[14:47] <mrpl> do people tend to use ubuntu-studio live on a flash drive with a 4Gb persistent file ?
[14:51] <OvenWerks> mrpl: I have not had the create_a_bootable_USBdrive thing work for me for a few releases now. I don't think it is even shipped anymore.
[14:52] <mrpl> Ok, well I creted it in the linux mint 17.1 xfce that I use on my desktop...
[14:55] <mrpl> Its just I have an 8gb ubuntustudio partition and a 22 gb ext4 second partition for storage....I guess that could work storing files in the ext4 partition given the 4Gb max in the first partition...
[14:56] <mrpl> I used to delete the 4gb casoer-rw and use that as the label for the 2nd partition and  the OS would automatically store /home files there....
[14:58] <mrpl> but I have been having trouble getting the casper-rw label on the second partition to....induce the live system to store its stuff there...
[15:00] <mrpl> But...hey I've got my live flash drive all setup like I like...desktop-wise and it is persistent...so....all is well
[15:00] <mrpl> and I have 20 plus gb storage built in as well as all kinds of room on the laptop hdd....
[15:02] <OvenWerks> You have done better than I have then :)
[15:02] <mrpl> Now I just have to figure out hoe to set up my old Tascam Porta Studio as my "audio interface" !!
[15:03] <mrpl> I enjoy making live usb sticks to show my Mac friends
[15:03] <OvenWerks> It can't be that old... the porta-studio I remember used a cassete
[15:03] <mrpl> yep..thats the one
[15:04] <mrpl> 244 I think
[15:04] <mrpl> Havent touched it in 1o years so...it has some dust
[15:05] <mrpl> Tascam 244 .....
[15:06] <OvenWerks> The one I remeber was built in the 1980s (early 80s) before USB.
[15:06] <mrpl> That is the one I have....the one springstein did Nebraska on...I believe
[15:06] <OvenWerks> I had a Yamaha version... but less partable.
[15:07] <mrpl> My friend had one way back then...and I bought mine used in '93 for $100
[15:07] <OvenWerks> 6 channel mixer into 4 tracks on tape.
[15:08] <mrpl> yes....boncing tracks...
[15:08] <mrpl> bounce...
[15:08] <mrpl> I had fun on that :)
[15:09] <OvenWerks> I went from there to a Fostex r8 (1/4 inch open reel 8 tracks)
[15:10] <mrpl> big reels ?
[15:10] <mrpl> like 6 or 8" ?
[15:10] <OvenWerks> 7 inch
[15:11] <mrpl> Nice....
[15:11] <OvenWerks> big is 15inch :)
[15:11] <mrpl> 7" is big when you are set up in your clothes closet...hehe
[15:11] <OvenWerks> digital to hard disk is much better.
[15:12] <OvenWerks> I think I can record better quality audio on my pi these days
[15:12] <mrpl> pi is getting a lot of attention huh?
[15:13] <mrpl> lots of development for pi apps and stuff...
[15:13] <OvenWerks> It is kind of limiting for some things.
[15:14] <OvenWerks> There is a control app I want to run on it... I have to fool it to get it to install
[15:14] <OvenWerks> it is an armv7 package but the pi calls itself an armhf
[15:15] <OvenWerks> Once installed it works fine.
[15:16] <mrpl> Do you use the pi for recording and playback at all?
[15:16] <OvenWerks> no
[15:16] <OvenWerks> I got it to make a control surface
[15:16] <mrpl> media
[15:17] <mrpl> control surface...hmmm
[15:17] <mrpl> what is a control surface for ?
[15:18] <OvenWerks> I do dev work on Ardour in particular the remote control code.
[15:18] <mrpl> Very good !
[15:19] <OvenWerks> A control surface gives faders and buttons (physical ones even) to operate the mixer
[15:19] <mrpl> So...while playing or while mixing ?
[15:19] <OvenWerks> The most common control surface out there would be the Mackie control.
[15:20] <mrpl> Mackie....
[15:20] <OvenWerks> http://mackie.com/products/mcu-pro-and-xt-pro
[15:21] <OvenWerks> The mackie is a MIDI controller which Ardour already supports. I have been working OSC control.
[15:22] <mrpl> did Mackie used to be standalone or is it also standalone ?
[15:22] <OvenWerks> Most of the stuff out there for OSC is "glass" like a phone or tablet
[15:22] <OvenWerks> What do you mean by standalone?
[15:23] <OvenWerks> They made analog mixers before they made controllers.
[15:23] <mrpl> like it works on its own and is not tied to other softeware in order to work...
[15:23] <OvenWerks> They now make mixers with a computer interface
[15:23] <OvenWerks> I do not know if they make recorders.
[15:24] <OvenWerks> It doesn't look like it
[15:25] <mrpl> Does ardour need an OS in order to operate ?
[15:25] <cfhowlett> mrpl, yes
[15:25] <OvenWerks> yes, it runs on Linux (where it is developed), MacOS and windows.
[15:26] <mrpl> Could ardour be...the OS ?
[15:26] <OvenWerks> mrpl: it would be possible to use Ardour to replace the window manager... but it would require some knowledgable set up to make it work.
[15:26] <cfhowlett> no.  ardour is not an OS and doesn't perform OS functions.
[15:27] <OvenWerks> right it would need at least some OS underneath
[15:27] <mrpl> I have only opened ardour and looked at it....sorry...I have zero knowledge
[15:28] <OvenWerks> Harrison does that on their MPC consoles
[15:29] <mrpl> Do you guys talk with the AVLinux developer ?
[15:29] <mrpl> Glen McArtheu ?
[15:29] <OvenWerks> http://harrisonconsoles.com/site/mpc5.html These things use ardour under the hood for recording.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> I haven't seen him in here, but have talked with him in #ardour or on the linux audio users mailing list
[15:30] <mrpl> Bem me up scotty !
[15:30] <mrpl> Coll....
[15:30] <mrpl> Cool....
[15:30] <mrpl> re the console....
[15:31] <OvenWerks> They have a rack of computers for just one console.
[15:31] <mrpl> They havent pi-ified ?
[15:32] <OvenWerks> There is one or more computers that just take care of control and then a stack of them for channel DSP. as well as one for  recording.
[15:32] <OvenWerks> No, the computers are server models.
[15:32] <mrpl> I thought "racks-of-computer" was the old days
[15:32] <OvenWerks> They do their DSP at 64bit level.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> Still do that today.
[15:34] <mrpl> If thats what has to be done...I just thought that the modern computer as we know it could handle large multi-tasks...
[15:35] <OvenWerks> mrpl: it has to be "real time"
[15:35] <OvenWerks> it has to be low latency.
[15:36] <mrpl> ok....but rt kernels and low latency are all that is discussed in the linux music world....
[15:36] <OvenWerks> not really, but a lot yes... probably more than needed.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> for recording, low latency is not really needed so long as one can do analog monitoring.
[15:37] <mrpl> It hasnt been that long that a rt kernel was asynaptics button away...
[15:38] <mrpl> I didnt know that....
[15:38] <OvenWerks> There is not a RT kernel in the ubuntu repos right now, just a low latency kernel.
[15:38] <mrpl> I think....developers roll their own....
[15:39] <OvenWerks>  The mainline kernel includes a lot of the RT code anyway, there is just a small bit left that makes for hard RT.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> Ya, some people do, but I have been quite happy with lowlatency. I can get down to less tha 1ms with it... if I stop cron :)
[15:40] <OvenWerks> anything less than 10ms is fine.
[15:40] <mrpl> And only you can tell the difference huh?....
[15:40] <mrpl> Especially with your own work...
[15:40] <OvenWerks> it has to be close to 20ms before I can really tell
[15:41] <OvenWerks> When recording the DAW aligns the tracks so that latency doesn't matter
[15:41] <OvenWerks> The finished product can be "sample perfect"
[15:41] <mrpl> I hope to find out once I get my Tascam interface configured hehe
[15:42] <mrpl> I need to figure out Tascam out to computer in....plugs
[15:44] <mrpl> err jacks
[15:45] <mrpl> rca to 1/8"
[15:45] <OvenWerks> Using internal audio then (aux in)
[15:45] <OvenWerks> right.
[15:45] <mrpl> but stereo ?
[15:46] <OvenWerks> The big thing to remember is make sure you turn "boost" or "mic boost" off
[15:46] <OvenWerks> Ya that can be stereo
[15:46] <OvenWerks> 1/8 tip ring and sleeve
[15:46] <mrpl> I have a left and right but only one input
[15:46] <OvenWerks> tip is left, ring is right and sleeve is ground
[15:47] <mrpl> like a stereo 1/8 "
[15:47] <OvenWerks> right.
[15:47] <mrpl> with the split shank...
[15:47] <mrpl> er wutever you call it
[15:47] <OvenWerks> :)  TRS
[15:47] <OvenWerks> (tip, right and sleeve)
[15:47] <OvenWerks> s/right/ring/
[15:48] <mrpl> so the computer input sleeve....is prepared to accept stereo then ?
[15:48] <OvenWerks> The computer aux in should be able to accept stereo.
[15:48] <mrpl> even on my 8 year old Compaq Presario
[15:48] <mrpl> k...great
[15:48] <OvenWerks> The computer mic input may well be mono.
[15:49] <mrpl> I will be Teacing my mike
[15:49] <OvenWerks> The computer mic input may be input, 5v and ground
[15:50] <OvenWerks> Using an external mic preamp is always a good step, computer preamps tend to be noisy
[15:50] <mrpl> the mike will be plugged in to Tascam I believe
[15:50] <OvenWerks> right
[15:50] <mrpl> everything will
[15:51] <mrpl> Gotta go get the adapters....
[15:52] <mrpl> 2 rca to 1 stereo 1/8" jack...
[15:52] <mrpl> like a Y
[15:54] <mrpl> Thanks OvenWerks...gotta run !
[15:56] <OvenWerks> Ok  by now.
[18:59] <studio-user593> Hi Everybody
[19:00] <studio-user593> Did someone make ableton work on ubuntu studio ?
[19:02] <studio-user593> no one... ,
[19:03] <studio-user593> OK