=== maclin1 is now known as maclin === maclin1 is now known as maclin === maclin1 is now known as maclin [16:00] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:01] o/ [16:01] o/ [16:01] o/ [16:02] o/ [16:03] ok I pinged a few more and know of afew others that they won't be avilable, lets start [16:03] #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team [16:03] Meeting started Tue May 9 16:03:27 2017 UTC. The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:03] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: [16:03] #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:03] There were plenty of actions, but also I know some of them resovled - so lets go one by one [16:04] ACTION: rbasak, powersj, cpaelzer to draft mysql triage response page like nginx has (carried over) [16:04] Still pending :-( [16:04] wrong [16:04] I added a description of the way we tag mysql bugs as triage if they are suitable for a central dup bug or to steal replies from. [16:04] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/mysql [16:04] #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bugs?&field.tag=triage [16:04] Oh. Thanks! [16:04] That covers the most common cases and we can easily add more. [16:04] I updated the wiki for that, the remaining action would be for rbasak to update who maintains the package. [16:04] rbasak: you are doing that with Lars and more? - it would be nice if you could update this section. [16:04] The site became a bit "light" now that we actually do it via launchpad tags, but it seemed to make more sense. [16:04] rbasak: are you ok to take that remainign update as action with you? [16:04] cpaelzer++ [16:04] only your part rbasak :-) [16:04] My todo entry for that is below the fold now :-/ [16:04] honestly I just wasn't sure I'd get the oracle role in this right, so I'd ask you to take that [16:04] Sure [16:05] everything else will be in the tags unless we want another solution [16:05] and the wiki plinks [16:05] #action: rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page [16:05] ACTION: : rbasak to add maintainership info to mysql triage page [16:05] ack [16:05] ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot [16:05] ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot [16:06] cpaelzer: both continue [16:06] I see useful new content [16:06] ok, continuing [16:06] #action nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot [16:06] ACTION: nacc to write a release notes entry on ipv6 netboot [16:06] #action nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot [16:06] ACTION: nacc to write a server guide entry on ipv6 netboot [16:06] the next pair is for rharper on cloud-init [16:06] ACTION: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:06] ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:06] * rharper hangs head [16:06] continue? [16:06] well, we did publish the docs [16:07] but I've not referred to them in the guides [16:07] * rharper fetches link [16:07] nore the release notes? [16:07] http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html [16:07] \o/ [16:07] cpaelzer: correct, we should link to that in guide and notes [16:07] s/we/rharper [16:07] so, yes, carry [16:07] yeah, I'll continue your action then and info on this [16:07] that looks like technical content [16:07] ack [16:08] dpb1: yeah, did that before we were told to [16:08] rharper++ [16:08] #info mysql triaging now assisted by most common bugs being tagged, see links for details [16:08] sweet, I was hoping for a gold star [16:08] gold stars for all! [16:08] #info ipv6 info available for cloud-init [16:08] #link http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html [16:08] #action: rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:08] ACTION: : rharper to write a server guide entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:08] #action rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:08] ACTION: rharper to write a release notes entry on v2 yaml support in cloud-init [16:09] the last action was ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) [16:09] I synced with him as he can not attend [16:09] pasting from that now [16:09] cpaelzer: well i won't be able to be at the meeting tomorrow [...] make a note on the action item for me re: nginx release notes to push it to the next meeting for a status checkin [16:09] i've got the bulletpoints on a notepad document, i've not gotten much further [16:09] teward: thanks for keeping us updated, notes in the meeting and keeping the action for now [16:09] #action teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) [16:09] ACTION: teward to add release notes blurb for nginx (1.10.x -> 1.12.x) [16:09] that gets us to current dev [16:09] #topic Artful Development === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Artful Development [16:09] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule [16:10] #subtopic blueprints [16:10] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-aa-server-core [16:10] I saw nacc and myself check a few of the merges already [16:10] more to come the next weeks for sure [16:10] lvm2 just went through as well [16:10] thanks nacc [16:10] your pace on this makes me proud and wishing there wouldn't be that much libvirt/qemu things up in the air atm [16:11] nacc for merge president [16:11] nacc++ [16:11] #info merges going well so far and which is good given how early in the cycle we still are [16:11] #subtopic Release Bugs [16:11] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server [16:11] I've mostly seen 17.04 issues recently which is natural after the release and people using it now [16:11] i think my m.u.c list is pretty short now, so i can pick up others next week [16:12] yep [16:12] anyone seen 17.10 things that are worth to share? [16:12] would this be the place to bring up that samba bug I've worked on? [16:12] SRU comes later [16:12] it's for artful first [16:12] and if you miss it there there is open discussion as a catch all [16:12] then pelase shoot [16:13] this isn't so strict on where [16:13] I have this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/323767 [16:13] as long as people provide good input [16:13] and I outline 3 options at the bottom [16:13] ahasenack: yeah i need to take a look at it [16:13] ahasenack: as i did the last bit of samba [16:13] but if you want to own samba! please do ) [16:13] :) [16:13] oO [16:13] let me just paste the 3 options here quickly (3 lines) [16:13] a) upload to artful, exercise there, and do the same for the zesty SRU [16:13] b) upload to artful, but for the zesty SRU, remove the fix-1584485.patch until we are happy artful's samba is fine. [16:13] c) remove patch from artful and zesty until patch author can chime in [16:14] current status is that pam_winbind is broken on zesty+ [16:14] ahasenack: this is the static linking thing, right? [16:14] yes [16:14] ahasenack: could you ontline in one sentence what the original patch was for? [16:14] so everybody knows without reading through all of the bug [16:15] static linking some samba libs into pam_winbind and nss_winbind so that on package upgrades we didn't get into a situation where the running processes would dlopen new/old libraries and crash [16:15] #link https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/323767 [16:15] ahasenack: i would prefer a), i think, it matches what i'd expect we'd do (fix dev release and then SRU fix back) [16:15] nacc: ok, that's what the MP is doing [16:15] ahasenack: ack, i will try and get feedback to you today [16:15] #info discussion on how to preceed on an issue with sambas libraries (regression-update) [16:16] thanks, my concern is leaving zesty with a broken pam_winbind for too long [16:16] since this was a regression [16:16] s/since/specially/ [16:17] ahasenack: once you encounter a stall on the process with a) you can emergency fix it in zesty [16:17] I wouldn't call it a stall just yet, but thanks :) [16:18] ok thanks ahasenack for working on this, anything else before I leave current development release? [16:18] not from me [16:18] php transition is done, we're at 7.1 now [16:18] php7.0 has been removed [16:18] tomcat8 transition may have to wait for a bit, as upstreams are not yet compatbile [16:19] upstreams not compatible means you can't start pushing in the new one while the old one is around? [16:19] is upstream working on this - so we know this will resolve? [16:20] #info php7.1 transition complete in artful release [16:20] nacc: ^^ ? [16:21] do we expect this to resolve upstream and pull then? [16:21] cpaelzer: yeah there is a bug open and just waiting on upstream to change their code [16:21] ok, great [16:21] #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (slashd) [16:21] cpaelzer: if we migrate tomcat8 to 8.5, dogtag-pki and tomcatjss will immediately break again [16:21] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server [16:21] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server [16:21] I know slashd is on a sprint, so we give him a 60 sec timeout to appear ... [16:22] #info tomcat8->8.5 transition stalled by upstream issue (versions are not compatible) [16:22] [16:22] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj) [16:22] #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/ [16:22] powersj is out atm [16:23] from his info mail an info [16:23] #info All Artful server ISO tests are now running [16:23] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee) [16:24] I pinged smb when the meeting started and he was around today, but didn't join yet [16:24] there might be a kernel breaking somewhere else [16:24] :) [16:24] and it is too early to start our #1 question being "what will the next kernel version be" [16:24] anyone else soemthing for the kernel section of the log? [16:25] going on ... [16:25] #topic Upcoming Call For Papers === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Upcoming Call For Papers [16:25] #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/ [16:25] Linux Plumbers Conference Deadline is closing in [16:26] nothing else on my personal radar that touches us [16:26] #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:27] there will be a mini-sprint the rest of the week to make some of our libvirt delta upstreamable to debian/libvirt-upstrem [16:27] to ease maintenance later on and let everyone benefit [16:27] nice [16:27] any sem-public events out there that people might care? [16:27] semi [16:27] ok, that is a no [16:27] #topic Open Discussion === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Open Discussion [16:27] I have something here [16:28] this is a wall of text, sorry, but there was already so much progress [16:28] #info Discussion on updating the serverguide as a "bug fix" [16:28] #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2017-May/020429.html [16:28] There is a mail thread about the discussion I kicked off, but the TL;DR is nicely in a quote of Doug Smythies [16:28] "Procedure: For the 16.04 Ubuntu Serverguide, just tell me when you want an update publication done and I'll do it, after say about a 2 week string freeze and translation catch up window**. For the 14.04 Serverguide, it would have to be an important update, as typically, and only speaking for myself, I don't bother with the older LTS versions." [16:28] I also saw andreas already started with a doc MP [16:28] #link https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/serverguide/use-sasl-external-for-config-changes-973981/+merge/323786 [16:28] And a few minutes ago I saw the MP was merged [16:28] so perfect case to encourage everyone [16:29] we felt that those won't be updated, but the feeling was wrong [16:29] So for the issue we had other than fixing in the package if we can, for the guide update add a bug task and provide a branch. [16:29] Starter info for the guide is here: [16:29] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide [16:29] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/BuildingDocumentation [16:29] #info feel more free before to do serverguide changes when applicable as a "bug fix". [16:29] Any further thing to add? [16:30] giving a few extra sec as this was a lot of text ... [16:30] :) [16:30] Also on the thread, we were asked to also provide some doc contribution to kernel uninstall handling [16:30] #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1031091 [16:30] Launchpad bug 1031091 in Ubuntu Server Guide trunk "Serverguide Automatic Updates contains inconsistencies and / or errors" [High,Triaged] [16:30] #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1647790 [16:31] Would anyone be willing to action himself to take a look at these as well? [16:31] Launchpad bug 1647790 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Choosing "No automatic updates" has no effect" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:31] I'd like to look [16:31] great [16:32] #action: dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team [16:32] ACTION: : dpb to look into a few open issues around automatic updates that were pointed out by the doc team [16:32] anything else before I close? [16:32] nacc: you'll be the next chair - is next week ok for you? [16:32] #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ubuntu-server-team Meeting | Current topic: Announce next meeting date, time and chair [16:32] cpaelzer: yep [16:33] #info next week meeting at the same day/time, charing will be nacc [16:33] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:33] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:33] Meeting ended Tue May 9 16:33:45 2017 UTC. [16:33] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-05-09-16.03.moin.txt [16:33] thanks cpaelzer === JanC is now known as Guest59098 === JanC_ is now known as JanC