocker encrypted? or, any other whole disc encryption?
[20:53] <oynox> I don't have a clue how to check it. I freshly reinstalled Win 10 some days ago.
[20:53] <oynox> Secure boot is disabled
[20:54] <oynox> I actually do not understand the whole EFI topic and I am not sure if something around that is the reason for the problem
[20:54] <YankDownUnder> oynox, In MS Windows - one of the best "secrets" is to completely turn off hiberation + "fast boot" & "fast shutdown" => they're actually the same as "hibernation" but merely rebranded - but they cause issues with non-NTFS based systems...ergo, sometimes linux based OS's will have issues in trying to either identify or mount the NTFS partition.
[20:55] <Bizzeh> isnt hybernation just a huge swap-like file on the ntfs partition? how would it cause problems?
[20:56] <oynox> do you mean turn that off in the BIOS?
[20:58] <YankDownUnder> Bizzeh, It causes particular "partition flags" to be flipped - you can read through the information on the ntfs-3g pages...ANY "hibernation" causes the NTFS file system to appear "locked"...there are severe ways around it, and corruption "can and most likely will" happen...it's yet another means by which NTFS likes to be unfriendly...hmm...
[20:58] <ChaiTRex> Bizzeh: It's not safe to touch a hibernated system, since it might have been halfway through a write to a regular file.
[20:58] <YankDownUnder> oynox, If you read what I wrote, I stated IN WINDOWS.
[20:58] <Whiskey> How do i delete every folder in a root folder espect from a folder whit a name of my choise?
[20:58] <Whiskey> whit cronjob
[20:59] <Bizzeh> YankDownUnder: what is the issue with a readonly mount, given that all you are doing is checking for the existance of maybe \windows\system32 and  maybe a few other checks
[20:59] <oynox> oh alright, I will try that
[21:00] <YankDownUnder> Bizzeh, In some instances, "installers" will "freak out" - amongst other things...either which, if anything, research and you'll see what I mean.
[21:01] <Bizzeh> ahh ok
[21:01] <DarkPsydeLord> jaythelinuxguy, ntpd not giving an error or something
[21:01] <Bizzeh> also, while im asking stuff... what happened wubi?
[21:01] <Whiskey> no one?
[21:01] <DarkPsydeLord> jaythelinuxguy, can you check on the log?
[21:02] <YankDownUnder> "wubi" died of "lack of development"...that being said, other utilities can do the same and more...
[21:02] <ducasse> Bizzeh: it died because nobody loved it anymore.
[21:02] <DarkPsydeLord> jaythelinuxguy, i have it working with "systemctl stop ntpd &" on the first run
[21:02] <Bizzeh> ducasse: that sucks.. was the perfect tool for intruducing noobs
[21:04] <ducasse> Bizzeh: never used it, so i have no opinion. iirc it would have needed extensive development to work with uefi and/or windows 8 and later.
[21:04] <Bizzeh> ahh ok
[21:05] <tgm4883> It performed horribly, it was not a good tool
[21:05] <Bizzeh> just thought it was a good idea that you could install ubuntu like any other windows application, like people already know how to do... then reboot, and be able to choose to use ubuntu
[21:05] <ChaiTRex> It would be nice if they updated the minimal CD to work with UEFI systems.
[21:06] <YankDownUnder> "Wubi" - according to "seasoned users" - sucked dry bones...that being said, because it was "the bee's knees" for Windows folks, it gained a particular image...regardless of the reality of it's operation/usage...
[21:07] <Bizzeh> YankDownUnder: it was a zero knowledge entry barrier
[21:07] <Bizzeh> where as to install ubuntu now, you need to know how to install an OS
[21:07] <Bizzeh> which most of the population of the planet, cant/wont do
[21:08] <YankDownUnder> Bizzeh, That's not the fault of the overally linux community - you can thank Microsoft for consistently causing issues with OEM's and versions of UEFI and the NTFS file system...otherwise, the linux community hasn't changed...
[21:09] <Bizzeh> "the linux community hasn't changed", isnt that the problem with the linux community?
[21:09] <Bizzeh> an unwillingness to change?
[21:10] <tgm4883> Bizzeh: pushing forward an option that is bad (see performance issues) just because it's easy is a bad choice.
[21:10] <tgm4883> In any case, this is all offtopic and should be moved to #ubuntu-discuss
[21:11] <YankDownUnder> Bizzeh, Shift the paradigm the other way, mate. View it from the alternate angle. If you're "pro Microsoft", you see linux as the failure. Then there is an inherent subliminal contempt aimed at anything non-Microsoft...hmm...EITHER WHICH, back to normal operations.
[21:12] <Bizzeh> im pro microsoft, doesnt mean i am anti-linux or see linux as a failure
[21:13] <Bizzeh> and, being pro-linux should not be synonymous with anti-ms too, though you do see it being very polarising where it should not be
[21:14] <tgm4883> !ot
[21:16] <sansay> Hey has anyone installed nginx with pagespeed? im having issues and im not exactly sure whats wrong. The install script runs fine but nginx doesnt seem to be installed
[21:19] <DoYouKnow> hi. I have perhaps a dumb question, but I've never figured out how to do this before
[21:19] <DoYouKnow> how do I do something like VB Audio Cable does where you have an audio input device routed to an audio output on ubuntu with alsa/pulse?
[21:19] <DoYouKnow> without jack
[21:20] <DoYouKnow> which I can't figure out, and hate with a passion
[21:21] <DoYouKnow> I want a loopback, I think
[21:22] <DoYouKnow> basically one device on audio in that goes directly to a similarly named device on audio out
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> does JACK even work in the latest ubuntu?
[21:23] <DoYouKnow> last I tried it, it was broke
[21:26] <tony1> when I was using ubuntu 16.04LTS I was not having issues with my openvpn server and the push options from the server using network-manager. ever since upgrading to ubuntu 17.04 I have issues with network-manager not using the dns server of the tunnel. any workarounds? I can do it from the cmd line with openvpn-systemd-resolved and it will work with a few errors but I would rather use "NM" I am using ubuntu
[21:26] <ChaiTRex> DoYouKnow: Have you tried running pavucontrol and messing around with things?
[21:26] <tony1> 17.04 with gnome desktop
[21:27] <tony1> systemd-resolve seems is causing allot of issues?
[21:27] <ChaiTRex> DoYouKnow: It might not help with the loopback, but you might be able to enable the jack.
[21:30] <Afdal> okay I've tested a fairly good chunk of time now.  It seems my wifi does not cause system freezes during LiveUSB ubuntu.  It's only during an installed ubuntu session.
[21:30] <Afdal> What does that indicate?
[21:31] <faisal> Hello!
[21:32] <Whiskey> find /home/whiskey/.znc/users/IRCNetworks-User/networks/freenode/moddata/log ! -name '#channel' -type d -exec rm -rf {} + <- Why does that delete the folder #channel when i try to ignore it from getting deleted?
[21:34] <ChaiTRex> Whiskey: I don't know, but the man page says it might need protection from the shell: ! expr True if expr is false.  This character will also usually need protection from interpretation by the shell.
[21:35] <ppf> Whiskey: escape the bang: '!'
[21:36] <Whiskey> you mean \!
[21:37] <ppf> same difference
[21:37] <Whiskey> well it still deletes the folder
[21:37] <ppf> does it delete other folders as well?
[21:37] <jappish> hey guys, I'm trying to rescue some files from a macbook with the ubuntu live cd.. can't seem to mount the drive, keep getting "wrong fs type"
[21:37] <ChaiTRex> Whiskey: You can replace rm -rf with echo to see what gets canned.
[21:37] <jappish> followed this guide https://jclark.org/weblog/2005/05/24/ubuntumount/
[21:38] <Whiskey> well the log folder gets scanned
[21:38] <jappish> found the drive /dev/sda2
[21:38] <ChaiTRex> Whiskey: See if #channel is being deleted directly or indirectly for one thing.
[21:38] <ppf> Whiskey: also escape the braces: '{}'
[21:38] <ppf> for good measure
[21:38] <Whiskey> -> /home/whiskey/.znc/users/IRCNetworks-User/networks/freenode/moddata/log/ <- think thats the problem
[21:38] <Whiskey> as it will match every folder
[21:39] <Whiskey> oooo
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> jappish, LIve CD or Live USB? Just wondering...
[21:39] <Whiskey> find /home/whiskey/.znc/users/IRCNetworks-User/networks/freenode/moddata/log/* -type d ! -name '#channel' <- think that does it
[21:40] <schahermacher> why in my ubuntu add a vpn connection option is not available in network manager and how can i fix it?
[21:40] <jappish> YankDownUnder: Live USB 17
[21:42] <YankDownUnder> jappish, You should be able to "install" the "hfsplus" and "hfsprogs" - which will allow reading an HPFS volume easily...
[21:44] <math677> i pasted the contents of some html file to libreoffice and the syntax remained perfectly intact in it, but if i copy for example some sentence like "It was good.", it gets pasted elsewhere as "it was good"
[21:44] <math677> there seems to be direct formatting applied
[21:44] <math677> how can i copy the text with the direct formatting also, so that the capitals remain
[21:44] <jappish> YankDownUnder: yeah, I read about that, thing is, no ethernet adapter detected... just remembered I have a USB to ethernet adapter.. will give it a shot
[21:45] <tony1> schahermacher: you need to install the plugin from packages
[21:45] <YankDownUnder> jappish, If the LiveUSB was setup for "persistence" - you can use it on another machine and add/update software on the USB - which obviously can then be used on other machines...just to let ya know...
[21:48] <jappish> YankDownUnder: Ah! Thanks, didn't know that... how do I know if it was setup for persistence?
[21:49] <jappish> not sure what that means
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> jappish, Not sure how you built the USB in the first place, but there's several means by which to setup the LiveUSB to literally be a working/operational "system" - meaning that you can install/update/upgrade the software and OS on the USB as though it were a real system...which is great for doing forensics and recovery...amongst other things
[21:51] <math677> USB was built with pornography in mind, YankDownUnder
[21:51] <YankDownUnder> jappish, Something to read: https://askubuntu.com/questions/772744/how-to-make-a-live-usb-persistent
[21:51] <math677> just as google images was built as nerds needed to see jennifer lopez's hot racy versace dress
[21:53] <jappish> YankDownUnder: thanks, I made it using rufus default options
[21:53] <selsper_> what do you mnean by a persistant usb?
[21:54] <SchrodingersScat> selsper_: persistant usb normally means that there's space on the drive set for files and changes made while booted into the live environment.  So you could install packages, download things, etc.
[21:54] <SchrodingersScat> selsper_: and then it should reappear like that when rebooted
[21:54] <YankDownUnder> ...and create different users with home directories...yadda yadda yadda...
[21:54] <selsper_> ty
[21:55] <SchrodingersScat> very handy if you need to troubleshoot something where the OS got a bit wonky
[21:55] <selsper_> Yeah that would be a good thing if you fix computers then you could build a usb with a bootable troubleshooting stuff for hardware etc
[21:56] <YankDownUnder> Troubleshoot workstations, servers, networks, recover data - heaps to use it for...it's also quite nice to have a persistent USB when you're using other folks machines - so you're not mucking with THEIR machine - you're booting your own OS and everything lives happily on the USB...hmm...
[21:58] <selsper_> ty
[22:01] <tony1> you can also do a full install to a flashdrive. it will last long time.
[22:01] <TTN> so I'm trying to compile a kernel with AMD_PINCTRL disabled since my motherboard won't work with it enabled. I've got stuck on it compiling since it crashes with an error:https://pastebin.com/WcKXwNMG
[22:01] <jappish> YankDownUnder: actually, I just ran out of luck.. the mac is from a friends, friend and he spilled coffee on it.. opened it up just to see that the SSD is som 12+16 pin Apple proprietary connector... tried booting it a little while ago and was surprised it booted so I thought I'd hurry and backup everything (late here, couldn't call and ask for password)
[22:02] <jappish> not thought I'd try installing hfsplus and hfsprogs but it's not booting anymore :(
[22:03] <YankDownUnder> jappish, Can you pop out the battery?
[22:03] <jappish> now*
[22:03] <jappish> YankDownUnder: yeah, it's out
[22:03] <tony1> so no one has an answer for network-manager, systemd-resolved and openvpn?
[22:04] <YankDownUnder> jappish, Reset the PRAM - keep the battery out. If you unplug the Mac from power for about 30 seconds, leave the batter out - then power it back out - that should reset the SMC - if it boots, reset the PRAM...then try again...if you wish to reset the system password, well, there's a way to do that, too...hmm...
[22:06] <soulvortex> Hi iam new to unbuntu mate does anyone to how to fix firefox and chrome flickering while scrolling its really annoying me
[22:07] <jappish> YankDownUnder: I'll try that.. no need to reset password, I can just ask him for his password tomorrow
[22:10] <soulvortex> Hi iam new to unbuntu mate does anyone to how to fix firefox and chrome flickering while scrolling its really
[22:11] <imr> that's most likely with your drivers, soulvortex
[22:12] <dennymenny> system --> preferences --> look and feel --> MATE Tweaks --> window --> change window manager to GPU
[22:12] <soulvortex> imr how do i fix it than
[22:12] <imr> or try dennymenny's solution
[22:14] <soulvortex> i dont see gpu
[22:14] <DoYouKnow> ok ubuntu's I figured out how to do it
[22:14] <DoYouKnow> I wanted to play an audio stream in vlc and listen to it with spectrum lab in wine
[22:15] <DoYouKnow> I just started the stream, recorded from pulse in spectrum lab, and opened pavucontrol and enabled the monitor
[22:15] <dennymenny> try the marco gpu option
[22:16] <DoYouKnow> thanks
[22:17] <jappish> YankDownUnder: didn't work.. I'll try again tomorrow, need to get some sleep. Thanks for the help!
[22:17] <soulvortex> thank you that fix my problem imr
[22:20] <Basho> Hey guys i've a problem
[22:27] <hipitihop> I'm on 16.04 and since last week started having odd fs io slow downs i.e. nautilus crawls as it fills list of folders. Drive is an SSD. e2fsck -vf /dev/sda1 is fine. Have checked hdd smart info and run Spinrite on drive. All ok, suggestion ?
[22:28] <hipitihop> I tried to run e2fsck on /dev/sda5 which is swap on same drive, but this complains of bad magic number.
[22:30] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, You've checked to see what's running in the background?
[22:32] <hipitihop> YankDownUnder, sure, but it is a slow down related to file io, other operations seem to be fine i.e. it's not cpu
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, Just starting from the "top" and working downwards...eliminate all the bits in between to find the answer...
[22:33] <hipitihop> YankDownUnder, also whenever I reboot, it goes back to ubuntu splash panel with progress dots and stays there indefinately, so have to use emergency shutdown
[22:33] <Bashing-om> hipitihop: To relieve a bit of the anxiety - swap has no file system thus can not run a file system check on it .
[22:33] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, Yuck...
[22:34] <hipitihop> Bashing-om, ok good to know thanks, eliminates that.
[22:34] <texa> la crypto c'est cool
[22:36] <Bashing-om> hipitihop: Anything pop out for system usage from 'top' or 'free' ? anything in the log files ?
[22:37] <hipitihop> Bashing-om, haven't gone to logs yet
[22:41] <Bashing-om> hipitihop: 'other thought . same behaviour when booting an older kernel ?
[22:43] <hipitihop> Bashing-om, it's a thought but it is a little hard to track down the trigger. iow, system boots fine and all seems to work including nautilus etc, then at some yet to be determined time, it goes awol.
[22:43] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, Just something to read: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[22:44] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, And also: http://www.pontikis.net/blog/tweak-ssd-ubuntu-16.04
[22:45] <hipitihop> syslog is a pain to read I get this "[ 1187.153283] input input5: event field not found" every couple of seconds. Haven't bee able to track down the source of that either
[22:46] <hipitihop> YankDownUnder, thanks, looks like some good tips there and I'll go through them, but this machine has been setup this way for years, so nothing new at least in reg to hw/setup
[22:47] <YankDownUnder> hipitihop, And aside from what I just gave you to read - I often will clear out my ~/.cache directory - logging out of the session and doing it from tty1...and (for me) I do a "sudo updatedb" to make sure the "locate database" is a happy camper...and also have tweaked out my /etc/sysctl.conf => but that's me...
[22:51] <phlix> So, I accidentally ran chmod -R 777 /var instead of chmod -R 777 var/
[22:51] <phlix> I have another ubuntu machine. There anyway to mimic the permissions from that machine to what i just messed up?
[22:52] <phlix> There anyway to do something like ls -lhR /var > permissions.txt from my good machine and then use that to update them on my bad machine?
[22:53] <nacc> phlix: they are identical machines? /var may not be identical between them
[22:53] <nacc> phlix: and you did it recursively, so not easy to recreate
[22:54] <hipitihop> YankDownUnder & Bashing-om, thanks for the input. I have a team call now sow will have to come back to this. Hope machine behaves
[22:54] <phlix> Not 100% identical. But pretty damn close.
[22:54] <nacc> phlix: also, i feel like you maybe dropped 'sudo' there, or you did a `sudo -s -H` first, and that's another reason not to a) do things as root without a backup plan and b) not to use recursive commands as root
[22:55] <nacc> phlix: i don't believe there is a trivial command to make directories match. You might be able to do something with rsync, but i'm not sure
[22:55] <phlix> ugh
[22:55] <nacc> phlix: maybe someone else does
[23:00] <stamatis> test
[23:01] <Basho> i rebooted my pc and now after grub when  i get to the login screen my keyboard doesn't work anymore
[23:04] <computeruser> in here
[23:09] <wfpkhc> hello
[23:09] <wfpkhc> anyone around?
[23:09] <blkadder> Nope, just us chickens.
[23:09] <wfpkhc> here chook chook chook :P
[23:10] <wfpkhc> i have a question
[23:10] <wfpkhc> im building a new system
[23:10] <wfpkhc> and assembling a new parts list
[23:10] <YankDownUnder> *bok* *bok*
[23:10] <YankDownUnder> New parts are always good. ;)
[23:10] <chientran> i just swith from 16.04 to 17.04 and everything more better
[23:10] <wfpkhc> google for some reason is starting to give me crap results when searching - and i cannot find any information on ubuntu wiht the "Asus ROG Rampage V Edition 10 X99, Socket 2011-v3, 8 x DIMM, 128GB, DDR4, Wifi, ATX" mobo
[23:11] <wfpkhc> does anyone here use that mobo?
[23:11] <wfpkhc> and if so - what is the compatability like?
[23:11] <wfpkhc> and are there issues?
[23:11] <chientran> in 16.04 all of extension disappear when i boot to system
[23:12] <chientran> now in 17.04 this issues does not exist
[23:12] <blkadder> wfpkhc That's pretty specific. :-)
[23:12] <wfpkhc> well its not like i can be unspecific with the hardware :P
[23:12] <chientran> i redesign a gnome shell theme
[23:12] <chientran> can i post this in here?
[23:13] <blkadder> What I mean is that the chances are that someone that happens to be using that motherboard with ubuntu being on this channel at this particular time is probably rather low.
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> chientran, Might be better to post it on gnome-look.org => that's where most folks go to get their "themes"
[23:13] <wfpkhc> ....if you never ask - you will never know :P
[23:14] <blkadder> wfpkhc True.
[23:14] <chientran> thank :)
[23:14] <wfpkhc> perhaps i have asked the wrong question
[23:14] <wfpkhc> would ubuntu have drivers for all the items on this motherboard?
[23:14] <blkadder> wfpkhc Have you seen this: https://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutASUS/OS/Linux170105.pdf
[23:15] <wfpkhc> no sir
[23:15] <wfpkhc> but im excited to have that link
[23:15] <wfpkhc> now
[23:15] <wfpkhc> :P
[23:15] <Guest11987> exit
[23:15] <Guest11987> quit
[23:15] <wfpkhc> ouch - THERE IS NOT UBUNTU that supports that board :(
[23:15] <wfpkhc> that sucks
[23:15] <wfpkhc> sup Guest11987
[23:16] <blkadder> https://rog.asus.com/forum/tags.php?tag=ubuntu
[23:16] <wfpkhc> for me?
[23:17] <blkadder> wfpkhc Yes.
[23:17] <wfpkhc> thank you sir
[23:18] <wfpkhc> according to the first link you provided - there is no passed version test
[23:18] <wfpkhc> which sucks
[23:18] <blkadder> wfpkhc Well, that document could be old. I have no idea.
[23:18] <blkadder> Since the versions it mentions are.
[23:18] <wfpkhc> its the 5th month of 2017 :P cant be that old :P
[23:19] <wfpkhc> but that link is awesome thank you
[23:19] <blkadder> Is your MB listed?
[23:19] <YankDownUnder> wfpkhc, When I build something for a client - generally I find a board that's about a year old - which means it's got drivers and it's well supported - and ditto with the graphics card (and any other peripherals)...hard drives/SSD's and whatnot are a different story...does that make sense?
[23:19] <wfpkhc> yes sir it is - Rampage V Edition 10
[23:20] <blkadder> Then it sounds like YMMV.
[23:20] <computeruser> wfpkhc if there is kernel support for x99 then there is hope
[23:20] <blkadder> N/A could mean they haven't tested it or something.
[23:20] <computeruser> I would guess that audio might be a problem
[23:21] <computeruser> but it might not be a problem
[23:21] <blkadder> wifi would be the other one.
[23:21] <chientran> if you use newest hardware,you should using the lastest kernel
[23:21] <computeruser> you can use a supported audio card
[23:21] <wfpkhc> yes YankDownUnder - allow the developers to fix the problems - i do exactly the same when windows releases a new OS, i wait at least 12 months (preferrably longer) and wait for the REST OF THE WOLRD to catch up
[23:21] <blkadder> And any sort of fake raid.
[23:21] <computeruser> yeah stuff like that
[23:21] <computeruser> but you have pci for wifi expansions that work
[23:21] <wfpkhc> thank you computeruser - i like hope - it was in an episode 4 movie once
[23:22] <computeruser> as a last resort you can use usb audio and usb wifi
[23:22] <computeruser> pci is more hidden
[23:22] <computeruser> maybe this is a small price to pay for a really cool motherboard
[23:23] <blkadder> Yes the ROG stuff is rather high end
[23:23] <blkadder> Or at least spendy. :-)
[23:24] <computeruser> as an owner of a asus workstation mothoerboard I can say there is a sweet spot for $110 to $170 (USA) motherboards that are almost as good for overclocking as the $500 motherboards
[23:24] <wfpkhc> http://arc.com.au/product/59526
[23:24] <computeruser> I have audio over HDMI and analog audio and digital audio on the 3.5mm
[23:24] <computeruser> ubuntu 17.04
[23:26] <computeruser> a $500 motherboard has better 3 phase power for overclocking but who cares
[23:26] <computeruser> cool windows apps
[23:26]  * wfpkhc hates windows at the moment
[23:26] <wfpkhc> thats why im thinking of migrating
[23:26] <wfpkhc> im on windows 7
[23:26] <wfpkhc> but hate windows 10 privacy
[23:27] <wfpkhc> its not longer MY box - its slowly becoming THEIR box
[23:27] <wfpkhc> which is unacceptable
[23:27] <computeruser> I actually don't like that asus apps crash, I don't like the errors on booting windows that the removable storage I used to install the asus apps a year ago is disconnected
[23:27] <computeruser> it repeats on every boot
[23:27] <computeruser> really shitty apps
[23:28] <blkadder> MB hardware manufacturers are notoriously bad at software
[23:28] <wfpkhc> yes i agree :P
[23:28] <computeruser> they also don't escalate privelidges properly doing install. I have to do all this hand holding to tell windows it is not a virus I downloaded from the internet
[23:28] <blkadder> wfpkhc Have you purchased the MB yet?
[23:28] <wfpkhc> no sir - im just building the parts list - im expecting 3 months lead time
[23:28] <computeruser> AND I have to run as admin.... AND IT STILL FAILS!
[23:29] <blkadder> wfpkhc Do you plan on building a gaming rig? Dual boot or something?
 its not longer MY box - its slowly becoming THEIR box
[23:29] <computeruser> blame mpaa riaa etc..
[23:29] <nacc> computeruser: please try to stay ontopic :)
[23:29] <wfpkhc> gaming rig as the base (high end) but using it as a development platform, i do not believe in dual booting when mobile racks are a billion times better.
[23:29] <computeruser> phones tvs tablets everything
[23:30] <computeruser> nacc heard that
[23:30] <blkadder> wfpkhc That seems a rather odd choice.
[23:30] <blkadder> Do you plan on overclocking the hell out of it?
[23:30] <wfpkhc> computeruser, dont blame mpaa - blame peoples laziness to not learn an operating system that doesnt have your explicit control
[23:31] <wfpkhc> do be honest -  i have never believed in overclocking because it halfs the life of the hardware with very little ROI
[23:31] <blkadder> wfpkhc Well in extreme cases perhaps.
[23:32] <wfpkhc> i was always taught that overclocked ram/cpu halfs the life of the peripheral, and with my "once every blue moon budget" i must make it last as long as possible
[23:32] <blkadder> It is more about temperature.
[23:32] <wfpkhc> k
[23:32] <blkadder> If you run things too hot.
[23:32] <wfpkhc> well that is new to me sir
[23:33] <blkadder> Overclocking generates a lot of heat.
[23:33] <wfpkhc> k
[23:33] <blkadder> And that heat is what tends to kill things.
[23:33] <wfpkhc> k
[23:33] <wfpkhc> i have a bad habit though of not trusting "liquid cooling"
[23:33] <blkadder> I went full liquid cooling with my current main rig. It's all self-contained.
[23:34] <blkadder> Plug and play.
[23:34] <wfpkhc> but have always dreamed of a mineral oil pc :P
[23:34] <nacc> all of this is offtopic :)
[23:34] <nacc> just a gentle reminder, please
[23:34]  * wfpkhc sits quietly
[23:35] <blkadder> nacc Well, he's talking about what to buy to run ubuntu.
[23:35] <blkadder> Personally I am not sure I'd pick a very expensive gaming MB to do so on. :-)
[23:35] <nacc> blkadder: yes, that part is fine, sort of (not really the point of the channel) -- but the disucssion of the merits of liquid cooling is not
[23:35] <blkadder> Unless he was want to OC it.
[23:36] <blkadder> s/want/wanting/
[23:36] <wfpkhc> well if you say it doesnt half the life then its considerable - but i always thought it to be difficult - i mean  having a mobo with 3333 ram would be great for video editing
[23:36] <wfpkhc> (hope that isnt off topic too much)
[23:38] <wfpkhc> thank you guys i must get back to work
[23:39] <wfpkhc> all the best and appreciate the intput
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